Number19
Hall of Fame
Why "put" anything on Mills. Accept the situation the Texans are in for what it is.
Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!
Week 5 - Patriots Bowl
- Thread starter Speedy
- Start date
Mills has some attributes .... but in today's game, the trait that Buschbaum used to refer to as "nifty", is so much more important than it was a generation ago. We would call it "elusiveness" .... and Mills doesn't appear to have a ton of it. Tyrod has a fair amount, but I think his is mixed with a very calm mind. Think - Johnny Football, or Maholmes, or even DW4 ! Mills needs the luxury of carrying the clipboard for a while. He can't process all that's happening while finding the alternate target and choosing what kind of ball to throw. He's smart though, he'll get there quicker than many.
And Number19 was right .... our offensive run blocking sucks big time .... especially RT and LG !
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
The Pats famously take away an opponent’s best weapon. That’s a bad thing for the Texans when you consider the dropoff between Cooks and everybody else in terms of being an effective weapon on offense.
This is a good week to get the running game going.
Interesting stat: In terms of yards allowed the Bills, Browns, Panthers and Pats are 1,2,3 and 5 respectively in the NFL.
Points allowed:
Bills (1)
Panthers (3)
Browns (4)
Pats (6)
Its been a rough run of defenses for this offense!
This is a good week to get the running game going.
Interesting stat: In terms of yards allowed the Bills, Browns, Panthers and Pats are 1,2,3 and 5 respectively in the NFL.
Points allowed:
Bills (1)
Panthers (3)
Browns (4)
Pats (6)
Its been a rough run of defenses for this offense!
He did find a way
That's what the massage therapists said.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Too much focus on Mills attributes or lack there of, it’s the system, players around him, lack of continuity, coaching, intelligence of organization top down, with uncertain future. Complain all you want about Mills but that’s not going to help him, the Texans or your game day experience.
I complain about the lack of beer.
That's all I need for the game day experience.
Please send some.
How would you compare Mills to Joe Burrows & Mac Jones?
Texansballer74
The Marine
They wasn’t having this when Tyrod was under center. Therefore, what’s the root caused to all of that? The young very inexperienced quarterback that is.
They didn't play the Panthers or the Bills when Tyrod was under Center.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Missing my point completely.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
There is always room for great beer (great team) over crap beer (bad team) so if your watching Texans no sense wasting the good stuff, it’s just pain killer. If you watch the Chargers, find the best you can, best goes best with the bestI complain about the lack of beer.
That's all I need for the game day experience.
Please send some.
Seriously it really starts with the Head Coach. Herbert performed last year on natural athletic ability and arm strength. Pepe was there as he is for Mills. So his mechanics look solid to me, but it’s as if he is playing on an island. Game planning with Tyrod was money, but for some reason (Mills mobility) they can’t adjust. That’s on scheme and OC Kelly.
To make that jump, 2nd year, QB position requires maturation of a proven system (choose you poison or branch of coaching tree, what the hell are the Texans tree?) then with multiple support systems working towards the same targets. I doubt there is another Staley, building foundation pieces, position coaches who can implement those systems, a GM who listens and having personal, caring relationships with everybody in organization. Once everyone believe’s and are all aboard for common goal, they play harder and harder, believe and results provide the positive feedback.
It’a a process that takes time, like good
You need to re-read beerlover's post.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Is it just a coincidence that Danny Amendola was injured in the first half against the Browns and the Texans offense has been crap since? I guess we’ll find out who was the engine that made the offense go (Tyrod or Danny) on Sunday!
Texansballer74
The Marine
Again Tyrod has a much better understanding of the offense that’s being employed. He had pretty good command of this offense.
Mills a rookie and might I add that it’s understandable that he doesn’t. When they added more to his plate, he couldn’t handle it. Yes the pressure from the Bills top notch defense caused a lot of it as well. But what I saw was a kid who was struggling with reading the defense and a quarterback who struggled passing the ball on all three stages.
Last edited:
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Pats have ruled out Shaq Mason and Trent Brown. The Covid OL will presumably be taken up to gametime. But if the Pats have 4 new OL, that would be a good opportunity to get the pass rush going… Maybe Omenihu going up against backup OL will get him back to his preseason performance!
beerlover
Hall of Fame
They know that. Caserio should have also known that before the season started based off Tyrods injury history. Heck I was telling y’all he would last but a few games, not just game and half.
The F’n point is how ill prepared this organization is and inability to adjust to new paradigm. This team will never go anywhere, not because of Mills but coaching ability (game has passed them by) lower tier talent (virtually all 1st rd picks gone) and front office of Easterby and Caserio.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Of course it’s an organizational thing. But things would’ve been a lot better if a certain someone wouldn’t have demanded a traded or done the outlandish crap he did behind the scenes. These jokers didn’t have much to work with. Because they still have him on the roster and really can’t do much about it this point.
