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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

amazing80 said:
Maybe. Just maybe. There is literally no evidence he did anything wrong. Two grand juries and a female judge who could have throw the book at him with no questions have found no evidence or not enough to say he did something egregious. I’m sure the emotional posters on here will rock me for this post but the reality is a lot of people on here have been wrong the entire way. Guess that’s what happens when you leap to conclusions.
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Agreed and this judgement was based on the evidence that the NFL presented in 4 cases and not all the allegations brought up. What if the evidence was weak in the 4 chosen? This wasn't about criminal activity or 25, 50, 60 allegations or whatever the total was...it was about how the 4 cases contributed to violations of the personal conduct policy. I read he settled more cases this morning, so it looks like those involved except 1 are ready to move on. If the NFL doesn't appeal within the 3 day window, this thread probably should be closed after a week.
 
steelbtexan said:
Why was it a bad deal and what would you consider to be a good deal?
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When players of a paper contract can get fined 85k per day for a holdout even though they don't receive their salary during training camp. They get like 2k a week for training camp. Their post playing injuries are brutal, yet they don't lifetime healthcare.
 
Lucky said:
I'm not in the hearing (just like everyone else here). But I get the feeling from reports that the NFL is taking the wrong tack by arguing Watson's behavior in the massage sessions. Despite the sentiment among many here, that will be a tough call with no physical evidence and no police reports at the time of the incidents. What can't be argued by Watson or the NFLPA is the multiple violations of the NFL COVID policies. Teams lost draft picks for violating these policies. Watson was beyond flagrant in his abuse of these policies. To be honest, the Texans should be punished by the league if they knew Watson was violating COVID policies. I can see a year's suspension alone for breaking COVID protocols numerous times.
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Lucky said:
The case is being heard by a former judge who will likely lean on proven facts. I just think the NFL's case has been risky when Watson had sure fire violations on COViD protocols.
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This was a screwup by the NFL from the beginning. Oh well, time to move on.
 
amazing80 said:
Maybe. Just maybe. There is literally no evidence he did anything wrong. Two grand juries and a female judge who could have throw the book at him with no questions have found no evidence or not enough to say he did something egregious. I’m sure the emotional posters on here will rock me for this post but the reality is a lot of people on here have been wrong the entire way. Guess that’s what happens when you leap to conclusions.
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I don't know if posters were wrong all along, but nobody on this board know what was presented. The GJ did no bill twice and this independent did recommend what she did. Again, when this all jumped off, I said, let the process take care of itself. I guess we will see in the next chapter.
 
It will be interesting to see if Goodell changes the suspension - he will build up a lot of goodwill among NFL owners, fans, sponsors, and much of the media in my opinion if he bumps it to 10+ games although I think he won't do anything. Let's also recall Watson is NBAfying the league by holding out on us for a year and saying "I will never play for you until you trade me" and getting that all guaranteed contract with Browns - NFL owners can't be happy about either as they are losing power against players. I still don't see how ANYONE other than Watson and the Browns benefit by anything other than the hammer coming down on Watson. 6 games is a tapping in a loose nail - come on man! I still contend this is a a HUGE PR nightmare for the NFL - 6 games does NOTHING to alleviate that IMO. 6 games for all this? COME ON!!!
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
There's a reason why many of our kids grow up with their priorities so screwed up. They are taught to look up to figures like Watson..........and sadly too many times follow in his footsteps as they grow into adulthood.
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Anyone growing up idolizing an entertainer/athlete, that's poor parenting. My dad was my hero, not someone hooping or throwing a football or someone on the tv. This ruling has more to do with the system much more than society as a whole.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You're smart. I'll let you figure it out.
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Thanks for the compliment, but I don't have a clue to what you're referring to regarding Judge Robinson. Was she in cahoots with the league, and was chosen to take the fall for the low end suspension?
 
