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Texian said:
If you had your draft board set up right you would've known that by trading back to #20 that one or more of the following would be available, Linderbaum, Jermaine Johnson, Tyler Smith, Karlaftis, the #1 DT in the draft Wyatt, Devon Lloyd and Cole Strange would've been available AND, AND you would've pick #52 in your pocket. So you didn't want to trade back into the first round because you wanted an overweight, slow, weak OG. OK then, it's a Caserby draft.
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Lovie liked Green and didn't want to lose him. Lovie got his guys. No need to get cute and lose your guys.
 
thunderkyss said:
Four yearsfromnow you're going to travel back in time to today & grade him as the worst OL in this draft?

That's amazing


Demonstrates you don't understand what is being graded today.
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I fully understand and have seen throughout the yrs how bad the pundits have missed the mark.

Bottom line is there is no way to judge this yrs draft today.
 
C+
#3 Why not safe with Sauce? I'd go B just there, but to make it worse: Linsfrac Linsfrac Linsfrac. Hope I'm wrong, but gambling with the #3 pick on linsfrac?

#15 Addressed a huge need, but Green at 15 was a reach. Definitely not BPA pick. I'd go B on this one, but back to linsfrac..

Overall C+ The plus is for not drafting a punter
 
Trail.Blazr said:
C+
#3 Why not safe with Sauce? I'd go B just there, but to make it worse: Linsfrac Linsfrac Linsfrac. Hope I'm wrong, but gambling with the #3 pick on linsfrac?

#15 Addressed a huge need, but Green at 15 was a reach. Definitely not BPA pick. I'd go B on this one, but back to linsfrac..

Overall C+ The plus is for not drafting a punter
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I'm a bit more encouraged since posting in the Stingley thread. Seems we may have 75-80% chance we'll get shut down play for at least two years.
 
Number19 said:
I'm a bit more encouraged since posting in the Stingley thread. Seems we may have 75-80% chance we'll get shut down play for at least two years.
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If that's all we get, which is a very real possibility the pick is an F.

I very much hope not obviously.

At the end of the day even though I was not a fan of how the 1st round played out due to my own personal wants, if the Texans have 2 first day starters that make a 2nd contract and are producing on the field at a level equal to or higher than the slot they were drafted then we will all be happy campers and that's what I am hoping for.
 
Trail.Blazr said:
Vs 95% chance of shutdown corner with a 5 yr option? Again, I’m not encouraged by the unnecessary gamble.
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Well, I've always said the future will take care of itself. I'll concentrate on this coming season. The medical authorities have cleared him for contact so I'll assume he's good to go full speed.
 
Number19 said:
Well, I've always said the future will take care of itself. I'll concentrate on this coming season. The medical authorities have cleared him for contact so I'll assume he's good to go full speed.
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If the Texans are going to be SB contenders, there’s a good probability it will take a few years to get there…A wishful future where in all probability, they will be in need of Stingley’s heir apparent.
 
banned1976 said:
ITunsil is here for a finite time.
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Is he? I know that’s the consensus on this board, but personally I would extend him. If you have one star on a rebuilding team it should either be the QB or the LT in my opinion. He will help whatever young QB we try out and hopefully set the tone on the OL which will help the whole offense.

so I am perfectly fine with making him the highest paid tackle again - even if he is not the best tackle inthe league.
 
I for Incomplete. Draft grades are senseless since nobody knows how the picks will turn out. Worst graded pick ever was Travis Frederick for the Cowboys, and he became the best center in the game before getting a rare disease. Draft grades make idiots out of analysts, why can't people just give honest opinions of picks instead of grading like there is actually any substance for their grades? Lets look at them in 5 years.

