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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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Carr Bombed
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Watson could end up playing football for free.
CloakNNNdagger
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The DA's office and Grand Jury may soon be having to gear up for another round of Deshaun Watson: "What's my Line?" and "Girl's Gone Wild."
Dejaview
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Looking back, thanks be to god for Deshaun Watson declining to play for the Texans and demanding the trade. Had he played by NFL contract rules he would still have been poisoning the Texans and ruining this fun we are now having with our new and future drafts. And it goes without saying what his trade value would be now. Superb job by NC to require teams to interview and investigate him before entering trade negotiations. That was thinking outside the file clerk box.
CloakNNNdagger
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I believe that even in Grand Jury proceedings, the 6th Amendment still applies?[@djohn2oo8]...............the defendant is entitled to know who his accuser is. Certainly, if this is so, Watson and Hardin would already know the name of the last lawsuit's accuser. Hardin admittedly had open communications with the DA's office throughout the Grand Jury proceedings.
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CloakNNNdagger
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Mary Cabot:
Watson spent three days in Houston from May 16-18 with NFL investigators Lisa Friel and Jennifer Gaffney, both former prosecutors, and they grilled him hard but wanted another meeting, Hardin said. They interviewed him again recently for a day, and told Hardin they had what they needed from him. They’ve also talked to 21 of the first 22 accusers, and could be close to handing the case over to disciplinary officer Sue L. Robinson, a former U.S. District Judge.
It’s unknown if they’ll want to talk to Watson again in light of the two new suits, but they’ll likely want to speak with the new plaintiffs.
Watson spent three days in Houston from May 16-18 with NFL investigators Lisa Friel and Jennifer Gaffney, both former prosecutors, and they grilled him hard but wanted another meeting, Hardin said. They interviewed him again recently for a day, and told Hardin they had what they needed from him. They’ve also talked to 21 of the first 22 accusers, and could be close to handing the case over to disciplinary officer Sue L. Robinson, a former U.S. District Judge.
It’s unknown if they’ll want to talk to Watson again in light of the two new suits, but they’ll likely want to speak with the new plaintiffs.
CloakNNNdagger
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mrbigass says:
June 7, 2022 at 9:07 am
When Watson was traded and signed a kazillion dollar contract the thinking seemed to be he’d get a six game suspension. I think that ship has sailed, been torpedoed and sunk…
June 7, 2022 at 9:07 am
When Watson was traded and signed a kazillion dollar contract the thinking seemed to be he’d get a six game suspension. I think that ship has sailed, been torpedoed and sunk…
I believe so. Still looking for confirmation.
CloakNNNdagger
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I really hope this aspect is included as part of the overall consideration for Roger's punishment of Watson, especially considering the lengths the NFL went through for two seasons (and especially the 2020 season) in dealing with pandemic policies.
Prep
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According to Florio this morning, it might be back in play after two more lawsuits and Rusty's happy ending interview. The league is no longer deferring to Roger's comments in March and attitudes appear to have shifted in light of recent events.
If they really want to "protect the shield", then they keep him off the field until all of the lawsuits have been completed.
This would be awesome if it were to happen.
@CloakNNNdagger rut roh
Texansballer74
The Marine
CloakNNNdagger
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Hardin and Watson both can kiss their asses goodbye!!!!!!!!!!! So much tampering by Hardin..............
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How the Texans and a Spa Enabled Deshaun Watson’s Troubling Behavior
Watson met at least 66 women for massages over a 17-month period, far more than previously known. He had help from the Houston Texans, including nondisclosure agreements, in making appointments.
By Jenny Vrentas
June 7, 2022Updated 3:46 p.m. ET
The accusations have been frequent and startling: more than two dozen women have said the football star Deshaun Watson harassed or assaulted them during massage appointments that Watson and his lawyers insist were innocuous.
Two grand juries in Texas this year declined to charge him criminally and, while the N.F.L. considers whether to discipline him, he has gotten another job, signing a five-year, $230 million fully guaranteed contract to play quarterback for the Cleveland Browns this coming season.
It is time, Watson and his representatives say, for everyone to move on.
