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Nick Caserio - New GM

steelbtexan

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Instead of the quest for being right, maybe the right thing to do is for one to man up and admit that you got this one wrong.
LMAO

Exactly what have I gotten wrong?

We've stooped to the level of talking about saws.

Right now I like what Caserio/Lovie are doing. Does that mean I think the McNair's will ever bring a championship to Kirby? Nope. Why because the McNair's have never operated the way the best teams have.

So if you're saying Caserio/Lovie will never bring a championship to Kirby odds are that you will be correct. The odds of them being able to overcome the McNair's incompetence is slim.
 

steelbtexan

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Outside of Caserio, not much. My comment was not directed at you as much as it was to the person who made the original comment.
Caserio appears to be a good hire.

Now whether Calhoun lets Caserio/Lovie do their jobs is another story. I do like what they've done with the rebuild so far. I also like the fact that they've seemed to concentrate on guys from the bigger schools that are more battle tested from the SEC/Big 12/PAC 12 and alot of these guys have local ties. This is a big change from drafting the Howard's/Scharpings of the world.

I'm waiting to see if next offseason after the books are clear if Calhoun will let Caserio/Lovie spend freely in FA.

Next yrs draft isn't as good as this yrs draft in terms of depth of talent but Caserio/Lovie should still be able to find 4 guys out of that draft. But if they want to contend more quickly they will have to sign atleast 1 top tier FA and a couple of really good next tier FA's. If this class is as good as it can be (Provided Stingley/Metchie are healthy) a really good foundation will have been set. Next yrs if they have the same type of draft they had this yr and Calhoun lets them spend the money the team should be a fringe playoff contender. Adding in the 2024 1sts the team should be a true championship contender in 2025.
 

Texian

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Caserio appears to be a good hire.

Now whether Calhoun lets Caserio/Lovie do their jobs is another story. I do like what they've done with the rebuild so far. I also like the fact that they've seemed to concentrate on guys from the bigger schools that are more battle tested from the SEC/Big 12/PAC 12 and alot of these guys have local ties. This is a big change from drafting the Howard's/Scharpings of the world.

I'm waiting to see if next offseason after the books are clear if Calhoun will let Caserio/Lovie spend freely in FA.

Next yrs draft isn't as good as this yrs draft in terms of depth of talent but Caserio/Lovie should still be able to find 4 guys out of that draft. But if they want to contend more quickly they will have to sign atleast 1 top tier FA and a couple of really good next tier FA's. If this class is as good as it can be (Provided Stingley/Metchie are healthy) a really good foundation will have been set. Next yrs if they have the same type of draft they had this yr and Calhoun lets them spend the money the team should be a fringe playoff contender. Adding in the 2024 1sts the team should be a true championship contender in 2025.
We disagree on Nick. Cal gave Nick a year to do his job and that is why Nick now works for Lovie. It was clearly a case of the Peter Principle of the highest order. That is why Nick is back to being the Admin that he was in NE.

If they only find 4 guys in next year's draft they are not doing their job very well at all. Especially with (2) 1st RD draft picks. I think you're getting ahead of yourself here. The teams in the division are doing as good if not better than Texans. I can see the Texans being cellar dwellers for the next 2 to 3 years before the fans and City of Houston get Cal's attention again, that this is not working. Cal will hire a new friend and start the exact same process all over again. 2025 will look a lot like 2021.
 

steelbtexan

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We disagree on Nick. Cal gave Nick a year to do his job and that is why Nick now works for Lovie. It was clearly a case of the Peter Principle of the highest order. That is why Nick is back to being the Admin that he was in NE.

If they only find 4 guys in next year's draft they are not doing their job very well at all. Especially with (2) 1st RD draft picks. I think you're getting ahead of yourself here. The teams in the division are doing as good if not better than Texans. I can see the Texans being cellar dwellers for the next 2 to 3 years before the fans and City of Houston get Cal's attention again, that this is not working. Cal will hire a new friend and start the exact same process all over again. 2025 will look a lot like 2021.
He gave him a yr that he had to begin to clear up the cap (Which was a 2 yr process) and not having a 1st/2nd rd picks.

