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Deshaun Watson... are we giving him a pass?

steelbtexan said:
And some posters act like he's Jesus in Cleats.

Top 5 QB? LMAO
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Seems like some posters acted like he was Jesus in Cleats by expecting him to read defenses in his 3rd year like seasoned 10+ year vets like Brady, Manning and Brees while irrationally blaming him for everything that went wrong. Anyway. I'm done with this pointless Watson debate. I'm just glad that you now have a Texans QB you like and you can now lecture posters on lack of patience with young QBs and how the surrounding cast can impact a young QB's development.

Before the allegations. After watching so many years of bad QB play from the Texans. I will never understand how a QB with Watson's skillset and potential ceiling became such a polarizing player on this forum where some posters couldn't enjoy the journey to see if he developed, improved, reached his ceiling and helped their favorite team win.
 
michaelm said:
Come on. Burrough in his rookie year was not a top five QB, and neither was Herbert.
But to your argument, you forgot Brees on that list
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Would've been had he not gotten hurt

I will debate you Herbert. Who after his rookie yr would you rather have as your QB? Give me Herbert everyday and twice on Sunday.

I dont think Brees was top 5 that yr. Neither was Derrick.
 
steelbtexan said:
Of course that's what he did, scramble around and look for the deep throw and if it wasn't there take off running. You can win some games and make alot of highlight reel plays that way. But no championships.

Notice what type of QB play made the SB this yr, and for that matter the AFCCG/NFCCG's? Derrick aint the guy to change this trend. Mahomes may be able to change the trend because he's got unreal athletic ability. But his contract is very soon going to make winning another SB very unlikely.
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Let’s see……Rothlisberger, Wilson, and Mahomes have SB victories that clearly show that you’re wrong by at least 3 SB’s. We could go back much further in NFL lore to the days of Fran Tarkenton and Roger Staubach for a couple of QB’s who would scramble….and scramble some more…backwards, forward and from sideline to sideline until they had a receiver open….and if they didn’t, they tucked the ball and ran (that part where they could hurt defenses with their legs) for first downs or like in “Roger the Dodger’s” case, knocked into concussion silliness. Your efforts to demonize Watson’s abilities on the football field have squarely fallen on deaf ears b/c your analysis is so biased and hate filled.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Because Some like me were pretty sure the journey wasn't going to lead to a championship. If Mills hasn't improved alot by the end of yr 3 at reading defenses I will be his biggest critic. Weapons Derrick had Hopkins/WFV to throw too, followed by Cooks. Why do you think Arians made the qoute he made. Derrick had weapons.
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Yet you were willing to gamble and be onboard for the journey with Ryan Mallet who had a reputation for drug use and too much partying at Arkansas. I guess your third eye to predict the failure of Texans QBs didn't develop until the 2017 draft.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Back in December of 2018, after publicly declaring his interest in becoming the Cleveland Browns head coach, then-retired Bruce Arians was on the CBS broadcast team that called the Texans-Browns game featuring Watson versus Browns QB Baker Mayfield.

It was there that Arians revealed he had a problem with Watson eating too many sacks.
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He said "if"

“If there’s one negative right now to Deshaun’s game, he will not throw the ball away,”
 
Lucky said:
Can't wait to bury this thread in the NFL section. One day.
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It'll be awhile. And who knows? It may not happen for many years. I wonder how many Texans fans would "leave" the franchise if he were to play for the Texans again? My guess is about the same percentage would leave as there is a chance he plays here again...about a half of a percent.
 
banned1976 said:
It'll be awhile. And who knows? It may not happen for many years. I wonder how many Texans fans would "leave" the franchise if he were to play for the Texans again? My guess is about the same percentage would leave as there is a chance he plays here again...about a half of a percent.
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I know one member on here has already stated he will leave and wouldn’t be a Texans fan any longer.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Let’s see……Rothlisberger, Wilson, and Mahomes have SB victories that clearly show that you’re wrong by at least 3 SB’s. We could go back much further in NFL lore to the days of Fran Tarkenton and Roger Staubach for a couple of QB’s who would scramble….and scramble some more…backwards, forward and from sideline to sideline until they had a receiver open….and if they didn’t, they tucked the ball and ran (that part where they could hurt defenses with their legs) for first downs or like in “Roger the Dodger’s” case, knocked into concussion silliness. Your efforts to demonize Watson’s abilities on the football field have squarely fallen on deaf ears b/c your analysis is so biased and hate filled.
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These guys scrambled as a last resort and took what was available. They weren't always looking for the homerun ball

The closest to Derrick that won a championship was Steve Young and he only won one with some of the greatest players of all-time on the team. Comparing Derrick to Staubach? LMAO
 
Thorn said:
SteelB has a hardon for hating Watson. Just understand it and let it go, there's no point in arguing with him over it.

