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All encompassing 2022 draft thoughts thread

I did a sniff around all mock drafts made post the Watson and Devante Adams trades.
There were ten that I found and this is who they had Texans taking with their first pick at #3:-
Kyle Hamilton - 6 votes
Evan Neal - 2 votes
Kayvon Thibodeaux - 1 vote
Ikem Ekwonu. - 1 vote.
I will update the list as more sites update post Watson trade - ther
TheRealJoker said:
That extra pick at 107 seems perfect for a CB like Coby Bryant. He’s the type of glue guy you need on your roster. Will fall in draft due to lack of athleticism relative to higher graded CBs like his teammate Sauce Gardner. But he’s every bit as productive. He fits the mold of a Lovie Smith CB and would be a starter for this team day 1.

Fun thought: If the Texans end up taking Gardner in 1st, they come back and take Bryant in the 4th. Built in chemistry the likes of which we haven’t seen since Kareem and Jo Jo which should ease both rookie’s transitions.
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I have liked Bryant from the get go and had him in my first mock. Good value with either #107 or #108.
There is a plethora of good DBs in this draft and he is one of them
Another guy we must take if he is there at #37 is Trent McDuffie - have had my eye on him for a while too.
 
Number19 said:
Been spending a little time today analyzing possible trade down scenarios for the Texans. There are only seven teams that I would seriously consider: Atlanta (8); Seattle (9); Washington (11); Minnesota (12); Baltimore (14); Philly (15); New Orleans (18).

Of these, Atlanta and Seattle are the strongest possibilities, with Baltimore coming in third.

Atlanta has a need at OT, Edge and S. They've signed a FA edge rusher. I'd want Atlanta's #43 and #74.

Seattle has a need at Edge, CB and OT. They've signed a FA cornerback. I'd want Seattle's #40 and #72.

Baltimore has a need at OT and Edge. They've signed a FA tackle. Dropping down to #14, I'd want Baltimore's #45 and #76 and more, possibly their #2 in 2023.

The top prospects all address these team's needs: Hamilton (S); Hutchinson (Edge); Thibodeaux (Edge); Neal (OT); Ekwonu (OT); Stingley (CB).

If Atlanta or Seattle wants one of these elites, and will pay the piper, I'd jump on it.
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I'm staying put at 3 unlees somebody knocks my socks off with a deal.

But I'm more than willing to talk about trading down from 13. This is where I think the QB's come into play.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm staying put at 3 unlees somebody knocks my socks off with a deal.

But I'm more than willing to talk about trading down from 13. This is where I think the QB's come into play.
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Well, just considering changes to your mock, you're picking Neil at #3. I'd take Green a little further down the board. Otherwise your mock is unchanged, except for the extra two and extra three I'd get in the trade down.
 
Number19 said:
Been spending a little time today analyzing possible trade down scenarios for the Texans. There are only seven teams that I would seriously consider: Atlanta (8); Seattle (9); Washington (11); Minnesota (12); Baltimore (14); Philly (15); New Orleans (18).

Of these, Atlanta and Seattle are the strongest possibilities, with Baltimore coming in third.

Atlanta has a need at OT, Edge and S. They've signed a FA edge rusher. I'd want Atlanta's #43 and #74.

Seattle has a need at Edge, CB and OT. They've signed a FA cornerback. I'd want Seattle's #40 and #72.

Baltimore has a need at OT and Edge. They've signed a FA tackle. Dropping down to #14, I'd want Baltimore's #45 and #76 and more, possibly their #2 in 2023.

The top prospects all address these team's needs: Hamilton (S); Hutchinson (Edge); Thibodeaux (Edge); Neal (OT); Ekwonu (OT); Stingley (CB).

If Atlanta or Seattle wants one of these elites, and will pay the piper, I'd jump on it.
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I would take Giants #7 for #36 and #81, and send them #183.
 