I think Caserio is working with Lovie to get the guys he wants for his defense. He's also working with Pep/McDaniels to get their guys on offense.

This is what an org working together looks like and why this was a successful draft. IMHO I know it's been over a decade since the GM/Coaches have worked together, so I get why you may not know what this looks like.

So if things turnout the way you predict then according to you Lovie has failed.
 

Texansballer74

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He gave him a yr that he had to begin to clear up the cap (Which was a 2 yr process) and not having a 1st/2nd rd picks.

I think Caserio is working with Lovie to get the guys he wants for his defense. He's also working with Pep/McDaniels to get their guys on offense.

This is what an org working together looks like and why this was a successful draft. IMHO I know it's been over a decade since the GM/Coaches have worked together, so I get why you may not know what this looks like.

So if things turnout the way you predict then according to you Lovie has failed.
Exactly, but you of all people should know when a person is stuck on their particular agenda. They will not sway or be convinced otherwise. They will never highlight the good points.
 

OptimisticTexan

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We disagree on Nick. Cal gave Nick a year to do his job and that is why Nick now works for Lovie. It was clearly a case of the Peter Principle of the highest order. That is why Nick is back to being the Admin that he was in NE.

If they only find 4 guys in next year's draft they are not doing their job very well at all. Especially with (2) 1st RD draft picks. I think you're getting ahead of yourself here. The teams in the division are doing as good if not better than Texans. I can see the Texans being cellar dwellers for the next 2 to 3 years before the fans and City of Houston get Cal's attention again, that this is not working. Cal will hire a new friend and start the exact same process all over again. 2025 will look a lot like 2021.
Color this picture however you wish……but let us know when Lovie’s at the podium, and notifies the press that it’s with a heavy heart, that (he’s decided) in the best interest of the Texans organization, they are parting ways with Nick Caserio effective immediately. Then he announces, I will be taking over the day to day GM duties while maintaining the HC position. All hail Lovie!!!!

Secondly, Nick Caserio is the Texans GM until otherwise noted by the Texans organization…..not by someone constantly picking kernels of corn or nuts from his teeth after drinking from the wrong bowl.

I absolutely dig the mutual respect between the GM and HC and the whole “being on the same sheet of music” as to how the team approaches this rebuild. Damm it’s refreshing. It was even nicer to see the both of them actually being happy when they got “their” player in Harris. I know one thing…..it sure the hell beat the look in the war room when RS traded up and selected Watson. RS appeared to be the only one in the room happy with his decision…..everyone else just sat there thinking WTF just happened. By the way, I’m not slapping Watson, it was just an observation.
 

steelbtexan

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Exactly, but you of all people should know when a person is stuck on their particular agenda. They will not sway or be convinced otherwise. They will never highlight the good points.
Mine wasn't an agenda it was a belief that you can't win a championship with Derrick as your QB.

Time has emboldened my feelings.
 

Texansballer74

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Mine wasn't an agenda it was a belief that you can't win a championship with Derrick as your QB.

Time has emboldened my feelings.
No sir, you were on that agenda the day we draft the joker. Just like you’re painting this picture that all players coming from Clemson are trashy people. Ole buddy can not stand Caserio, therefore, every move he makes, dude is going to take crap on. I really don’t see why anyone would continue to entertain his continuous negativity on that subject.
 

Texian

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Color this picture however you wish……but let us know when Lovie’s at the podium, and notifies the press that it’s with a heavy heart, that (he’s decided) in the best interest of the Texans organization, they are parting ways with Nick Caserio effective immediately. Then he announces, I will be taking over the day to day GM duties while maintaining the HC position. All hail Lovie!!!!

Secondly, Nick Caserio is the Texans GM until otherwise noted by the Texans organization…..not by someone constantly picking kernels of corn or nuts from his teeth after drinking from the wrong bowl.

