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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

I don't doubt it, but why?

Most likely the NFL will not suspend him. I say this because they haven't & plenty of time has passed.

The Texans most likely won't suspend him... I mean they canceled mini camp. Most probably for another reason, but y'know, optics.

So far the only plausible reason he won't play this year is because he doesn't want to.... or better yet, because he doesn't want to play for Houston & they can't/won't trade him.
It was not long ago that I posted asking why the NFL had not done something and many stated it was a done deal. Yet we've hadn't heard from NFL not even questioning him yet. That is curious..unless they couldn't find evidence in the four civil claims they interviewed. I feel Texans have played this as well as they could.
 
So I ask when, as there's been plenty of time.

Then you say after it plays out in court.

I say that's not going to be until the summer of 2022.

& somehow he's not playing in 2021.

I'll put it plainly. The NFL doesn't appear to want to stop him from playing in 2021.



Yes.

I think you think more about the situation than the NFL owners do.

The NFL hasn't lifted a finger. I don't think they're going to.
There are some on here who want things to happen with DW the way they think it should. Like Woodpecker keeps banging his beak whether there is anything in the tree. Just enjoys his own noise despite others saying how annoying he is. If Woodpecker ever quit the only thing missed would be the noise..
 
NFL hasn’t done anything yet and won’t until they have to. They don’t want to put him on the exempt list and pay him after his trade demands. No they don’t. They have requested the police reports.
Over 30 women have made a claim of some sort against DW. Isn't that personal conduct that is against the NFL image? That should be more than enough to kick him out of the NFL Even if he were to be found innocent. Yet they have not disciplined him or as I understand even interviewed him.
 
Odds are that he will be at the very least fined are suspended. Buzzbee was waiting for TC to drop the hammer. And it's close now
What hammer? I understand the wait for training camp but to do what? What else can Buzzbee say? It seems to me that all of his accusations have not pressured Watson to do anything.
 
Why do y’all continue to say evidence in these type of cases? You’re not going to have evidence in these type of cases unless some dummy records the act. This is a he said she said thing. Her word against his. Then the amount of women who have come forward.
 
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No it’s not happening. It would have happened before the draft.
Detroit, Philly, Panthers and Miami still need QBs with WFT, NYG, DENVER and Raiders being discussed as possible QB destinations for QB. A trade is still possible even if for 2022 playing time for #4. Edit: I forgot Atlanta.
 
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This still doesn't mean you should use a position of power to try to force women to have to choose between doing something they feel uncomfortable doing, or risk damaging their businesses.
If DW4 was calling on high priced call girls than he risked damaging his reputaion just the same. Both he and the high priced call girls had some risk involved in their actions. It boils down to who would blink first. I am sure the threats went both ways.

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If DW4 was calling on high priced call girls than he risked damaging his reputaion just the same. Both he and the high priced call girls had some risk involved in their actions. It boils down to who would blink first. I am sure the threats went both ways.

Insta-hookers? Sites say they expose 'Instagram models' who are really prostitutes | Fox News

This is an apples/oranges situation.

Unless you think all 35 or so were prostitutes. Which after reading the SI article I dont believe this to be the case.
 
Beat me to it. No evidence...so far that we know of. DW must be feeling pretty good. I'm waiting for Hardin to file counter suits as he did with Roger Clemens. Put some pressure on the other side.
Buzbee will have no fear of that scenario. Any such suit in these cases are likely to be immediately laughed out of court.
To win a suit for malicious prosecution, the plaintiff must prove four elements: (1) that the original case was terminated in favor of the plaintiff, (2) that the defendant played an active role in the original case, (3) that the defendant did not have probable cause or reasonable grounds to support the original case, and (4) that the defendant initiated or continued the initial case with an improper purpose.
 
Buzbee will have no fear of that scenario. Any such suit in these cases are likely to be immediately laughed out of court.
I don't think Hardin would expect to win any more than he did when he filed against Brian McNamee. Info says lawsuit did rattle the defendant. I don't imagine most people like to be sued.
 
Over 30 women have made a claim of some sort against DW. Isn't that personal conduct that is against the NFL image? That should be more than enough to kick him out of the NFL Even if he were to be found innocent. Yet they have not disciplined him or as I understand even interviewed him.
Discipline would come closer to the season, as to wait and see if any criminal charges come before that
 
Discipline would come closer to the season, as to wait and see if any criminal charges come before that
I would wait for criminal charges also but if what Watson did is viewed as bad as many here proclaim and I personally think it is, why wait? The longer it waits the worse it looks to the public. Isn't that public perception what the NFL is desirous of Protecting? Not trying to debate you or be argumentative.
 