Lucky said:
Which are?
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Josh Gordon - 50 games for drug use.
Calvin Ridley - Season for gambling.
Kareem Hunt - 8 games for at least 2 incidents of violent behavior against both a woman and a man
Desean Watson - 6 games for a repeated behavior of sexual harassment and assault
Ray Rice - 2 games for physical assault on his fiance
 
leebigeztx said:
When players of a paper contract can get fined 85k per day for a holdout even though they don't receive their salary during training camp. They get like 2k a week for training camp. Their post playing injuries are brutal, yet they don't lifetime healthcare.
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Maybe they should show up for their jobs, just like everybody else in America has to do. After all they did sign a binding contract. Although you're right the NFL isn't the real world and contracts don't appear to be worth the paper they're written on.

Agreed about the healthcare after their careers are finished. But I think they need to play in the NFL at least 3 years before receiving those benefits.
 
amazing80 said:
Maybe. Just maybe. There is literally no evidence he did anything wrong. Two grand juries and a female judge who could have throw the book at him with no questions have found no evidence or not enough to say he did something egregious. I’m sure the emotional posters on here will rock me for this post but the reality is a lot of people on here have been wrong the entire way. Guess that’s what happens when you leap to conclusions.
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Hey amazing 80, I will make you a really good deal on some ocean front property.
 
But gotta add was hoping for a very long suspension due to greed of owning their picks. But if the evidence was week, maybe even evidence of extortion from greedy women. Then 6 months may be about right. Like others said we just don’t know the details. And I’m about to stereotype but I would imagine unlicensed hot women flying around to give massages just may not be of high character .


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The Pencil Neck said:
Josh Gordon - 50 games for drug use.
Calvin Ridley - Season for gambling.
Kareem Hunt - 8 games for at least 2 incidents of violent behavior against both a woman and a man
Desean Watson - 6 games for a repeated behavior of sexual harassment and assault
Ray Rice - 2 games for physical assault on his fiance
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Judge Robinson was not involved in any of those non-Watson suspensions. And @CloakNNNdagger knows that.
 
Interesting if six games is the final result. Posters here have insisted for months that Watson was absolutely guilty. Then they said he would absolutely be placed on the Commissioners list. Then they said he would be indicted. Then they said sue Robinson would correct with a lengthy suspension.

Hmmm....
 
leebigeztx said:
Anyone growing up idolizing an entertainer/athlete, that's poor parenting. My dad was my hero, not someone hooping or throwing a football or someone on the tv. This ruling has more to do with the system much more than society as a whole.
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Yes it does,

Is a person who's a sexual predator not only going to get away with his actions, but is he going to get almost fully paid his contract, so that he faces no repressions from his actions?
 
steelbtexan said:
Maybe they should show up for their jobs, just like everybody else in America has to do. After all they did sign a binding contract. Although you're right the NFL isn't the real world and contracts don't appear to be worth the paper they're written on.

Agreed about the healthcare after their careers are finished. But I think they need to play in the NFL at least 3 years before receiving those benefits.
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That goes without saying. You have to at least get vested which happens after 5 years. In general, its difficult for them to get insurance because of preexisting conditions. When the politacl talking heads are talking about this, most people think its because of cancer or diabetes, but it includes asthma and for ex football players everything. My close friends who played are getting hip replacements and knee replacements despite being 50 years old or younger. Those things are very expensive.
In terms of contracts, I mean, if they were getting their full salary during training camp, I could understand, but their getting pennies,but getting overfined. So what we have witnessed is guys will show up and not participate.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Josh Gordon - 50 games for drug use.
Calvin Ridley - Season for gambling.
Kareem Hunt - 8 games for at least 2 incidents of violent behavior against both a woman and a man
Desean Watson - 6 games for a repeated behavior of sexual harassment and assault
Ray Rice - 2 games for physical assault on his fiance
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Didn't Rice get kicked out of the nfl?
 
pirbroke said:
But gotta add was hoping for a very long suspension due to greed of owning their picks. But if the evidence was week, maybe even evidence of extortion from greedy women. Then 6 months may be about right. Like others said we just don’t know the details. And I’m about to stereotype but I would imagine unlicensed hot women flying around to give massages just may not be of high character .