I absolutely dig the mutual respect between the GM and HC and the whole “being on the same sheet of music” as to how the team approaches this rebuild. Damm it’s refreshing. It was even nicer to see the both of them actually being happy when they got “their” player in Harris. I know one thing…..it sure the hell beat the look in the war room when RS traded up and selected Watson. RS appeared to be the only one in the room happy with his decision…..everyone else just sat there thinking WTF just happened. By the way, I’m not slapping Watson, it was just an observation.
You do understand that there will be NO HEADPHONES FOR YOU TOO? RIGHT?
 

Texian

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He gave him a yr that he had to begin to clear up the cap (Which was a 2 yr process) and not having a 1st/2nd rd picks.

I think Caserio is working with Lovie to get the guys he wants for his defense. He's also working with Pep/McDaniels to get their guys on offense.

This is what an org working together looks like and why this was a successful draft. IMHO I know it's been over a decade since the GM/Coaches have worked together, so I get why you may not know what this looks like.

So if things turnout the way you predict then according to you Lovie has failed.
There is no doubt that Nick Caserio is a people pleaser and a good administrator. A good GM he's not.

My love affair and In Lovie We Trust, ended when he went Gary Kubiak with his coaches, hiring Family and Friends. And when he turned the draft into a backyard BBQ letting family and friends pick their favorite players. So yes, I'm now expecting we will see the Tampa Bay and Illinois Lovie and the Chicago Lovie, not so much.

Oh, I remember exactly what it looks like. We've already seen this movie. That's exactly why Kubiak recommended to Bob McNair he hire Rick Smith because they worked so well together in Denver. Kumbaya! And this is another wonderful kumbaya working together moment the Kool-Aid Brigade is experiencing. It looks exactly like another recipe for average and ordinary, mediocre extraordinaire.
 

steelbtexan

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There is no doubt that Nick Caserio is a people pleaser and a good administrator. A good GM he's not.

My love affair and In Lovie We Trust, ended when he went Gary Kubiak with his coaches, hiring Family and Friends. And when he turned the draft into a backyard BBQ letting family and friends pick their favorite players. So yes, I'm now expecting we will see the Tampa Bay and Illinois Lovie and the Chicago Lovie, not so much.

Oh, I remember exactly what it looks like. We've already seen this movie. That's exactly why Kubiak recommended to Bob McNair he hire Rick Smith because they worked so well together in Denver. Kumbaya! And this is another wonderful kumbaya working together moment the Kool-Aid Brigade is experiencing. It looks exactly like another recipe for average and ordinary, mediocre extraordinaire.
So which draft picks dont you like?

I really like the 1st 6 guys picked. I think Metchie will be healthy by Late Sept/Early October. I think he beats the odds CnD gave out in relation to the performance after ACL. I'm really worried about Stingley, so far it's not looking good. But it's way early to be making judgements.

I dont care much for the family thing either. Also Caserio took Pep and McDaniels advice in drafting last yr and did pretty well considering he didn't have 1-2 rd picks.

Yep, Kubiak made a bad hire.

The Lovie hire was a Calhoun hire.
 

steelbtexan

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No sir, you were on that agenda the day we draft the joker. Just like you’re painting this picture that all players coming from Clemson are trashy people. Ole buddy can not stand Caserio, therefore, every move he makes, dude is going to take crap on. I really don’t see why anyone would continue to entertain his continuous negativity on that subject.
I'm so glad Caserio didn't pick any players from Clemson. I didn't like Derrick as a QB. If that's an agenda then so be it. You're right they aren't worth the trouble for the most part. There are outliers like Reader/Wilkins/Renfrow etc... But best to stay away from them or if you really like a player from Clemson then just know it's best that you only have 1 on the team or you're asking for trouble.

What was my agenda IYO?
 

Texian

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Just so I can gauge the accuracy of your analysis (as if Blake Bortles, Urban Myer, & Elliot Wolfe weren’t enough) you’re saying the Texans will be… what 3rd worst… Bottom 10 teams?