Number19 said:
Well, just considering changes to your mock, you're picking Neil at #3. I'd take Green a little further down the board. Otherwise your mock is unchanged, except for the extra two and extra three I'd get in the trade down.
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If Carolina and Atlanta want Willis and come looking for pick #3, I would open with give me Chinn/#6/ 2023 1st. The Panthers dont have the draft picks to compete with the Falcons. Plus I'm really high on Chinn.

Atlanta- Same deal but I want Terrell (Despite Mulaghetta) #8/#42 and a 2023 1st
 

Last year, posters were oozing out of their underwear for Wilson. This year, nobody think the Texans should draft a talent like Willis. Why not? The Cardinals drafted Rosen and came back with Murray. Even Willis needs a year, similar to Allen in Buffalo, his upside is so great, why isn't he mentioned? Just curious
 
Texansphan said:
I would take Giants #7 for #36 and #81, and send them #183.
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I think this trade could be one of the better possibilities. The Giants could very well have their eye on one of the top five and just wouldn’t want to chance him dropping to 7.

Even better, that #7 pick could be just as desirable to the QB hungry teams. Someone is going to get panicked and make the jump. Texans should be able to parlay this drop into another RD2 and maybe even an extra RD4.

Some crafty trades and Caserio could wind up with 9-11 of the top 108 players in this talent rich draft. Yeah, this could get the rebuild cranked up pretty quickly.

There would be a lot of good players still on the board late but if there was a player still there in RD4 that they had high on their board…they could be in a position to package the RD6 and RD7 picks for that opportunity. 10, 11, and/or 12 players inside RD4….should have corks flying in Houston.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I think this trade could be one of the better possibilities. The Giants could very well have their eye on one of the top five and just wouldn’t want to chance him dropping to 7.

Even better, that #7 pick could be just as desirable to the QB hungry teams. Someone is going to get panicked and make the jump. Texans should be able to parlay this drop into another RD2 and maybe even an extra RD4.

Some crafty trades and Caserio could wind up with 9-11 of the top 108 players in this talent rich draft. Yeah, this could get the rebuild cranked up pretty quickly.

There would be a lot of good players still on the board late but if there was a player still there in RD4 that they had high on their board…they could be in a position to package the RD6 and RD7 picks for that opportunity. 10, 11, and/or 12 players inside RD4….should have corks flying in Houston.
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This was my thinking too.
I bet someone is going to take a QB in the top 3 or 5 and Texans have to be on their radar as a possible trade partner.
 
Detroit’s plan is to select Aiden Hutchinson #2 if Jacksonville doesn’t select him 1st overall. Plan 2b. is to bring in their franchise QB, Malik Willis, and let him learn in their system one year behind Geoff. That leaves the Texans in desirable position of taking offers, from teams wanting #1 player on the draft board. Both top OT’s/DB’s available.
 
beerlover said:
Detroit’s plan is to select Aiden Hutchinson #2 if Jacksonville doesn’t select him 1st overall. Plan 2b. is to bring in their franchise QB, Malik Willis, and let him learn in their system one year behind Geoff. That leaves the Texans in desirable position of taking offers, from teams wanting #1 player on the draft board. Both top OT’s/DB’s available.
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Some teams after a QB might panic if Lions do take Willis and may not want to risk their guy being drafted by another team - like Texans, so we may very well see some trade offers.
In this scenario, Texans will hold the whip hand.
 
leebigeztx said:

Last year, posters were oozing out of their underwear for Wilson. This year, nobody think the Texans should draft a talent like Willis. Why not? The Cardinals drafted Rosen and came back with Murray. Even Willis needs a year, similar to Allen in Buffalo, his upside is so great, why isn't he mentioned? Just curious
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I didn't like Wilson.

I don't have a problem if the Texans take Willis. Or any QB, provided they think he is special. I don't want them taking anyone they think can become special. Or might be special. Of course, we'll never know what they think. So if they do take a QB, I'm going to believe it is because they believe he is special.
 
beerlover said:
Detroit’s plan is to select Aiden Hutchinson #2 if Jacksonville doesn’t select him 1st overall. Plan 2b. is to bring in their franchise QB, Malik Willis, and let him learn in their system one year behind Geoff. That leaves the Texans in desirable position of taking offers, from teams wanting #1 player on the draft board. Both top OT’s/DB’s available.
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That's insane to think they would pass on what they think is a "franchise QB" if an edge rusher is there.


