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[Pick 67] Davis Mills QB Stanford

Speedy said:
Wow! Chase Daniel, 12 years in the league, 5 career starts, $37,000,000 made. I wanna be that in my next life.
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No doubt but he’s a career backup. I believe that’s Book’s ceiling. 76 was throwing around names like Wilson and Brees. I should have also said in my previous post it wouldn’t surprise me if Book ends up out of the league in several years
 
76Texan said:
I've been active here since 2006, when folks were really positive, especially in a community sense.

The tone was much more amiable, even as we disagreed on things.

We had a lot of fun, and we had watch parties when some of us can't be at the games, or the tailgates.

Those were the greatest time I had as a Texans fan; the friendship.

RIP TexansBill.

We had young fans like Garry who was just incredible despite his struggles; his mind and his spirit trumped his handicap.

We had a youngster who was not quite good at writing, but his aspiration was to finish college and become a journalist or something thereabout.

Another youngster, who was an immigrant, probably from India, with similar aspiration.

We encouraged them.

There was a sense of a community.
We had great female participation, too (SheTexan, Diapher, etc. before TexansChick Stephanie).

We had diehard fans from other teams (Eagles and Titans) that frequented here much more than their own board. We had a lot of fun bantering, with mutual respect for one another.
RIP Harry, dear old friend.

Nothing was personal; that's the key.
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Playin on emotions doesnt work dude
 
76Texan said:
Let me tell you something else, steelb.

When I first arrived in Guam, a little island east of the Philippines, at 15, I volunteered in the mess hall, to help serve the people.

When I arrived at the refugee camp in Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, I did the same.
I also volunteered as an English teacher and as an interpreter at the Red Cross station to help process the refugees.

When I came down to Houston; a few years later, I and a friend ran a monthly bi-lingual magazine for children, trying to help them assimilating to the new life, among other things, while in college.

We also staged events to help the boat people let them be forgotten by society.

Compassion is what I learned from years of war; you can't imagine going to sleep with barrages of canon fire.

While I have my business, I also tried to help a few guys with "records" among other young men, none with experience.
Even when my business was just afloat.
Trying to turn them around was my biggest accomplishment rather than the monetary award.

Bragging is not the term.
I didn't need money to do the things I did, my friend..

I've had my days when I barely had anything to eat.
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I appreciate this and I'm sure my brother in law who was stationed in Guam was thankful too.

All of this is great and I still stand by my post. Most people who do great things including myself have flaws. We're human. Lets get this thread back on track and continue the Mills talk.
 
steelbtexan said:
I appreciate this and I'm sure my brother in law who was stationed in Guam was thankful too.

All of this is great and I still stand by my post. Most people who do great things including myself have flaws. We're human. Lets get this thread back on track and continue the Mills talk.
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Has Mills ever been to Guam? I have.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yes everyone is pulling for him, just for different reasons.

Group A: Wants him to succeed

Group B: Doesn’t want him to succeed or doesn’t think he’s a NFL caliber Quarterback.
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I want him to succeed. I don't know if he will. He's not the guy I would have picked for the Texans but what I would have done is irrelevant. Knowing that my opinion about football is meaningless to anyone but myself is the reason I don't argue endlessly about these things.

If there are people that want Mills to fail, I don't think it's as much about Mills as it is about ownership and the front office. There are people pissed off that Easterby is still here and ownership continues to try and imitate the Patriots while openly lying (denying) about it to the fans.
 
How about the #1 overall selections Texans have made (David Carr, Mario Williams, JaDeveon Clowney)?

Far as I can remember, all widely disputed, vilified or accepted to varying degrees of personal taste. Now those who claim to gripe about position/player chosen in 3rd rd, where most become busts anyway, are treating Mills as a Bust or a hill too steep to climb. Not his fault, Texans didn’t have first or second round slot in the 2021 NFL Draft. So he is being treated like he was a first, but that he will bust out because where he was slotted (3rd). I swear we’re all damaged from the past two decades, just hope he is exception to the rule!
 
beerlover said:
treating Mills as a Bust or a hill too steep to climb.
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I’m not saying too steep to climb. I’m saying most who try fail. I’m still rooting for him to successfully scale the dang thing.

I don’t think he should be on the active roster at any time this season. Instead, run the scout team, participate in the QB meetings & be prepared to compete for an active roster spot in 2022.

I think playing this season under any circumstance would be detrimental to his long term success.
 
thunderkyss said:
I’m not saying too steep to climb. I’m saying most who try fail. I’m still rooting for him to successfully scale the dang thing.

