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Head Coach Candidate (Lovie Smith Hired) 2/7/22

michaelm said:
Could "completed discussions" be interpreted as they are done with those guys and they aren't going to hire any of them?

610 is interpreting it as saying these three are the finalists
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More likely, the Texans have simply affirmed the fact that they have completed the formal second interviews off these three candidates. Doesn't mean that they won't have any additional communications with them.
 
Vandermeer tweeted out that O’Connell had his first interview. I’m guessing they put the initial request in early enough to get in before the super bowl cut off, to whereas the Jags, did not.

I think “completed discussions” with the other 3 candidates means they have talked to them as much as they need to. Now they need to decide if they want to wait til after the super bowl to talk with O’Connell again.
 
Htown Legend said:
Vandermeer tweeted out that O’Connell had his first interview. I’m guessing they put the initial request in early enough to get in before the super bowl cut off, to whereas the Jags, did not.

I think “completed discussions” with the other 3 candidates means they have talked to them as much as they need to. Now they need to decide if they want to wait til after the super bowl to talk with O’Connell again.
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This was O'Connell's second interview................the first interview was by Zoom and not publicized.
 
michaelm said:
Klint Kubiak- "I'm Klint. Ask Gary that question"
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OK, so Klint would you like your Dad hire assistant coaches who were your friends and good buddies? Or would you stay away from friends and family and only hire the absolute very best coaches you can and are available?
 
Texian said:
OK, so Klint would you like your Dad hire assistant coaches who were your friends and good buddies? Or would you stay away from friends and family and only hire the absolute very best coaches you can and are available?
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I know literally nothing about Klint Kubiak.
Is there anything other than Gary's history to make anyone assume he would hire like his dad?
 
Number19 said:
I may have been the first to say I would be OK with McCown and not because of resignation. I disagree with the position that it would be "a colossal bad and embarrassing idea". Whether anyone cares to recognize it, McCown has an out-of-the-box appeal with positive attributes.
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Is that you, Jack?
 
Boris said:
meaning McDaniels was plan a?
if so...bad look for Caserio to be pied off by someone he's worked so closely w/for so many years
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It is McDaniels.

This is the guy who had people quit their jobs to join him in Indianapolis than backed out. Like Matt Eberflus. Luckily for those guys Indy let them even though Josh dodged his commitment.
 
Biggest mistake fans in general make is thinking that b/c a guy had success elsewhere with better players that they’ll be able to come to a horrible team and duplicate that same success with lesser or even different talents. How many times do you have to see these hotshot young coordinators from loaded teams go to sucky ones and be terrible before you understand that scheme is only part of the equation….& a very small part at that?

That why I dont get the “I want this guy b/c he’s good and runs this scheme with the Rams…or the 49ers and they had success”. Yeah, he is good….with those specific players in that set up….like a lot of guys would be. Tells me very little about him as a coach though. How’s his coaching gonna look when he doesn’t have all that talent is what you should be asking. And im sure that’s what NC is assessing.

Martz looked like an offensive genius when he had Faulk, Warner and Holt. He looked like an idiot when all those guys retired and or got old and he took over as HC.

Matt Nagy looked great as an OC calling plays with Mahomes, Hill and Kelce. He was utterly clueless as an offensive playcaller and HC in Chicago. Their offense didn’t look anything close to KC’s his entire time there either. All the while Bienemy stepping in his place and now he is looking like the next “it” guy.


As Pitino so eloquently said it 20+ years ago in 1 of the greatest sports quotes of all time as his team was sliding out of the playoff picture “Larry bird ain’t walking through that door fans”.
 
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I've been asked to clarify the interview rules from now through the Super Bowl.

The league restricts certain follow-up interviews. Candidates working for a team knocked out of the playoffs have no further limitation in that regard, but those whose clubs remain alive can only interview again during the bye week between the conference championships and the Super Bowl. Once the coach’s current employer arrives at the Super Bowl city, no additional interview can take place until after the game.
 
Mr teX said:
Biggest mistake fans in general make is thinking that b/c a guy had success elsewhere with better players that they’ll be able to come to a horrible team and duplicate that same success with lesser or even different talents. How many times do you have to see these hotshot young coordinators from loaded teams go to sucky ones and be terrible before you understand that scheme is only part of the equation….& a very small part at that?

That why I dont get the “I want this guy b/c he’s good and runs this scheme with the Rams…or the 49ers and they had success”. Yeah, he is good….with those specific players in that set up….like a lot of guys would be. Tells me very little about him as a coach though. How’s his coaching gonna look when he doesn’t have all that talent is what you should be asking. And im sure that’s what NC is assessing.

Martz looked like an offensive genius when he had Faulk, Warner and Holt. He looked like an idiot when all those guys retired and or got old and he took over as HC.

