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Cougars to the Big 12

EllisUnit

EllisUnit

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There is word that the Coogs and 3 other teams will be joining the Big 12 with the departure of Oklahoma and Texas. I am pretty excited as this will help us actually keep good coaches we get and increase the competition they play on Saturday. Also gives them a chance to actually play for a National Championship.
 
This is the first 4 teams: UH, UCF, BYU, and Cincinnati. Which 4 schools would you like to see the BIG12 go after so they could become the BIG16?
 
The Coogs are struggling with the schedule they currently have.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
EllisUnit said:
There is word that the Coogs and 3 other teams will be joining the Big 12 with the departure of Oklahoma and Texas. I am pretty excited as this will help us actually keep good coaches we get and increase the competition they play on Saturday.
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Take Oklahoma & Texas out of the Big12 & it’s not much of a power conference anymore. It pretty much becomes the American Athletic Conference.
 
76Texan said:
UT is overrated . :brando:
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Been overrated. Fact is, even with them lording over the Big 12 and pretty much tilting everything in their favor, they couldn't even win the big 12 with any amount of regularity. Now they move to the SEC & likely will be in the same conference as the team that stayed beating their ass in the Big 12 + other capable opponents. They're primed to become the SEC East version of Tenn/South Carolina...or the SEC west version of Auburn/Ole Miss....schools with great traditions, but not at all credible threats to do anything on the national stage.
 
Lucky said:
But, the Big 12 doesn't have 5 years. Their TV contract expires after the 2024 season. Negotiations will begin much sooner than that. Something positive has to happen soon.
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What I mean is that after these schools are in the Big 12, they'll get a bigger share of TV of revenues than they currently have.
More national exposures can bring in additional gate revenues, merchandise, donations from alumnis.
Money makes more money.

In the meantime, they will be able to recruit better for the whole conference, at least for awhile.

More facilities can be built, better coaches can be attracted, and so on.

But that would need a little time, hence the 5 years; just an arbitrary number really.
 
Mr teX said:
Been overrated. Fact is, even with them lording over the Big 12 and pretty much tilting everything in their favor, they couldn't even win the big 12 with any amount of regularity. Now they move to the SEC & likely will be in the same conference as the team that stayed beating their ass in the Big 12 + other capable opponents. They're primed to become the SEC East version of Tenn/South Carolina...or the SEC west version of Auburn/Ole Miss....schools with great traditions, but not at all credible threats to do anything on the national stage.
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You've got yourself a target on your back now. :brando:
 
steelbtexan said:
I think Sark can do the same thing.

The field has been leveled when it comes to recruiting.

Texas vs A&M will become the new Alabama/Auburn.
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You were to quick for my edit, It goes back to my old adage, if you want to win, hire one person who has proven track record of being able to win more games than most. Jimbo has that pedigree, Sark does not, he's unproven commodity. I disagree that the recruiting field has been leveled. The same coaches always are in the Top 5. Some coaches know how to recruit, some don't.
 
Texian said:
You were to quick for my edit, It goes back to my old adage, if you want to win, hire one person who has proven track record of being able to win more games than most. Jimbo has that pedigree, Sark does not, he's unproven commodity. I disagree that the recruiting field has been leveled. The same coaches always are in the Top 5. Some coaches know how to recruit, some don't.
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This is a very fair post.

I love Jimbo too, he's all about winning.

I believe Sark has the ability to be the offensive HC equivalent of another Saban assistant, Smart
 
You know, A&M and Texas will just have to wrap their minds around the fact that they’ll always be bridesmaids to Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, and Florida. But money has a way of warping one’s self value.
 
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steelbtexan said:
The field has been leveled when it comes to recruiting.
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Imagine if you will that you've a son who is a 5 star recruit and Jimbo Fisher or Nick Saban or Kirby Smart or Dabo Sweeney walk in to your house and have a seat on your sofa to recruit your son. After they point out all of the positives and traditions that Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia and Clemson can do for your son, they also point out what a decision to go to Austin Texas could mean for your son. Like there are more communist and socialist on the 40 acres than in the rest of the state of Texas. A few years in Austin and your son could be subjected to some extreme indoctrination and brainwashing.

Also the head coach can barely win more games than he loses. He was also a drunk and is a recovering alcoholic who could relapse at any moment. He often came to work drunk when he was the head coach at Washington and Southern Cal and was eventually fired from USC for his drinking.