Like me and Eastershit, don't even bother to point out anything good about him to me.
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There's a difference between hating and not thinking he's as good as some of the greatest to ever play this game.

He's not bad, he's probably a top 10-12 QB. But to hear him mentioned in the same breath as Staubach and some of the other all time greats is laughable.
 
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Mr teX said:
He is this MB's very own inverse version of Larry from Stafford when it comes to DW4. Just downright irrational & way off base in his takes at times...Then can't even admit it when he's called on it.
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So Derrick is as comparable to Staubach/Young etc .. I may not be the poster that's being irrational.

I do know that there will be no championships.
 
Mr teX said:
In there games? absolutely...."roger the dodger" wasn't a nickname given to the dude b/c he could sling it.
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The difference is although he scrambled he went through his reads 1st. Also he was disciplined from his military background and spent his time with his family and watching film. Not out clubbing and preying on Instagram models.

Two totally different people and lifestyle's. One you can win championships with, the other you can't. Regardless of ability on the field, particularly at the QB position.
 
steelbtexan said:
The difference is although he scrambled he went through his reads 1st. Also he was disciplined from his military background and spent his time with his family and watching film.
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1645558037719.pngYou clearly must be this guy with all that reaching you're doing trying to make your assertion stick. Tom Landry seemed unconvinced of what you're asserting here & his distaste of Staubach's running around like a chicken with its head cut off is well known. It led to 1 of the most bizarre qb controversies for christ's sake. It was only when Landry backed off & let Roger be Roger with all his scrambling and running around that they started to put it together & won a championship.


steelbtexan said:
Two totally different people and lifestyle's. One you can win championships with, the other you can't. Regardless of ability on the field, particularly at the QB position.
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The rest of this is utter garbage and really has nothing to do with anything that happens on the field.
 
Mr teX said:
View attachment 9781You clearly must be this guy with all that reaching you're doing trying to make your assertion stick. Tom Landry seemed unconvinced of what you're asserting here & his distaste of Staubach's running around like a chicken with its head cut off is well known. It led to 1 of the most bizarre qb controversies for christ's sake. It was only when Landry backed off & let Roger be Roger with all his scrambling and running around that they started to put it together & won a championship.




The rest of this is utter garbage and really has nothing to do with anything that happens on the field.
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If you say so

Are you saying there's no difference between Staubach and Derrick?
 
steelbtexan said:
If you say so

Are you saying there's no difference between Staubach and Derrick?
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None really....but Its not me saying anything. Those are just undeniable facts that you have to wrap your head around & cut out the nonsense. Much like DW4, Staubach was atypical as a QB in his time. a guy who'd made his bones in college as a runner of the football........ not a passer...moreso than DW4 in fact. A guy who throughout his career mostly relied on his running.....not his passing to make big plays for his team when they needed him most. You could argue DW4 is a better passer of the ball than Staubach ever was.

Bottom line is all of the really great runners at the position have done what DW4 has done..some with more, some less but they have done it. Staubach was just fortunate enough that he had a team around him. Had he not had that, he would've likely ended up like Archie Manning....or Steve Young in TB...i.e. no championships....b/c you know, this is a team game.
 
Mr teX said:
None really....but Its not me saying anything. Those are just undeniable facts that you have to wrap your head around & cut out the nonsense. Much like DW4, Staubach was atypical as a QB in his time. a guy who'd made his bones in college as a runner of the football........ not a passer...moreso than DW4 in fact. A guy who throughout his career mostly relied on his running.....not his passing to make big plays for his team when they needed him most. You could argue DW4 is a better passer of the ball than Staubach ever was.