I don’t think he should be on the active roster at any time this season. Instead, run the scout team, participate in the QB meetings & be prepared to compete for an active roster spot in 2022.

I think playing this season under any circumstance would be detrimental to his long term success.
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The Texans will have 3 QB’s to run things in 2022. Mills should get his opportunity to compete for the starting job…..if it doesn’t work out QB in RD1 of the 2023 draft would be the priority.

I’m betting the majority of the 2022 picks on defense.
 
I have absolutely nothing against Mills. My beef is at the 87th 67th pick the most athletic OL in draft was on the board. A player who will likely be in the league for more than 10 years and make a few Pro Bowl teams. That is my idea of rebuilding a better team. Not drafting the 8th QB selected in the 3rd Rd. My frustration was only compounded by the fact that there is a high probability the Texans will be picking 1st or 2nd in next years draft and another good probability there will be a couple of QBs available that will knock your socks off. I do prefer planning for the future vs living in the moment. The fact that Mills coach, David Shaw said Mills was fairly accurate was not reassuring considering how fairly would translate to the NFL.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I appreciate this and I'm sure my brother in law who was stationed in Guam was thankful too.

All of this is great and I still stand by my post. Most people who do great things including myself have flaws. We're human. Lets get this thread back on track and continue the Mills talk.
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Well Steel I will add you to the very, very short list of people I know, even just been acquainted with who have done great things, so I'm genuinely curious - what great things have you done sir ?





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beerlover said:
How about the #1 overall selections Texans have made (David Carr, Mario Williams, JaDeveon Clowney)?

Far as I can remember, all widely disputed, vilified or accepted to varying degrees of personal taste. Now those who claim to gripe about position/player chosen in 3rd rd, where most become busts anyway, are treating Mills as a Bust or a hill too steep to climb. Not his fault, Texans didn’t have first or second round slot in the 2021 NFL Draft. So he is being treated like he was a first, but that he will bust out because where he was slotted (3rd). I swear we’re all damaged from the past two decades, just hope he is exception to the rule!
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The thing is, we've griped about 3rd round picks before. Mills is not unusual in that. 3rd round picks have been a bone of contention, and a major topic of conversation for Texans fans for at least as long as the beginning of Rick Smith's time as GM. A lot of us recognize that hitting on those mid-round picks is fairly important in building a strong nucleus for the team. Just like those unheralded 2nd, 3rd, even 4th wave free agents. As much as you need those high impact skilled position players, it's also important to build depth/rotation along the trenches and contributors on special teams. Of course, the Texans also need starters, too.
 
banned1976 said:
The thing is, we've griped about 3rd round picks before. Mills is not unusual in that. 3rd round picks have been a bone of contention, and a major topic of conversation for Texans fans for at least as long as the beginning of Rick Smith's time as GM. A lot of us recognize that hitting on those mid-round picks is fairly important in building a strong nucleus for the team. Just like those unheralded 2nd, 3rd, even 4th wave free agents. As much as you need those high impact skilled position players, it's also important to build depth/rotation along the trenches and contributors on special teams. Of course, the Texans also need starters, too.
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Different regime buddy.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The Texans will have 3 QB’s to run things in 2022. Mills should get his opportunity to compete for the starting job…..if it doesn’t work out QB in RD1 of the 2023 draft would be the priority.

I’m betting the majority of the 2022 picks on defense.
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Set aside for a minute the round Mills was selected, don't most experts think rookie QB should sit and learn that season? What 3 quarterbacks do you see in 2022 for the Texans?
 
Texian said:
I have absolutely nothing against Mills. My beef is at the 87th pick the most athletic OL in draft was on the board. A player who will likely be in the league for more than 10 years and make a few Pro Bowl teams. That is my idea of rebuilding a better team. Not drafting the 8th QB selected in the 3rd Rd. My frustration was only compounded by the fact that there is a high probability the Texans will be picking 1st or 2nd in next years draft and another good probability there will be a couple of QBs available that will knock your socks off. I do prefer planning for the future vs living in the moment. The fact that Mills coach, David Shaw said Mills was fairly accurate was not reassuring considering how fairly would translate to the NFL.
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I’m sure it’s just a typo, what you really meant was with the 67th pick not the 87th?