I would have taken Sauce and Penning and it wasn't even close for either pick. Hope I am wrong and get an F and Caserio and Lovie get an A in 5 years. Stingley injury aside, no other college DB has been as dominate as Sauce since Woodson and Sanders, not even Peterson COMPLETELY shut down the receivers across from him. Even if completion percentage, yards per catch and TDs double in NFL he is still an all-pro. Pick 15 is just too high to pick a guard that isn't in the league of Quenton Nelson or Zach Martin as a prospect. They were both can't miss prospects with technique ready for day 1. Majority of guards taken in 1st round end up busts. Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper are a couple that come to mind. Better results with 1st round centers and tackles that convert to guards in NFL. Could have had Penning who would start day 1 as a guard due to his play style but has length, feet and athleticism to eventually become LT when Tunsils contract is up or provide a option to deal Tunsil. Hopefully Caserio and Lovie get an A and I will enjoy my **** sandwich. Best of Luck Stingley and Green.
 
gs27 said:
I for Incomplete. Draft grades are senseless since nobody knows how the picks will turn out.
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The man did a job last night. If you were his boss are you happy with what he did last night? The way he did it? Is there anyway you can do his job better? Would you like to pat him on the back?

Are you going to wait 3 years before you offer suggestions, or commendation?

he’s going to do that job again tonight? Is there anything you think you need to tell him before the clock starts?
 
LikeMike said:
Is he? I know that’s the consensus on this board, but personally I would extend him. If you have one star on a rebuilding team it should either be the QB or the LT in my opinion. He will help whatever young QB we try out and hopefully set the tone on the OL which will help the whole offense.

so I am perfectly fine with making him the highest paid tackle again - even if he is not the best tackle inthe league.
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What percentage of the cap are you okay with spending on Tunsil? Keep in mind his run blocking is average:

On plays where the quarterback gets rid of the ball within three seconds of the snap, Tunsil ranks second among tackles in pressure rate allowed. At the same time, he sits right at the 50th percentile in run-blocking grade at his position over the past couple of years. Tunsil’s price tag in his trade to Houston was clearly too high, but his pass-blocking prowess easily makes him a top-10 tackle.https://www.battleredblog.com/2021/5/24/22451077/pro-football-focus-ranks-the-32-best-offensive-tackles

There are reasons the Texans haven't run the ball well in years and Tunsil is one of those reasons. I feel like if you're going to pay a left tackle the most of any tackle in the NFL he should be better than average at run blocking.

I don't know if Icky or Neal are going to have stellar careers. But they were there to be had for five years and may have allowed some leverage in negotiations had Tunsil wanted to demand more than his worth.
 
banned1976 said:
What percentage of the cap are you okay with spending on Tunsil? Keep in mind his run blocking is average:

On plays where the quarterback gets rid of the ball within three seconds of the snap, Tunsil ranks second among tackles in pressure rate allowed. At the same time, he sits right at the 50th percentile in run-blocking grade at his position over the past couple of years. Tunsil’s price tag in his trade to Houston was clearly too high, but his pass-blocking prowess easily makes him a top-10 tackle.https://www.battleredblog.com/2021/5/24/22451077/pro-football-focus-ranks-the-32-best-offensive-tackles

There are reasons the Texans haven't run the ball well in years and Tunsil is one of those reasons. I feel like if you're going to pay a left tackle the most of any tackle in the NFL he should be better than average at run blocking.

I don't know if Icky or Neal are going to have stellar careers. But they were there to be had for five years and may have allowed some leverage in negotiations had Tunsil wanted to demand more than his worth.
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You know I wouldn‘t worry too much about percentage of the cap. We are rebuilding. We don‘t need to sign the FAs to compete right now. We need to assemble a young core and develope them. A LT is the most important piece for that in my opinion.

And yes, his run blocking is underwhelming - and sure, I would like it to be better. And I would like to either pay him less or get somebody else, that can get the job done. The problem is, even average LTs are very hard to come by. That‘s why I would just roll with Tunsil right now. Dont get me wrong, i would have been thrilled with a LT in this years draft that could eventually take his place when we need the cap space - but as it stands I want to keep Tunsil to help develope our QB and OL.
 
