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Senior Bowl 2022

Pitre showing he's much more than an in the box S. Somebody's going to get a steal in the late 2nd/early 3rd.
I think there are multiple teams that are going to find steals. I keep hearing that this draft isn’t a good one, but I think it’s deep. I’ve never seen a TE class so plush with talent. Depending on the position, your going to find solid contributors in the 3-5th.
 
I think there are multiple teams that are going to find steals. I keep hearing that this draft isn’t a good one, but I think it’s deep. I’ve never seen a TE class so plush with talent. Depending on the position, your going to find solid contributors in the 3-5th.

Yep, this is the yr to find a long term answer like OD in rds 3-5. There's no Gronk/Kelce/Kittle in this class though. Although Woods appears to have that type of athletic ability.
 
Nobody thought Kitties, Kelce, and Waller would be who they turned out to be. Those WCO guys know how to find te talent and develop them

Some did, the reason they lasted as long as they did was because Kelce/Waller weren't Texans Worthy. Had issues with drugs and temper issues. Kittle was hurt in college.

Who do you see like this in this draft?

I like Dulcich/Woods in the 3rd-4th Rd range and Calcatera/Allen from Nebraska later.
 
Some did, the reason they lasted as long as they did was because Kelce/Waller weren't Texans Worthy. Had issues with drugs and temper issues. Kittle was hurt in college.

Who do you see like this in this draft?

I like Dulcich/Woods in the 3rd-4th Rd range and Calcatera/Allen from Nebraska later.
I like McBride, but I suspect he’ll be drafted late 1st-early 2nd. That most likely puts him out of our range.

As far as other TEs, I like the following guys:

-Jeremy Ruckert
-Jake Ferguson
-Jelani Woods
-Cole Turner
-Charlie Kolar
-Greg Dulcich

Really I’d be happy with any of those guys. They all have good to great hands and be an excellent target to have.
 
Some did, the reason they lasted as long as they did was because Kelce/Waller weren't Texans Worthy. Had issues with drugs and temper issues. Kittle was hurt in college.

Who do you see like this in this draft?

I like Dulcich/Woods in the 3rd-4th Rd range and Calcatera/Allen from Nebraska later.
I think until the Texans have a TE friendly offense, it doesn't matter. Again, all those guys mentioned plays in the WCO. If the Texans had a offense that doesn't require the TE to be perfect at everything, I think Jordan Akins is as talented as they come. Daniels was the last best TE and its no accident he played in the WCO not whatever that was BOB,Godsey or Kelly were trying to run.
 
I think until the Texans have a TE friendly offense, it doesn't matter. Again, all those guys mentioned plays in the WCO. If the Texans had a offense that doesn't require the TE to be perfect at everything, I think Jordan Akins is as talented as they come. Daniels was the last best TE and its no accident he played in the WCO not whatever that was BOB,Godsey or Kelly were trying to run.

Sure a WCO makes the te look better. But in other offenses TE's also have looked pretty good. Historically Gronk/Winslow Navarro/Novacek etc...

Today you've got guys like Waller/Hckenson/ Goeddert/ertz/Schultz etc... Who are really good TE's that don't play in WCO.

The fact that you think Akins is good tells me something, sure he can catch the ball. But I don't know that he could block us. Much less an NFL lb on a consistent basis
 
There are good receiving TEs in this draft. There are good blocking TEs in this draft. And then there is Ruckert. He's the TE the Texans need.

Dulcich is also a good blocker

What Rd do you see Ruckert going in? I see Dulcich going lare 3rd/early 4th. So if Caserio wants him he will either have to pick him at 3-80 or package some of those 6ths/7th along with 4-135 to move up.

Do you think Ruckert falls to 3-80 or will Caserio need to pick him at 3-67? Would you pick Ruckert over say Ross or Watson at 3-67, knowing how deep this te class is?
 
I think until the Texans have a TE friendly offense, it doesn't matter. Again, all those guys mentioned plays in the WCO. If the Texans had a offense that doesn't require the TE to be perfect at everything, I think Jordan Akins is as talented as they come. Daniels was the last best TE and its no accident he played in the WCO not whatever that was BOB,Godsey or Kelly were trying to run.
The main problem with Daniels was that he was highly questionable as a blocker.
 
