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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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Brisset is not a good QB, and the defense in that division is not the defense in the AFC South.
Mangler
Toro de España
Not to mention his playoff wins were against Conor Cook, and a then green Josh Allen. I’m just glad all of that bs is over with. Can’t wait to boo the living sh*t out of him and troll him with the 20+ “DeRAPIST” signs me and my coworkers will bring with us to the game against the Browns!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I think major cities nation wide need to form a bond that let's NFL owners they're not calling the shots. Want a new stadium, we'll give you a great tax break and price on the land if the city owns it. The stadium....that's part of your investment to own an NFL franchise. It'd be interesting to see how fast owners would want a new stadium if the cost was coming from their pocket.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
The new stadium part I agree with but when NRG was originally built it made a lot of sense and really still does. Astrodome is basically a condemned building and it was falling apart. NRG lets the rodeo be bigger, things like dirt bike races or monster jam be bigger and even a good place for the biggest high school/college football games. Its why the city picked up the tab and actually own NRG not the McNairs.
They should have charged him last year when the first accusation came out... let him do his 6 games when he was not going to play anyway, then they could charge him again when the rash of accusations came out
banned1976
sleeper mode
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Rams have been back in LA since 2016. You might need to adjust your tin hat a touch. The men running the NFL are too stupid to pull off a conspiracy like you're suggesting.
Watson has only one playoff win. The Texans playoff win vs. the Raiders was with Brock Osweiler at QB.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Did Deshaun Watson dupe NFL into thinking he was accepting responsibility?
Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2022, 8:37 PM EDT
Last Friday, with a settlement of the Deshaun Watson‘s disciplinary case suddenly a possibility, the Browns quarterback for the first time apologized to the women “impacted” by his behavior. Immediately after resolving the situation on
Thursday, Watson issued a statement in which he accepted accountability for his decisions.
Then, he basically said, “Psych!”
Like a criminal defendant who signs a plea agreement before proclaiming he didn’t do it, Watson insisted that he’s innocent during an ill-advised press conference. His agent, David Mulugheta, after deleting a tweet that attacked the ruling of Judge Sue L. Robinson that Watson didn’t appeal, tweeted that Watson has always stated that he is innocent.
That’s not what Judge Robinson found. In the decision that the NFLPA urged the NFL to accept, she found that Watson violated the Personal Conduct Policy in three different ways, by committing four instances of non-violent sexual assault. She found that his behavior was “egregious” and “predatory.” And now, after agreeing to a deal that extended her punishment by five games and added a fine of $5 million, Watson and Mulugheta have retreated to the long-held insistence that Watson didn’t do anything wrong.
The league has not yet responded to an email from PFT posing the simple question of whether Watson’s remarks constitute a violation of the terms of the settlement. Maybe he hasn’t violated the deal yet, but the “I didn’t do it” attitude doesn’t bode well for one specific aspect of the terms of the deal.
As noted by Adam Schefter of ESPN.com, as part of an inherently contradictory stream of tweets and retweets that both carry water for Watson and dump it on his head, “Watson has to comply with [evaluation] and treatment recommendations of a third-party behavioral expert to be reinstated,” and his “reinstatement is contingent upon his compliance with the treatment plan.”
“If he doesn’t comply, his reinstatement could be delayed, plus further discipline,” Schefter says.
The evaluation and treatment should include frank, direct questions for Watson as to whether he truly accepts responsibility for his behavior. Whether he acknowledges that he engaged in non-violent sexual assault. Judge Robinson found that his “categorical denial” wasn’t truthful. She also found that his claim that he never got an erection during a massage was flat-out false, given that multiple massage therapists who vouched for him acknowledged that he became aroused during massages that they provided to him.
That’s why we shouldn’t assume Watson automatically will be back in Week 13 at Houston. If/when the person providing him with evaluation and/or treatment plays the video from today’s press conference and Watson doesn’t have a persuasive explanation for his decision to insist on his innocence, it’s possible that Watson won’t receive the appropriate certification to return and play.
It’s not some small issue. As noted by Schefter, the league viewed Watson’s apology from last Friday as an “important first step.” Today, he took three steps back.
Our guess? If he doesn’t make a clear and unequivocal public statement of responsibility before Week 13, there’s a chance he won’t be playing for the Browns when they visit the Texans.
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Unfortunately, any such statement by an established liar has to be considered a lie. And please don't come back on me for having such a position.............he's the one that has established that strong track record for himself.
Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2022, 8:37 PM EDT
Last Friday, with a settlement of the Deshaun Watson‘s disciplinary case suddenly a possibility, the Browns quarterback for the first time apologized to the women “impacted” by his behavior. Immediately after resolving the situation on
Thursday, Watson issued a statement in which he accepted accountability for his decisions.
Then, he basically said, “Psych!”
