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Nick Caserio - New GM

SnakeEyes

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Not something you want long term, but a team can have sucess with a ball control, run heavy offense. Also, with young qb's, I'm thinking particularely of Finley , you need to look at the team around them and also the qb's starting opportunities. And finally, doesn't this make a sound argument in support of the Texans taking a chance on Mills with 67?
Taking a chance is what the draft is. Mills checks almost every box and had he stayed in school many have said he would be a 1st round pick next year. I would rather have him cheap and see if they are right then use a 1st next year and they are wrong. I think he is a good pick and could be something if he and the staff put in the work
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Taking a chance is what the draft is. Mills checks almost every box and had he stayed in school many have said he would be a 1st round pick next year. I would rather have him cheap and see if they are right then use a 1st next year and they are wrong. I think he is a good pick and could be something if he and the staff put in the work
If Mills truly believed a few opinions about being a future 1st RD draft pick, as a smart Stanford boy he would have certainly stayed and fattened his wallet. He did not. Either Mills does not believe the future 1st RD draft pick crap or he's not the smart Stanford kid we think he is.
 
If Mills truly believed a few opinions about being a future 1st RD draft pick, as a smart Stanford boy he would have certainly stayed and fattened his wallet. He did not. Either Mills does not believe the future 1st RD draft pick crap or he's not the smart Stanford kid we think he is.
Since opinions were all over the place in regards to Davis Mills and getting picked in the first round next season, it was wise for Davis Mills to enter the draft this season. Why risk any chance he has to be a pro quarterback? He now has a chance in the NFL and if he had stayed in college and things went poorly or if he was seriously injured, he may not have gotten a fair chance to make it.

I am sure he is betting on himself and expects to work his butt off to take advantage of his chance to succeed in the NFL. I am not writing the kid off simply because he determined his future was better by foregoing his last season of college football. He has a lot of work to do and there is not much said about his work ethic or lack therein, but if he works hard he could end up as a good quarterback. He might surprise us all even more and be another franchise quarterback on our Texans. I will not bet on it because I am not stupid. I do not know any more than anybody else does. I am amused by those who think they know how things will turn out.
 
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Texian

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Since opinions were all over the place in regards to Davis Mills and getting picked in the first round next season, it was wise for Davis Mills to enter the draft this season. Why risk any chance he has to be a pro quarterback? He now has a chance in the NFL and if he had stayed in college and things went poorly or he was seriously injured, he may not have gotten a fair chance to make it.

I am sure he is betting on himself and expects to work his butt off to take advantage of his chance to succeed in the NFL. I am not writing the kid off simply because he determined his future was better by foregoing his last season of college football. He has a lot of work to do and there is not much said about his work ethic or lack therein, but if he works hard he could end up as a good quarterback. He might surprise us all even more and be another franchise quarterback on our Texans. I will not bet on it because I am not stupid. I do not know any more than anybody else does. I am amused by those who think they know how things will turn out.
Fair enough. One of the few who can defend their position well.
 
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frethack

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If Mills truly believed a few opinions about being a future 1st RD draft pick, as a smart Stanford boy he would have certainly stayed and fattened his wallet. He did not. Either Mills does not believe the future 1st RD draft pick crap or he's not the smart Stanford kid we think he is.
From what Shaw said, Mills debated going back to school. He was worried that playing in California on another COVID shortened season and Cali being way behind the rest of the country in easing restrictions. Shaw says he felt that he would not get the opportunities that other players got in less restrictive states. If true, sounds like Stanford quality thinking to me. Gamble on yourself.



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thunderkyss

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The only way that I can possibly justify signing these guys is if this front office is deliberately tanking on purpose to get the 1.1 pick in 2022. And that type of mentality is its own set of problems.
Agreed. We should have traded next year's 1st & 2nd for Carson Wentz
 

thunderkyss

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If Mills truly believed a few opinions about being a future 1st RD draft pick, as a smart Stanford boy he would have certainly stayed and fattened his wallet. He did not. Either Mills does not believe the future 1st RD draft pick crap or he's not the smart Stanford kid we think he is.
Or he's not going to waste another year in the PAC 10. We don't know how they're going to handle the season & if the way they handled 2020 is any indication...
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
From what Shaw said, Mills debated going back to school. He was worried that playing in California on another COVID shortened season and Cali being way behind the rest of the country in easing restrictions. Shaw says he felt that he would not get the opportunities that other players got in less restrictive states. If true, sounds like Stanford quality thinking to me. Gamble on yourself.