Just a hunch, but you maybe high on Brady Christensen BYU, hardly most athletic tackle in the draft and will have to kick inside with his 32” arms. I got a lot more exposure to this OL class than I ever did with the Texans because the Chargers made commitment to their OL in free agency and the draft, while sending they’re OL coach packing all the way to Houston. Offensive lineman are among the safest picks in most drafts especially early on. 3rd rd 4th hell even 5th & 6th you can find starters.

Maybe Mills is a stab in the dark? But Tyrod Taylor is not the answer and they already have a clipboard holder in Driscoll. I like the move to go get a QB with more upside than what they currently have on the roster.
 
beerlover said:
I’m sure it’s just a typo, what you really meant was with the 67th pick not the 87th?

Just a hunch, but you maybe high on Brady Christensen BYU, hardly most athletic tackle in the draft and will have to kick inside with his 32” arms. I got a lot more exposure to this OL class than I ever did with the Texans because the Chargers made commitment to their OL in free agency and the draft, while sending they’re OL coach packing all the way to Houston. Offensive lineman are among the safest picks in most drafts especially early on. 3rd rd 4th hell even 5th & 6th you can find starters.

Maybe Mills is a stab in the dark? But Tyrod Taylor is not the answer and they already have a clipboard holder in Driscoll. I like the move to go get a QB with more upside than what they currently have on the roster.
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Yes, typo.

I like Meinerz because he can play G and OC. Meinerz also handled the best the Senior Bowl had to offer. Christensen was not there. Also BC is 24 because of his LDS commitments.

Did you miss the part where I wrote, "a high probability the Texans will be picking 1st or 2nd in next years draft and another good probability there will be a couple of QBs available that will knock your socks off". If we're going to take a stab in the dark, I prefer making that stab where odds are much more in your favor, while putting a potential a 10 yr pro bowler in my pocket. One less position to fill later. The quicker you fill your pocket with good players, the better your team will be. Tyrod, Davis or Jeff will not make a difference in 2021, regardless.
 
Texian said:
Yes, typo.

I like Meinerz because he can play G and OC. Meinerz also handled the best the Senior Bowl had to offer. Christensen was not there. Also BC is 24 because of his LDS commitments.

Did you miss the part where I wrote, "a high probability the Texans will be picking 1st or 2nd in next years draft and another good probability there will be a couple of QBs available that will knock your socks off". If we're going to take a stab in the dark, I prefer making that stab where odds are much more in your favor, while putting a potential a 10 yr pro bowler in my pocket. One less position to fill later. The quicker you fill your pocket with good players, the better your team will be. Tyrod, Davis or Jeff will not make a difference in 2021, regardless.
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Mienerz is a small school phenomenon. His tape is not fail safe, hard evidence he can have the same impact in NFL. Love his anchor and strength in the hole, see him making it @ Center, if he does. 2021 QB class is heads and shoulders above 2022 class with Mills sneaking through the cracks. Wonder where he would have been drafted (most feel 1st rd.)? Why not get that value now @ position of need?
I’ll wager by end of season Mills will be the Houston starting QB, FYI
 
Texian said:
Carr and Clowney were Bob McNair picks, Williams was a Charlie Casserly pick. I give Casserly props because he didn't select Reggie Bush and because that draft was the Texans best.
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Carr was a Bob McNair pick however Clowney was selected because Romeo wanted him and had the pull to do it. Williams was a Casserly pick, even if he wouldn’t be around to see him fit in the right package.
 
beerlover said:
Carr was a Bob McNair pick however Clowney was selected because Romeo wanted him and had the pull to do it. Williams was a Casserly pick, even if he wouldn’t be around to see him fit in the right package.
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I do think Bob McNair's South Carolina connections are reasons so many guys from South Carolina and the Clemson trash has infected the team.
 
badboy said:
Set aside for a minute the round Mills was selected, don't most experts think rookie QB should sit and learn that season? What 3 quarterbacks do you see in 2022 for the Texans?
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I do believe the Texans can sign both on the cheap and carry the same group in 2022….provided Mills is the one carrying the torch as QB1 in 2022 or at some early point.
 
IDEXAN said:
Well Steel I will add you to the very, very short list of people I know, even just been acquainted with who have done great things, so I'm genuinely curious - what great things have you done sir ?





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Great things are subjective.

I try to give back to others every chance I get.

You should talk to others on that I've helped when they've asked me to help. Even in small ways or just sharing knowledge.
 
banned1976 said:
I want him to succeed. I don't know if he will. He's not the guy I would have picked for the Texans but what I would have done is irrelevant. Knowing that my opinion about football is meaningless to anyone but myself is the reason I don't argue endlessly about these things.