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So this is another Oline prospect from a small-school like Max Scharpin & Tytus Howard, and do we feel comfortable/confidant with our ability
to project these small-schools guys chances of succeeding in the NFL ?

This guy has much more ability than Scharping ever had. He kept Spencer Brown at RT in college while he played LT. Brown started and played well as a rookie at RT for the Bills last yr.

Penning has a nasty streak that I like in my OL. He also played some OG in the Sr. Bowl and looked good. If I was a team like the Chargers and Jermaine Johnson wasn't there at #17 then Penning would be my pick.

BTW, is it just me or did Winfrey look alot like Tommie Harris at the Sr. Bowl? A man amongst boys.
 
This guy has much more ability than Scharping ever had. He kept Spencer Brown at RT in college while he played LT. Brown started and played well as a rookie at RT for the Bills last yr.

Penning has a nasty streak that I like in my OL. He also played some OG in the Sr. Bowl and looked good. If I was a team like the Chargers and Jermaine Johnson wasn't there at #17 then Penning would be my pick.

BTW, is it just me or did Winfrey look alot like Tommie Harris at the Sr. Bowl? A man amongst boys.

explosve edge/interior with variety of moves will give large/tall tackles or guards problems. First step get off, reading blocks and knowing tendencies is what Winfrey put on display. Yes, Tommy Harris (who was target discussed here back in the day) or a Warren Sapp 3-tech.

Chargers need best defensive player available, depending on free agency to drill down best fit/need. Perrion, still has Combine, Pro Day and individual team invites to navigate, but he should be in cluster #17. If by chance, he slips to Texans, that’s kind of break Caserio needs.
 
Sure a WCO makes the te look better. But in other offenses TE's also have looked pretty good. Historically Gronk/Winslow Navarro/Novacek etc...

Today you've got guys like Waller/Hckenson/ Goeddert/ertz/Schultz etc... Who are really good TE's that don't play in WCO.

The fact that you think Akins is good tells me something, sure he can catch the ball. But I don't know that he could block us. Much less an NFL lb on a consistent basis
Waller, Ertz, and Goeddert all are WCO TEs. Pedersen and Gruden are all off the holmgren/Reid tree. In fact, I think Reid drafted Ertz before he was fired in Philly and Pedersen was there with Goeddert. Point being, Gronk is an anomaly and probably the greatest at his position, especially the modern era. The chance of you finding that dude again are very,very slim. The strength of your te should be played to. He just needs to be adequate as a blocker. Nobody is nominating Kelce or Waller to all pro because of their blocking. Shannon Sharpe wasn't a dominant blocker although he was the te on some high end running games, but him being a mismatch in the passing game is what got him in the HOF.

The Texans since Kubes left hasn't been able to use the te. BOB wanted a size clone of Gronk so the team drafted Fido. Most of those WCO TEs are blown up wr's or h-back types. They know how to target a certain type of te much like they do rbs and ot. Until the Texans know how to target and incorporate those players, its going to be a waste like Akins.
 
Waller, Ertz, and Goeddert all are WCO TEs. Pedersen and Gruden are all off the holmgren/Reid tree. In fact, I think Reid drafted Ertz before he was fired in Philly and Pedersen was there with Goeddert. Point being, Gronk is an anomaly and probably the greatest at his position, especially the modern era. The chance of you finding that dude again are very,very slim. The strength of your te should be played to. He just needs to be adequate as a blocker. Nobody is nominating Kelce or Waller to all pro because of their blocking. Shannon Sharpe wasn't a dominant blocker although he was the te on some high end running games, but him being a mismatch in the passing game is what got him in the HOF.

The Texans since Kubes left hasn't been able to use the te. BOB wanted a size clone of Gronk so the team drafted Fido. Most of those WCO TEs are blown up wr's or h-back types. They know how to target a certain type of te much like they do rbs and ot. Until the Texans know how to target and incorporate those players, its going to be a waste like Akins.

Are they playing in WCO's right now?
 
explosve edge/interior with variety of moves will give large/tall tackles or guards problems. First step get off, reading blocks and knowing tendencies is what Winfrey put on display. Yes, Tommy Harris (who was target discussed here back in the day) or a Warren Sapp 3-tech.