I would wait for criminal charges also but if what Watson did is viewed as bad as many here proclaim and I personally think it is, why wait? The longer it waits the worse it looks to the public. Isn't that public perception what the NFL is desirous of Protecting? Not trying to debate you or be argumentative.

The general public doesn't pay attention during the offseason.. Things don't get real for the NFL until the cameras are on.. and even then the general public doesn't really pay attention to anything these days. Attention spans are at a all time low.
 
The general public doesn't pay attention during the offseason.. Things don't get real for the NFL until the cameras are on.. and even then the general public doesn't really pay attention to anything these days. Attention spans are at a all time low.
But isn't that the pressure or hammer as someone said that Buzbee is counting on?
 
Buzbee and the plaintiffs will score a hollow victory and nothing else. Nothing will come of the criminal investigation. I of coarse am speculating but I just doubt any real evidence will be found.
 
Buzbee and the plaintiffs will score a hollow victory and nothing else. Nothing will come of the criminal investigation. I of coarse am speculating but I just doubt any real evidence will be found.

If there were enough evidence for an indictment I believe it would've happened by now. Maybe a new witness comes forward with new evidence but short of that I think this is purely a civil matter today.

I am ofcourse speculating as well.

July 27 is the start of training camp. Next landmark for dw, the Texans, and the NFL to navigate...
 
If there were enough evidence for an indictment I believe it would've happened by now. Maybe a new witness comes forward with new evidence but short of that I think this is purely a civil matter today.

I am ofcourse speculating as well.

July 27 is the start of training camp. Next landmark for dw, the Texans, and the NFL to navigate...

The NFL didn't start their investigation on Ezekiel Elliott until the following year. That's when they suspended him for 6 games.

There's a report out there that says Watson's court day will be after the Superbowl
 
If there were enough evidence for an indictment I believe it would've happened by now. Maybe a new witness comes forward with new evidence but short of that I think this is purely a civil matter today.

I am ofcourse speculating as well.

July 27 is the start of training camp. Next landmark for dw, the Texans, and the NFL to navigate...
Grand juries take time. First the DA would need to decide if they want to bring to a jury. Second, the jury needs to be seated. So those jury summons that you receive in the mail, etc. also, Harris County courts are VERY backed up right now.
 
The NFL didn't start their investigation on Ezekiel Elliott until the following year. That's when they suspended him for 6 games.

There's a report out there that says Watson's court day will be after the Superbowl

I'm speaking purely about criminal charges and not any action from the nfl. I saw the report about court after the sb to.
 
Grand juries take time. First the DA would need to decide if they want to bring to a jury. Second, the jury needs to be seated. So those jury summons that you receive in the mail, etc. also, Harris County courts are VERY backed up right now.


In Texas courts have up to 180 days to indict. That doesn't mean they regularly take that long. We're at roughly 90 now based on what we know. Did witnesses approach law enforcement before this became public? Could be far more then 90 days. Idk.

But that isn't why I think the way I do. In sexual assault cases you typically have hard evidence or you don't. If they had a smoking gun it would be undeniable and it (dw's arrest) would've happened by now.

I could be wrong.

I'd think the sheer number of victims would obligate any da to work faster to prevent new victims.
 
Grand juries take time. First the DA would need to decide if they want to bring to a jury. Second, the jury needs to be seated. So those jury summons that you receive in the mail, etc. also, Harris County courts are VERY backed up right now.
another reason for a DA to hesitate on taking case if evidence weak. As you have said, criminal evidence requirement different. She said he said probably not enough. If recordings exist, that should have leaked. Makes me doubt it exists. Maybe Hardin not as dumb as some have said.
 
There's a lot of BS in that "overview" of compulsive sexual behavior.
For example what % of the 25 year-old male population in our society is preoccupied with thoughts of getting laid ?
I dunno but I feel safe in saying it's a significant F'ing # ! Most likely enough guys to say one is not freaky with such a preoccupation.
25 years young or not, the so called female massage therapist DW4 had sex with as well as the others he was accused of sexually assaulting, smacks of a compulsion and can not simply be looked upon as him being a normal young man with a high sex drive.His behavior in regards to these women makes him more than just a horny young man.

Why the preoccupation with female massage therapist on instagram when there are many other means to have his needs met? I don't remember who brought that up to me. I agree that it makes no sense.