Not close to .500?

no playoffs through 2025?
Pretty much. Not sure I follow your comments. I have pointed out on many occassions how Bortles would've been a much better option for the Texans. Would've save years of the QB carousel, avoided the Osweiler fiasco and prevented a sexual pervert from becoming the face of the franchise. Urban Meyer was clearly a FUBAR on my part. I don't have that problem of admitting when I am wrong. I still say Eliot Wolfe is much better prepared to be a GM than Caserio is. Now do the part where I have been mostly right since 2010.
 
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thunderkyss

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have pointed out on many occassions how Bortles would've been a much better option for the Texans
in case you haven’t caught on, just because you say it doesn’t make it so.
Would've save years of the QB carousel, avoided the Osweiler fiasco
You underestimate BO’b.
Eliot Wolfe is much better prepared to be a GM than Caserio is.
& you appear to be the only one who believe so.
Now do the part where I have been mostly right since 2010.
I don’t do fiction
 

Texian

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in case you haven’t caught on, just because you say it doesn’t make it so.
What I say had absolutely nothing to do with Texans nightmare at QB for the last decade. And it was a nightmare. Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You underestimate BO’b.
No, I said from the get go, before they hired O'Brien that hiring Bill O'Brien was a huge mistake and it was.
& you appear to be the only one who believe so.
Having common sense is not a gift, it is a punishment. Because you've to deal with everyone that doesn't have it. Eliot Wolf runs circles around Nick Caserio.
I don’t do fiction
I don't either. In 2006 said hiring his buddy Mike Sherman would be a disaster for Texans offense. It was. In 2008 said hiring Alex Gibbs would make Texans #1 or #2 in rushing. He did. In 2009 called for Texans to draft Clay Matthews instead of Brian Cushing. In 2010 I said draft Patrick Willis not Amobi Okoye, In 2011 said hiring Wade Phillips would get Texans to the playoffs. It did. In 2013 said ED Reed signing was a major disaster, it was. Bob McNair trying to buy a championship putting Texans in salary cap hell would have negative future ramifications, it did. Advocated to trade AJ for a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. In 2014 had Aaron Donald as #1 player on my board. McNair cut AJ. Predicted O'Brien would be a terrible hire. He was, never could beat the .500 plus teams. O'Brien is still having ramifications and will likely have repercussion thru 2025. Said at the time in 2014 McNair should've kept Kubiak and told him to go find another QB. In 2016 said at the time Brock Osweiler would be a major FUBAR and it was one of McNair's worst decisions. It was. Predicted Caserio would be another failed Belichick admin. He is. Didn't take long to prove me right again with the David Culley hire. And that's just off the top of my head.
 
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Texansphan

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We disagree on Nick. Cal gave Nick a year to do his job and that is why Nick now works for Lovie. It was clearly a case of the Peter Principle of the highest order. That is why Nick is back to being the Admin that he was in NE.

If they only find 4 guys in next year's draft they are not doing their job very well at all. Especially with (2) 1st RD draft picks. I think you're getting ahead of yourself here. The teams in the division are doing as good if not better than Texans. I can see the Texans being cellar dwellers for the next 2 to 3 years before the fans and City of Houston get Cal's attention again, that this is not working. Cal will hire a new friend and start the exact same process all over again. 2025 will look a lot like 2021.
:rake::toropalm:
 

Double Barrel

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perhaps its the way you present it? Not sure but if you look at the orgs consistently in contention it’s due to good ownership. I can name a few but let’s start in Pittsburgh. The Rooney’s know how to run a winning org.
Remember, though, that the Rooneys have owned the Steelers since 1933. They went 41 years before they won their first playoff game (1933-1974), so even the Rooneys had a steep learning curve before they experienced any sort of success.

Looking at the Rooneys hallmark models of patience and consistency over the decades, they probably would not have fired Gary Kubiak (especially after two great seasons and back-to-back division 'champions') and would have given him the players he needed - MAINLY QB - to succeed.

