frethack
Rookie
I did read it carefully. He had to declare for the draft in January...if you read my post carefully.
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TxnsJuggernaut1
All Pro
Not to mention risking injury/injuries or for that matter having a season that would lower his draft stock lower than it was this season. No matter his reasoning, to me it was smart for him to come out this season. As far as the talk of him being a first rounder next season, there was no consensus in regards to that. It is not like everybody was saying if he stayed one more season in Stanford he could be seen as a can't miss prospect.
Also the Covid risk was a good reason for him to forego his final season in college.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
I'm a realist not a cheerleader with pom poms. I can't pretend when I know better. Not all fans are like and behave like you. Some of us know and accept the fact that Cal is not really Santa Claus.
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College players face deadline today to declare for the 2021 NFL draft
This includes FCS-level players who are still participating in their season
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Look here lost one.....there’s a time to get behind a team and then there’s a time to be critical. I’ve definitely had my critical days and there’s been more days than not where I wanted to trade off every asset and start over.
Been a Houston Oilers/Texans fan since 69’ so you just might understand my above statement.
As for you.....you’re just too far out in LF to be rational. It appears to me that if the Texans don’t execute their plan in conjunction with your way of thinking...everything is going to go to shite in a handbag.
But it certainly escapes me as to which football franchise you successfully lead to the playoffs or the Super Bowl? Remember, Madden doesn’t count.
That's what I said.
A first round pick possibility was thrown around by a certain person in the NFL, nobody knows if it was a smokescreen or the guy was doing a favor for Shaw or whatever.
But some here like what they hear and spread it like wild fire.
However, the Covid concern was unfounded for a supposedly "smart" guy.
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TxnsJuggernaut1
All Pro
I did not intend to say a certain person. I am sure it is a mixed bag of people who said he could be a first round pick next season. Had it been a consensus than I am sure Mills would have more of a reason to stay his final season in college.
Point being, taking him when we did was not that big of a risk. He has plenty of potential. That is worth trying to tap into. If we have the kind of season most of us expect, we may hit on a Qb in next seasons draft. If nothing else, Mills is not a total bust but we may want to draft his competiton and see where that leads.
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I'm a realist not a cheerleader with pom poms. I can't pretend when I know better. Not all fans are like and behave like you. Some of us know and accept the fact that Cal is not really Santa Claus.
Cal is a trust fund kid.
Hopefully he's better at hiring/firing (He's already proven he's better firing people than his dad.) I've got no faith in Cal but I do like that he's shaken up the FO as well as the on field staff. I dont like that he mandated hiring a minority candidate but I fully understand why he did, now knowing that he knew what was going on whith the DW4 perversion.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Hopefully our new quarterback Whisperer Pep will be able to coach up Mills and any other QBs that end up on this roster. To address another part of your post in my opinion a first-round pick in 2022 would not have been spent on Davis Mills. There should be several quarterbacks in the first round that we would select before him whom have much better foundations to build on.
There are different issues that we've all been "arguing" about Mills' situation.
The player himself, which I think is a game manager, and I'm tired of game managers; I want a play maker, a gamer.
Secondly, NC's strategy of picking such a QB with a high third round pick when he could have drafted an OT/G (Jalen Mayfield, my proposed choice; he was taken a spot right after Mills; there's another one taken at 70) or a Center (a few other posters' choice) or an edge rusher (Joseph Osai taken at 69; some other posters' choice).
Then there's the matter of whether Mills should have gone back to school, and for what reason(s) - pros and cons.
Some believe that Mills would be a first rounder if he goes back to school, but still thinks it's smart to declare this year.
To which I respond that he would be losing a LOT of money. The difference could be $10-20M; it could be even a whole lot more on the second contract.
Peyton Manning went back (though he didn't need to).
Justin Herbert did; which I thought was the right decision; he needs to improve his game and he needs to show that he can be trusted to be the franchise QB. It worked out very well for him.
Mills should have done the same. He needs to play even more than Herbert.
He wasn't even the best QB in the Pac 10.
That would be this guy:
Kedon Slovis College Gamelog | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Check out Kedon Slovis's College Gamelog and More College Stats at Sports-Reference.com
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At the moment, there are at least 3 guys (maybe 4) that I think are ahead of Mills if he comes back to school, and that doesn't even count d'Eriq King (Miami), who is a shorter Lamar Jackson.
