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Head Coach Candidate (Lovie Smith Hired) 2/7/22

Lucky said:
To clarify, Zac Taylor was OC at the University of Cincinnati in 2016. Not the Cincinnati Bengals. Taylor was interim OC of the Dolphins in 2015 after HC Joe Philbin and OC Bill Lazor were fired after 4 games.
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I wasn’t implying he was with the Bengals. I just used the abbreviations. I should have clarified.
 
TexansBull said:
Yea. I know. Please don’t confuse my post as an endorsement for McCown.

That’s why I said it’s not an endorsement for anyone. And that’s why I said he was at several places but never an HC.

That should highlight the difference between him and McCown, but bring some similarity between him and Gannon/O’Connel.

I drink the Kool-Aid but stop short of snorting the powder.

I have my limits and self respect.
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Didn’t consider your post as an endorsement. Just clarifying.
 
Jack Burton said:
And that’s why I clarified with his actual resume. The dude did his time and grew and learned along the way, grinding out seasons for years.
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Was he an idiot before his offensive associate position?

For all we know if a team made him their HC in 2012 (say the Giants or WFT) they may have been in the Super Bowl in 2015
 
thunderkyss said:
Was he an idiot before his offensive associate position?

For all we know if a team made him their HC in 2012 (say the Giants or WFT) they may have been in the Super Bowl in 2015
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And yet that didn’t happen. For good reason.
Just making crap up isn’t a reason to hire someone cause he’s from Texas and goes to bible study with the defacto GM.
I see Harbaugh's available for interviews though….
 
Just looked at the NFL Site's HC & GM tracker...Most teams have 8+ interviews, any of which I'd take on this team. Denver, Jacksonville and Chicago each interviewed 11 prospective Head Coaches. These teams are assembling top-shelf coaching staffs, the who's who of veteran HCs to the up and the coming hot prospects. Caserio didn't say it in so many words, but I gleaned from his comments that he was going conduct an exhaustive search and would leave no stone unturned. We've had 6 interviews and are narrowing our choice down to a backup QB with no coaching experience.
I'm sorry but this is depressing.
 
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thunderkyss said:
For all we know if a team made him their HC in 2012 (say the Giants or WFT) they may have been in the Super Bowl in 2015
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thunderkyss said:
I never thought that much of Cutler. I thought he was a worse version of Jake Plummer. I loved me some Plummer... ahhh, if we could have got the Snake in H-Town
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Is there someone other than Kenny Stabler know as the Snake? Stabler was the Oiler's QB 1980 -1981. He was part of the trade which sent Pastorini to the Raiders. Of course Stabler was past his prime.
 
wildroot said:
Just looked at the NFL Sites HC & GM tracker...Most teams have 12-15 interviews, any of which I'd take on this team, and are building top-shelf coaching staffs, and we have 6 and are narrowing our choice down to a backup QB with no coaching experience. It's depressing.
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I think Klint Kubiaks resume is close to Zac Taylor’s when he was hired as the HC of CIN…..
It’s close.

I mean if we’re just throwing possible options against a wall…
 
Speedy said:
OK, but the difference between him and McCown is that Taylor had 7 years doing the grind of being a coach. McCown has zero.
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HC & qbs both grind…I’m not even sure there’s a major difference other than 1 plays and the other doesn’t.

1 of the reason’s teams are so gung ho for qbs…why franchise qb’s are so sought after is b/c if you find a really good one they are basically extensions of the HC on the field. Like HC’s, Those dudes have to know what everybody is doing not just on offense…but defense too just like the HC’s….they also typically are the leaders in the locker room.

Most guys learning to coach have to come up the ranks as position coaches and coordinators b/c they are learning to be leaders of men more than anything else. Qbs…who have played on the highest level or at least college typically already have the leadership part down. it’s why former qbs….more than any other position group wind up being sought out for HC gigs more than any other position….& why they tend to ascend to them faster. Pretty much every year at least a quarter of te league’s HC’s are former qbs & it’s usually higher than that. Hell, Just look at the last 4 teams left in the playoffs. 2 of the 4 HC’s left are former collegiate qbs. 3 of the last 5 SB’s have featured at least 1 HC that was a former QB. And with Cincy making it this year, it’ll be 4 of the last 6. Those guys understand the grind better than anyone and 1-3 years coming up the ranks as a position coach or coordinator ain’t doing much more in the way of helping them become more “qualified” except in the eyes of fans.

Doesn’t mean that they will be successful, but when these owners and GM’s interview these guys, they’re looking for leaders more than anything.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Very, Kubiak could get his dad to help him get some asst coaches. But he hasn't been around very long

Meanwhile after playing for 20 years and 12 teams you can bet McCown has made alot of contacts.

