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Texans Analyst John Harris 2022 Top 10(now 100) Draft Prospects

Texansphan said:
Would you spend the #3 pick in the draft on a guard?
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You do if you plan on moving Neal to LT after next year.

Texansphan said:
Trade back for Kenyon Green if you want a guard - and pick up another valuable draft pick.
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If you can trade back you do it. But there are no assurances that you can or that your targeted player will be available.
 
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Mr teX said:
Not that his list means anything, but Evan Neal #1 on this dudes list. His freakish abilities show up on tape…Hutchison’s not so much.
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The only thing that doesn't show up is the stupid closing speed like Thibodeaux and the Michigan teammate. and Hutchison has good speed not the elite near WR stuff that a couple other guys have.
 
Lucky said:
Tunsil is under contract for two more seasons, with cap hits at over $26 million per season.
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Good thing is they won't be needing the cap space for a couple of yrs. This is another reason to draft Neal if available.

Prep him next year and have him takeover the LT position in 2023
 
thunderkyss said:
I read someone on this board say move him to RT, then another said to Guard & I was thinking, didn’t we just do this with Howard?

Sure, Neal is more “talented” & will be more successful, but I thought we flat out didn’t like the idea of moving a player around or drafting a square peg & forcing him into a round hole.
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Preference for me is not to move a guy. IMO Howard is nothing but LT. Most can play G next to their position but Howard cannot. Perhaps he hasn't had snaps and coaching to develop there or RT but I think LT is just his spot. Waste of a round one. Only based on minimal plays at LT I feel Howard can progress under Campen. I think Tunsil is going to be traded so I'm mocking Okwonu and Salyer for other positions but can play LT. IIRC Salyer had very high marks in pass blocking on blind side.
 
steelbtexan said:
If Thibodeaux is the pick I will be very happy. He's going to be a great player
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If we’re playing a 4-3 & Thibodeaux is playing a Clay Matthews type role I think he’ll be a difference maker.

I would be happy with Thibodeaux, but not in Lovie’s Tampa 2
 
Mr teX said:
yup…only b/c Neal has the ability to kick out to tackle if we need him to…or if injuries strike along the o-line. If he was only capable of playing guard, then no.
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You got him for 5 years. I’d plan to kick him out to LT before extending Tunsil.

but you have to trade Tunsil before he becomes a FA, or be prepared to tag him. That’s going to be expensive. The receiving team would have to give up a first, but they’d be able to negotiate a long term deal.
 
Texansphan said:
Agree, which is why I think it will result in a quandry and why I don't think Texans will draft him. Unless they move Tunsil before the draft.
You wouldn't draft Neal at #3 unless he was going to be LT else he would be an expensive draft pick for a guard or RT.
The same reasoning applies to Tunsil.
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Tunsil should bring much more than a round one as a play off type team will not find an OT like him in trade up. Miami's 1.22 ish plus Howard and round two.
 
Lucky said:
Please stop replying to my posts with this nonsense. I'm done trying to explain the salary cap to you.
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Explain to me why the cap matters for the next couple of yrs while Caserio is rebuilding the roster? No top tier FA's will want to come to Kirby during the beginning of the rebuild and if Caserio wants to add 2nd tier FA's like KGH/Thomas/Smith etc... he can easily create cap space by cutting some of the 30 FA's he signed last yr. For instance, if he wants to create 6 mil in cap space all he has to do is cut Cannon.

Bottom line is there's plenty of cap space available if Caserio wants the cap space at this point of the rebuild. This really isn't this hard to understand and I believe you understand the concept. You just dont like the way Caserio is doing business. But lack of cap space shouldn't be a reason to not like what Caserio has done so far. This isn't difficult.

We just have different visions of what he rebuild should look like. I'm hoping Caserio does exactly what he did last yr at this point of the rebuild, bring in 20-30 guys in FA on cheap 1-2 yr deals and hope you hit on 3-4 of them. A pretty smart way to do business if you ask me.

Add 3-4 more guys on cheap FA deals like Caserio did last yr, to add to the Thomas/KGH/Smith class of FA's. Then add 4 or 5 guys through the draft, including a couple of difference makers in the draft and the rebuild is well underway.

One big reason I want Caserio to draft Neal is so they can put him at RT, then move him to LT and trade Tunsil after next season. This will save you the precious cap space hat you seem to value more than talent on the team. Honest question, are you a bean counter by profession?
 
steelbtexan said:
Explain to me why the cap matters for the next couple of yrs while Caserio is rebuilding the roster?
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Because whatever you don’t waste, you can roll over. While it will be nice to have $60M in 2023, it will be better if we had $98M.
 
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ArlingtonTexan said:
LTs can hold up until their mid 30s so unless there is truth the rumors/speculation that Tunsil does not want to be a Texans, he lines up there for another 7-8 years (and yes you pay him another contract). Neal has experience at both RT and LG, You draft Neal assuming he is going to be elite at one of those.
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I feel OBrien should have negotiated a 5-6 year deal despite Laremy wanting opportunity for another contract after this one.
 
steelbtexan said:
he can easily create cap space by cutting some of the 30 FA's he signed last yr.
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29 of those guys don’t count on 2022 cap since they were brought in on one year deals.