Then there is the city of Austin that is going through a transformation of it's own. Crime is on the rise and the city is defunding the police. Homelessness is rampant and is getting worse. Drugs and drug addicts are begging on every corner and living openly throughout the city and can be seen anywhere and everywhere in the city. College Station, Tuscaloosa, Athens or Clemson could protect him from all of that.

A level recruiting field it is not!
 
Texian said:
Jimbo Fisher. It goes back to my old adage, if you want to win, hire one person who has proven
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yeah, b/c that worked out so well for South Carolina with Lou Holtz...& then Steve Spurrier.....and UCLA with Chip Kelly......and countless other big name coaches who come in with alot of fan fare only to largely flop.

Texian said:
Imagine if you will that you've a son who is a 5 star recruit and Jimbo Fisher or Nick Saban or Kirby Smart or Dabo Sweeney walk in to your house and have a seat on your sofa to recruit your son. After they point out all of the positives and traditions that Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia and Clemson can do for your son, they also point out what a decision to go to Austin Texas could mean for your son. Like there are more communist and socialist on the 40 acres than in the rest of the state of Texas. A few years in Austin and your son could be subjected to some extreme indoctrination and brainwashing.

Also the head coach can barely win more games than he loses. He was also a drunk and is a recovering alcoholic who could relapse at any moment. He often came to work drunk when he was the head coach at Washington and Southern Cal and was eventually fired from USC for his drinking.

Then there is the city of Austin that is going through a transformation of it's own. Crime is on the rise and the city is defunding the police. Homelessness is rampant and is getting worse. Drugs and drug addicts are begging on every corner and living openly throughout the city and can be seen anywhere and everywhere in the city. College Station, Tuscaloosa, Athens or Clemson could protect him from all of that.

A level recruiting field it is not!
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Lol, these kids don't care about all that. They're eyeing the NFL & immediate playing time more than anything. You're so caught up in your own personal biases you can't even see how the game has been changing to level the playing field over these last few years.

Fact is, the kids these days are getting smarter in how they go about the whole recruiting thing too and recognize the way in which this game has been rigged towards the bigger schools. So sure, Saban, Dabo and Jimbo might win the rights for these kids at the outset, but with the new transfer portal, if these kids don't play immediately, they're out of there. & with the exposure and campus facilities that even these non-power 5 schools have, they're not too far behind the Ohio State's & Michigan's of the world. Plus these kids get PLENTY of TV time as well with most of these non-power 5 schools having TV contracts. Now with them being able to profit off their name, image and likeness with this NIL business.....expect there to be more of the same. Its just no longer a necessity for big time recruits to head to these bigger schools for all of that like it used to be back in the day.

And FYI, the University of Houston has had more players taken in the 1st round of the NFL draft over the last 5 NFL drafts than Texas A&M and Texas COMBINED.
 
UH has been investing in their athletic infrastructure for years now. In addition to the new football stadium and the Fertitta Center, there is a new indoor football practice facility and basketball development center. The campus itself is growing and looks completely different from when I was there from 1985-1990. If you have not been by the campus lately, I encourage you to go see it. The new medical school and expanded law school are under construction now.

UH has been blocked from entering the Big12 long enough. I just hope the Big12 can maintain it's status without OU and UT.
 
gwallaia said:
UH has been blocked from entering the Big12 long enough. I just hope the Big12 can maintain it's status without OU and UT.
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UT intentionally kept UH out of the Big 12. UH would have never made it in while UT had influence. At least the Coogs will have a shot at the Horns for a little while, until they run off to the SEC to take annual beatdowns from Bama and LSU.
 
Texian said:
Imagine if you will that you've a son who is a 5 star recruit and Jimbo Fisher or Nick Saban or Kirby Smart or Dabo Sweeney walk in to your house and have a seat on your sofa to recruit your son. After they point out all of the positives and traditions that Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia and Clemson can do for your son, they also point out what a decision to go to Austin Texas could mean for your son. Like there are more communist and socialist on the 40 acres than in the rest of the state of Texas. A few years in Austin and your son could be subjected to some extreme indoctrination and brainwashing.

Also the head coach can barely win more games than he loses. He was also a drunk and is a recovering alcoholic who could relapse at any moment. He often came to work drunk when he was the head coach at Washington and Southern Cal and was eventually fired from USC for his drinking.