Last edited:
Amendola is an experienced route runner. He provides a good target (that is often open) in the short area that could help a QB.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
So the plan was let Watson stand alone and carry the entire load. Brilliant!
Maybe that’s exactly why he wanted out?
Texansballer74
The Marine
No . The defense is set. Watson would’ve opened up the entire offense. Watson quit because he knew what was going down with him and these sexual assault cases.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
What defense
️ What stars ️ No corner ️ No edge ️ No LB ️ No DT ️ Justin Reid only top notch safety/defensive player and he’s a free agent next season if Texans don’t pay his salary demands. Sorry dude your delusional, have a beer
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
What defense
Justin Reid only top notch safety/defensive player and he’s a free agent next season if Texans don’t pay his salary demands. Sorry dude your delusional, have a beer
The defense held on 3 stands against Buffalo allowing them fg's instead of tds. Could've been far worse then 40- 0.
I don't think anyone's suggesting we're all world on d.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Burrows and Jones are more natural throwers .... whereas Mills seems to be stiffer - more robotic. I think it would be beneficial to Mills to practice "flipping" the ball, from all different positions .... as opposed to going to a rigid, statue-esque position, then releasing the ball. Thirty or 40 years ago, Sonny Jergonsen did a commercial for something or other. While he was talking, a receiver to his right, took off downfield. Jergonsen smiled real big, looked to his left, and lateraled a 25-30 yard spiral - behind his back, to the hands of that receiver. He grinned real big and said "just showin' off" as he walked away. It became a very popular saying for 5 or 10 years ! Point is, there are some guys that are good because they're not interested in doing it perfectly .... they're only interested in results. I think some of the new QBs are going back to more natural techniques that worked for them in other facets of athletic endeavors. Oh .... Aaron Rogers !
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Difficult to say this early isn’t it? At least Herbert had his whole rookie season to evaluate and I get told too early to say he’s a top 10 QB. Four games into His2nd season and he looks top 5….. lol
Burroughs is closing in top 10
Mac looks exactly what BB wants, a system QB with moxie and poise.
Mills is a project in progress.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Its looking increasingly likely the Pats will be out 4 OL. Which will complicate their ability to run the ball and make them rely on rookie Mac Jones to drive the field slowly and methodically without making a mistake against Lovie’s defense.
If the Texans can finally get the running game going against the Pats defense and the Texans D can win the turnover battle against a rookie QB with a patchwork OL the Texans will be able to steal a win.
Here’s to hoping Heck’s insertion into the starting lineup and a more favorable run game matchup than last 3 games helps the team be able to run the ball and keep our own rookie QB from being in situations he’s likely to turn the ball over against an elite pass defense.
With the Pats OL injuries the Texans have a chance to “steal one” this week. But the run game has to get going. Ingram needs to get 20+ carries. The backs ideally combine for 40ish carries and the team has to consistently stay ahead of the sticks to dominate time of posession.
No silly penalties please! Mills, like all other QBs this season, will not get it done against this Pats secondary when faced with 3rd and long situations. They are just too good. But there is opportunity if they can run the ball successfully.
I see this as a low scoring game. I hope Fairbairn’s leg is ready.
If the Texans can finally get the running game going against the Pats defense and the Texans D can win the turnover battle against a rookie QB with a patchwork OL the Texans will be able to steal a win.
Here’s to hoping Heck’s insertion into the starting lineup and a more favorable run game matchup than last 3 games helps the team be able to run the ball and keep our own rookie QB from being in situations he’s likely to turn the ball over against an elite pass defense.
With the Pats OL injuries the Texans have a chance to “steal one” this week. But the run game has to get going. Ingram needs to get 20+ carries. The backs ideally combine for 40ish carries and the team has to consistently stay ahead of the sticks to dominate time of posession.
No silly penalties please! Mills, like all other QBs this season, will not get it done against this Pats secondary when faced with 3rd and long situations. They are just too good. But there is opportunity if they can run the ball successfully.
I see this as a low scoring game. I hope Fairbairn’s leg is ready.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I did not say we were fuckn world beaters on defense. Do not put words in my mouth.
If you actually know football, you would know the darn defense wasn’t/isn’t the freaking problem. But hey I’m done discussing it with you so you really don’t have to reply.
Last edited:
banned1976
sleeper mode
I believe the Texans will score points in this game. Not many, but some.
Texans 10 (a defensive touchdown and a field goal primarily because of a turnover)
Patriots 23
The Texans offense is just bad.
Texans 10 (a defensive touchdown and a field goal primarily because of a turnover)
Patriots 23
The Texans offense is just bad.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The Patriots will be down 4 starting offensive linemen. You really think they will score that much?