Yet a New York Times examination of records, including depositions and evidence for the civil lawsuits as well as interviews of some of the women, showed that Watson engaged in more questionable behavior than previously known.
The Times’s review also showed that Watson’s conduct was enabled, knowingly or not, by the team he played for at the time, the Houston Texans, which provided the venue Watson used for some of the appointments. A team representative also furnished him with a nondisclosure agreement after a woman who is now suing him threatened online to expose his behavior.
Rusty Hardin, Watson’s lawyer, said his client “continues to vehemently deny” the allegations in the lawsuits. He declined to respond in detail to The Times’s questions, but said in a statement, “We can say when the real facts are known this issue will appear in a different light.”
The Texans did not respond to specific questions about Watson’s use of team resources. They said in a statement that they first learned of the allegations against him in March 2021, have cooperated with investigators and “will continue to do so.”
Watson has said publicly that he hired about 40 different therapists across his five seasons in Houston, but The Times’s reporting found that he booked appointments with at least 66 different women in just the 17 months from fall 2019 through spring 2021. A few of these additional women, speaking publicly for the first time, described experiences that undercut Watson’s insistence that he was only seeking professional massage therapy.
One woman, who did not sue Watson or complain to the police, told The Times that he was persistent in his requests for sexual acts during their massage, including “begging” her to put her mouth on his penis
“I specifically had to say, ‘No, I can’t do that,’” said the woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity to protect her family’s privacy. “And that’s when I went into asking him, ‘What is it like being famous? Like, what’s going on? You’re about to mess up everything.’”
An Appointment with an Acquaintance
Before Watson was drafted by the Texans 12th overall in 2017, he was a championship-winning quarterback at Gainesville (Ga.) High School and Clemson University.
N.F.L. teams widely viewed him as a prospective franchise quarterback with no known character issues, and he seemed to be living up to his billing. When Hurricane Harvey walloped Houston in August 2017, before Watson’s rookie season, he donated his first game check to stadium cafeteria employees who were affected by the storm.
Since the first wave of suits were filed against Watson last year, the main allegations against him have become familiar. Women complained that Watson turned massages sexual without their consent, including purposely touching them with his penis and coercing sexual acts.
It’s not clear when he began looking for so many different women to give him massages. Hardin has said his client needed to book appointments “ad hoc” when the coronavirus pandemic began, though Watson began working with numerous women before then.
Not all of the women who gave Watson massages between October 2019 and March 2021 have detailed their interactions with him. Some who have shared their experiences say they had no problems with him. Others describe troubling — and similar — behaviors.
The 66 women are:
One woman who sued Watson was a flight attendant who began
taking massage therapy classes during the pandemic. She and Watson were in the same social circle, but Watson acknowledged in a deposition that they had never really spoken except to say hello.
Excerpts From a Deposition
THE REST OF THIS DISGUSTING STORY
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How the Texans and a Spa Enabled Deshaun Watson’s Troubling Behavior
Watson met at least 66 women for massages over a 17-month period, far more than previously known. He had help from the Houston Texans, including nondisclosure agreements, in making appointments.
By Jenny Vrentas
June 7, 2022Updated 3:46 p.m. ET
The accusations have been frequent and startling: more than two dozen women have said the football star Deshaun Watson harassed or assaulted them during massage appointments that Watson and his lawyers insist were innocuous.
Two grand juries in Texas this year declined to charge him criminally and, while the N.F.L. considers whether to discipline him, he has gotten another job, signing a five-year, $230 million fully guaranteed contract to play quarterback for the Cleveland Browns this coming season.
It is time, Watson and his representatives say, for everyone to move on.
Yet a New York Times examination of records, including depositions and evidence for the civil lawsuits as well as interviews of some of the women, showed that Watson engaged in more questionable behavior than previously known.
The Times’s review also showed that Watson’s conduct was enabled, knowingly or not, by the team he played for at the time, the Houston Texans, which provided the venue Watson used for some of the appointments. A team representative also furnished him with a nondisclosure agreement after a woman who is now suing him threatened online to expose his behavior.