Matt Nagy looked great as an OC calling plays with Mahomes, Hill and Kelce. He was utterly clueless as an offensive playcaller and HC in Chicago. Their offense didn’t look anything close to KC’s his entire time there either. All the while Bienemy stepping in his place and now he is looking like the next “it” guy.


As Pitino so eloquently said it 20+ years ago in 1 of the greatest sports quotes of all time as his team was sliding out of the playoff picture “Larry bird ain’t walking through that door fans”.
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So how do you set the board, & how do you choose?

I agree, most teams do it wrong. Evidence being most of them don't make a 2nd contract (not that that is a sign of success in O'Briens case)

But what's the right way?
 
Number19 said:
I may have been the first to say I would be OK with McCown and not because of resignation. I disagree with the position that it would be "a colossal bad and embarrassing idea". Whether anyone cares to recognize it, McCown has an out-of-the-box appeal with positive attributes.
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Sounds like a box of Cracker Jacks to me.
 
steelbtexan said:
You cant seem to accept that Culley was hired for a reason and it certainly wasn't to be the long term answer as the HC. Kinda like Porter was never meant to be the long term manager of the Stros.

BTW, IMHO Caserio is looking for his Hinch, a guy that uses analytics in his decision making and has a background in scouting. Somebody that thinks about the game the same as Caserio does. Hopefully Caserio finds his guy and from what I've read this pretty well describes Gannon. Even though I'm hoping for O'Connell.

What I'm happy about is after this hire, for the 1st time in 10 yrs the GM/HC will be on the same page in what type of offense/defense they want to run and the type of talent that needs to be acquired to run their systems. It's been since the beginning of the Kubiak regime since RS/Kubiak were on the same page down on Kirby. Too bad RS went political/rogue on Kubiak.
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Jack Caserio could take a dump in the middle of the Freeway and you would be cool with it. In the NFL, it used to be 5yr plan, but when you see the escalation of teams, young teams, 3 yrs is it. Cincy went from their last playoffs to superbowl in 5 yrs. You know what they didn't do? Hire a 65 yr old puppet and fire him in a year nor did the assemble the 2nd oldest roster in the NFL with cap issues. Miss me with that. You keep those Jack Caserio blinders on.
 
thunderkyss said:
So how do you set the board, & how do you choose?

I agree, most teams do it wrong. Evidence being most of them don't make a 2nd contract (not that that is a sign of success in O'Briens case)

But what's the right way?
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Good question.
Is there a GM out there who is notorious for hiring really good coaches and coaching staff?
 
Dejaview said:
I Believe he hired Culley because of the monumental BS and personell changes needed to eradicate the image of DW and OB. Culley was first and foremost a people person. He by far had the strongest people skills of the HC candidates which is why NC told him it didn’t matter to him if DC had never been a coordinator. From all indications the philosophical differences between the two was over the dogmatism of DC’s run game.
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How can you disagree with a puppet when you're the ventriloquist? Jack Caserio was controlling everything with Culley from day 1. They're basically telling him what to say, what to do, who to play.
 
Double Barrel said:
Wait a dern minuted, I thought this guy was the snake??!

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This is Snake Plissken, and if he can help the president escape from New York, then maybe he can help the Texans escape from Suckville.



Yep. Lots of contrarians here just to be devil's advocates apparently. I doubt many folks truly believe that McCown is qualified in any sort of way to be HC, but at least they will be there to toot their own horns if he wins a few games next season.

Funny thing about folks bragging about the so-called "Koolaid brigade". Do they not know the origin of "drinking koolaide" and that everyone that drank it died after being brainwashed by a lying preacher man? It's odd and being gullible to propaganda is not something that I'd normally be proud of. But, that's just me.
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Who is bragging about the Koolaid brigade? Seems it’s just a label put on fans by miserable folks with no apparent life who hate their bad team and express their hate by living on this board 24-7 to hate on things absolutely controlling them. Not something I’d normally be proud of but that’s just me.
 
leebigeztx said:
How can you disagree with a puppet when you're the ventriloquist? Jack Caserio was controlling everything with Culley from day 1. They're basically telling him what to say, what to do, who to play.
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I actually think the puppet didn't go along with script and that's why Culley was fired.
 
thunderkyss said:
So how do you set the board, & how do you choose?

I agree, most teams do it wrong. Evidence being most of them don't make a 2nd contract (not that that is a sign of success in O'Briens case)

But what's the right way?
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Good ownership
Better then average qb
Better then average scouting department
Strong supporting coaching staff
Draft capital
Cap room

Luck?
 
thunderkyss said:
So how do you set the board, & how do you choose?