Instead, the McNairs jumped the gun, caved to public pressure, and then hired Bill O'Brien, a guy that the Rooneys never would have given the reigns to their franchise (much less promote him to GM after a monumental playoff choke).

What concerns me if is the McNairs are even capable of self-evaluation and analysis, and do they even learn from their mistakes? As a fan, I'm not sensing that they ever perceive themselves as the one of the sources of dumbassery that seems to permeate this franchise sometimes.
 

Texian

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Remember, though, that the Rooneys have owned the Steelers since 1933. They went 41 years before they won their first playoff game (1933-1974), so even the Rooneys had a steep learning curve before they experienced any sort of success.

Looking at the Rooneys hallmark models of patience and consistency over the decades, they probably would not have fired Gary Kubiak (especially after two great seasons and back-to-back division 'champions') and would have given him the players he needed - MAINLY QB - to succeed.

Instead, the McNairs jumped the gun, caved to public pressure, and then hired Bill O'Brien, a guy that the Rooneys never would have given the reigns to their franchise (much less promote him to GM after a monumental playoff choke).

What concerns me if is the McNairs are even capable of self-evaluation and analysis, and do they even learn from their mistakes? As a fan, I'm not sensing that they ever perceive themselves as the one of the sources of dumbassery that seems to permeate this franchise sometimes.
I feel as though we swimming in the sewer of dumbassery for the last 4 years.

"Dumbassery" - Love it. :clap::clap::clap:
 

Porky

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Remember, though, that the Rooneys have owned the Steelers since 1933. They went 41 years before they won their first playoff game (1933-1974), so even the Rooneys had a steep learning curve before they experienced any sort of success.

Looking at the Rooneys hallmark models of patience and consistency over the decades, they probably would not have fired Gary Kubiak (especially after two great seasons and back-to-back division 'champions') and would have given him the players he needed - MAINLY QB - to succeed.

Instead, the McNairs jumped the gun, caved to public pressure, and then hired Bill O'Brien, a guy that the Rooneys never would have given the reigns to their franchise (much less promote him to GM after a monumental playoff choke).

What concerns me if is the McNairs are even capable of self-evaluation and analysis, and do they even learn from their mistakes? As a fan, I'm not sensing that they ever perceive themselves as the one of the sources of dumbassery that seems to permeate this franchise sometimes.
it doesn’t strike me that Cal majored in self-awareness. When you’re coddled like a baby by a rich Daddy and never told no and just drift through life with everything handed to you, well what you see is what you get. There is no accountability or even acknowledgement by ownership on just how bad they have been and fans have spent a lot of treasure not to mention emotion on the **** show they have created by their own ignorance and delusions of grandeur.
 

Texian

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There is nothing in Eliot Wolf’s resume that is better then Nick Caserio’s.
Assistant GM doesn't count. And his Dad is a HOF GM and Eliot often went to work with him. SO I take it you don't think Eliot learned anything from his HOF GM Dad? Eliot has been in an NFL draft war room for 30 years. That's a lot longer than Janick Casereby. What is this? Shooting fish in a barrel day?
 

Texian

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With all of Wolf's connections, he must be one of the all time worst when it comes to interviews.
Many thought he was too young. He just turned 40. How is it you can interview well for Director of Football Operations and Assistant GM, but you don't interview well for GM? Spock says your logic is illogical. Give me a break. It is shooting fish in a barrel day.
 

steelbtexan

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Assistant GM doesn't count. And his Dad is a HOF GM and Eliot often went to work with him. SO I take it you don't think Eliot learned anything from his HOF GM Dad? Eliot has been in an NFL draft war room for 30 years. That's a lot longer than Janick Casereby. What is this? Shooting fish in a barrel day?
Then why has he interviewed probably for 10 GM jobs and hasn't landed one?

BTW, I like Wolf, I think he's a good evaluator of talent.
 

steelbtexan

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Many thought he was too young. He just turned 40. How is it you can interview well for Director of Football Operations and Assistant GM, but you don't interview well for GM? Spock says your logic is illogical. Give me a break. It is shooting fish in a barrel day.
Spock says he's interviewed a bunch and hasn't gotten a job yet. There's gotta be reason.