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First round rookie contracts are fully guaranteed.
Third round, just the signing bonus.

 

SnakeEyes

Under NRG
From what Shaw said, Mills debated going back to school. He was worried that playing in California on another COVID shortened season and Cali being way behind the rest of the country in easing restrictions. Shaw says he felt that he would not get the opportunities that other players got in less restrictive states. If true, sounds like Stanford quality thinking to me. Gamble on yourself.



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Exactly what was said in many interviews. With Mills, staff at Stanford, his head coach. Basically everyone is saying he did come out due to Covid
 

thunderkyss

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Hoyer signed for a mere $1.05M last year.
He and his wife bought a home and decided they will root up in that area.
He resigned for another year this year, likely for veteran minimum.
Doesn’t answer my question.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Doesn’t answer my question.
Well, they didn't get back to Brissett because they already went back to Hoyer last year for cheap while Brissett was still under contract with the Colts.

This year they still have Cam, and they draft a QB in the first round. Another cheap 1yr deal with Hoyer looks pretty obvious to me.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Texans had Mills a 2nd round QB who would have been a first round pick in 2022... could they have thought adding Finley before the draft might give the appearance to other teams of them not being in the draft QB market? So that a team interested in Mills wouldn't feel the need to jump Houston to get him? :thinking:

Nick will never tell. Swapping a 6th for a 7th in 2021 draft is like swapping Lavon Coleman for Terry Swanson.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
Texans had Mills a 2nd round QB who would have been a first round pick in 2022... could they have thought adding Finley before the draft might give the appearance to other teams of them not being in the draft QB market? So that a team interested in Mills wouldn't feel the need to jump Houston to get him? :thinking:

Nick will never tell. Swapping a 6th for a 7th in 2021 draft is like swapping Lavon Coleman for Terry Swanson.
If 6th and 7th rounders are so insignificant, they should just cut the draft to 5 rounds. Quit wasting everyone's time with those last 2 rounds.

And getting a guy for nothing because he was about to be cut is like keeping your 6th round pick. So there's that.
 

Decim8

Veteran
Texans had Mills a 2nd round QB who would have been a first round pick in 2022... could they have thought adding Finley before the draft might give the appearance to other teams of them not being in the draft QB market? So that a team interested in Mills wouldn't feel the need to jump Houston to get him? :thinking:

Nick will never tell. Swapping a 6th for a 7th in 2021 draft is like swapping Lavon Coleman for Terry Swanson.
I see that mentioned a lot, but staying an extra year in college won’t guarantee that - Matt Barkley comes to mind. I’m sure there are other examples but yeah:thinking:
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
If 6th and 7th rounders are so insignificant, they should just cut the draft to 5 rounds. Quit wasting everyone's time with those last 2 rounds.

And getting a guy for nothing because he was about to be cut is like keeping your 6th round pick. So there's that.
6th and 7th round picks in 2022 will be like 4th and 5th round 2021 picks, maybe higher. 2021 was really bad, 2022 will be extremely deep. Caserio did trade away a 2022 4th to move up in 2021 -- that was a bad move. Coaches here who know him were jumping up for Nico. We'll see how that works out.
 

steelbtexan

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If 6th and 7th rounders are so insignificant, they should just cut the draft to 5 rounds. Quit wasting everyone's time with those last 2 rounds.

And getting a guy for nothing because he was about to be cut is like keeping your 6th round pick. So there's that.
Late rd picks are valuable if they are used to move up. Say at the top of the 4th there's a guy you like and you're not picking until the middle of the 4th, you can use your 4th and a 6th/7th to move up and get the guy you like.

Late rd picks are also valuable when taking chances on injured/talented but troubled/small school guys.
 

Lucky

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Bill O'Brien couldn't give a crap about late round picks. Or draft picks, period. Likely because he came to the realization that he and his coaching staff sucked at player development.

Nick Caserio has shown a certain amount of indifference regarding draft picks, thus far. It could be a one off deal. I hope it's not because he doesn't have faith in the coaching staff he selected. Hell, I may have questions regarding in game management and scheme. But the staff is comprised of long time position coaches for the most part. They should be able to develop young players, at the very least.
 

steelbtexan

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Bill O'Brien couldn't give a crap about late round picks. Or draft picks, period. Likely because he came to the realization that he and his coaching staff sucked at player development.