I think caserio has read the room perfectly. Took stingley and a cb comes off the board the next pick. Took green and Zion goes off the board the next two picks. It sucks we didn’t get hall but he’s got so many carries in college that I am ok with him wasting away on the jets. Loved the pitre pick and metchie pick with the run on wrs. Really like the Christian pick too; getting a guy like that in the 3rd who has a early second round grade on him is great value.
 
steelbtexan said:
And he played well against top compitetion
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And was the top rated Guard in this draft with flexibility along the line.
Down side is they might shuffle this line around if they are still underperforming.
Best to put him next to Tunsil and solidify the left side.
We should have a reasonable line using the best of the rest for the right side.
Add a specialist RT or RG if there are any good ones left to add some depth.
 
zshawn10 said:
I think caserio has read the room perfectly. Took stingley and a cb comes off the board the next pick. Took green and Zion goes off the board the next two picks. It sucks we didn’t get hall but he’s got so many carries in college that I am ok with him wasting away on the jets. Loved the pitre pick and metchie pick with the run on wrs. Really like the Christian pick too; getting a guy like that in the 3rd who has a early second round grade on him is great value.
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The Texans didn't get better at stopping the run and maybe got slightly better at running the ball, I'm not sure. Caserio gambled with Stingley and Metchie. If those gambles don't pay off, they haven't improved in pass coverage (because remember, they already lost Reid so the Pitre selecton is a wash) or the passing game on offense. He didn't have to do that. He had the draft capital to vastly improve two areas of the game to control the pace. Then next year load up on the skill positions.

But if the strategy is to build from the outside-in, at least pick healthy players/players w/o injury concerns. His decisions seem like, once again, I'm the smartest man in the room. Is that just a New England Patriots thing? Sometimes I feel like the Patriots organization is a narcissism factory. In the end, maybe the only difference between O'Brien and Caserio are the masks they wear in front of the public.

BTW, I don't think you have to be Nostradamus to know that the Jets were going to select Sauce after the Texans took Stingley. They sprinted to the podium with that pick.
 
zshawn10 said:
I think caserio has read the room perfectly. Took stingley and a cb comes off the board the next pick. Took green and Zion goes off the board the next two picks. It sucks we didn’t get hall but he’s got so many carries in college that I am ok with him wasting away on the jets. Loved the pitre pick and metchie pick with the run on wrs. Really like the Christian pick too; getting a guy like that in the 3rd who has a early second round grade on him is great value.
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All of the guys that were drafted can really run and or have great quickness.
 
I had Sauce higher, but Stingley is amazing if healthy. - B+ if no medical issue come OTAs or Mini Camp A+

Green is solid but not flashy. He just gets the job done very well. - A

Pitre is a great player. All motor with enough length and speed to be all over the field. Also capable of getting to the QB on blitz packages. A very hard tackler with great form. Only because I wanted a RB here... - B +

Metchie has ok speed and pro system he has played in. Ok hands but I don't think he was the best slot guy around. My only not a fan pick. -C

Harris, 4.34 40! Sideline to Sideline guy who can tackle, blitz, cover and hit! Rumors of him going in the 1st were around. I see a steal in the 3rd, great player for our system. -A
 
Texansphan said:
And was the top rated Guard in this draft with flexibility along the line.
Down side is they might shuffle this line around if they are still underperforming.
Best to put him next to Tunsil and solidify the left side.
We should have a reasonable line using the best of the rest for the right side.
Add a specialist RT or RG if there are any good ones left to add some depth.
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Salyer at 107 solves alot of problems.
 
Thorn said:
In a draft just chock full of total premium O & D linemen, we had two picks in the 1st round and didn't get a single one of them.
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Well… the Texans did get Green, who was/is considered one of the top interior linemen. But I’ll agree about the DL- I’m disappointed that DL hasn’t been addressed. Winfrey dropping gives me some hope that we still get a value player there, though.
 