Then there is the city of Austin that is going through a transformation of it's own. Crime is on the rise and the city is defunding the police. Homelessness is rampant and is getting worse. Drugs and drug addicts are begging on every corner and living openly throughout the city and can be seen anywhere and everywhere in the city. College Station, Tuscaloosa, Athens or Clemson could protect him from all of that.

A level recruiting field it is not!
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Ja'Tavion Sanders' parents didn't just imagine that, they lived it.

He was offered by Saban and Smart and Day.. and still he chose Sark.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Ja'Tavion Sanders' parents didn't just imagine that, they lived it.

He was offered by Saban and Smart and Day.. and still he chose Sark.
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These guys win a lot more than they lose. Sanders actually chose Tom Herman. This kid may be one of those who wanted to be a longhorn regardless.
 
Texian said:
These guys win a lot more than they lose. Sanders actually chose Tom Herman. This kid may be one of those who wanted to be a longhorn regardless.
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You suggested imagining a scenario..

I merely exercised the scenario in the real world..
 
UT has been trash for years. Mac Brown was a great recruiter, but he sucked at developing talent. UT has had it's pick of the best talent in Texas, but really hasn't done anything with it. When A&M joined the SEC, they started pulling some of that top tier talent. There are always going to be those players that chose to go to UT, simply because it's UT. When UT start's getting their ass handed to them in the SEC, more of the Houston area kids will start looking harder at UH in the Big12, especially if UH starts competing for conference titles.

It's all about exposure. If the kid thinks he has a better chance to start on one team, he is more likely to choose that team.
 
Texian said:
Imagine if you will that you've a son who is a 5 star recruit and Jimbo Fisher or Nick Saban or Kirby Smart or Dabo Sweeney walk in to your house and have a seat on your sofa to recruit your son. After they point out all of the positives and traditions that Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia and Clemson can do for your son, they also point out what a decision to go to Austin Texas could mean for your son. Like there are more communist and socialist on the 40 acres than in the rest of the state of Texas. A few years in Austin and your son could be subjected to some extreme indoctrination and brainwashing.

Also the head coach can barely win more games than he loses. He was also a drunk and is a recovering alcoholic who could relapse at any moment. He often came to work drunk when he was the head coach at Washington and Southern Cal and was eventually fired from USC for his drinking.

Then there is the city of Austin that is going through a transformation of it's own. Crime is on the rise and the city is defunding the police. Homelessness is rampant and is getting worse. Drugs and drug addicts are begging on every corner and living openly throughout the city and can be seen anywhere and everywhere in the city. College Station, Tuscaloosa, Athens or Clemson could protect him from all of that.

A level recruiting field it is not!
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I agree with the 1st and 3rd paragraphs

I understand where you're coming from on the 2nd paragraph but I give guys 2nd chances. Herman did a good job of recruiting but he didn't have asst, coaches that could teach the talent to become better.

After seeing the story about how Vrabel wanted to kick Herman's azz when both were asst. coaches at OSU I would've passed on Herman as HC at UT.

Herman was hold me back/hold me back, Vrabel was let him go. LMAO

This explains where UT football is and has been for the last decade. I've got high hopes for Sark because 1. I'm a UT fan. 2. I think Sark is a QB whisperer and I think he's put together a solid staff who should be able to to recruit and develop these young men.
 
vtech9 said:
It's all about exposure. If the kid thinks he has a better chance to start on one team, he is more likely to choose that team.
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And with the transfer portal, recruiting doesn't stop after the player goes to school.
 
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/TransferPortal/

just look at the numbers already…that’s only going to continue to increase as time goes on. You’re already seeing it happening with NCAA basketball at unprecedented rates..I think once the allure of being recruited and accepted at 1 of these big time schools wears off and these kids realize these big time schools have no real interest in developing them, they come to their senses and want out. As the current system stands, these kids have 0 incentive to not attempt to make it at these big time schools b/c they know they can always transfer out with ease. I think what you’ll see a lot of these kids eventually start to do is just bypassing that stage all together and just going to straight to schools where they’ll more or less be guaranteed to start.
 
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Lucky said:
I don't know why this has to be reiterated. No politics in the Texans Talk forums.
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It was not a political opinion. It was a statement of fact. I did not know the the skin was so thin you could not say the "C" or the "S" words. The University of Texas faculty cringes and protests at the thoughts of the University paying athletic staffs Jimbo Fisher and Nick Saban type monies. Better?
 