For some reason it was through female massage therapist on instagram that he chose to have his sexual urges taken care of. He must have felt that instagram was the best way for him to disguise his illegal activities. As I said, he hired whores on instagram who use the site as a convenient cover. Instagram Models: The Difference Between Whoring and Prostitution - BlogPh.net

With all the risk involved with having unprotected sex and so many people getting STD's such as HIV, "which is the worst of them," it is obvious that sex addiction is real or why would anybody take those risk? Condoms are safe more times than not but there is still no guarantee when it comes to using them. The only way to assure you are safe is to practice abstinence or satisfy yourself.

I doubt DW4 has a substance abuse problem but it could be that his actions were fueled by one or more mind altering substances.
 
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This is an apples/oranges situation.

Unless you think all 35 or so were prostitutes. Which after reading the SI article I dont believe this to be the case.
When reading the Fox News article on Instagram Models, I tend to think there is some validity in that as well. As much as if not more than the SI article.

It appears that there is a lot more to instagram than many people think there is. While it is hard to believe that all DW4's accusers are in actuality prostitutes, I also think it is possible DW4 was under the false impression some of them were when he made advances on them.

SI's article claims DW4 made threats to some of the women but it is just as likely that they also threatned him. A lot of the women I am sure are innocent of prostitution but somewhere in all of this there was a tit for tat with many of these women who are prostitutes.

I can see where many of the women know each other or at least they know of each other and they refer others in their "profession" to clients who they think will pay well. I think a lot of these so called massage therapist are not what they seem to be. How many I don't know, but it seems there were enough of them that DW4 got his signals crossed.

DW4 could probably have ended all this had he came clean about his actions right from the start, but he obvisouly would rather put up a fight in hopes he can clear his name.

What it all leads to is DW4 will most likely have to pay a hefty price for his involvement with many of these women but any time in jail will not happen due to a lack of evidence.
 
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For some reason it was through female massage therapist on instagram that he chose to have his sexual urges taken care of. He must have felt that instagram was the best way for him to disguise his intentions. As I said, he hired whores on instagram who use instagram as a convenient cover. Instagram Models: The Difference Between Whoring and Prostitution - BlogPh.net

Not surprisingly, it seems that a strong taste for Instagram models goes back quite a while.

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Taste does not necessarily mean tasteful.

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In Texas courts have up to 180 days to indict. That doesn't mean they regularly take that long. We're at roughly 90 now based on what we know. Did witnesses approach law enforcement before this became public? Could be far more then 90 days. Idk.

But that isn't why I think the way I do. In sexual assault cases you typically have hard evidence or you don't. If they had a smoking gun it would be undeniable and it (dw's arrest) would've happened by now.

I could be wrong.

I'd think the sheer number of victims would obligate any da to work faster to prevent new victims.
Not true all the time. Many sexual assault cases in Texas don’t have hard evidence and folks are still charged
 
another reason for a DA to hesitate on taking case if evidence weak. As you have said, criminal evidence requirement different. She said he said probably not enough. If recordings exist, that should have leaked. Makes me doubt it exists. Maybe Hardin not as dumb as some have said.
Grand juries can and in Sexual Assault cases do indict without hard evidence. Especially in Harris County. If the officer deems the complainant to be credible and reliable. Then it goes forward.
 

That means he will be out for the balance of the 2021 season. He will be getting a paid vacation.”

Watson isn’t scheduled to give his deposition until February 2022, which would be a few days after the Super Bowl. Maller explained why this timeline could wipe away the next two seasons for the quarterback.

“A trial date would be sometime in May of 2022 and it might not be until early June, which means the trial would go through June and part of July. Training camp opens in July,” Maller said. “The NFL does not give out time served. Which means when the trial happens, if Deshaun Watson is found guilty in the civil court — and remember the standards is much lower in civil court than criminal court — then the NFL has to come back and say, ‘well, bad news, we’ve got to punish him.'”

More than 20 women have accused the Houston Texans QB of sexual misconduct and assault during massages that date back to March 2020.
 

That means he will be out for the balance of the 2021 season. He will be getting a paid vacation.”

Watson isn’t scheduled to give his deposition until February 2022, which would be a few days after the Super Bowl. Maller explained why this timeline could wipe away the next two seasons for the quarterback.

“A trial date would be sometime in May of 2022 and it might not be until early June, which means the trial would go through June and part of July. Training camp opens in July,” Maller said. “The NFL does not give out time served. Which means when the trial happens, if Deshaun Watson is found guilty in the civil court — and remember the standards is much lower in civil court than criminal court — then the NFL has to come back and say, ‘well, bad news, we’ve got to punish him.'”

More than 20 women have accused the Houston Texans QB of sexual misconduct and assault during massages that date back to March 2020.

The price Cal has to pay for getting in bed with a Pervert.
 