But that's Detroit
 
Texansphan said:
Could go undrafted - or Texans take him with one of their 6th round picks.
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Q&A: Former Rockford Auburn star on his way to the Illini football record book

Former Auburn star Vederian Lowe talks performances, coaching, family and the NFL in a Q&A with the Rockford Register Star.
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This is a captivating young man with some real potential if for no other reason that he's been a real iron man during collge career - rarely missed a game or a start for that mattet while at Illinois.
He's has kids included one he & his wife adopted, so we are talking about a very responsible and mature young man here.
Physically he's very comparable to that very lengthy OT drafted out of the small college by Rick Smith in the 4th round few years back.
I dunno but seems this guy is surely worth a 6th rounder given his extreme positional value.
 
TexansFan15 said:
SDSU Pro Day

I’d love to draft Strong, and there were a few other prospects that turned heads. There’s a cornerback that I hadn’t heard of (Gardner) that I might take a late round flier on.
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There's one QB that has risen to the top of this year's QB pile for mine - Desmond Ridder.
Quietly had himself a very good combine and is known for his calm demeanor and leadership.
This from Bleacher Report:-
"Ridder is a quarterback with good height but a slighter frame who is a very good athlete at the position. He consistently displays polished footwork and pocket movement that allows him to play with balance. Even though he is a plus athlete with very good speed who is a weapon on designed quarterback runs, Ridder prefers to do his damage from the pocket.

Ridder also shows an advanced pre-snap operation, adjusting protections and moving his teammates around as needed in a calm manner. His processing also shows up when progressing on passing concepts. He keeps his eyes downfield and shows the ability to truly get through multiple read plays. When paired with his very good pocket movement, he is able to get to the correct throw on a variety of different passing plays.
Ridder has the arm strength to be able to drive intermediate throws and is able to throw off-platform when needed. He flashes the ability to throw a catchable deep ball but sometimes can try to be too perfect with his ball placement, so deep throws will end up a bit short because he has tried to “aim” them. Ridder’s processing also allows him to make throws with anticipation, letting him beat defenders before they have a chance to make plays on the throw and giving his receivers room to work. He can have some sprayed throws early in games, but he settles in as the game goes along and can have flashes of very good accuracy at all three levels.

Overall, Ridder is a competitive player who showed a leap in improvement throughout the 2021 season. He’s athletic but doesn’t just rely on his legs to make plays happen and constantly showed an advanced understanding of Cincinnati’s offense with his pre- and post-snap operation. His ability to operate from the pocket with his polished movement and balance, while still maintaining the athleticism to create plays when things break down, is a fun package.
Ridder is able to operate on time and has the arm strength to drive throws and balls to the field, which allows him to attack all areas of the defense. His main blemish is some inaccurate throws at the beginning of games when he seems to be too amped up. But he settles in as the game goes along and is a player who steps up in big moments. Ridder shows enough advanced play that he can start for an NFL team as a rookie. He’s not a perfect prospect and might take some knocks early as he steps up a level in competition."
Is just over 6'3" and ran a 4:49.
 
If Caserio could pull off the type of multiple trade backs that result in 5 1st round picks (as our mockers here have), I'm down with spending a pick on a QB like Ridder. The picks currently allotted need to address other core pieces.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's insane to think they would pass on what they think is a "franchise QB" if an edge rusher is there.


But that's Detroit
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Texans too. The quickest way to become good is the qb. The afc is loaded and I think Lawrence is going to have a monster year with Pederson. The Texans can collect all the bodies they want, but if they have trouble recognizing a top shelf qb, they will be fodder. Its ridiculous to think you will be in this position again.
 
steelbtexan said:
If Carolina and Atlanta want Willis and come looking for pick #3, I would open with give me Chinn/#6/ 2023 1st. The Panthers dont have the draft picks to compete with the Falcons. Plus I'm really high on Chinn.