At what point will schools realize that chasing money isn’t always the best plan? Winning nothing nor competing for anything will eventually erode a fan base and their enrollments.

The BIG12 could become a highly competitive conference simply b/c 1, 2, or 3 schools won’t be able to horse the talent.

If I were Norte Dame why would I want to join the SEC, BIG10, or ACC? Everyone of the top dogs in those conferences have routinely crushed us on the field of play. As for the BIG12….Norte Dame could be a win-win for both parties. One, their membership probably keeps the BIG12 relevant as a top tier conference along with the SEC, ACC, BIG10, and PAC12.

Only difference, Norte Dame has a dang good chance of being the Alabama of the conference and gives them a strong entrance into Texas.

From a money standpoint, does ND really need the BIG12? Hail no!!! But how many Championships do you get to hang as an Independent? That would be zero unless they win it all. So all money and nothing else….seems sort of empty.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
At what point will schools realize that chasing money isn’t always the best plan? Winning nothing nor competing for anything will eventually erode a fan base and their enrollments.

The BIG12 could become a highly competitive conference simply b/c 1, 2, or 3 schools won’t be able to horse the talent.

If I were Norte Dame why would I want to join the SEC, BIG10, or ACC? Everyone of the top dogs in those conferences have routinely crushed us on the field of play. As for the BIG12….Norte Dame could be a win-win for both parties. One, their membership probably keeps the BIG12 relevant as a top tier conference along with the SEC, ACC, BIG10, and PAC12.

Only difference, Norte Dame has a dang good chance of being the Alabama of the conference and gives them a strong entrance into Texas.

From a money standpoint, does ND really need the BIG12? Hail no!!! But how many Championships do you get to hang as an Independent? That would be zero unless they win it all. So all money and nothing else….seems sort of empty.
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Norte Dame has their own NBC TV contract and they’re not leaving that ….. nor should they. The only real “in” the Big 12 would have with them is they’re the only conference with experience in dealing with a member school having somewhat of a separate TV deal like Texas had with that Longhorn Network nonsense/flop.

Still, everyone’s been trying to get Notre Dame in their conference and they’ve been content to stay clear of all the shuffling… & I can’t say it’s been a bad move for them either considering they get the best of both worlds and ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being included in the championship discussions if they’re remotely close to being undefeated.
 
Mr teX said:
Norte Dame has their own NBC TV contract and they’re not leaving that ….. nor should they. The only real “in” the Big 12 would have with them is they’re the only conference with experience in dealing with a member school having somewhat of a separate TV deal like Texas had with that Longhorn Network nonsense/flop.

Still, everyone’s been trying to get Notre Dame in their conference and they’ve been content to stay clear of all the shuffling… & I can’t say it’s been a bad move for them either considering they get the best of both worlds and ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being included in the championship discussions if they’re remotely close to being undefeated.
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Notre Dame joining the Big 12? Have people lost their minds?

Meanwhile UT keeps on cashing those nonsensical Longhorn Network checks.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
At what point will schools realize that chasing money isn’t always the best plan? Winning nothing nor competing for anything will eventually erode a fan base and their enrollments.

The BIG12 could become a highly competitive conference simply b/c 1, 2, or 3 schools won’t be able to horse the talent.

If I were Norte Dame why would I want to join the SEC, BIG10, or ACC? Everyone of the top dogs in those conferences have routinely crushed us on the field of play. As for the BIG12….Norte Dame could be a win-win for both parties. One, their membership probably keeps the BIG12 relevant as a top tier conference along with the SEC, ACC, BIG10, and PAC12.

Only difference, Norte Dame has a dang good chance of being the Alabama of the conference and gives them a strong entrance into Texas.

From a money standpoint, does ND really need the BIG12? Hail no!!! But how many Championships do you get to hang as an Independent? That would be zero unless they win it all. So all money and nothing else….seems sort of empty.
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Norte Dame doesn’t feel empty.

They have God on their side.
 
steelbtexan said:
Notre Dame joining the Big 12? Have people lost their minds?

Meanwhile UT keeps on cashing those nonsensical Longhorn Network checks.
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didn’t say it was at all likely…in fact I’m a tuly gonna say it’s a unlikely as hell…just saying if there was ANY chance, that’d be the only way…

And UT has a few years left to cash those checks…SEC making them drop that trash network when they enter the SEC.
 