I will say this again for clarity, I don't want McCown as HC.
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I didn't say you wanted to McCown, but think about what you just posted. McCown was a journeyman qb for 20yrs, Kubiak has been in coaching for 10 and his dad also did what McCown did, plus a coach for like 20 years. Coaches would be believe more into what Kubiak is saying vs McCown. Players and coaches would know exactly what offensive system he would run. McCown hasn't even coached high school, nobody has any idea. Not to mention, being a career backup, he's never had any kind of expectations. Minnesota was 17th in rush, 11th in pass, and 14 in scoring with him as oc, and Kirk Cousins at qb. Thats with Dalvin missing 4 games as well as Theilan missing 4 games. Kubiak would bring all them offensive dudes with him. Who McCown gonna bring?
 
Maybe Shanahan *is* overrated. And that's me having the biggest Shanahan boner over the last 10 years.

Absolutely shameful cowardice. Maybe it's not good to get guys from that umbrella.

Fact is even the best coaches are dumb as ****.
 
leebigeztx said:
I didn't say you wanted to McCown, but think about what you just posted. McCown was a journeyman qb for 20yrs, Kubiak has been in coaching for 10 and his dad also did what McCown did, plus a coach for like 20 years. Coaches would be believe more into what Kubiak is saying vs McCown. Players and coaches would know exactly what offensive system he would run. McCown hasn't even coached high school, nobody has any idea. Not to mention, being a career backup, he's never had any kind of expectations. Minnesota was 17th in rush, 11th in pass, and 14 in scoring with him as oc, and Kirk Cousins at qb. Thats with Dalvin missing 4 games as well as Theilan missing 4 games. Kubiak would bring all them offensive dudes with him. Who McCown gonna bring?
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Whoever Jack and Nick tell him too.
 
leebigeztx said:
I didn't say you wanted to McCown, but think about what you just posted. McCown was a journeyman qb for 20yrs, Kubiak has been in coaching for 10 and his dad also did what McCown did, plus a coach for like 20 years. Coaches would be believe more into what Kubiak is saying vs McCown. Players and coaches would know exactly what offensive system he would run. McCown hasn't even coached high school, nobody has any idea. Not to mention, being a career backup, he's never had any kind of expectations. Minnesota was 17th in rush, 11th in pass, and 14 in scoring with him as oc, and Kirk Cousins at qb. Thats with Dalvin missing 4 games as well as Theilan missing 4 games. Kubiak would bring all them offensive dudes with him. Who McCown gonna bring?
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Didn’t Kubiak play Safety at COL ST too?
He’s got defensive knowledge as well.
I’m just not understanding how they would give a guy with literally ZERO experience of any kind whatsoever not one but two interviews, before a whole bunch of guys with vast amounts of experience and then not even look at a guy who has close ties to HOU with his dad and as much NFL coaching experience as Zac Taylor had when he was hired as the CIN HC.
 
Jack Burton said:
Didn’t Kubiak play Safety at COL ST too?
He’s got defensive knowledge as well.
I’m just not understanding how they would give a guy with literally ZERO experience of any kind whatsoever not one but two interviews, before a whole bunch of guys with vast amounts of experience and then not even look at a guy who has close ties to HOU with his dad and as much NFL coaching experience as Zac Taylor had when he was hired as the CIN HC.
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They're the Texans. Expect them to do dumb sh!t and you will never be disappointed. :)
 
steelbtexan said:
If McCown is the pick, then I will be critical of the hire but as a Texans fan I will hope for the best. Whoever the next HC is, is ahead of the game. He's got his QB of the future.
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In all honesty, if the Texans can show a bunch of improvement next year, it won't matter who we've hired. Everyone will like him.

Of course the opposite side of that is we have what we have now, The Dead Team of Clown Town.
 
I’m staying with O’Connell. The Rams offense had the most yards this weekend and did it against one of the best defenses. Another testament for O’Connell’s planning abilities, not to mention he’s on his way to the Super Bowl. I’d like to see Caserio stay laser focused on this HC prospect.

If O’Connell elevates to the #1 target….in all honesty, I don’t see how he wouldn’t get along with Pep Hamilton. They have run similar offenses and have both enjoyed success running their versions of the WCO. Pep has a solid resume with both the offense and working with QB’s. As for Lovie Smith, I don’t think O’Connell could land a better DC in his first opportunity as HC. He can focus on learning the in’s and out’s of being an NFL HC while a couple of veterans handle the offense and defense.

As I mentioned in another post….I could see O’Connell wanting to know how many of his own guys could be added to the coaching staff and where they might fit.
 