If there are people that want Mills to fail, I don't think it's as much about Mills as it is about ownership and the front office. There are people pissed off that Easterby is still here and ownership continues to try and imitate the Patriots while openly lying (denying) about it to the fans.
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Some dont have issues with hiring the Foxboro guys.
 
steelbtexan said:
Great things are subjective.

I try to give back to others every chance I get.

You should talk to others on that I've helped when they've asked me to help. Even in small ways or just sharing knowledge.
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You are for sure a great man Steel !
 
steelbtexan said:
Some dont have issues with hiring the Foxboro guys.
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There have been so many Foxboro guys that have earned all of the disrespect they deserve. It was Bob Kraft that threw Nick Caserio and his draft board under the bus, not me. I believe what my eyes and ears are telling me and Bob Kraft about the Patriots overall draft failures of the past five years. Patriots draft seemed to improved dramatically after Eliot Wolf came on board.

Then again Eliot is a child prodigy who by the time he was 30 had spent more time in draft war rooms than most GMs spend in their lifetime. That and he was mentored by 2 HOF GMs so I'm not surprised by the Patriots outstanding draft this year and Texans disappointing draft. Kraft's complaints about Caserio's draft prep was definitely on display in Houston Texas for everyone to see. Except of course for the Kool Aid Brigade because the Kool Aid they drink blinds them from this reality. :)
 
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Texian said:
There have been so many Foxboro guys that have earned all of the disrespect they deserve. It was Bob Kraft that threw Nick Caserio and his draft board under the bus, not me. I believe what my eyes and ears are telling me and Bob Kraft about the Patriots overall draft failures of the past five years. Patriots draft seemed to improved dramatically after Eliot Wolf came on board. Then again Eliot is a child prodigy who by the time he was 30 had spent more time in draft war rooms than most GMs spend in their lifetime. That and he was mentored by 2 HOF GMs so I'm not surprised by the Patriots outstanding draft this year and Texans disappointing draft. Kraft's complaints about Caserio's draft prep was definitely on display in Houston Texas for everyone to see. Except of course for the Kool Aid Brigade because the Kool Aid they drink blinds them from this reality. :)
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I too was impressed by the Pats draft and wanted Wolf to be the GM of the Texans. With him being a legacy, you have to wonder why he isn't already a GM and why he's bounced around so much. He's obviously talented.

I liked Caserio's draft. I guess it's a matter of expectations but I'm hoping for 2 starters out of this draft and I think Collins and Jordan have the ability to be starters. As well as Mills and I like the fact that Caserio gambled on a high upside guy like Mills.

As far as Kraft goes, why did he fight so hard to keep Caserio if this is truly the way he felt? Jilted lover syndrome? Or massage parlor envy?
 
steelbtexan said:
As far as Kraft goes, why did he fight so hard to keep Caserio if this is truly the way he felt? Jilted lover syndrome? Or massage parlor envy?
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The obvious reason as to why Bob Kraft fought to keep Caserio is it was after Nick had done most of his preparation of setting the Patriots 2020 free agency plans and the Pats NFL draft board. Bob simply didn't want that Patriot information out of the building. As we all know, top level secrecy is the Patriots Way.

A second reason is after so much success Bob Kraft and his Patriots became complacent. After hiring Eliot Wolf as a consultant maybe Wolf explained to Kraft there was a major flaw in the way Nick Caserio was approaching free agency and setting up the Patriots draft board. Wolf showed Kraft there was a much better way to do this. Kraft bought in and change the Caserio way of preparing for free agency and the draft. The results were dramatic and why Kraft felt he could throw Caserio under the bus for Pats FA and draft failures and disappointments over the previous 5 years.
 
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Texian said:
It was Bob Kraft that threw Nick Caserio and his draft board under the bus, not me. I believe what my eyes and ears are telling me and Bob Kraft about the Patriots overall draft failures of the past five years. Patriots draft seemed to improved dramatically after Eliot Wolf came on board.
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I suppose there are different ways of measuring success. I hear what you are saying. & I get what Kraft is saying. But it's hard to say Caserio did a poor job when he was in Foxboro.

He built several championship teams. Of course it's easy to do when you have Belichick & Brady on your team. & removing Brady changes how that team needs to be constructed.

But the fact remains, he built several championship teams.

Do you think Wolf will construct a championship team in the next five years? I mean he's got Belichick.
 
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