I think he's a better passer than Jackson in college, but I don't know how his small stature would pan out in the Pro.
For me, if a guy you draft doesn't have much of a chance to be a top 10 QBs within 2-3 years; the pick is a waste.
'Cause, like I said, with such a short career for players nowadays; you need new starters continuously and quickly, on a rookie contract.
There are different issues that we've all been "arguing" about Mills' situation.
The player himself, which I think is a game manager, and I'm tired of game managers; I want a play maker, a gamer.
Secondly, NC's strategy of picking such a QB with a high third round pick when he could have drafted an OT/G (Jalen Mayfield, my proposed choice; he was taken a spot right after Mills; there's another one taken at 70) or a Center (a few other posters' choice) or an edge rusher (Joseph Osai taken at 69; some other posters' choice).
Then there's the matter of whether Mills should have gone back to school, and for what reason(s) - pros and cons.
Some believe that Mills would be a first rounder if he goes back to school, but still thinks it's smart to declare this year.
To which I respond that he would be losing a LOT of money. The difference could be $10-20M; it could be even a whole lot more on the second contract.
Peyton Manning went back (though he didn't need to).
Justin Herbert did; which I thought was the right decision; he needs to improve his game and he needs to show that he can be trusted to be the franchise QB. It worked out very well for him.
Mills should have done the same. He needs to play even more than Herbert.
He wasn't even the best QB in the Pac 10.
That would be this guy:
He's two years younger than Mills and he was already a play maker as a freshman (against much better defense than what Mills faced in 2019; not as much in 2020, but still better defenses overall.)Kedon Slovis College Gamelog | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Check out Kedon Slovis's College Gamelog and More College Stats at Sports-Reference.com
At the moment, there are at least 3 guys (maybe 4) that I think are ahead of Mills if he comes back to school, and that doesn't even count d'Eriq King (Miami), who is a shorter Lamar Jackson.
I think he's a better passer than Jackson in college, but I don't know how his small stature would pan out in the Pro.
For me, if a guy you draft doesn't have much of a chance to be a top 10 QBs within 2-3 years; the pick is a waste.
'Cause, like I said, with such a short career for players nowadays; you need new starters continuously and quickly, on a rookie contract.
The fact that you like King as an NFL QB says it all.
I dont like Slovis either.
There are only 2 QB's I like in next yrs draft more than Mills as of right now.
Rattler/Strong.
Where did I say I like King as an NFL QB?
As for Slovis, unless he gets injured or something, I'm willing to bet he'll get drafted in the first two rounds.
I want to say first, but it's probably better to hold that off for a few more months.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I think it’s fine to take everything Nick does with a grain (lump) of skepticism around these parts. He comes from the same organization that brought us Bill O’Brien and Jack Easterby. I think that’s enough to be in from a position or healthy skepticism. But it’s not just about those two. It’s the parade of other failures to come out of the Patriots.
And then it was the process of how Nick Caserio got here. I don’t feel the Texans conducted a thorough search for GM. I feel like they passed on more qualified candidates because the McNair’s are still enamored with everything Patriots. But the thing is, it’s not been a huge success story over there from a FO perspective for some time now.
And then it was the process of how Nick Caserio got here. I don’t feel the Texans conducted a thorough search for GM. I feel like they passed on more qualified candidates because the McNair’s are still enamored with everything Patriots. But the thing is, it’s not been a huge success story over there from a FO perspective for some time now.
frethack
Rookie
College players face deadline today to declare for the 2021 NFL draft
This includes FCS-level players who are still participating in their season
Mar 1
For some reason, I was thinking Mills was still an underclassman. March 1st was the last date for seniors to use their last year for eligibility. Its very late in the process to announce if you intend on raising your draft stock. He declared in December, which I think was the best decision for him. Despite what David Shaw and a few others think, Mills probably was not going to be a first round pick in 2021. Not just because of the possibility of a COVID shortened season, but because he has never consistently shown first round decision making.
Most likely, he never makes an impact in the NFL and we select another QB in 2022. Dont take my defense of his decision to declare as an endorsement of his ability. He made a sound decision, and was selected about where he should have been. His draft status probably would not have improved much in 2022, and he had already finished his degree.