Nick Caserio has shown a certain amount of indifference regarding draft picks, thus far. It could be a one off deal. I hope it's not because he doesn't have faith in the coaching staff he selected. Hell, I may have questions regarding in game management and scheme. But the staff is comprised of long time position coaches for the most part. They should be able to develop young players, at the very least.
How would we know how Caserio feels about valuing draft picks? He hasn't had a full compliment of draft picks and the trades he's made have mostly been pick swaps. So it's not like he's dumping draft picks.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Bill O'Brien couldn't give a crap about late round picks. Or draft picks, period. Likely because he came to the realization that he and his coaching staff sucked at player development.

Nick Caserio has shown a certain amount of indifference regarding draft picks, thus far. It could be a one off deal. I hope it's not because he doesn't have faith in the coaching staff he selected. Hell, I may have questions regarding in game management and scheme. But the staff is comprised of long time position coaches for the most part. They should be able to develop young players, at the very least.
Nick started with 8 picks in the 2021 draft and ended up making 5 picks. In the processes since he has arrived he has also traded away (2) 2022 draft picks. So in essence Nick traded away half of the draft. The problem with position coaches with too much influence on draft picks is they operate with tunnel vision and concentrate for the immediate season at hand. There is no 3 to 4 year planning. Also a position coach with a prominent voice drowns out less vocal coaches. For instance a QB coach exerting his influence can negate choosing better players and the bigger need (hole) on defense.
 
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steelbtexan

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Because he burned them and did not accumulate them. Like I said to those reading my post, it may be a one off deal. We'll see.
He didn't have draft picks to burn. Atleast high picks anyways. All he really did was a bunch of pick swaps which didn't move the needle one way or the other. Minus a 2022 4th which waa an extra 4th and not that big of a deal, even though I didn't care for the trade.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
6th and 7th round picks in 2022 will be like 4th and 5th round 2021 picks, maybe higher. 2021 was really bad, 2022 will be extremely deep. Caserio did trade away a 2022 4th to move up in 2021 -- that was a bad move. Coaches here who know him were jumping up for Nico. We'll see how that works out.
It was a bad move to give up what he did for Finley, even if they kept him. He was going to be cut by the Bengals. The Texans are 3rd on the waiver wire. Jacksonville and the Jets weren't picking him up. They could have had him for nothing. Instead, he's still throwing away draft picks, just like that POS we had before. And now you don't even have the guy on the roster you gave the picks away for, 2 months before camp even starts.

As you mentioned, bad move to give up next year's 4th for Collins. Bad move to move up twice for a 5th rounder. When do the ******* bad moves stop for this organization?

I've said from the beginning that I was giving Caserio a mulligan this season for the absolute crap he's inherited, but I'm far from impressed with how he's operated so far.
 

steelbtexan

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It was a bad move to give up what he did for Finley, even if they kept him. He was going to be cut by the Bengals. The Texans are 3rd on the waiver wire. Jacksonville and the Jets weren't picking him up. They could have had him for nothing. Instead, he's still throwing away draft picks, just like that POS we had before. And now you don't even have the guy on the roster you gave the picks away for, 2 months before camp even starts.

As you mentioned, bad move to give up next year's 4th for Collins. Bad move to move up twice for a 5th rounder. When do the ******* bad moves stop for this organization?

I've said from the beginning that I was giving Caserio a mulligan this season for the absolute crap he's inherited, but I'm far from impressed with how he's operated so far.
The Texans are doomed because they did a 6th for 7th rd pick swap and cut the guy they traded for.

The other trades are subjective. I didn't like the Collins trade but if he becomes a 5 yr starter then the trade was a success. Collins has talent.

2 different analysts had Jordan in their top 100. I had him going in the 4th. Trading up and only losing a couple of late rd picks to get an obviously talented guy isn't the worst thing a GM could do.

This really comes down to do you value quality over quantity? Collins/Jordan are both quality athletes, who knows if they will be long time NFL players/difference makers. But they are very talented players.
 

steelbtexan

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NC traded a 2022 4th RD pick to Carolina to move up to take Collins. NC traded a 2022 7th RD pick to the Pats for TE Izzo.
I dont have a problem with the 7th for Izzo

Collins for the 2022 4th I dont like and it sets the bar much higher for Collins than it would've otherwise. Collins needs to be a 5 yr starter to justify the trade. Of course I wanted to have as many picks as possible in the very deep 2022 draft.
 