Like a criminal defendant who signs a plea agreement before proclaiming he didn’t do it, Watson insisted that he’s innocent during an ill-advised press conference. His agent, David Mulugheta, after deleting a tweet that attacked the ruling of Judge Sue L. Robinson that Watson didn’t appeal, tweeted that Watson has always stated that he is innocent.
That’s not what Judge Robinson found. In the decision that the NFLPA urged the NFL to accept, she found that Watson violated the Personal Conduct Policy in three different ways, by committing four instances of non-violent sexual assault. She found that his behavior was “egregious” and “predatory.” And now, after agreeing to a deal that extended her punishment by five games and added a fine of $5 million, Watson and Mulugheta have retreated to the long-held insistence that Watson didn’t do anything wrong.
The league has not yet responded to an email from PFT posing the simple question of whether Watson’s remarks constitute a violation of the terms of the settlement. Maybe he hasn’t violated the deal yet, but the “I didn’t do it” attitude doesn’t bode well for one specific aspect of the terms of the deal.
As noted by Adam Schefter of ESPN.com, as part of an inherently contradictory stream of tweets and retweets that both carry water for Watson and dump it on his head, “Watson has to comply with [evaluation] and treatment recommendations of a third-party behavioral expert to be reinstated,” and his “reinstatement is contingent upon his compliance with the treatment plan.”
“If he doesn’t comply, his reinstatement could be delayed, plus further discipline,” Schefter says.
The evaluation and treatment should include frank, direct questions for Watson as to whether he truly accepts responsibility for his behavior. Whether he acknowledges that he engaged in non-violent sexual assault. Judge Robinson found that his “categorical denial” wasn’t truthful. She also found that his claim that he never got an erection during a massage was flat-out false, given that multiple massage therapists who vouched for him acknowledged that he became aroused during massages that they provided to him.
That’s why we shouldn’t assume Watson automatically will be back in Week 13 at Houston. If/when the person providing him with evaluation and/or treatment plays the video from today’s press conference and Watson doesn’t have a persuasive explanation for his decision to insist on his innocence, it’s possible that Watson won’t receive the appropriate certification to return and play.
It’s not some small issue. As noted by Schefter, the league viewed Watson’s apology from last Friday as an “important first step.” Today, he took three steps back.
Our guess? If he doesn’t make a clear and unequivocal public statement of responsibility before Week 13, there’s a chance he won’t be playing for the Browns when they visit the Texans.
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Unfortunately, any such statement by an established liar has to be considered a lie. And please don't come back on me for having such a position.............he's the one that has established that strong track record for himself.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
A full-season Deshaun Watson suspension may have been better for the Browns
Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2022, 7:51 PM EDT
It would have been bad for Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson to have been suspended for the full season. It arguably wouldn’t have been quite so bad for the Browns.
If Watson had missed the full season, his contract would have tolled until next year. It would have been a true suspension of his career. He would have gotten the minimum salary for 2023 (something in the range of $1 million), instead of the $46 million he’s due to earn. And he would have been under contract through 2027, not 2026.
The 11-game suspension doesn’t toll his contract. (Some are suggesting that a 12-game suspension would have delayed his contract by a year. Without getting into the specific details, that’s incorrect.) Thus, next year, the Browns will have to pay Watson $46 million, barring a restructuring. And they’ll only have him through 2026, not 2027 — barring an extension.
What will six games with Watson do for the Browns in 2022? Maybe they’ll tread water through a difficult schedule and have a chance to get hot down the stretch. But when he returns in December, it will be nearly 23 months since he last played in a regular-season game.
Whatever the Browns do this year, not having Watson for 11 games will make it harder to get there. But it still counts as the first of five years under his contract. He’ll have only four years left as of 2023.
So, yes, it arguably would have been better for the Browns to not have Watson at all in 2022. Especially if, when he returns, they’re something in the range of 4-7 or worse.
Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2022, 7:51 PM EDT
It would have been bad for Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson to have been suspended for the full season. It arguably wouldn’t have been quite so bad for the Browns.
If Watson had missed the full season, his contract would have tolled until next year. It would have been a true suspension of his career. He would have gotten the minimum salary for 2023 (something in the range of $1 million), instead of the $46 million he’s due to earn. And he would have been under contract through 2027, not 2026.
The 11-game suspension doesn’t toll his contract. (Some are suggesting that a 12-game suspension would have delayed his contract by a year. Without getting into the specific details, that’s incorrect.) Thus, next year, the Browns will have to pay Watson $46 million, barring a restructuring. And they’ll only have him through 2026, not 2027 — barring an extension.
What will six games with Watson do for the Browns in 2022? Maybe they’ll tread water through a difficult schedule and have a chance to get hot down the stretch. But when he returns in December, it will be nearly 23 months since he last played in a regular-season game.