He does have upside, talent, and a little athleticism, but he hasnt proven that he can put it together.
Texian
Hall of Fame
In your days of your Houston melancholy and depression I was not here telling you to turn in your Houston fan card and find another. Even on days like today and your obsessions with me discussing the Houston Texans dumpster fire and train wreck I never thought about calling you mentally ill. It has never occurred to you that I might be right. I pretty much have been since 2010. I have warned you that days like this were coming. So I'm telling you now we are just entering into the worst period in Houston Texans history. The darkest days will be here for the next 3 to 4 years. It's a process that we must go thru before the Houston fan base and general public will demand that the McNair's sell the team. It's really as easy to understand as 2 + 2 = 4. It's just that simple.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I agree that Mills, at this stage of his career, will be a game manager. I also think that the offensive scheming will be in this direction.There are different issues that we've all been "arguing" about Mills' situation.
The player himself, which I think is a game manager, and I'm tired of game managers; I want a play maker, a gamer.
Secondly, NC's strategy of picking such a QB with a high third round pick when he could have drafted an OT/G (Jalen Mayfield, my proposed choice; he was taken a spot right after Mills; there's another one taken at 70) or a Center (a few other posters' choice) or an edge rusher (Joseph Osai taken at 69; some other posters' choice).
Then there's the matter of whether Mills should have gone back to school, and for what reason(s) - pros and cons.
Some believe that Mills would be a first rounder if he goes back to school, but still thinks it's smart to declare this year.
To which I respond that he would be losing a LOT of money. The difference could be $10-20M; it could be even a whole lot more on the second contract.
Peyton Manning went back (though he didn't need to).
Justin Herbert did; which I thought was the right decision; he needs to improve his game and he needs to show that he can be trusted to be the franchise QB. It worked out very well for him.
Mills should have done the same. He needs to play even more than Herbert.
He wasn't even the best QB in the Pac 10.
That would be this guy:
He's two years younger than Mills and he was already a play maker as a freshman (against much better defense than what Mills faced in 2019; not as much in 2020, but still better defenses overall.)Kedon Slovis College Gamelog | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Check out Kedon Slovis's College Gamelog and More College Stats at Sports-Reference.com
At the moment, there are at least 3 guys (maybe 4) that I think are ahead of Mills if he comes back to school, and that doesn't even count d'Eriq King (Miami), who is a shorter Lamar Jackson.
I think he's a better passer than Jackson in college, but I don't know how his small stature would pan out in the Pro.
For me, if a guy you draft doesn't have much of a chance to be a top 10 QBs within 2-3 years; the pick is a waste.
'Cause, like I said, with such a short career for players nowadays; you need new starters continuously and quickly, on a rookie contract.
Your other points are a waste of time. Arguing just to be arguing. I just don't see any point in arguing the past. At the least it builds up frustration, discontent and is not healthy.
OK, so you would prefer the Texans have a play maker as a QB. But this is not the reality of the situation and is beyond your control, so why raise your blood pressure?
Number19
Hall of Fame
This puts me in mind of someone who is always frustrated and mad at the world and at life and simply can't stand people who have a positive outlook on life.
Football is just entertainment. If it's not entertaining, find something else. Go fishing.
As long as 50,000 fans are entertained by a football game on Sundays and fill the stadium, it is unlikely the McNair's will sell the team. Live with it.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Cheering for a dumpster fire and rooting for a train wreck is just plain stupidity. Trying to be right in life is more important to me than having someone blow smoke up my hiney. But if that is your ooh la la have it. I've never been a fan of piss poor and mediocrity.
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Get a starter with the high third pick or trade for future asset.
My blood pressure is good. Knock on wood.
Also, as I posted in the DM's thread, I'd rather have Ian Book late in the 4th Rd.
He's a play maker.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Well if that’s the way you feel, why are we here?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
For me.....this is just a fun hobby/game that I’ve enjoyed playing and following since I was a 6 year old kid. Now, if Cal McNair were to reach out and request, Opto.....I need you here stat to correct this train wreck, then and only then would I take everyone of my thoughts seriously b/c at this point it’s not just about me it’s about turning this shite-show into a winner.
See, I can’t change what the McNair’s or Caserio do with this team since I’m nothing more than a fan........but I’m a fan who tries his best to view everything as a glass half full but there are times when I’ve seen the glass as half empty.....I guess it goes with the terrirtory.