Caserio is just as much behind the 8 ball this year as he was last year in respect to the cap. Something like 23 players under contract & $32M free cap. He’s going to have to be as creative as he was in 2021 just to fill out a 52 man roster.

Even trading Watson before the league year is not going to get the cap where it needs to be for the 2022 season
 
badboy said:
I feel OBrien should have negotiated a 5-6 year deal despite Laremy wanting opportunity for another contract after this one.
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Probably right. Texans are little bit in no man's land. Trying to trade a huge cap contract or keeping a player who we (fans al least) are not sure of his true commitment. I think the Texans have a better feel concerning the last part of that sentence though ( I hope).
 
thunderkyss said:
I read someone on this board say move him to RT, then another said to Guard & I was thinking, didn’t we just do this with Howard?

Sure, Neal is more “talented” & will be more successful, but I thought we flat out didn’t like the idea of moving a player around or drafting a square peg & forcing him into a round hole.
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Neal has also played RT and RG at a high level before moving to LT last yr. So this is an apples/oranges comparison when it comes to a small school guy like Howard to a guy like Neal, who not only has more god given ability than Howard, but has played a higher level of competition than Howard.
 
thunderkyss said:
29 of those guys don’t count on 2022 cap since they were brought in on one year deals.

Caserio is just as much behind the 8 ball this year as he was last year in respect to the cap. Something like 23 players under contract & $32M free cap. He’s going to have to be as creative as he was in 2021 just to fill out a 52 man roster.

Even trading Watson before the league year is not going to get the cap where it needs to be for the 2022 season
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Which he will do and the team will probably be bad again next yr. That's not a bad thing since the rebuild should include even more high draft picks in 2023. By the 2023 offseason the Derrick fiasco should be solved 1 way or the other. The cap should be cleaned and the cap should also go up by atleast another 20 mil or so.

So by the time the 2023 offseason/draft rolls around there should be plenty of cap space to add premium FA's, 8 to 10 difference makers/solid players from the draft. Another 8-10 KGH/Thomas/Smith type FA's to go along with these guys. This is IF Caserio does his job properly and Mills becomes a franchise QB.

Derrick's the reason the rebuild was forced on the Texans but if the rebuild goes right the Texans will be in much better shape than if they had held onto Derrick and his cap killing contract. What I find hilarious is no QB has ever won a SB taking up more than 15% of the cap and the same posters that are dogging Caserio about what he's doing with the cap were more than willing to go over the 15% threshold for Derrick even though history says with he amount of cap space Derrick would've took up wouldn't ever allowed a Lombardi to happen down on Kirby.
 
thunderkyss said:
Because whatever you don’t waste, you can roll over. While it will be nice to have $60M in 2023, it will be better if we had $98M.
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If you only really needed the cap space.

Like I said, if Caserio needs the cap space there's an avenue for him to get it.
 
Texansphan said:
Interesting.
But if we draft Neal, what do we do with Tunsil?
Trade him, or move Neal to LG or RT, or put Neal in at LT and move Tunsil to RT?
Creates a quandary but trading Tunsil would be nice - maybe pick up another high draft pick or a player to plug a hole?
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Sounds like a good problem to have. Especially if Tunsil gets hurt again.
 
steelbtexan said:
Reactionary moves.

They've never really paid top $$$$ in FA.
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Osweiller got a 4 year 72 million dollar contract. The most spent on a QB in free agency that offseason.

Miller got a 4 year 24 million contract. Second to Doug Martin’s 5 year 35 million contract among RBs in free agency that offseason.

I omitted Jeff Allen from the signings that offseason because Brandon Brooks got a larger per year deal to leave the team (by 1 million per. 8 million vs 7 million).

They have spent money in free agency. They just haven’t been good at it. Save the Jo Jo/Danieal Manning free agency offseason.
 
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TheRealJoker said:
Osweiller got a 4 year 72 million dollar contract. The most spent on a QB in free agency that offseason.

Miller got a 4 year 24 million contract. Second to Doug Martin’s 5 year 35 million contract among RBs in free agency that offseason.

They have spent money in free agency. They just haven’t been good at it. Save the Jo Jo/Danieal Manning free agency offseason.
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They've always been reactionary in FA.

Spending in FA 2 yrs out of 20 isn't exactly comforting.
 
steelbtexan said:
Have the Texans ever spent money in FA?

Get back to me when this changes.
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Probably won’t be getting back to you anytime soon. Earlier you were saying the Texans were too cheap to spend money on top talent than not.

I argued that wasn’t the case since the McNairs have spent a lot of money on their players, generally being at or near the cap year after year.

The situation we are in now is the norm for the Texans. It doesn’t matter who is available in FA or how badly Caserio wants him. He’s been so fiscally irresponsible the only way for him to get those high dollar FAs in 2023 is to be fiscally irresponsible again.

if 2023, or even 2024 was his target to “start” being competitive, he’s gone about it wrong.