Bottom line is all of the really great runners at the position have done what DW4 has done..some with more, some less but they have done it. Staubach was just fortunate enough that he had a team around him. Had he not had that, he would've likely ended up like Archie Manning....or Steve Young in TB...i.e. no championships....b/c you know, this is a team game.
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One had football character and life character.

The other not so much.

One was in it for the highlights and glory, the other not so much. One is very intelligent, the other not so much. One improved, did less scrambling and got better at reading defenses after 4 yrs. The other is still getting the he's a young guy and still learning pass, while some think he's a top 5 QB.

Tell you what I will give Derrick a pass when I dont see him partying on social media for a yr. Then I will believe he's fully committed to his craft.

Out of the top 5 QB's how many of them do you see out there doing the bling game that Derrick does? Do you really beliee Derrick's 1st priority is winng a championship? I dont, If you do then that's where we differ and we wont ever agree. Maybe he will change with time (I'm not talking about jailtime) but his actions on and off the field make that very unlikely.

Rodgers/Brady/Burrow/Herbert/LJ/Russ/Mahomes throw in Stafford? Sure they go out from time to time but it isn't a lifestyle.

I will just be glad when all of this is over and Derrick is either playing for another team or is in jail. Yesterday's court developments were certainly interesting.
 
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steelbtexan said:
One had football character and life character.

The other not so much.

One was in it for the highlights and glory, the other not so much. One is very intelligent, the other not so much. One improved, did less scrambling and got better at reading defenses after 4 yrs. The other is still getting the he's a young guy and still learning pass, while some think he's a top 5 QB.

Tell you what I will give Derrick a pass when I dont see him partying on social media for a yr. Then I will believe he's fully committed to his craft.

Out of the top 5 QB's how many of them do you see out there doing the bling game that Derrick does? Do you really beliee Derrick's 1st priority is winng a championship? I dont, If you do then that's where we differ and we wont ever agree. Maybe he will change with time (I'm not talking about jailtime) but his actions on and off the field make that very unlikely.

Rodgers/Brady/Burrow/Herbert/LJ/Russ/Mahomes throw in Stafford? Sure they go out from time to time but it isn't a lifestyle.

I will just be glad when all of this is over and Derrick is either playing for another team or is in jail. Yesterday's court developments were certainly interesting.
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:lol:Staubach after 4 years in the league was damn near 30 & in his prime age wise. He should’ve been at his best much sooner than 4 years in at the NFL level to be honest. DW4 after 4 years has already put up top 5 qb numbers is just now entering his prime and had just begun to scratch the surface of how great he could be. But as usual you try to inject points that have next to nothing to do with the actual play on the field b/c you can’t formulate a credible argument otherwise.

…I’ll go ahead and let you off the hook b/c it’s clear you’re of your depth.
 
Mr teX said:
:lol:Staubach after 4 years in the league was damn near 30 & in his prime age wise. He should’ve been at his best much sooner than 4 years in at the NFL level to be honest. DW4 after 4 years has already put up top 5 qb numbers is just now entering his prime and had just begun to scratch the surface of how great he could be. But as usual you try to inject points that have next to nothing to do with the actual play on the field b/c you can’t formulate a credible argument otherwise.

…I’ll go ahead and let you off the hook b/c it’s clear you’re of your depth.
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You do realize Staubach was in the Navy for 4 years after he graduated from college.

If you think Staubach and Derrick can even be mentioned in the same breath as QB's then that tells me you're a fanboy and there's no reason to continue this conversation. Like I said, Derrick is more comparable to Steve Young. Who although he won one championship and made the HOF he really under achieved considering what Montana did with the same talent around him.
 
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steelbtexan said:
You do realize Staubach was in the Navy for 4 years after he graduated from college.
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I do realize that…which was my point. Entering the league at 27 and much more mentally and physically mature vs at 22 and still learning who you are & what you can be is huge….Not to mention the adult real world environment Staubach was immersed in with the military/war…….& the times….Most guys who played would say they were much better prepared to play and for life in general than they were at 22.

Staubach was a great player no doubt…I don’t want to take anything away from him…but let’s be real, those 4 years away in the military only helped him & his career is a unique case b/c of it.
 