I agree, most teams do it wrong. Evidence being most of them don't make a 2nd contract (not that that is a sign of success in O'Briens case)

But what's the right way?
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If I knew the answer to that question, I’d be in someone’s front office. I personally don’t believe there is a right way tho. How I would personally approach it is by seeking out guys considered to be great instructors and teachers of the game. If you look at all the greatest coaches in the history of the game…Lombardi, Brown, Walsh..even Belichick….they were more like/are teachers that could explain to you down to the footstep why they want you to do something a certain way on a play. I think what happens with a lot of these new guys is they gloss over that kind of in depth tutelage that a lot of these young prospects need to develop and/or they hire guys who can’t teach down to that level like that. So obviously these guys have to be good communicators and have a philosophy that dovetails into what I the GM would like to implement as well. They would have to be task masters and be able to convey leadership. experience in a leadership role would be preferred, but not necessarily a hard and fast requirement…Success you had elsewhere, while cool, isn’t even top 3 of the things I’m looking into b/c obviously if I’m looking for a new HC, it means my team sucks and you’re likely not gonna see that type of success…at least immediately.

Broad stuff I know, I just think fans get to locked in on these guys’ success elsewhere and think it’s so easy to just bring that guy in and they can duplicate it. A lot of these guys may be familiar with a scheme, but they’ve never had to implement it from the ground up. Aside from that, you don’t know how much experience they have with it…
 
Jack Burton said:
Good question.
Is there a GM out there who is notorious for hiring really good coaches and coaching staff?
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it’s relative really. Reid’s tree looks good from the standpoint of initial overall success but only 2 of his guys are still currently employed (Harbaugh/McDermott).

Belichick’s tree looks dismal, & his guys have only seemed to thrive under him. But all of his guys are coming back up for 2nd opportunities now so we’ll see how it goes.

i dont believe any of Pete Carrollguys have even got a HC gig…& he’s been in place for damn near 15 years.

Harbaugh is 0-1 if you count Culley under his tree
 
leebigeztx said:
Jack Caserio could take a dump in the middle of the Freeway and you would be cool with it. In the NFL, it used to be 5yr plan, but when you see the escalation of teams, young teams, 3 yrs is it. Cincy went from their last playoffs to superbowl in 5 yrs. You know what they didn't do? Hire a 65 yr old puppet and fire him in a year nor did the assemble the 2nd oldest roster in the NFL with cap issues. Miss me with that. You keep those Jack Caserio blinders on.
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Mike Brown has made plenty of questionable HC hires over the yrs. (Ever hear of David Shula?) Plenty of other ones since then too. I expect the Texans to be true contenders within the next 4 yrs. Maybe even sooner if Derrick can beat the rap and the Texans get the type of talent Badboy/OT think Caserio's going to get in a trade. (Highly unlikely) hope I'm wrong.

Burrow is the key to their success, but having weapons like Mixon/Chase/Boyd/Higgins/Uzomah certainly helps. I'm hoping this offseason Caserio can put a few weapons like this around Mills as well. I would love to see a guy like Pickens or Ross added to the WR corps and find a TE/RB as well as adding a couple of FA/draft picks to help the OL.

This can be done in 1 FA/Draft yr.

What makes you think that I think Caserio can do no wrong? I've pointed out things I would do differently like hiring O'Connell or Lombardi, re-signing DJ etc...

Just because I think Mills is the future and I like the draft/FA strategy Caserio had last offseason doesn't mean I'm a fanboy of his. It means I'm willing to give him a couple of full drafts/FA periods before I begin to judge him. Obviously your mind is already made up. You can disagree with how Culley was treated. 21 mil has a way of letting bygones be bygones. He was never made to be the long term answer and you cant seem to accept this.
 
paycheck71 said:
You think any free agents worth a damn will want to come here? I think it's more likely that we're about to see some draft picks try to pull an Eli Manning and demand a trade before they ever play for the Texans.
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I think Caserio can add 2-4 FA's like Thomas/KGH/Smith a yr, while adding 2 star level players plus 2 long time solid starters from the draft each yr for the next 2 yrs. Maybe even more depending on how the Derrick fiasco turns out. Bottom line is this will all workout fine if Caserio hits on Mills and I like what I've seen from Mills so far. Do you?

Not everybody wants to leave in FA like you suggest. Thomas/Smith have already re-signed and KGH/Kirksey/Martin have said they want to re-sign. Things aren't as bad as the media are making them out to be. IMHO
 
paycheck71 said:
You think any free agents worth a damn will want to come here? I think it's more likely that we're about to see some draft picks try to pull an Eli Manning and demand a trade before they ever play for the Texans.
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No on free agents. Free agents worth a damn are what you start doing big when your on the brink. We are 2 really good off-seasons away from anything worthwhile.
 
powda said:
No on free agents. Free agents worth a damn are what you start doing big when your on the brink. We are 2 really good off-seasons away from anything worthwhile.
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You can still bring in starter level young FA's like Thomas/KGH on the cheap. I think Thomas is much closer to an impact player than a starter level player. Thomas/KGH are both young guy that still have much room to improve too.
 
DBCooper said:
Just to be clear there is only one Snake!

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Don Prudhomme and Jake Roberts might disagree ;)
 
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