Like shooting for GM jobs in a barrel. Lol
 

steelbtexan

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it doesn’t strike me that Cal majored in self-awareness. When you’re coddled like a baby by a rich Daddy and never told no and just drift through life with everything handed to you, well what you see is what you get. There is no accountability or even acknowledgement by ownership on just how bad they have been and fans have spent a lot of treasure not to mention emotion on the **** show they have created by their own ignorance and delusions of grandeur.
I believe the McNair's are/were in this only for the money.
 

thunderkyss

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And his Dad is a HOF GM and Eliot often went to work with him.
Cal went to work with his dad every day too. & he couldn't hire a GM/Coach following that example.

BO'b primed a cash cow & Cal is having trouble selling season tickets to people who bought the rights to buy season tickets.
 

TexansBull

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Assistant GM doesn't count. And his Dad is a HOF GM and Eliot often went to work with him. SO I take it you don't think Eliot learned anything from his HOF GM Dad? Eliot has been in an NFL draft war room for 30 years. That's a lot longer than Janick Casereby. What is this? Shooting fish in a barrel day?
LMAO -

You just described a Tommy Boy.

And the evidence speaks for itself. All the places he has been Green Bay and Cleveland has passed him up. This round he was interviewed and passed up multiple times.

Being in the room and being part of the room are two different things.

Eliot probably can’t lead men. And his daddy’s past accomplishments can’t get him a job is what all that’s telling you. Any fool could see that.
 

Texian

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LMAO -

You just described a Tommy Boy.

And the evidence speaks for itself. All the places he has been Green Bay and Cleveland has passed him up. This round he was interviewed and passed up multiple times.

Being in the room and being part of the room are two different things.

Eliot probably can’t lead men. And his daddy’s past accomplishments can’t get him a job is what all that’s telling you. Any fool could see that.
Yep FUBAR'ed it and now can't admit you were wrong. Typical Kool-Aid side effects and behavior.
 

TexansBull

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So are the Trolls, back in the pin for you with NO Headphones.


It’s funny what happens when you dispute what a person posts with facts and what they do shortly after. They can’t take what they dish out and like a petulant child they take their toys and run home to there mommy.


Not saying anyone in particular does this, but it is funny when people do this.
 

Texansphan

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Pretty much. Not sure I follow your comments. I have pointed out on many occassions how Bortles would've been a much better option for the Texans. Would've save years of the QB carousel, avoided the Osweiler fiasco and prevented a sexual pervert from becoming the face of the franchise. Urban Meyer was clearly a FUBAR on my part. I don't have that problem of admitting when I am wrong. I still say Eliot Wolfe is much better prepared to be a GM than Caserio is. Now do the part where I have been mostly right since 2010.
THE Blake Bottles drafted by the Jaguars? I see.
As for your "analysis" of NC, you are way off base.
If Mills if no more than a very good back up, then he did a great job getting him @#68.
And we haven't even seen a single game out of this year's class yet, and that doesn't even include the FAs he has already added and may yet add before the dust settles.
You would think he makes Bill O'Brien look like a genius the way you carry on.
Get over it man.
Sheesh.
 

badboy

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THE Blake Bottles drafted by the Jaguars? I see.
As for your "analysis" of NC, you are way off base.
If Mills if no more than a very good back up, then he did a great job getting him @#68.
And we haven't even seen a single game out of this year's class yet, and that doesn't even include the FAs he has already added and may yet add before the dust settles.
You would think he makes Bill O'Brien look like a genius the way you carry on.
Get over it man.
Sheesh.
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pirbroke

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My wife bought me a salute to service Watson jersey for Christmas 2019. I wore it once. Now I know what to do with it!

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Man that is conflicting. Salute to service should be shown upmost respect but the Watson side makes you want to cut it up and use as toilet paper. One side kicks ass and the other fingers ass.


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