Whatever the Browns do this year, not having Watson for 11 games will make it harder to get there. But it still counts as the first of five years under his contract. He’ll have only four years left as of 2023.
So, yes, it arguably would have been better for the Browns to not have Watson at all in 2022. Especially if, when he returns, they’re something in the range of 4-7 or worse.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
That was an unbelievable true-to-form summary of the true sociopathic behavior that is Watson!!!
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
We could look at the fact that Watson's first game back, being against the Texans, is a gift.
Wonder if there will be confiscation of signs at the gate? Ejections of unruly fans?
Maybe a mass walkout when Watson is introduced? Nah. Fans aren't that mad. Mostly just venting.
I'm sure there will be extra cameras to help identify any fans needing to be ejected.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Yep, people running a multi-billion business and getting tax payers to not only pay for it but be grateful for the chance to do so are stupid. If that is considered stupid then seems to me being stupid is better than being smart.
Pete Rozelle (RIP) set all that up long ago. Maybe the current dumbos have regular seances with Pete? Judging their actions over the past 20 years, I think not.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Hmmmmm….
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Browns schedule
Carolina - L
Jets - W
Steelers - L
Falcons - W
Chargers - L
Patriots - W
Ravens - L
Bengals - L
Dolphins - L
Bills - L
Bucs - L
Texans - L
Bengals - L
Ravens - W
Saints - W
WFT - W
Steelers - W
7 Wins
2- 4 in Division
Carolina - L
Jets - W
Steelers - L
Falcons - W
Chargers - L
Patriots - W
Ravens - L
Bengals - L
Dolphins - L
Bills - L
Bucs - L
Texans - L
Bengals - L
Ravens - W
Saints - W
WFT - W
Steelers - W
7 Wins
2- 4 in Division
I didn't forget it, But looks like Sue did, or she considered it part of the discipline she was handing out
We could look at the fact that Watson's first game back, being against the Texans, is a gift.
Wonder if there will be confiscation of signs at the gate? Ejections of unruly fans?
Maybe a mass walkout when Watson is introduced? Nah. Fans aren't that mad. Mostly just venting.
I'm sure there will be extra cameras to help identify any fans needing to be ejected.
Probably why the NFL handled things the way they did in segments and leaks, they were gauging fan outrage as a measure of punishment.
If people had been more pissed they might have actually done something.
Kinda like they knew what Ray Rice did but only actually punished him when the public saw that video.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I've used "sociopath" to describe Watson. So I thought some of you might be interested in the official psychiatric definition of "sociopath."
[The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorder Fifth Edition (DSM-5)] Antisocial personality disorder [ASPD], sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental disorder in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others.
A subset pattern of antisocial behaviors and attitudes, includes manipulation, deceit, aggression, and a lack of empathy for others.
[The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorder Fifth Edition (DSM-5)] Antisocial personality disorder [ASPD], sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental disorder in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others.
A subset pattern of antisocial behaviors and attitudes, includes manipulation, deceit, aggression, and a lack of empathy for others.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Why Your Team Sucks 2022: Cleveland Browns | Defector
Even though the Browns have always been dogshit, they were at least a team that was fun to imagine being good one day. But now, over the course of a single offseason, they've taken all of that goodwill and thrown it into a burning lake. Has any team gone from so sympathetic to so evil so...
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banned1976
sleeper mode
This is why I can't be mad. It's the outcome I expected from the NFL. I hoped they would have done the right thing, but not once did I really believe there was a chance of an outright ban or indefinite suspension.
Nah, you're good, man. There were some hopes for broken body parts that needed to be removed.
I understand the sentiment. I really do. But it's a bad look for the forum overall.
Even without direct evidence, I have zero doubt that the NFL pulled the odd number of games out of its butt in order to ensure the high ratings of Watson returning to Houston for his first game back. They probably salivate about it, because at the end of the day they give zero effs about anything other than higher revenues.
Yep. Once folks just accept that the NFL is nothing special and is just like Disney, Paramount, etc, and do not expect higher moral standards, the sooner they can just enjoy it for the only thing it is: entertainment.
There is absolutely nothing noble or honorable about pro sports. We buy into the hype that projects such an illusion, but in the end it's only our own delusions that believe it to be true.
Add to that all four NFL north stadiums are outdoor venues and will be directly impacted by winters, I'm looking forward to the reception he receives by opposing defenses and fans.
The Astrodome was built with so many redundant systems that it will outlive most other stadiums. It was the first indoor stadium, so they over-engineered it. We have a forum member that works with the county's engineers (he's IT) and has seen the original plans. The engineers he was with were amazed at how well built it is and the design was made to last 100+ years.
If we're honest about it, there was nothing really wrong with the Astrodome with the exception that it's not shiny and new and wasn't specifically built for a single sport like most modern stadiums these days.