Rusty Hardin, Watson’s lawyer, said his client “continues to vehemently deny” the allegations in the lawsuits. He declined to respond in detail to The Times’s questions, but said in a statement, “We can say when the real facts are known this issue will appear in a different light.”
The Texans did not respond to specific questions about Watson’s use of team resources. They said in a statement that they first learned of the allegations against him in March 2021, have cooperated with investigators and “will continue to do so.”
Watson has said publicly that he hired about 40 different therapists across his five seasons in Houston, but The Times’s reporting found that he booked appointments with at least 66 different women in just the 17 months from fall 2019 through spring 2021. A few of these additional women, speaking publicly for the first time, described experiences that undercut Watson’s insistence that he was only seeking professional massage therapy.
One woman, who did not sue Watson or complain to the police, told The Times that he was persistent in his requests for sexual acts during their massage, including “begging” her to put her mouth on his penis
“I specifically had to say, ‘No, I can’t do that,’” said the woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity to protect her family’s privacy. “And that’s when I went into asking him, ‘What is it like being famous? Like, what’s going on? You’re about to mess up everything.’”
An Appointment with an Acquaintance
Before Watson was drafted by the Texans 12th overall in 2017, he was a championship-winning quarterback at Gainesville (Ga.) High School and Clemson University.
N.F.L. teams widely viewed him as a prospective franchise quarterback with no known character issues, and he seemed to be living up to his billing. When Hurricane Harvey walloped Houston in August 2017, before Watson’s rookie season, he donated his first game check to stadium cafeteria employees who were affected by the storm.
Since the first wave of suits were filed against Watson last year, the main allegations against him have become familiar. Women complained that Watson turned massages sexual without their consent, including purposely touching them with his penis and coercing sexual acts.
It’s not clear when he began looking for so many different women to give him massages. Hardin has said his client needed to book appointments “ad hoc” when the coronavirus pandemic began, though Watson began working with numerous women before then.
Not all of the women who gave Watson massages between October 2019 and March 2021 have detailed their interactions with him. Some who have shared their experiences say they had no problems with him. Others describe troubling — and similar — behaviors.
The 66 women are:
- The 24 who have sued him, including two who filed suits within the last week. In the most recent suit, the woman said Watson masturbated during the massage.
- A woman who sued but then withdrew the complaint because of “privacy and security concerns.”
- Two women who filed criminal complaints against Watson but did not sue him.
- At least 15 therapists who issued statements of support for Watson at the request of his lawyers and gave him massages during that period.
- At least four therapists from Genuine Touch, the massage therapy group contracted with the Texans.
- Five women identified by the plaintiffs’ lawyers during the investigation for their civil suits.
- At least 15 other women whose appointments with Watson were confirmed through interviews and records reviewed by The Times.
One woman who sued Watson was a flight attendant who began
taking massage therapy classes during the pandemic. She and Watson were in the same social circle, but Watson acknowledged in a deposition that they had never really spoken except to say hello.
Excerpts From a Deposition
THE REST OF THIS DISGUSTING STORY
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Texansballer74
The Marine
The Browns have no cover. They got competitive in a bidding war with other teams and were only looking at on-field potential without regarding the real world implications of his situation.
Ultimately, they get what they deserve. Browns fans, on the other hand, not so much. . .unless they're blinder-wearing sycophants that defend his behavior at all costs because "you gotta support your team!".
This part is weird:
"The Times’s review also showed that Watson’s conduct was enabled, knowingly or not, by the team he played for at the time, the Houston Texans, which provided the venue Watson used for some of the appointments. A team representative also furnished him with a nondisclosure agreement after a woman who is now suing him threatened online to expose his behavior."
I do not recall even one shred of evidence that the Texans were complicit in any of this stuff.
As Florio has said, there is a point between 1 and 24 where Watson loses all credibility, especially as the women have provided a united front and not even one has shown the slightest signs of a shakedown.
Also interesting is that we've yet to see even one pro athlete come out and support Watson's habit of hiring this many women over a short period of time by using their own massage histories. Every pro athlete that we've heard from seems to reveal a pattern of finding one or two pro massage therapists and staying loyal because, for them, it's only about getting their bodies ready to compete and not about happy endings. This is the fundamental difference between a focused professional athlete and a rich, horny pervert.