& changing his plan, firing Culley a year “early” stresses the situation he put himself in
 
thunderkyss said:
Probably won’t be getting back to you anytime soon. Earlier you were saying the Texans were too cheap to spend money on top talent than not.

I argued that wasn’t the case since the McNairs have spent a lot of money on their players, generally being at or near the cap year after year.

The situation we are in now is the norm for the Texans. It doesn’t matter who is available in FA or how badly Caserio wants him. He’s been so fiscally irresponsible the only way for him to get those high dollar FAs in 2023 is to be fiscally irresponsible again.

if 2023, or even 2024 was his target to “start” being competitive, he’s gone about it wrong.

& changing his plan, firing Culley a year “early” stresses the situation he put himself in
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Like I said by 2023-2024 there will be plenty of cap space available if he needs it. The cap will be going up and if you really need the cap space then let Tunsil walk. Nothing irresponsible about this.

What does firing Culley have to do with FA? Culley was only going to be here 2 yrs at the most anyways?
 
TheRealJoker said:
I know I can find more failed free agency signings if I cared to look, fortunately I dont. Point is, you asked if the Texans ever spent money in free agency. They have.
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There's a difference between spending $$$$ in FA and spending $$$$ on premium FA's.
 
steelbtexan said:
What does firing Culley have to do with FA? Culley was only going to be here 2 yrs at the most anyways?
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If the plan was to puppet Culley for 2 years so he could bring his coach in 2023, firing Culley early means he had to bring his coach in & try to be competitive a year early, 2022.

& if that’s the case he should have just brought his coach in 2021 & let him suffer one bad season.
 
leebigeztx said:
Just asking, why not?
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Not speaking for Steel but I agree with him. My reasoning is i’ve seen this defense with a future HOF game wrecking force at DE. Not saying Hutch/Thib can’t or wont get there but its unlikely they can put up prime Watt production (which still wasn’t good enough).

I’d like to see a generational talent like Hamilton in the secondary. Finally have the cheat code for the matchup nightmare TEs like Kelce/Gronk which you need to go deep in the playoffs. Our Polamalu swiss army knife to absolutely wreck opposing offensive schemes!
 
TheRealJoker said:
Not speaking for Steel but I agree with him. My reasoning is i’ve seen this defense with a future HOF game wrecking force at DE. Not saying Hutch/Thib can’t or wont get there but its unlikely they can put up prime Watt production (which still wasn’t good enough).

I’d like to see a generational talent like Hamilton in the secondary. Finally have the cheat code for the matchup nightmare TEs like Kelce/Gronk which you need to go deep in the playoffs. Our Polamalu swiss army knife to absolutely wreck opposing offensive schemes!
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Who was the generational talent in the secondary of Tampa last year or was the heat from Barrett and JPP too much from KC? You know what has always been the problem for Houston defenses? LB coverage and multiple pass rushers.
You have to be good on multiple levels to be a really good defense. Either the front 7 or back 7. If they evaluate the Oregon or Michigan kid as probably/all pro level pass rushers, you have to draft them. You can never have enough pass rushers.
 
If I had the opportunity to select a generational talent at any position versus solid talent…I’m going with the generational talent.

I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see the Jaguars go with LT- Neal over either DE’s, Thibodeaux or Hutchinson. T & H definitely have the most hype coming into this draft but Neal & Hamilton are the closet to the “can’t miss ring” in this draft.
 
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Mr teX said:
The last “generational” player we took still has yet to amass a double digit sack season. The term is overused. Can’t be generational if every year there 1 of them.
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Clowney was hyped as a freakish player who gained a ton of publicity from a beautiful tackle behind the line of scrimmage. I viewed the Clowney pick as a mistake…..not a generational type of player.
 
leebigeztx said:
Who was the generational talent in the secondary of Tampa last year or was the heat from Barrett and JPP too much from KC? You know what has always been the problem for Houston defenses? LB coverage and multiple pass rushers.
You have to be good on multiple levels to be a really good defense. Either the front 7 or back 7. If they evaluate the Oregon or Michigan kid as probably/all pro level pass rushers, you have to draft them. You can never have enough pass rushers.
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Where was Barrett drafted. You can find pass rushers outside the 1st rd. For instance is Jermaine Johnson or Walker from Georgia that much worse than Hutch or Thibodeaux?

I know Hamilton is going to be a great player and most likely Hutch/Thibs will be too. But the value in this draft is in Neal/Hamilton.
 
steelbtexan said:
Where was Barrett drafted. You can find pass rushers outside the 1st rd. For instance is Jermaine Johnson or Walker from Georgia that much worse than Hutch or Thibodeaux?

I know Hamilton is going to be a great player and most likely Hutch/Thibs will be too. But the value in this draft is in Neal/Hamilton.
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If you can find pass rushers outside the 1st, how come so many go high in the draft? Barrett and JPP where the reasons Mahomes was running for his life. In today's space game, you dont need a Joe Thomas to have a high end line. Remember everyone last crushing Cincy for not take the oline over Chase? Guess what? Burrough got sacked over 40 times, but Chase and Burroughs made Cincy history. I believe with the proper scheme, the oline coach from GB can improve the oline via coaching.
 
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