Yep, since Dimitroff made it to a SB
Or Robinson made it to an AFCCG.
It should be comforting that Belichick wanted to hold onto Caserio vs letting those 2 guys walk.
Well it's good to know we should value your opinion over Shaw's.
Do I get to use this logic in the draft thread when somebody uses the line, they're professionals and they know more than we ever will?
I actually agree with this post and it's very doubtful that as long as the McNair's own the team the Texans will ever win anything. As a fan I have hope as of right now Cal will admit he's a dumazz and totally let Caserio do whatever he wants to do on the football side of things. Hopefully this will lead to championships. Do I think Cal will do this? Not a chance.
But I do like the housecleaning of the roster Caserio has done. Gotta bottom out before it gets better. This is why I called this the lost decade. With DW4 the Texans would've never bottomed out and would've been mediocre at best for the rest of the decade. Now atleast there's hope. Even if you cant find it in your fandom to see it.
What I find funny is Mills tested athletically better than DW4 did. Has a better arm according to Shaw but cant be a play maker.
Shaw is in the NCAA rank.
The Vikings and the Buccs took different guys even though Mill's game fits with what they do on offense.
Take your own advice; they know more than you ever will.
Again, take your own advice.
What was Mills WL record in college?
What was Watson's?
I’m waiting for an act of God, like the Rams when they came out of nowhere to dominate for three or four years
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
He is hoping that enough people read his posts and then storm NRG to take over the team.
It hoping McNair reads his posts and decides to sell the team. Someone who knows football, is a proven winner, and has a couple billion dollars to buy the team.
Because all of that is realistic in his mind.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Thinking that you are going to convince a billionaire to sell a team worth billions is more dumber.
“Trying to be right in life is more important to you.”
Interesting.
I wonder what lengths this guy will go to “trying to be right” because it’s the most important thing to him?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I think God is a Tom Brady fan.
TxnsJuggernaut1
All Pro
NC is not expected to fix all the problems ailing our team going into this season.There are different issues that we've all been "arguing" about Mills' situation.
The player himself, which I think is a game manager, and I'm tired of game managers; I want a play maker, a gamer.
Secondly, NC's strategy of picking such a QB with a high third round pick when he could have drafted an OT/G (Jalen Mayfield, my proposed choice; he was taken a spot right after Mills; there's another one taken at 70) or a Center (a few other posters' choice) or an edge rusher (Joseph Osai taken at 69; some other posters' choice).
Then there's the matter of whether Mills should have gone back to school, and for what reason(s) - pros and cons.
Some believe that Mills would be a first rounder if he goes back to school, but still thinks it's smart to declare this year.
To which I respond that he would be losing a LOT of money. The difference could be $10-20M; it could be even a whole lot more on the second contract.
Peyton Manning went back (though he didn't need to).
Justin Herbert did; which I thought was the right decision; he needs to improve his game and he needs to show that he can be trusted to be the franchise QB. It worked out very well for him.
Mills should have done the same. He needs to play even more than Herbert.
He wasn't even the best QB in the Pac 10.
That would be this guy:
He's two years younger than Mills and he was already a play maker as a freshman (against much better defense than what Mills faced in 2019; not as much in 2020, but still better defenses overall.)Kedon Slovis College Gamelog | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Check out Kedon Slovis's College Gamelog and More College Stats at Sports-Reference.com
At the moment, there are at least 3 guys (maybe 4) that I think are ahead of Mills if he comes back to school, and that doesn't even count d'Eriq King (Miami), who is a shorter Lamar Jackson.
I think he's a better passer than Jackson in college, but I don't know how his small stature would pan out in the Pro.
For me, if a guy you draft doesn't have much of a chance to be a top 10 QBs within 2-3 years; the pick is a waste.
'Cause, like I said, with such a short career for players nowadays; you need new starters continuously and quickly, on a rookie contract.
I don't think we can determine this season if NC made poor choices in the draft or free agency.
Being a third rounder, Mills will not have too high of expectations.
We will most likely get an early first round pick next season and if we can trade DW4 at that time, "which I expect,' I can see bringing in another young gun Qb to compete.