Before I give any grade I want to give just a small bit of insight from an employer’s standpoint…because at the end of the day this is an employer seeking after an employee, regardless if it’s a game of talent, or selling a product or service.

I manage a NAPA auto parts store for an owner. I hire the employees, not the owner, because I know what works best with my skill set and the skill sets of those that I surround myself with. It is hard for an owner, who is an outsider so to speak, and who is not working in the environment that he is seeking the employeee for, to know all the subtleties of the personalities and abilities of each person, balanced with those very same traits of another, for them to operate in a smooth orderly fashion. I have to assume that this is in play when Nick and Lovie are choosing a particular individual for each spot. Each determination goes beyond mere talent, but also how each one may work cohesively and smoothly with each and every other personality that may have similar talents, and how they may interact with one another. That being said, we are the outsider, trying to determine which would be the best fit for each spot, without having all the necessary information about how each of those personalities mesh with one another.

I have to take it at face value that those who are in charge of these decisions are faced with this very same scenario and are picking people who they think will work cohesively together to achieve the ultimate goal, a championship.

My grade…an A — for the sheer excitement alone that I am experiencing for the first time in a very long time being a Texans fan. I am optimistic for the first time in quite awhile and that merits an A from me.
 
banned1976 said:
The Texans didn't get better at stopping the run and maybe got slightly better at running the ball, I'm not sure. Caserio gambled with Stingley and Metchie.
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Totally, totally against conventional thinking but it appears the Texans are higher on the current DTs & LBs than the rest of us.

Like the guy theyguys they picked up in FA… the Texans obviously think they’ve done enough
 
Texan Asylum said:
Before I give any grade I want to give just a small bit of insight from an employer’s standpoint…because at the end of the day this is an employer seeking after an employee, regardless if it’s a game of talent, or selling a product or service.

I manage a NAPA auto parts store for an owner. I hire the employees, not the owner, because I know what works best with my skill set and the skill sets of those that I surround myself with. It is hard for an owner, who is an outsider so to speak, and who is not working in the environment that he is seeking the employeee for, to know all the subtleties of the personalities and abilities of each person, balanced with those very same traits of another, for them to operate in a smooth orderly fashion. I have to assume that this is in play when Nick and Lovie are choosing a particular individual for each spot. Each determination goes beyond mere talent, but also how each one may work cohesively and smoothly with each and every other personality that may have similar talents, and how they may interact with one another. That being said, we are the outsider, trying to determine which would be the best fit for each spot, without having all the necessary information about how each of those personalities mesh with one another.

I have to take it at face value that those who are in charge of these decisions are faced with this very same scenario and are picking people who they think will work cohesively together to achieve the ultimate goal, a championship.

My grade…an A — for the sheer excitement alone that I am experiencing for the first time in a very long time being a Texans fan. I am optimistic for the first time in quite awhile and that merits an A from me.
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An addendum to my previous post is that there seems to be some parity, or equality of talent, between all the available options as far as players for positions are concerned. To one person, a particular prospect is a stud, while to another person that same individual is a dud. We have to assume that those who are choosing each particular player for all the available options, know what they are doing in filling those respective positions.

That is all. texanpride
 
The 2nd round on down, this draft is perfectly fine. They got some fine talent to help their rebuild.

The 1st round, when you compare who they could have had to who they do have, it's a disaster that will come back to haunt them.
 