Mr teX said:
didn’t say it was at all likely…in fact I’m a tuly gonna say it’s a unlikely as hell…just saying if there was ANY chance, that’d be the only way…

And UT has a few years left to cash those checks…SEC making them drop that trash network when they enter the SEC.
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I can see UH/A&M fans are still butthurt. UT did what was best for UT with the Longhorn Network. They tried to get A&M to join them but A&M declined. To the power brokers that make the right calls go the spoils.

I dont get why Coog fans hate the Longhorns so badly? I guess it's just a case of simple jealousy?
 
thunderkyss said:
Take Oklahoma & Texas out of the Big12 & it’s not much of a power conference anymore. It pretty much becomes the American Athletic Conference.
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Maybe not quite to that extent, but pretty close.

I know ATM has been gone awile now, but them, UT and OU were your top dogs. Now it's Tech, OK St, and Iowa St? Maybe the next tier of teams is better with UH, Cincy and BYU in the mix but I don't think there's much difference in Baylor, TCU, K St and KU vs Memphis, Navy, Temple, and Tulsa.

That said, you could make an argument that it's pretty comparable to the ACC. Of course you've got Clemson ruling, and schools like Miami and FSU, who haven't done much recently, but the rest are very comparable to the new Big 12. So, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see what the next TV deal looks like. That will say a lot about the future.

But as long as it remains a P5, and with the expanded playoff format coming, a school like UH now having a legit shot, provided they win football games of course, is exciting for a change. It was way harder back in the day when you had to finish #1 in the polls, but UH had a better shot of winning then than they have since those SWC days.
 
steelbtexan said:
I can see UH/A&M fans are still butthurt. UT did what was best for UT with the Longhorn Network. They tried to get A&M to join them but A&M declined. To the power brokers that make the right calls go the spoils.

I dont get why Coog fans hate the Longhorns so badly? I guess it's just a case of simple jealousy?
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lol, the fact that that’s your go-to reasoning…that everyone’s “jealous of us” says it all. Arrogance. And lots of blue-blood schools with storied histories are like that & here lately are more sizzle than steak…but UT along with Michigan are at the top of that list for me. & no amount of money they get or can make justifies them having the sense of entitlement they have. Fact is …the only people that give a rip about Texas like that are longhorn fans…which seems to be enough apparently. Revel in that instead of thinking that everyone’s “jealous” of us b/c you were able to dupe a media giant into believing your university had mass appeal like that. Most of us knew that **** was gonna be a fail. Hell most of the folks I’ve talked to not from the state of Texas don’t even consider “UT” the university of Texas..they think the University of Tennessee 1st…
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…Which is another school that is arrogant as hell and really has no recent reason to be …..although I went to Neyland stadium back in 01’ for Tenn v Arkansas… Very impressive stadium and gameday atmosphere I will say.

last time I went to Austin for a UT game, stadium 60% full, obnoxious ass fans..young emo girls puking all over the bleachers and ****…garbage atmosphere…& I wasn’t even in the student section.
 
Mr teX said:
lol, the fact that that’s your go-to reasoning…that everyone’s “jealous of us” says it all. Arrogance. And lots of blue-blood schools with storied histories are like that & here lately are more sizzle than steak…but UT along with Michigan are at the top of that list for me. & no amount of money they get or can make justifies them having the sense of entitlement they have. Fact is …the only people that give a rip about Texas like that are longhorn fans…which seems to be enough apparently. Revel in that instead of thinking that everyone’s “jealous” of us b/c you were able to dupe a media giant into believing your university had mass appeal like that. Most of us knew that **** was gonna be a fail. Hell most of the folks I’ve talked to not from the state of Texas don’t even consider “UT” the university of Texas..they think the University of Tennessee 1st…
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…Which is another school that is arrogant as hell and really has no recent reason to be …..although I went to Neyland stadium back in 01’ for Tenn v Arkansas… Very impressive stadium and gameday atmosphere I will say.

last time I went to Austin for a UT game, stadium 60% full, obnoxious ass fans..young emo girls puking all over the bleachers and ****…garbage atmosphere…& I wasn’t even in the student section.
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I kind of expected this post.

LMAO
 
The Big 12 is no SEC or Big 10, but how comparable would you say is it to PAC 12 or Mountain West? Not comparing history but current modern competitiveness.
 
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