Texansballer74

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After what Bull O’Brien did to this ball club, some of you guys really tripping on a 7th round pick NC gave up for Finley. Lol like a 7th rounder is going to actually do something in this league. Strong possibility a 7th rounder wouldn’t even make the team.
 

Number19

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I dont have a problem with the 7th for Izzo

Collins for the 2022 4th I dont like and it sets the bar much higher for Collins than it would've otherwise. Collins needs to be a 5 yr starter to justify the trade. Of course I wanted to have as many picks as possible in the very deep 2022 draft.
I don't know how you can say Collins needs to become a "five" year starter for the trade to be justified.

My take on the trade is, if Collins becomes a major contributor this season and becomes a major deep threat replacing Fuller, then it will have been worth it.
 

steelbtexan

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I don't know how you can say Collins needs to become a "five" year starter for the trade to be justified.

My take on the trade is, if Collins becomes a major contributor this season and becomes a major deep threat replacing Fuller, then it will have been worth it.
Because next yrs draft will have 2nd rd talent that will fall to the top of the 4th, due to all of the opt outs going back to school.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
After what Bull O’Brien did to this ball club, some of you guys really tripping on a 7th round pick NC gave up for Finley. Lol like a 7th rounder is going to actually do something in this league. Strong possibility a 7th rounder wouldn’t even make the team.
You mean like Finley made the team? Again, it’s about wasting the pick when they could have waited until he was cut and picked him up for nothing. I don’t care if it was a 30th round pick. Why throw it away when you don’t have to? That was just a dumb move.

Add that to how he treated picks in the draft. By my count, Caserio has collected 4 picks in his dealings and given away 10. Sorry, but I’ve had my fill of GMs here making it rain for other teams with draft picks. I’d like for that to stop at some point.
 

steelbtexan

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You mean like Finley made the team? Again, it’s about wasting the pick when they could have waited until he was cut and picked him up for nothing. I don’t care if it was a 30th round pick. Why throw it away when you don’t have to? That was just a dumb move.

Add that to how he treated picks in the draft. By my count, Caserio has collected 4 picks in his dealings and given away 10. Sorry, but I’ve had my fill of GMs here making it rain for other teams with draft picks.
Care to show where he gave away picks?

Trading pick swaps and getting a player you like (Cannon) isn't giving away picks.

It's getting your guy and keeping a lotto ticket.
 

Number19

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Because next yrs draft will have 2nd rd talent that will fall to the top of the 4th, due to all of the opt outs going back to school.
Well, I guess it comes down to the position that I want to win this year; and I see the Texans as having a need to replace Fuller as a deep threat. If Collins fails in this, this year, then you will be correct. But you roll the dice; and, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. As with all draft picks, time will tell.
 

Texian

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After what Bull O’Brien did to this ball club, some of you guys really tripping on a 7th round pick NC gave up for Finley. Lol like a 7th rounder is going to actually do something in this league. Strong possibility a 7th rounder wouldn’t even make the team.
It's not just a 7th rounder, it was also a 4th rounder. What the hell is going to be when a 1st and 2nd rd is available. What it is, is a pattern of bad behavior and decision making. Its going to be worse, a lot worse when Nick has more to play with. His MO and his spots says it will. Giving away draft picks for people who were getting cut and restructuring contracts borrowing money from the 2022 and 2023 seasons in order to pay a bunch of nobodies it extremely troubling. Nick has already borrowed from future drafts and salary caps for a bunch of backups and has already cut one without the first snap being made.
 

steelbtexan

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Well, I guess it comes down to the position that I want to win this year; and I see the Texans as having a need to replace Fuller as a deep threat. If Collins fails in this, this year, then you will be correct. But you roll the dice; and, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. As with all draft picks, time will tell.
Unfortunately wins will probably be few and far between. Caserio will be blamed for this by some.

Me I just want to see growth from Mills/Collins/Jordan etc...

Blacklock/Martin grow along with guys like Wallow on defense.

This is the start of the journey. If Caserio hadn't come from the Pats fans would be alot more on board.
 
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