Atlanta- Same deal but I want Terrell (Despite Mulaghetta) #8/#42 and a 2023 1st
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Man, Texian would lose his mind, create a power point of imaginary draft value to eviscerate that state of Texas with, wants 3 1’s, 2 2’s and 16 CAR starters and then run off into the woods ripping his clothes off while screaming at the trees.
 
leebigeztx said:
You must don't watch cfb. Gardner has been top flight all year
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Yeah, I didn’t get that. I have yet to see him mocked later than 9.
As for QBs, I think they are just staying away this year.
It’s all Mills and his back up will be Allen.
And then next year. That’s when they will have the ammo to go get the guy they want if Mills doesn’t take that huge next step. I just don’t see any of these QBs as a better prospect than Mills. It’s just a weak class and for a team with 6 1st round draft picks in the next 3 years, they will give Mills the year.
 
Lucky said:
If Caserio could pull off the type of multiple trade backs that result in 5 1st round picks (as our mockers here have), I'm down with spending a pick on a QB like Ridder. The picks currently allotted need to address other core pieces.
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I have a feeling his draft stocks have risen dramatically. He'll go in the first - just wait and see.
 
Lucky said:
If Caserio could pull off the type of multiple trade backs that result in 5 1st round picks (as our mockers here have), I'm down with spending a pick on a QB like Ridder. The picks currently allotted need to address other core pieces.
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He has Carolina Panthers written all over him.
 
Jack Burton said:
Yeah, I didn’t get that. I have yet to see him mocked later than 9.
As for QBs, I think they are just staying away this year.
It’s all Mills and his back up will be Allen.
And then next year. That’s when they will have the ammo to go get the guy they want if Mills doesn’t take that huge next step. I just don’t see any of these QBs as a better prospect than Mills. It’s just a weak class and for a team with 6 1st round draft picks in the next 3 years, they will give Mills the year.
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You say that, but imo, Mills ceiling is low. As I stated before, things have to fall in place correctly to get to this place again. You have to hope a team that already has a young qb doesn't finish worse than you do like Jacksonville did this season. If a team like ATL, giants as an example finish with worse records and are drafting in front of you and there is a franchise qb, they're not going to move.
 
I think if Lovie has his way, Thibs is that Simien Rice type of de. I could see walker as a lde edge guy, but I don't think he's a #3 pick. Maybe 13, but thats kind of overkill.
 
Very, very unlikely to happen (the Eagles trade 15 and 19 for Texans #3) my mock simulation draft:

  • .
    Charles Cross
    OT Mississippi State

  • 15.
    Derek Stingley Jr.
    CB LSU

  • 19.
    Jermaine Johnson
    EDGE Florida State

  • 37.
    Breece Hall
    RB Iowa State

  • 68.
    Trey McBride
    TE Colorado State

  • 80.
    Travis Jones
    DT Connecticut

  • 107.
    Verone McKinley
    S Oregon

  • 108.
    Erik Ezukanma
    WR Texas Tech

  • 183.
    Jamaree Salyer
    OG Georgia

  • 205.
    Josh Paschal
    EDGE Kentucky

  • 207.
    Max Mitchell
    OT Louisiana

  • 245.
    Jaivon Heiligh
    WR Coastal Carolina
 
leebigeztx said:
Texans too.
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No not the Texans too.

He said the Lions plan was to take Hutchinson if he's there. If not, they'll take what they believe is a franchise QB.

In this scenario the Lions think Willis is a franchise QB but would choose Hutchinson if he's there.

We don't know of a situation where the Texans thought one prospect was a franchise QB but decided to draft a non-QB
 
leebigeztx said:
You say that, but imo, Mills ceiling is low. As I stated before, things have to fall in place correctly to get to this place again. You have to hope a team that already has a young qb doesn't finish worse than you do like Jacksonville did this season. If a team like ATL, giants as an example finish with worse records and are drafting in front of you and there is a franchise qb, they're not going to move.
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Well, if his ceiling is low, then HOU should be in front of them. I don’t see any QBs better than him in this draft.