Texansballer74
The Marine
During the deposition Watson testified under oath that the Texans didn’t know what he was doing.
CloakNNNdagger
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Keep in mind that an NDA is not meant to be a license to protect oneself from potentially illicit acts.
CloakNNNdagger
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That was pretty much universally supported by an article I previously posted regarding this subject.
CloakNNNdagger
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Just wondering if the Browns, the League and Hardin will act surprised when the next lawsuits are filed.
CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
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For someone who has no problem traveling over an hour to the A NEW U SPA, and other places.
TheMatrix31
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The notion the Texans are "complicit" is ******* ridiculous and so typical of 2022 sports fans and media. **** them.
Deshaun Watson came in out of nowhere and demanded trades, bitched about "treatment like family", went on social media with vague bullshit, went to Mexico not to be heard of, threw all these bitchfits etc. Then the allegations came and absolutely fucked the Texans.
The same people bitching that the Texans screwed Watson and run a clown franchise this that are now bitching about the Texans "not doing enough" to stop Watson and are even guilty themselves and McNair needs to pay and whatever crap. Miss me with that ****, bruh.
Could you ******* imagine if Texans ownership tried to regulate the behavior of a star black quarterback?
Could you IMAGINE?!
**** Deshaun Watson. This is all his fault. All of it.
Bill O'Brien too. **** him too. Just because.
Deshaun Watson came in out of nowhere and demanded trades, bitched about "treatment like family", went on social media with vague bullshit, went to Mexico not to be heard of, threw all these bitchfits etc. Then the allegations came and absolutely fucked the Texans.
The same people bitching that the Texans screwed Watson and run a clown franchise this that are now bitching about the Texans "not doing enough" to stop Watson and are even guilty themselves and McNair needs to pay and whatever crap. Miss me with that ****, bruh.
Could you ******* imagine if Texans ownership tried to regulate the behavior of a star black quarterback?
Could you IMAGINE?!
**** Deshaun Watson. This is all his fault. All of it.
Bill O'Brien too. **** him too. Just because.
CloakNNNdagger
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The Harris County Grand Jury DA Johnna Stallings and Rusty Hardin meetings extensively before and during the Grand Jury proceedings
mirror the same purpose as this meeting
"How are your grandkids doing!"
mirror the same purpose as this meeting
"How are your grandkids doing!"
TexansBull
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One of the rappers of this song was arrested for choking his x-girlfriend. (Later dropped…)
Not the best song to quote…
Battery charge dropped against Florida rapper Rod Wave
A domestic battery charge against a 23-year-old Florida rapper who goes by the name Rod Wave has has been dropped, according to court documents.
I said when this 1st came out that there would be 50 or so come out. Now Ithink I may have underestimated that number. I'm thinking 100 or more. When I started this thread I was called a hater with an agenda. Not so much now.
CloakNNNdagger
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Watson just doesn't get it...............making light of all the piling up accusations, thumbing his nose as he quotes the rap lyrics "I don't reply"????? Don't worry, soon enough you will be looking to quote the classic rock lyrics " I fought the law........and the law won."
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Lol, the new position for a Browns fan to watch the game on television. And what is that thing with the blue dot?
CloakNNNdagger
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I smell a Texas AG investigation in the near future..............and likely the Feds shortly will be getting the scent of political corruption and discrimination.
What about the other one? It was two GJs in two counties
The other one, the Prosecutor was also the sheriff in Brazoria county I think. No explanation other than he wore too many hats. Whereas, Buzbee states in Harris County the police told him they believed Watson did commit sexual crimes. Not good for Rusty to be meeting with the ADA in his office, or exchanging texts, etc.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Not good for the ADA, I'd say. Rusty is just doing his job the best he can.
Boris
All Pro
Yes, however, it’s a high profile case with a lot of eyes on it. As a defense attorney you don’t want to get caught influencing/persuading an Assistant District Attorney with meetings, text messages, possible deals.