Chargers need best defensive player available, depending on free agency to drill down best fit/need. Perrion, still has Combine, Pro Day and individual team invites to navigate, but he should be in cluster #17. If by chance, he slips to Texans, that’s kind of break Caserio needs.

You were the 1st on this MB that wanted Donald, So I defer to you on DL play.

How did Winfrey's week stack up compared to Donald's. I've read daily reports and they'e said Winfrey was dominant each day and capped the week off with a Sr. Bowl MVP. Pretty impressive.
 
This guy has much more ability than Scharping ever had. He kept Spencer Brown at RT in college while he played LT. Brown started and played well as a rookie at RT for the Bills last yr.

Penning has a nasty streak that I like in my OL. He also played some OG in the Sr. Bowl and looked good. If I was a team like the Chargers and Jermaine Johnson wasn't there at #17 then Penning would be my pick.

BTW, is it just me or did Winfrey look alot like Tommie Harris at the Sr. Bowl? A man amongst boys.
OK sounds good 'cause you are way ahead of me in terms of evaluating these guys.
I wish I could have seen the game & practices but can't because our cable-service provider doesn't offer the NFLNet anymore.
 
Did it matter? He was the te when Foster was going off correct? Not to mention a rookie in Slaton. On top of that he made the probowl

Daniels improved into an avg blocker.

I would settle for that from the current Texans TE position. Penalties from the TE position were killers last yr.
 
Daniels improved into an avg blocker.

I would settle for that from the current Texans TE position. Penalties from the TE position were killers last yr.
If you got movement and pass catching ability, thats all you need to be is avg. Jimmy Graham was terrible in his prime,but he was soo good in the pass game, it didn't matter. Olson was good at both, Gronk was awesome at both, which is rare. I think running those guys in and off the field didn't help a rhythm or balance. I think when Akins get with another team, he's going to play well.
 
Some did, the reason they lasted as long as they did was because Kelce/Waller weren't Texans Worthy. Had issues with drugs and temper issues. Kittle was hurt in college.

Who do you see like this in this draft?

I like Dulcich/Woods in the 3rd-4th Rd range and Calcatera/Allen from Nebraska later.
Calcatera is the one I'd like to grab.

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He has a history of concussions, so should be available in the 5th or later. However, he has the physical skills to be a top receiving TE if he can stay healthy.
 
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Calcatera is the one I'd like to grab.

Dulcich is the guy I want in the 3rd-4th rd. I like Calcatera in that range as well, but I dropped him to the 5th because of the concussion issues. Calcatera can get down the seams and was a decent blocker at Oklahoma. Kinda reminds me of Andrews.
 
Dulcich is the guy I want in the 3rd-4th rd. I like Calcatera in that range as well, but I dropped him to the 5th because of the concussion issues. Calcatera can get down the seams and was a decent blocker at Oklahoma. Kinda reminds me of Andrews.
I was editing my comment while you were responding.
 
Wisconsin TE Ferguson is actually my favorite TE, but I think he will go too high for us. If he's there in the 4th, I take him. I don't think he will be, and that's why I like Calcatera later.
 
Wisconsin TE Ferguson is actually my favorite TE, but I think he will go too high for us. If he's there in the 4th, I take him. I don't think he will be, and that's why I like Calcatera later.

I like him too.

I'm on the Woods/Dulcich train at 80

Like Calcatera alot, what rd do you think he goes in?
 
Do you think Ruckert falls to 3-80 or will Caserio need to pick him at 3-67? Would you pick Ruckert over say Ross or Watson at 3-67, knowing how deep this te class is?
Narrowing down between #68 and #80 would be difficult on draft day. Much less over 2 months away. In the past few drafts, the 2nd Y TE goes in the 3rd round. In previous years, they went late 2nd. I think teams are pushing back inline TEs a half round or so over the off ball TEs. I think Ruckert will be the #2 Y TE behind McBride, who I'm not very impressed by as a blocker.

What are you looking for at WR? I don't think there will be a X receiver (a #1 WR) in the 3rd round. Have we given up on Nico at the Z? The Texans could use a slot WR, and not have to use a 40 year old. That should be available in the 3rd.
 