I'm not surprised, and based on my limited knowledge, it's just a matter of time before the sociopathic pervert reveals his true nature again. It's just a matter of time.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I don't remember anyone saying they have a top 10 roster until they actually got it and the qb with the bad shoulder became a problem. That division is a tough division, but Pittsburgh hasn't had good qb play for several years now. Baltimore has issues offensively, but I think they will be a good team as well as Cincy. If Brisset had to play the entire season, I thought that team would win between 7and 9 games. That's pretty much what they did last year with a broken shoulder Mayfield. The way Baker was playing injured, they might have won more games with Keenum imo.. Looking at the 1st 11 games, that has 5 and 6 or 6 and 5 written on it imo.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What year Josh Allen came into the nfl and what year Watson came in? Just asking
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
So a 23 yr old hacker with inside sources broke the story huh? 
I know some posts reported he was not eligible to go on the CEL. However, forget the lawsuits for a minute. The simple fact that he was running around during a pandemic and putting his team at risk should have been enough for the Goodell to seek a suspension last year for violating the personal conduct policy and this year, suspend him again for the allegations. I don't think they leveraged the pandemic situation as part of the personal conduct policy.
I know Goodell works for the owners, but it appears he was passive and did not proactively help the Texans or even the Browns navigate this mess. It seems Watson's team, the NFLPA and NFL were equal partners in his suspension and not an employer/employee dynamic. Maybe I'm missing something, and Goodell's hands were tied by the CBA, but he didn't earn his salary with the way he handled this mess.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Did you not see a broken shoulder Baker win 8 games last year? The AFC north is good, but lets not act like its a gauntlet or something.
This should be required reading.
Agreed God'ell has failed as a leader and human being again.
Not surprised, because once again it's been proven he's ruled by the almighty dollar at the behest of the owners.
The thing I'd say about that is that studying each franchise's histories reveals that the Steelers and Ravens are likely to rebound much quicker than expected. They've both got great coaches and owners, as well as championship pedigree.
The Bengals are up-and-coming with a QB that has a lot of potential, but it remains to be seen if they can build on last year (I have my doubts).
Which brings us to the Browns. I don't care who their QB is, they still gonna' Brown. I see nothing in their history, management, or ownership that leads me to believe they can rise above it. And Watson, as talented as he was the last time we saw him, is only one man, hasn't played pro ball since Dec 2020, and even with his talent, only managed a 4-12 season.
I don't think we will really see the potential of Watson as a Brown until the 2023 season. I mean beyond the career game he'll probably have in game 12 of the 2022 season, of course. lol
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
The only thing you are not fracturing in is time. Time affects a players ability as you.
Those running backs of the browns are a year older. Defense too.
Brisset lost his job to Fitzpatrick with the Dolphins if I remember correctly. That should tell you where he is.
Watson will play, if reinstated, his first NFL game 1 year and 11 months since his last game. That is a long time to be away and not see any real action.
That division has two of the longest tenured NFL coaches. Super bowl winning coaches.
That division has the second best team in the NFL last year.
It is a tough division. One of the toughest if not the toughest in the NFL. AFC West is tougher probably.
I have the Browns only winning 4 games until Watson comes back.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Cant argue with projections. I agree with alot of what you stated. When was the last time Steelers or Ravens were in the championship game? I agree about being a year older, but they do have the 2nd youngest roster in the nfl. Look, when the Texans came to the point of trading Watson, I said then the best roster available were Browns and Saints if he truly wanted a chance to win. That hasn't changed in terms of rosters. They have a couple of holes like any other team, but I think highly of their coach. Some games, they're just gonna zone run teams out the game. Anyway, we will see how it plays out. I thought the Texans pick will be in the middle and the worse pick will be the Texans pick. Caserio just needs to make sure he drafts better than what he had the last 10 years in new england.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I agree with much with what you are saying.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Texian
Hall of Fame
Yeah, that's what I thought and why Watson was tiptoeing around an apology and any admission of guilt.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
The NFL's reaction to Watson and the like has been cynically measured out by PR experts, marketing firms, and focus groups. A company makes political or moral stands solely based on such calculations. Guys like Watson or Roethlisberger make more money for the NFL than their actions drive away fans. People butthurt over the length of the suspension and fine haven't been paying attention.
I will be interested to see how Watson's PR team advises him to go in the future.
I will be interested to see how Watson's PR team advises him to go in the future.
Agreed, except Caserio wasn't the person doing the drafting in Foxboro the last 10 years. Did you like Caserio's last 2 drafts. I did, although there are some things I would have done differently.
Unfortunately you're correct.
How many of this year's draft picks are healthy and practicing?
This week every draft pick practiced minus Metchie.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I even hate to bring this up.......................BUT.....................who are the 2 most influential owners in the NFL???? Kraft and Jones. And whose names would be dragged out and hung out to dry if the team Watson and the NFLPA was faced with a 1 year or greater indefinite suspension???