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So, umm, I have never played football or have been part of a football team in any way - but: is coaching experience really that important for a HC. I mean sure, it sounds like it is - but don't your coordinators and positional coaches do most the "coaching" anyways. I always envisioned a head coach more like someone, that sets the tone, gives the team a personality, motivates, sets directions and does a lot of talking... I know, that a guy like Vrabel went through the coaching positions - but he seems like a guy that would have succeeded from the start, simply because of who he is and how he knows football.

So I am not against McCown. If he is as impressive in interviews and on account of the people he has worked with, why not give him a chance. It is not like we are competing for the playoffs anytime soon - there are way too many holes in our roster...
 
LikeMike said:
So, umm, I have never played football or have been part of a football team in any way - but: is coaching experience really that important for a HC. I mean sure, it sounds like it is - but don't your coordinators and positional coaches do most the "coaching" anyways. I always envisioned a head coach more like someone, that sets the tone, gives the team a personality, motivates, sets directions and does a lot of talking... I know, that a guy like Vrabel went through the coaching positions - but he seems like a guy that would have succeeded from the start, simply because of who he is and how he knows football.

So I am not against McCown. If he is as impressive in interviews and on account of the people he has worked with, why not give him a chance. It is not like we are competing for the playoffs anytime soon - there are way too many holes in our roster...
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There are other candidates I’d like before him, but I’m not against him b/c of something as murky as “qualifications”. Folks pull that out when they want to d’q you b/c there’s nothing else they can point to. Qualifications have mostly always been what you make of them. No one you’re going to tell me that there’s a huge difference in readiness between Byron Leftwitch (3 total years of prior coaching experience) and a guy like McCown.

But Don’t tell these dudes talking about experience like That’s the only way to know and understand what you’re doing. I actually see HC’s the exact same way as you..b/c that’s mostly their job…managing and leading men…

if you close your eyes and listen to this video…this dude sounds like a coach already; he’s basically already admitted he was in coach mode for the last 4-5 years of his playing career. .
Folks here just need to get ready..& whether that means get ready to sell your PSL’s or get ready to do what you do every year in watching this team, McCown will be here……imo.
 
I wonder if the same people that poo-poo experience would let a butcher perform their surgery. 'Who needs a medical degree or years of training? My butcher has been cutting meat for 20 years. Same thing." How about firing your financial advisor and letting the teenager across the street manage your retirement account? He's big on this stuff call crypto, I hear.
 
Lucky said:
I wonder if the same people that poo-poo experience would let a butcher perform their surgery. 'Who needs a medical degree or years of training? My butcher has been cutting meat for 20 years. Same thing." How about firing your financial advisor and letting the teenager across the street manage your retirement account? He's big on this stuff call crypto, I hear.
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Lucky said:
If that's all there is to it, Tony Robbins would be an excellent head coach.
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Yesterday @Lucky had biscuits for breakfast, today he's on a roll.
 
Lucky said:
I wonder if the same people that poo-poo experience would let a butcher perform their surgery. 'Who needs a medical degree or years of training? My butcher has been cutting meat for 20 years. Same thing." How about firing your financial advisor and letting the teenager across the street manage your retirement account? He's big on this stuff call crypto, I hear.
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I value experience. But there’s a difference between healing & cooking.

Anyhoo, the people that poo-poo experience asked a valid question. What’s the difference between 3 years coaching & 5 years as a player coach?
 
thunderkyss said:
What’s the difference between 3 years coaching & 5 years as a player coach?
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One has spent time playing. The other has spent time coaching.

There's absolutely no argument that can be made for McCown as a head coach. Because he's never coached. So, we argue what is coaching and how difficult it is to learn to be a coach. "I've seen coaching, so I think I've got it. Doesn't look that hard". It's the same mentality that has permeated society. Having knowledge is unpopular and is to be mistrusted, and therefore discounted.
 
Lucky said:
I wonder if the same people that poo-poo experience would let a butcher perform their surgery. 'Who needs a medical degree or years of training? My butcher has been cutting meat for 20 years. Same thing." How about firing your financial advisor and letting the teenager across the street manage your retirement account? He's big on this stuff call crypto, I hear.
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And yet so many on here with no experience with an NFL team at all other than as a fan have all the answers to fixing the team.

:potkettle:
 
Lucky said:
One has spent time playing. The other has spent time coaching.

There's absolutely no argument that can be made for McCown as a head coach. Because he's never coached. So, we argue what is coaching and how difficult it is to learn to be a coach. "I've seen coaching, so I think I've got it. Doesn't look that hard". It's the same mentality that has permeated society. Having knowledge is unpopular and is to be mistrusted, and therefore discounted.
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i've seen/read that mentality a lot these last years
usually ends w/their final post asking for prayers
 
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