I thought two of them were GameDay decisions
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
You're assuming the Texans can generate anything up front even against backups. I'll have to see that first to believe it.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Technically yes. But one is an unvaccinated close contact and the other is vaccinated and tested positive.
Per the NFL’s COVID protocols, if a player is vaccinated and asymptomatic, they are eligible to return when they can produce two negative test 24 hours apart from each other. If a player is unvaccinated, they must be away from the team a minimum of 10 days regardless of symptoms.
Redirect Notice
www.google.com
“New England placed left tackle Isaiah Wynn and left guard on the COVID-19/reserve list, with one player being a not-fully-vaccinated close contact and the other testing positive. It’s unclear which is which.”
So it sounds like the close contact will definitely be out. While the player who tested positive could have their status taken up to gameday IF they can produce a negative test 24 hours apart.
Texansballer74
The Marine
No all of them are a scratch except for the center.
Texansballer74
The Marine
If they can’t generate any pressure, they all need to be let go.
banned1976
sleeper mode
The Texans have given up the second most points in the NFL through 4 games. And 23 points isn’t a lot.
But, I could be completely wrong and the Patriots don’t score a point. That would be nice.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texans on high alert for Patriots' trick plays
By Aaron WilsonOct 8, 2021
Between Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels' long history of trick plays and wide receiver Jakobi Meyers' quarterback background, the Texans' defense is on high alert for deception on Sunday against the New England Patriots.
During a Sunday night loss to Tom Brady and the defending Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Meyers, who converted to wide receiver at North Carolina State after being recruited as a quarterback, completed two passes for 45 yards. That included a 30-yard pass to wide receiver Nelson Agholor to set up a fourth-quarter field goal, going 2 for 2 overall. For his career, Meyers is 4 for 4 for 88 yards and threw two touchdowns last season.
“The Patriots are always good for a couple of gadgets, man," Texans safety Justin Reid said. "I don’t think I’ve played them one time where they didn’t have a gadget play, either on special teams or on their offensive playbook. We know Meyers is a former quarterback.
"We know that they have a phenomenal offensive coordinator. Brilliant mind that’s going to come up with something unique. But a lot of that just comes back to discipline. If something just doesn’t feel right about the play, there’s probably a reason that it doesn’t feel right.”
“Jakobi, he’s got a nice arm and he had some good passes,” Jones said.
By Aaron WilsonOct 8, 2021
Between Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels' long history of trick plays and wide receiver Jakobi Meyers' quarterback background, the Texans' defense is on high alert for deception on Sunday against the New England Patriots.
During a Sunday night loss to Tom Brady and the defending Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Meyers, who converted to wide receiver at North Carolina State after being recruited as a quarterback, completed two passes for 45 yards. That included a 30-yard pass to wide receiver Nelson Agholor to set up a fourth-quarter field goal, going 2 for 2 overall. For his career, Meyers is 4 for 4 for 88 yards and threw two touchdowns last season.
“The Patriots are always good for a couple of gadgets, man," Texans safety Justin Reid said. "I don’t think I’ve played them one time where they didn’t have a gadget play, either on special teams or on their offensive playbook. We know Meyers is a former quarterback.
"We know that they have a phenomenal offensive coordinator. Brilliant mind that’s going to come up with something unique. But a lot of that just comes back to discipline. If something just doesn’t feel right about the play, there’s probably a reason that it doesn’t feel right.”
“Jakobi, he’s got a nice arm and he had some good passes,” Jones said.
Does anyone remember the last time our defense scored?
sometexansfan
Blue Bomber
Thanksgiving when JJ had a pick 6?
banned1976
sleeper mode
It almost happened last week. But no, I don't remember when it actually has happened.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
From what I've been able to discern, it's official.................neither Onwenu or Wynn have passed the Protocol, nor can they tomorrow.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Seems like if the Patriots are to propose 1 big trick play this game, it will be to put together an offensive line that is not a line in name only.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Patriots are truly in desperation mode..............they've called up 3 OLinemen from their PS...........James Ferentz, Will Sherman, and Alex Redmond. I wonder if they're going to call up another QB? PS Gilbert could be a safer choice for tackling dummy than Jones or Hoyer this game.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
40-0 losses tend to keep everyone but the biggest gluttons for punishment off the gameday preview threads the next week
badboy
Hall of Fame
yeah I guess I am a glutton.40-0 losses tend to keep everyone but the biggest gluttons for punishment off the gameday preview threads the next week
I'm kinda heartbroken. All these Patriot injuries & the line hasn't moved. If anything it's opened up. Patriots -9
Texansballer74
The Marine
Naw it’s been about the same. Shoots even before the actual season started fans were way down on this team. Nothing has changed