Earl34 said:
Yet you were willing to gamble and be onboard for the journey with Ryan Mallet who had a reputation for drug use and too much partying at Arkansas. I guess your third eye to predict the failure of Texans QBs didn't develop until the 2017 draft.
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Lol don’t forget Tom Savage. Dude was never this critical of his play on the field.
 
steelbtexan said:
You do realize Staubach was in the Navy for 4 years after he graduated from college.

If you think Staubach and Derrick can even be mentioned in the same breath as QB's then that tells me you're a fanboy and there's no reason to continue this conversation. Like I said, Derrick is more comparable to Steve Young. Who although he won one championship and made the HOF he really under achieved considering what Montana did with the same talent around him.
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& when you can’t retort anything stated by the other party b/c you know you’re wrong as hell this is what you do…just take your L buddy and move on.
 
Earl34 said:
I was trying to not go there. But since you opened the door. LOL.
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True, but nobody said Peterman was a top 5 QB.

LikeI said before Derrick will be somebody elses problem soon enough. I'm going to answer LBEZTX post and move on. My thoughts on Derrick are well known and I hope Buzbee's depositions tell everybody what I've always thought about Derrick was spot on.
 
Earl34 said:
Yet you were willing to gamble and be onboard for the journey with Ryan Mallet who had a reputation for drug use and too much partying at Arkansas. I guess your third eye to predict the failure of Texans QBs didn't develop until the 2017 draft.
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I thought Mallett was the best choice for that season, with a playoff ready team.
 
Earl34 said:
Yet you were willing to gamble and be onboard for the journey with Ryan Mallet who had a reputation for drug use and too much partying at Arkansas. I guess your third eye to predict the failure of Texans QBs didn't develop until the 2017 draft.
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Texansballer74 said:
Lol don’t forget Tom Savage. Dude was never this critical of his play on the field.
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leebigeztx said:
Don't forget Nathan Peterman either
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leebigeztx said:
He was hating from the word go. lol
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What difference does it make?

let fanbois fan, let haters hate. We’re not here to prove you’re right, anyone is wrong, how poor my football knowledge is or anything not related to theTexans, the NFL, or sports in general.

Your posts need to be on those topics. Not on any particular member, his bias, his purpose for being here, any of that.

you want to waste your time & argue with him, fine. Have at it. But keep the punches up. Attack the post not the poster. Adhomenim etc, etc…

this is the last word. After this, posts will be deleted. Warnings will be given.
 
thunderkyss said:
What difference does it make?

let fanbois fan, let haters hate. We’re not here to prove you’re right, anyone is wrong, how poor my football knowledge is or anything not related to theTexans, the NFL, or sports in general.

Your posts need to be on those topics. Not on any particular member, his bias, his purpose for being here, any of that.

you want to waste your time & argue with him, fine. Have at it. But keep the punches up. Attack the post not the poster. Adhomenim etc, etc…

this is the last word. After this, posts will be deleted. Warnings will be given.
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We’re having a little fun going down memory lane.
 
Mr teX said:
I do realize that…which was my point. Entering the league at 27 and much more mentally and physically mature vs at 22 and still learning who you are & what you can be is huge….Not to mention the adult real world environment Staubach was immersed in with the military/war…….& the times….Most guys who played would say they were much better prepared to play and for life in general than they were at 22.

Staubach was a great player no doubt…I don’t want to take anything away from him…but let’s be real, those 4 years away in the military only helped him & his career is a unique case b/c of it.
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Yes it did everything you mentioned, but 4 years away from NFL football is still 4 years away from NFL football, time not spent working at your craft and developing your skills as a football player. Staubach was still a NFL rookie when he entered the league, regardless of his age.
 
Disclaimer. I thought Watson was in the top 5 range last time he played, I argued in his favor.

Problem is none of that matters anymore. The way I think about Watson today, the sooner we can get him the hell out of here the better... Not just talking about the off the field stuff either. The damn ink wasn't even dried before he dug us into whatever this crap will become. I'm just ready to read the words "ex Texans QB".
 
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Re: Watson v Staubach

Not a fair comparison in many ways simply because a) it's a different league, and b) Staubach had arguably one of the greatest coaches in NFL history with Tom Landry. And on teams with HoF caliber players.

What will ultimately haunt Watson with whatever team takes him will be twofold. The talent that will not be there because of traded draft capital (and perhaps even traded players), and the salary cap implications of his enormous paycheck.
 
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