Hmpfh... I thought it was because JimmyG sucked.
No. JimmyG, Hoyer, Mallett... semantics.
The dude sux
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The dude sux
Not so fast there, my friend.
Jimmy G had a very uneven year in that SB run and he didn't do much at all in the playoffs.
The Niners had a solid all-around team to support him.
Defense 2nd in yards allowed 5th in points allowed, and 4th in take aways.
They were second in rushing attempts and also in rushing yards while leading the league in rushing TD with 23.
Jimmy G threw for 27 TDs but had 13 Ints, including a pick six.
He also fumbled 10 times.
His combine stats line for the first two playoff games were:
17-27 for 208 yards with 1 TD and 1 Int.
8 rushes for a negative 1.
Lots of QBs can do better in just one game.
It was the running game and the defense that carried the Niners to the SB; Jimmy G was just there for the ride.
There was no way in hade that he can take the Texans to the championship game with that meager running game and subpar defense that the Texans had in 2019.
And you could say that Jimmy G was the main reason the Niners lost the SB game.
Go to advanced passing stats; he was charged with 6 bad throws that resulted in 2 Ints.
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The Niners had more rushing yards than the Chiefs so you can't say the running game abandoned him.
His bad throws were what kept the Niners from being competitive.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Jimmy G was reportedly the Texans plan in 2nd rd of the 2014 draft after selecting Clowney #1 overall. Of course it was all just speculation but did make it to print. Then Caserio and Patriots selected him before Texans could pick again.
per bleacher report- March 2014
By Gary Davenport
[ESPN host] Suzy [Kolber] set the stage by asking me on air if Houston would be better off drafting Jadeveon Clowney at No. 1, then coming back with the first pick in the second round taking Garoppolo?' And I said, 'Well, if that's the case, he won't be there.' What I said is absolutely correct. If word gets out that that's what the [Texans'] strategy is, then other clubs that have interest in him and are below Houston in the second round would try to trade up for him. The guys that are legitimate second-round quarterbacks can get moved up, or overvalued simply because of the competitiveness and the desire to get a quarterback before someone else takes him.
per bleacher report- March 2014
By Gary Davenport
[ESPN host] Suzy [Kolber] set the stage by asking me on air if Houston would be better off drafting Jadeveon Clowney at No. 1, then coming back with the first pick in the second round taking Garoppolo?' And I said, 'Well, if that's the case, he won't be there.' What I said is absolutely correct. If word gets out that that's what the [Texans'] strategy is, then other clubs that have interest in him and are below Houston in the second round would try to trade up for him. The guys that are legitimate second-round quarterbacks can get moved up, or overvalued simply because of the competitiveness and the desire to get a quarterback before someone else takes him.
Let's just blame it all on the HC and not the man that was procuring the talent.
I've always said BOB was an avg HC. The problem was he and the GM were never on the same page.
Jimmy g didn't go to the bottom of the 2nd. The Texans may or may not have tried to sneak him to the top of the 3rd, there was this great guard the had to have at the top of the 2nd round.
You might want to go back and look at his record.
Dude doesn't suck he just can't stay healthy.
Hoyer and Mallet being compared to Jimmy G means your mind is made up and we can't have a discussion.
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2017
7 TDs - 5 Ints in 5 games
2018
5 TDs - 3 Ints in 3 games.
2020
7 TDs - 5 Ints in 6 games.
What's so great about those figures?
Tell me about his record in games started. W/L's
And his record when he started a full season? In fact give me the record of the 49ers the yr he got traded before the trade and after the trade. He was traded at the trade deadline that yr.
See: the W/L means more to me than what you posted.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
That was FILO away into the Devlin trash bin.
So you never think of football as a team sport?
And coaching, play calling don't matter?
How about 1-2 in 2018 and 3-3 in 2020?
Does 11-5 and 10-5 (which could have easily been 11-5) ring a bell?
And where was he when the Chiefs put up 21 consecutive points in that most important 4th quarter?
Was he even in the stadium?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Oh snap we’re back on this sorry Jimmy G crap again. That dude wasn’t all that. Talking about he’s a winner and Watson not. Off the freaking chains
It was reported speculation. Davenport said “if” that was the Texans plan.
It clearly wasn’t as the Texans chose Sua’Filo & never attempted to trade back into the 2nd round.
It is possible they planned to take him at the top of the third. But again, speculation.
For the record I didn't bring up this topic.
76 said I was a Bortles guy and I just responded that I was a Jimmy G guy and I've told him this several times. Either 76 doesn't listen or he's trying to say I was a Bortles guy enough times that fiction will somehow become facts.
A guy who has his team leading in the 4th qtr of a SB isn't to timid to be an NFL QB. By your definition almost all QB's not named Brady/Manning/Mahomes are to timid to be NFL QB's.
That decision by RS lead to the Hoyer/Mallett/Os yrs.
You give him too much credit. Shanahan was protecting him with his play calling.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Do you want to try and convince yourself that Garoppolo would’ve changed the fate of the Texans and their crappy teams since 2017?
I would need zero time convincing myself that Watson playing on those 49’er teams since 2017 are probably better and getting better each season.
You treat the Texans from 2017-2020 as teams who lost b/c of Watson......not the crappy supporting cast that was put around him on both sides of the ball during this time frame. Not to mention the crappy cast of GM’s, OB, and his staff. Let’s see....no defense, no running game, no TE’s, no SWR’s, no OL, predictable game plan, no in-game adjustments, poor time management, and a dunce for an owner. Exactly what was Watson supposed to do that he didn’t do during this time frame?