More than 20 women have accused the Houston Texans QB of sexual misconduct and assault during massages that date back to March 2020.
Is DW4 wealthy enough to pay them all a substantial amount of money? Based on how much he is noted to be worth, I would say paying off more than 20 women is really not all that many. I doubt he will pay enough to be anywhere near going broke.

I realize all it takes is one woman to be victimized which is more than enough, but the SI articles alone do not prove that DW4 did what he has been accused of. I do think there is enough women corroborating with one another that in the least DW4 will be paying quite a bit of money to his accusers!

At this time it does not seem he will see any jail time. I realize that DW4 going to prison for a substantial amount of time is what many on this forum are hoping for, but I just do not see it happening. Once a hefty price has been offered I think Buzbee will buzz off and find another flower to pollinate.
 
Also, think about this. The DA’s office first when the news broke stated they hadn’t received any forwarded complaints about Watson. Then a few days later declined to comment, out of fairness to everyone.
OK thought about it and then thought again. They said they didn't have and few days later declined..
So? I took that to mean they didn't and then when asked again later they declined to answer..as they should have at first.
Please clarify what I am missing.
 

That means he will be out for the balance of the 2021 season. He will be getting a paid vacation.”

Watson isn’t scheduled to give his deposition until February 2022, which would be a few days after the Super Bowl. Maller explained why this timeline could wipe away the next two seasons for the quarterback.

“A trial date would be sometime in May of 2022 and it might not be until early June, which means the trial would go through June and part of July. Training camp opens in July,” Maller said. “The NFL does not give out time served. Which means when the trial happens, if Deshaun Watson is found guilty in the civil court — and remember the standards is much lower in civil court than criminal court — then the NFL has to come back and say, ‘well, bad news, we’ve got to punish him.'”

More than 20 women have accused the Houston Texans QB of sexual misconduct and assault during massages that date back to March 2020.
What I got from that was....

"IF"
 
What I got from that was....

"IF"

Maybe so but like I said and posted yesterday, it took the league a year to bring down the hammer on Ezekiel Elliott. That was for one woman who filed on him with the local police department. Watson has 11 cases filed on him with HPD. Elliot was found to be not guilty.

There’s a ex football player serving time as we speak for sexual assault. His name escapes me right now.
 
Maybe so but like I said and posted yesterday, it took the league a year to bring down the hammer on Ezekiel Elliott. That was for one woman who filed on him with the local police department. Watson has 11 cases filed on him with HPD. Elliot was found to be not guilty.

There’s a ex football player serving time as we speak for sexual assault. His name escapes me right now.
I agree that the number of alleged victims is significant but I'm not sure if saying that Watson's accusers outnumber Elliott's 20 to 1 and therefore it has anything to do with how long it will take for an decision.

I in no way am comparing Watson's and Ezekiel Elliott's situations. In the following link I did a quick scan which was probably a mistake however it seems like the NFL made several errors and as others have claimed has no idea how to create nor Follow a disciplinary procedure.

I can see how the issue of deshawn Watson can continue for a couple of seasons. I can also see how it could be Reasonably quickly resolved.
 
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OK thought about it and then thought again. They said they didn't have and few days later declined..
So? I took that to mean they didn't and then when asked again later they declined to answer..as they should have at first.
Please clarify what I am missing.
Because something in those few days changed. They were okay saying we don’t have any complaints. Then that changed once they received them
 
Because something in those few days changed. They were okay saying we don’t have any complaints. Then that changed once they received them
Sorry but I think you're overthinking it. On the 2nd go around it could be as simple as a higher ranked person Deciding that nothing should be said about what is being reviewed.
 
Maybe so but like I said and posted yesterday, it took the league a year to bring down the hammer on Ezekiel Elliott. That was for one woman who filed on him with the local police department. Watson has 11 cases filed on him with HPD. Elliot was found to be not guilty.

There’s a ex football player serving time as we speak for sexual assault. His name escapes me right now.
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Grand juries take time. First the DA would need to decide if they want to bring to a jury. Second, the jury needs to be seated. So those jury summons that you receive in the mail, etc. also, Harris County courts are VERY backed up right now.
Back in the 1990s I served on a grand jury. It is probably different now but back then I served for 2 months. It was not every day though. If I remember correctly I was actually in court for about six days. I assume they rotated other grand juries on the days when we were not there.

Back then it only took nine out of twelve to get a "True Bill" which means there will be a trial. If 9 jurors could not agree it was a "No Bill" which meant there was no trial.

I never saw a defense attorney at the proceedings only the prosecutors. Also we only had felony cases. The cases went very fast compared to trials. In six or seven days I probably heard about 25 cases.