Very deep TE class
Take advantage
No need to reach
Wait for this pair to fall
#67 Jeremy Ruckert 6-5 250 OSU
#130 Greg Dulcich 6-3 3/4 248 UCLA
With Brevin Jordan that’s as solid position group as Texans have ever had.
 
Very deep TE class
Take advantage
No need to reach
Wait for this pair to fall
#67 Jeremy Ruckert 6-5 250 OSU
#130 Greg Dulcich 6-3 3/4 248 UCLA
With Brevin Jordan that’s as solid position group as Texans have ever had.

I'm thinking Dulcich will be picked before #130.
 
Narrowing down between #68 and #80 would be difficult on draft day. Much less over 2 months away. In the past few drafts, the 2nd Y TE goes in the 3rd round. In previous years, they went late 2nd. I think teams are pushing back inline TEs a half round or so over the off ball TEs. I think Ruckert will be the #2 Y TE behind McBride, who I'm not very impressed by as a blocker.

What are you looking for at WR? I don't think there will be a X receiver (a #1 WR) in the 3rd round. Have we given up on Nico at the Z? The Texans could use a slot WR, and not have to use a 40 year old. That should be available in the 3rd.

If healthy I think Ross can be a better version of Higgins. I haven't given up on Collins. I'm using Cooks in the slot and looking to draft another slot later in the draft.
 
There are other good TE's in this draft, but I see Ferguson as a more athletic Joel Dreessen with better hands. I'd probably put Ferguson's blocking on par with CJ Fedorawhozurmama, or whatever his name is...lol (Fiedorowicz).

Calcatera, I see as a less talented Owen Daniels, but is a better blocker.
 
If healthy I think Ross can be a better version of Higgins. I haven't given up on Collins.
Ross looks like Higgins. But, I don't see the speed or physicality of Higgins. I think Ross is this year's Collins. Looks good on the hoof. Has flashed, but not consistently productive. A projection. I think the Texans need more proven, productive players.
 
Ross looks like Higgins. But, I don't see the speed or physicality of Higgins. I think Ross is this year's Collins. Looks good on the hoof. Has flashed, but not consistently productive. A projection. I think the Texans need more proven, productive players.

He was better than Higgins before he was injured. He was going to be a top 15 pick before 2 yrs ago he broke his neck and last yr hurt his ankle. Ross was the best WR on a team that had Higgins/Rodgers/Ross and I believe Renfro 3 yrs ago. IMHO
 
I think the draft is loaded with the receivers who possess solid route running, larger catch radius, and are good after the catch. Personally, the Texans are missing that healthy and bigger version of William Fuller (6-1 @ 184 lbs) at wideout. A receiver that forces defenses to commit their safety to help over the top. That would free up your Cooks, Collins, TE’s, and SWR to do their damage. The WR who gets my attention is WR- Chris Olave, Ohio St (6-1 @ 195 lbs) and has been clocked in the 40 by Ohio St at 4.38. If the Texans could put Olave at WR1, Collins at WR2, and Cooks at WR3/SWR….that could be a very solid trio of targets for Mills.
 
I think the draft is loaded with the receivers who possess solid route running, larger catch radius, and are good after the catch. Personally, the Texans are missing that healthy and bigger version of William Fuller (6-1 @ 184 lbs) at wideout. A receiver that forces defenses to commit their safety to help over the top. That would free up your Cooks, Collins, TE’s, and SWR to do their damage. The WR who gets my attention is WR- Chris Olave, Ohio St (6-1 @ 195 lbs) and has been clocked in the 40 by Ohio St at 4.38. If the Texans could put Olave at WR1, Collins at WR2, and Cooks at WR3/SWR….that could be a very solid trio of targets for Mills.

If Olave runs a 4.38, I doubt he will be there at 2-38.

Fastest guys I've seen are Velus Jones/WanDale Robinson/Pickens.

Of course you've got Jameson Williams, if he falls to say #27 would you trade up to get him and if you would what would you give up?
 
If Olave runs a 4.38, I doubt he will be there at 2-38.

Fastest guys I've seen are Velus Jones/WanDale Robinson/Pickens.

Of course you've got Jameson Williams, if he falls to say #27 would you trade up to get him and if you would what would you give up?

I’m also curious to see if WR- Danny Gray, SMU can bust a sub 4.4.-40.
 
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