This post is directed strictly to what was going on....on the field of play. I’m evaluating the football player not his personal life.
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Where did I say you were a Bortles' guy?
3-10 with an INT in the crucial 4th qtr.
What do you think if I had attached the name Watson to it?
Texansballer74
The Marine
No it didn’t for the one thousand time. Lol
Was he protecting him 2 yrs before when at midseason the 49ers had the worst record in the NFL and after the trade Jimmy G started something like 6 games and won them all?
Why did Belichick want to keep him so bad if he sucked?
I would've liked to have seen what the Texans could've done during the Hoyer/Mallett/Os yrs with competent QB play.
You already know my thoughts on DW4. No need to rehash those.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
You may be right. However from my perspective he did way more with our team than a lot of other Qb's could have done, "especially last season." With no defense at all and a sub par offense, he was forced to play catch up. Unfortunately he was relegated to tredding water and trying not to drown. We lost some close games to much better teams last season and I credit DW4 for that.
Based on the high trade value DW4 had prior to the civil suits, I would say most people see DW4 as a talented Qb who can help them win a title. That is why a lot of people were quite excited with the idea of DW4 being traded to their team, even knowing it would cost them a few high draft picks. In some instances our Texans were rumored to get a good to great football player as well.
Sbt, I do not think any of us can give a fair evaluation in regards to DW4 playing winning football based on how bad the team was. I think he did a remarkable job all things considered. Especially last season.
I now want DW4 gone because his law suit and asking for a trade serve as a destraction on a team that needs a culture change. That can't happen if their focus is on a Qb who most likely will not be a factor this upcoming season and possibly beyond.
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Who was making the draft decisions. Look at the pic for your answers.
Also the MB member who would know told us Kubiak wanted a QB and RS wouldn't draft one. That should tell you who was making the draft decisions, particularly when it came to drafting QB's.
Belichick does a lot of stuff that doesn’t make sense.
Garrapolo has never played well enough to be considered a starter. Especially not after teams began preparing for him.
He has not shown the ability to process information fast enough at this level
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
I don't think RS was as bad at his job as you do. To me he was average and you can't win titles with average. Especially on a team with a lot of holes to fill.
He started for a team that made a SB and the GOAT HC badly wanted to keep him but TK's evals say he's not a capable starter. LMAO BTW, Jimmy G if healthy will be starting for the 49ers this yr and they will most likely be making the playoffs.
You do realize how crazy this sounds?
There were alot of holes to be filled because he sucked at drafting in rds 2-4. Also he really was not good in FA.
Fact is they were never going to win a championship with RS as GM and every yr he was here was a wasted yr because if you know you cant win a championship and aren't really building a championship level roster what's the point. BTW, I felt the same way about BOB.
I don't think he finishes the season as the starter.
In the two playoff games the Niners won to get to the Super Bowl, Garoppolo passed for a collective 208 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. The Niners got to the Super Bowl in spite of Garoppolo, not because of him. The HC and GM realize that and just spent 3 #1 picks to replace him.
Why do we have to continue this conversation again and again? Garoppolo sucks and everyone knows it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Facts
Facts indeed. Every six months we have this same conversation about Garoppolo and similar to his game, the conversation is not improving. Garoppolo benefited from going to the Patriots and watching and learning from Brady. He would not have that luxury playing for O'Brien and his bastardized ED offense and an OL coached by Devlin.
As far as the playoff run and the Super Bowl, his performance speaks volume. That was some of the weakest QB play I have seen from a QB to get to the Super Bowl. It would have made Trent Dilfer proud.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I believe Garropolo would’ve been better served, career wise, had he been able to stay with the Patriots and taken over when Brady left.
Agree. But, it could be worst. He has been fortunate to play and learn from two of the better offensive minds and systems in today's NFL. Yet, the majority of fans and evaluators still don't consider him an elite or top 5 QB. No one has ever entertained giving up three first round picks for him. I wonder why.
If healthy I bet he does.
Lance is far from ready and Jimmy G as of right now gives the 49ers their best chance to win. I see this as a Smith/Mahomes type yr for Lance.
Did what they nedded to do to get to a SB.
Like I said look at the record. Apparently everyone doesn't include Belichick.
76 keeps bringing this up for some odd reason.
Yes they did. And one of those things needed to get to the Super Bowl was to not expose Garoppolo. Which worked until the 2nd Half of the Super Bowl.
Garoppolo sucks. And he has zip to do with the Texans. No need to discuss further.
Brady didn't leave until the 2019 season. At that point, Garoppolo would have been a 6 year vet. The Pats would have have had to re-sign him after 2017 (which he wouldn't have done) or tag Garoppolo (which they couldn't afford to do). He was destined to leave, and the Pats were fortunate to get a 2nd rounder for him.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Why can't he do that...its what you do. Hard looking at yourself in the mirror isn't it.
I'm not following you. But I would like you to provide some instances of what you're trying to infer.
I've got no issues looking in the mirror.
For the record, I wasn't a Bortles guy. I dont call people out for wanting players they didn't want.
You, for instance wanted DW4, just like RS did and now for the next 5 yrs Cal/Texans org will have to live with the consequences of that decision. It is what it is.