It was an interesting experience for me. I worked for AT&T so I was payed for the days I missed work and the county payed me 40 dollars a day.
 
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Not true all the time. Many sexual assault cases in Texas don’t have hard evidence and folks are still charged

Some sexual assault CASES don't have "sure fire evidence." Almost all sexual assault CONVICTIONS do.

With a celebrity like dw and a national spotlight, no da's going to haphazardly do anything without concrete evidence. If they had said evidence, dw would already have new bracelets.
 
You've got a good point. Times appear to be changing, so we'll just have to see to what extent when the dust settles.

I'm basing my predictions on NFL history, but if they really are about sending a message now, then this case will reveal it if he's found guilty of any of the charges.

And it'll be interesting to see how the NFL responds if the result is out-of-court settlements with NDA's from all of the women, so he's not found guilty but the image is tarnished.

The overlooked question here is whether the demographic that would most care about this, women for the most part, make up a large enough part of the NFL’s audience now for them to be able to ignore it.

In the past football was very much a guy sport and that was the primary audience so the NFL was more able to sweep it under the rug because let’s be honest their target audience for the most part didn’t care what a guy did off the field as long as the team was raking up wins.

I have heard though that the audience of the NFL is now as much as 47% women. Those numbers aren’t official of course but if it’s even close to that it’s to big a chunk for them to ignore. I think that’s the main reason for the radio silence, they are trying to gage where the line is now for their audience because if they are to far under the line they risk losing a highlight reel making player, which they need, and if they go to far over the line they risk losing a large part of their audience, which they also need.

As odd as the comparison is we recently saw this with the kneeling and national anthem. The NFL misjudged their audience and as a result took a huge PR and ratings hit they have still not fully recovered from. They know they can’t take another hit like that so soon after so their answer is to do nothing till they are forced to.
 
They know they can’t take another hit like that so soon after so their answer is to do nothing till they are forced to.
Why shouldn't they let this all play out a bit more as opposed to making a rash decision? If the evidence is conclusive it won't matter who their fans are, they will be forced to act accordingly. If nothing happens on the HPD's end than any punishment they hand out will be based on the outcome of the civil cases.
 
I’m curious as to what y’all’s definition of hard evidence is. Do you think most cases have rape kits or something like that?
 
Why shouldn't they let this all play out a bit more as opposed to making a rash decision? If the evidence is conclusive it won't matter who their fans are, they will be forced to act accordingly. If nothing happens on the HPD's end than any punishment they hand out will be based on the outcome of the civil cases.

Did I ever say they should make a rash decision? The problem with your argument is that its from a fan outlook and not a business outlook. Why do you think Watson lost pretty much all his endorsement deals, because the optics look bad and businesses don't want to be tied to even the allegation. The NFL is still taking a hit on this, if you think they aren't then you haven't really been paying attention, but they have run the numbers and decided the current hit they are taking is less severe than the possible hits they could take.
 
Did I ever say they should make a rash decision? The problem with your argument is that its from a fan outlook and not a business outlook. Why do you think Watson lost pretty much all his endorsement deals, because the optics look bad and businesses don't want to be tied to even the allegation. The NFL is still taking a hit on this, if you think they aren't then you haven't really been paying attention, but they have run the numbers and decided the current hit they are taking is less severe than the possible hits they could take.

Plus there are no games being played right now, no eyes on TVs. There’s no reason for the NFL to do anything right now, and if Watson is true to his word about being done with the Texans, they may not have to do anything come time for camp and the season.
 
Did I ever say they should make a rash decision? The problem with your argument is that its from a fan outlook and not a business outlook. Why do you think Watson lost pretty much all his endorsement deals, because the optics look bad and businesses don't want to be tied to even the allegation. The NFL is still taking a hit on this, if you think they aren't then you haven't really been paying attention, but they have run the numbers and decided the current hit they are taking is less severe than the possible hits they could take.

Yep. Nailed it with your point about losing his endorsements. The optics of marketing are not the same as judicial outcomes.

The optics of situations is where the so-called "court of public opinion" matters.

Can you imagine opposing fans if he's allowed to play before all of this is settled? The NFL will be forced into doing something.

Plus there are no games being played right now, no eyes on TVs. There’s no reason for the NFL to do anything right now, and if Watson is true to his word about being done with the Texans, they may not have to do anything come time for camp and the season.

I honesty don't expect him to be a man of his word and I fully expect him to weasel out by showing up to training camp and forcing the NFL's hand. He most likely wants nothing more than to be placed on the CEL so he can still get paid while not playing for the Texans.
 
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