In a perfect world Mills will seriously impress us and he will take over the starting role. None the less, I don't think anybody is expecting that coming from a Qb drafted when Mills was drafted. NC may have made better choices in regards to the draft this season but so far I can not place too much judgement on him. Let us at least see if a culture shift has us going in the right direction and look forward to real improvements next season.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Somebody has to piss on the dumpster fire.
Texansballer74
The Marine
If I felt that strongly about a team in that way, I would find another team to cheer for.
Texian
Hall of Fame
That's you.....I'm not you. I'm not a fair weather fan.
Texansballer74
The Marine
SMH no comment.
TxnsJuggernaut1
All Pro
I don't know what crap you are expecting to unfold. We are coming off of a terrible season. Not too far from rock bottom. NC is not trying to reinvent the wheel. He is not doing anything big this season or trying to fill holes with a limited draft. NC will have a bit more to work with next season when he has a better idea of what direction he needs to go with the team and we have more and higher draft picks. His multiple moves this season was a matter of throwing mud at the wall to see how much of it sticks. He is getting a feel for the team and changing first and foremost the chemistry through a lot of competition.
If you expected NC to fill holes and make wholesale changes I can see why you are upset. I feel NC is doing everything with a purpose and by design. The time to fill holes and make any kind of substantial moves is next season.
I don't question your support of the team but I think your concerns are being wasted on what is basically a throw away season. At least in regards to the teams won, loss record. I think we should be glad if we win 5 or 6 games while seeing a proud team that cares about competing and putting their best foot forward. The sky is not falling we are just taking flight.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
I wasn't expecting NC to throw away draft capital and mortgage the future. If these are signs of the future and things that are to come, it is going to be a very very long five years.
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Boris
All Pro
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If the Earth depended on me to piss on a spark plug to stop the alien invasion, yall can kiss your collective ass's goodbye.
TxnsJuggernaut1
All Pro
Taking a flyer this season on a third round Qb does not seem to be too big of a risk imo. Even if Mills gets to play a fairly substantial amount of time and looks better than many on here expect him to look, I am stlll all for drafting another Qb next season. The competition between two young Qb's could be good for the team.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
We mortgaged the future? Already? With a 6th-for-7th swap?
The Texans had one QB on the roster who didn't have 23 separate lawsuits raining down on him on a daily basis when they added Finley. They needed a QB in the building. Driskel wasn't available until two months later. Coaches liked Driskel better, but I'll be surprised if they don't look elsewhere.
People might as well get used to aggressive roster movement. If Caserio thinks he can upgrade the 3rd QB or the 11th DB or the 89th player, he will. It's called working, doing your job as a GM. We're not used to seeing that here. This bad roster will churn like crazy. If a player sucks one week he's get upgraded. If the upgrade sucks we'll bring the first guy back the week after. If guys are late or don't do their job, adios. We will set a team record for transactions. Bottom of position group players are on notice, there will be damn few 'Gary's Guys' floating under Caserio's watch.
“We had a lot of guys that were just taking up space... We had a lot of guys that were on the roster that wasn’t really doing anything. I told them, I was like hey let me out of here. Kubiak told me I was crazy... I told Rick. He said, ‘We gonna stick with what we got and build through the draft.’ But we never kept that foundation of players. We always let one go, let two go. They would try to bring a guy in to replace them but it didn't work out.”
--Andre Johnson, 2018
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Great post.
But they kept David Johnson and resigned Hargreaves.
There are plenty of other poor performers on defense, too.
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banned1976
sleeper mode
And build no continuity with the roster. However,...
This is not the year to jump to conclusions on Caserio's methods (because the roster sucked and the Texans had limited resources to make significant upgrades) but there are people doing so on both sides. You and Texian are polar opposites on the subject of NC's job performance. I'm somewhere in the middle, liking some of the things he's done here and not liking others (probably more of the dislike than like but again, casting final judgment is a bit premature, IMHO). That said, I don't trust the process by which this new cast of coaches and front office personnel was assembled. So, for that reason I remain a skeptic. I still believe there were better candidates than Caserio but Cal had his mind closed on the subject.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That’s why I’m in the wait and see camp. I believe we have to let things play out. Who knows Culley might be a dynamic head coach and Nick just might be a top notch GM. My thing is they signed up to a very terrible situation the previous regime left behind. So it’s going to take a little time. Nick had to play his hand this way.
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