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It's ok now that Robinson has made her ruling, God'ell can lay down the hammer if he chooses too. We will see where the NFL stands against violence against women. Unfortunately I think from past actions we all know where they stand.
 
badboy said:
Interesting if six games is the final result. Posters here have insisted for months that Watson was absolutely guilty. Then they said he would absolutely be placed on the Commissioners list. Then they said he would be indicted. Then they said sue Robinson would correct with a lengthy suspension.
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They are posters. Not Kreskins. Even if some claim to know everything (Including you & me).
 
leebigeztx said:
That goes without saying. You have to at least get vested which happens after 5 years. In general, its difficult for them to get insurance because of preexisting conditions. When the politacl talking heads are talking about this, most people think its because of cancer or diabetes, but it includes asthma and for ex football players everything. My close friends who played are getting hip replacements and knee replacements despite being 50 years old or younger. Those things are very expensive.
In terms of contracts, I mean, if they were getting their full salary during training camp, I could understand, but their getting pennies,but getting overfined. So what we have witnessed is guys will show up and not participate.
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I think they should lower the insurance to 3 years and keep the pension benefits at 5 years.. I don't know if this is feasible.


I will admit the O.J. thing and the pension benefits thingy has me a bit jaded.
 
steelbtexan said:
Is a person who's a sexual predator not only going to get away with his actions, but is he going to get almost fully paid his contract, so that he faces no repressions from his actions?
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This is the NFL. Not the criminal court system. Not the civil court system. This is not the place for justice. If it were, several owners would have lifetime suspensions by now.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Josh Gordon - 50 games for drug use.
Calvin Ridley - Season for gambling.
Kareem Hunt - 8 games for at least 2 incidents of violent behavior against both a woman and a man
Desean Watson - 6 games for a repeated behavior of sexual harassment and assault
Ray Rice - 2 games for physical assault on his fiance
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Are we saying Sue Robinson handed out all these punishments?
 
Florio playing both sides of the fence...........Of course 77.6% not feeling 6 games is an appropriate suspension, the NFL better put in an appeal for the full year.

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Initial public reaction to Deshaun Watson suspension is not positive
Posted by Mike Florio on August 1, 2022, 10:04 AM EDT

In recent weeks, as news surfaced regarding the evidence that was, and wasn’t, introduced in the three-day Deshaun Watson hearing, a sense emerged that Judge Sue L. Robinson wouldn’t come close to suspending Watson for a full year. However, most football fans may not have been paying attention during one of the slowest periods of the year for the NFL.

Most football fans won’t realize that, despite 24 civil cases (23 have settled), the league introduced evidence as to four accusers before Judge Robinson, not 24. Most fans have witnessed the manner in which attorney Tony Buzbee has worked the court of public opinion for more than 16 months. Many fans have decided that Watson deserves a suspension longer than six games.

We’ve posted this question on Twitter. Do you agree with Deshaun Watson being suspended six games? With nearly 20,000 ballots cast in little more than an hour, 77.6 percent say no.

Voting remains open until tomorrow morning. Usually, the numbers don’t change all that much from the first hour.
While there’s a chance that some disagree because they think six games is too much, the pro-Watson crowd generally regards six games as good next.

Public reaction will be a factor in the NFL’s final decision as to whether an appeal should be filed to the Commissioner, and in the Commissioner’s decision on appeal. The league can’t afford to be perceived being as too lenient with players who commit misconduct against women. That lesson was learned via the disaster of the Ray Rice case.

Judge Robinson already has determined that Watson engaged in misconduct. If the voices objecting to a six-game suspension become loud enough, the league will have no choice but to exercise its prerogative to increase it.
 
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