This is just a bad draft for QBs. I’m seeing Pickett as everyone’s 1st or 2nd QB in this draft and then I’m seeing GMs saying he’s a 3rd round pick.
Willis played vs glorified high schools in college and will need at the very least a year to acclimate.
I just don’t see it.
No offense, but I get the sense your trying to talk yourself into HOU taking a QB. I just don’t see it.
Im sure they are doing their homework though…..
 
thunderkyss said:
What do you think?

In what way is he (Pickett) "better/worse" than Mills?
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Doesn’t matter. I’m not making those decisions.
What I am saying is I highly doubt that HOU is going to just give up on Davis Mills without giving him a full year to prove himself with the QBs available to them from this draft.
 
Jack Burton said:
Yeah, I didn’t get that. I have yet to see him mocked later than 9.
As for QBs, I think they are just staying away this year.
It’s all Mills and his back up will be Allen.
And then next year. That’s when they will have the ammo to go get the guy they want if Mills doesn’t take that huge next step. I just don’t see any of these QBs as a better prospect than Mills. It’s just a weak class and for a team with 6 1st round draft picks in the next 3 years, they will give Mills the year.
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Man the future is bright.

Say 6 more 1st Rd picks 1 more time. It's a great feeling to know if Caserio hits on these picks that the Calhoun's will be good for a decade. For the first time since their inception the slate is cleared and the Calhoun's actually are getting a chance to be built correctly. It only took 2 decades to get to this point, instead of being the franchise that chases its tail like a dog. Hoping against hope that they can beat more talented teams. If Caserio does his job 5 yrs from now the Texans will be the most talented team.
 
I really, really hope Detroit and Panthers and Falcons all draft quarterbacks this year. I see Detroit and Houston being tied for pick one with Panthers, Falcons and Giants all lining up somewhere behind them.

If Detroit, Panthers and Falcons select QBs they should not in 23. Leaving us to choose between keeping Mills QB1 and Stroud or Young .
 
Jack Burton said:
Well, if his ceiling is low, then HOU should be in front of them. I don’t see any QBs better than him in this draft.

This is just a bad draft for QBs. I’m seeing Pickett as everyone’s 1st or 2nd QB in this draft and then I’m seeing GMs saying he’s a 3rd round pick.
Willis played vs glorified high schools in college and will need at the very least a year to acclimate.
I just don’t see it.
No offense, but I get the sense your trying to talk yourself into HOU taking a QB. I just don’t see it.
Im sure they are doing their homework though…..
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I'm not talking myself into anything. People always talk about there isn't a qb or they don't like them until a team evaluate the talent and the Texans are left with mediocre qb play. I rewatched Allen pro day and Willis again and I come away with the same skill set. Both were very raw, but the talent is through the roof. Go watch the ease at which Willis throws the ball. Look at his lower body and his power. As a prospect, he has it all. He can be a plus,plus thrower of the football. Not only that, he scored a 31 on the wonderlick which doesn't mean much to me, but it shows his basic intellect. The ball explodes off his hand with ease. Not only that, he has a scramble element. Remember, Baker and Darnold had much better 1st seasons than Allen, but once coaching caught up with the talent, we saw the results. Is Willis ready now? Probably not, but his ceiling could put the Texans back in the mix much sooner than expected. If he flops, well, they have draft picks. You have to have the guy, not a guy. At the end of the day, a qb will have to offset personel losses. You'll never be able to stack a team to overcome a qb with no special qualities. Now if someone says his pre and post snap game going be like Brady or Manning, then ok, but everyone know thats asking alot. If the name of the game is competition, then every position, including the qb should have competition. Miami is trying to give Tua everything around him, but if they had taken the guy with the upside vs the polished guy, they wouldn't be in the position they're in.
 
leebigeztx said:
You must don't watch cfb. Gardner has been top flight all year
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I like Sauce but one the bugs in his game is holding. I read that he got flagged quite a few times last season. Instead of using his speed to correct a situation he was falling back to holding receivers instead. That begins to remind me of Kareem Jackson.

When pro receivers watch his tape, they may try to expose this weakness.
 
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