I find it hard to grade this draft - it was a weird one. We haven’t had a real draft in a long time - and before that I feel like I was mostly stoked with the players we got. This time I have a lot of questions about these players.

but I don’t know anything So that’s ok. Last year was horrible because we didn’t have any young guys to follow except Mills. This year we have added a HB, a WR, 2 DBs which will all be fun to watch. I just hope these guys can all get on the field…
 
LikeMike said:
I find it hard to grade this draft - it was a weird one. We haven’t had a real draft in a long time - and before that I feel like I was mostly stoked with the players we got. This time I have a lot of questions about these players.

but I don’t know anything So that’s ok. Last year was horrible because we didn’t have any young guys to follow except Mills. This year we have added a HB, a WR, 2 DBs which will all be fun to watch. I just hope these guys can all get on the field…
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wow, I find every pick last year is worth following because they all flashed...and under tough conditions and in critical positions. If they take the next step this year the 2022 draft will look even better because almost every position will have new meat. NC is doing a good job stocking the shelves with all the food groups.
 
B

What a lot of people keep missing is that this next year is the Mills prove it year. We kept Tunsil, drafted a mean guard, a WR with good upsides and a RB that is a RB. Yes we could have drafted a guy like Neal and certainly he would be an upgrade but he is also a rookie that would have to get use to NFL level play, Texans play book, gel with his fellow linemen and learn how Mills plays. You add Green in, which I think guard was a bigger need than RT or a possible Tunsil replacement, and that’s two guys protecting Mills that are rookies.

If Mills looks like the guy then we can focus on defense, like an edge, next year and maybe a Tunsil replacement as we’ll still have two first round picks. If Mills isn’t then all resources will be going to finding a QB so yeah better we learn this now and try to make Mills as comfortable as possible and give him what weapons we can even if it’s just for one year.

So with that in mind yeah taking a CB at 3 makes a lot of sense. Only reason I don’t like it is which CB they took. Don’t get me wrong Stingley maybe the most talented guy in this draft but that injury history scares me. Yeah he had a good time at the combine but there is a huge difference between running a flat sprint and the stops and turns a great CB has to do. I would have preferred Sauce who, while less talented, I think will have a longer career playing at a high level.
 
Draft grades are silly but… hard not to give it an A when they had 5 picks in top 75.

They gained at least 5 immediate year 1 impact players, 6 if Metchie comes back from his ACL to be the slot target hog. Then throw in the 5ths and 6th if even one of them sticks as quality depth that’s another win.

We can debate who the Texans should have taken, why they should’ve traded up down around etc. but the team stuck to their board throughout the draft and were aggressive to get “their guys”. They got the # 1 CB on their board, #1 IOL, traded up to get their coveted WR shortly before a run on WRs and got their LB. Then in the 4th started a run on RBs by getting their pick or several good ones, then traded up to secure their DT.

I appreciate that they were aggressive to get their guys. The team has now added a lot of productive athletes to the program.
 
I'm not going to issue a final draft grade... Yes I will. C

I feel like when you have a need at every position you should draft BPA throughout the first two or three rounds. I don't feel like they did that. Stingley wasn't even the best corner on the board at 3. Gardner gave up one past last season over 10 yards. And that was a 13 yard gain. He was the best corner...unless you go back to 2019. And I guess that's what the Texans did.
 
No i agree with you. You are rite . They did not draft the best players available n at 13 they shoukd of picked the best playet at that spot. We have no super stars on our team or taken in this draft. Look what the jers did. Best cor er best reciever n best runninhmh back n a top 5 pass rusher. Texa s need to look at what they did n learn how to draft.i do not get how u have 2 top picks in the top 20 n our players we drafted were ranked higher than 20. How do u not get 2 players in the top 20. And in the 2 d or 3rd round i woukd of drafted a top 1 or 2running back. What are we doing. Everything changes but still serms the same
 
banned1976 said:
I'm not going to issue a final draft grade... Yes I will. C

I feel like when you have a need at every position you should draft BPA throughout the first two or three rounds. I don't feel like they did that. Stingley wasn't even the best corner on the board at 3. Gardner gave up one past last season over 10 yards. And that was a 13 yard gain. He was the best corner...unless you go back to 2019. And I guess that's what the Texans did.
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Difference of competition with sauce and stingley
 
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