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2022 NFL Mock Draft: Way Too Early Edition
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Texans could easily trade back, get additional picks and CB- Derek Stingley (LSU). Finally a shutdown CB. If the Watson trade yields another RD1 pick.....I might be tempted to go with CB- Sevyn Banks (Ohio St) to really upgrade the CB position for the foreseeable future. Two shutdown corners in the 2022 NFL Draft in RD1 could be amazing. Sorry guys, I'm not looking for a QB until 2023......time to upgrade the defense.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I'm going to let history be my guide and history has shown that those first round QBs have the highest rates of success. Therefore if you have the opportunity to pick the best QB in the the draft you don't pass it up. You never know if or when that chance will present it self again. QB is the most important position on the team so it should receive the team's highest priority. The Texans had the opportunity to improve their defense this year and chose not to. That's on them. There is still ample opportunity to upgrade the defense starting with the 2nd round. There is a good chance with the trade of DW4 would provide another 1st RD pick that could be used for the defense.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
In the last decade of RD1 QB’s:
7 of 30 have delivered on their RD1 selection:
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Ryan Tannehill
Carson Wentz
Andrew Luck
Patrick Mahomes
Cam Newton
4 Of 30 have done nicely to justify their RD1 selection:
Baker Mayfield
Mathew Stafford
Jared Goff
Deshaun Watson
19 have delivered nothing to date to speak of and several are not even worth mentioning.
This wasn't a good defense draft.
Texian
Hall of Fame
And yet RD 1 is still your best odds, the deeper in the draft you go the odds are much much worse.
Texian
Hall of Fame
My draft for defense was far more productive than Caserio's rearrangement of chairs on the Titanic.
#67 - Quinn Meinerz OC
#109 - Bobby Brown III DL
#122 - Tommy Togiai, DL
#147 - Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR
#158 - Brenden Jaimes, OT
#195 - Tay Gowans, CB
#202 - James Wiggins, S
#212 - Jonathan Cooper, Edge
#233 - Cade Johnson, WR
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I was also hoping for more help for the D. After center @ 67 I thought the choice should be the best edge available.
I see 5 listed in the first round in the 2022 mock draft in this thread.
Maybe Caserio was looking at that in this year's draft..
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I was also hoping for more help for the D. After center @ 67 I thought the choice should be the best edge available.
I see 5 listed in the first round in the 2022 mock draft in this thread.
Maybe Caserio was looking at that in this year's draft..
2022 looks to be a much deeper defensive draft.
I cant believe Carson Strong isn't in the 1st rd of this mock.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
The only knock I read on Strong was "difficulty outside the pocket". All else sounded pretty good to me.
Think we will draft a QB regardless of what Mills does?
TT posters are used to talking / hoping about "next year".. Now we are relegated to discussing the year after next. Bummer.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I thought the Patriots draft of 2021 post Caserio, was better than the drafts in New England with Caserio. Drafted Tom Brady clone, best DL in the draft, underrated, high motor edge better than some drafted round earlier, went back to Oklahoma well and got themselves a poor man Adrian Peterson. Special teams and developmental players late day 3 as a lot of teams do. Combine that with free agency they upgraded TE position with two elite talents hoping to duplicate past success and revamped the OL to have more versatility and less vulnerability to injury. And I’m not a Patriot fan, but very good offseason, much better work than what I’ve seen out of Caserio here so far.
| Round | Pick | Player | Pos. | School |
| 1 | 15 | Mac Jones | QB | Alabama |
| 2 | 38 | Christian Barmore | DL | Alabama |
| 3 | 96 | Ronnie Perkins | Edge | Oklahoma |
| 4 | 120 | Rhamondre Stevenson | RB | Oklahoma |
| 5 | 177 | Cameron McGrone | LB | Michigan |
| 6 | 188 | Joshuah Bledsoe | S | Missouri |
| 6 | 197 | William Sherman | T | Colorado |
| 7 | 242 | Tre Nixon | WR | UCF |
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
They did have three "in the barn" before we even had a pick.
I'm willing to give Caserio a full deck before making judgment on his ability.
I'm willing to give Caserio a full deck before making judgment on his ability.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
They did have three "in the barn" before we even had a pick.
I'm willing to give Caserio a full deck before making judgment on his ability.
judged vs previous Patriot drafts w/Caserio on board. Only free agency moves, part that should be equated as current Caserio Texan GM.
So you just ignore what's been stated by Breer et.al... because it goes against your grain?
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Lot has been written, true or not, that Belichick ran the NE draft, often running roughshod over the scouts recommendations.
Not too sure how much Caserio affected the draft in NE.
Let's see how Caserio negotiates the draft with a full hand next year. Texans mantra, next year.
I am curious as to how well the Pats ( Belichick) will do without Brady. 7-9 first year minus Brady.
"Prior to becoming the head coach of the Patriots in 2000, he served as the head coach for the Cleveland Browns from 1991 to 1995. Belichick has amassed 187 regular season wins as a head coach. His teams have a record of 136-39 with Tom Brady as the starting quarterback. Without Brady, he's 51-65." - googled
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Darth “Belichick” Vader controls every minute of every day in what is known as the New England Patriots. The only person Belichick answers to is Kraft and even Kraft probably remains out of the way the majority of the time. This might be a big push season for Belichick if the Patriots go sub .500 in back to back seasons post Tom Brady.
Texian
Hall of Fame
So I have read the Breer piece and I can see how there could be several interpretations depending on one's point of view. I agree with much of it but Albert does venture off in to some supposition and guessing on his part. This is what I mostly got from Albert's thoughts:
* In fact, by the sounds of it, the more collaborative approach has led to some wholesale change in scouting in Foxboro.
* I do know this year was a whole lot different with assistant director of player personnel Dave Ziegler, scouting exec Eliot Wolf and national scout Matt Groh moving into more prominent roles in the aftermath of Nick Caserio’s departure for Houston.
* What I don’t know is Belichick’s specific motivation for it.
* I do think there’s at least an acknowledgment there that things haven’t exactly worked (owner Robert Kraft has said as much). The Patriots have only exercised the fifth-year option on one first-round pick since hitting two grand slams in 2012, with the selections of Dont’a Hightower and Chandler Jones.
* been rumblings from the inside the scouting department in recent years. Long story short, plenty of evaluators on that side let their contracts expire, then bolted over the last few offseasons at least in part because there was frustration over the lack of involvement in the draft process, and the feeling that Belichick’s own experiences with players and his connections in college coaching too often would trump the information his scouts were giving him.
This sure looked like what was going on in the Texans draft room as there was only handful people visible, Caserio, Easterby and a few coaches.
* the biggest change has come this offseason, which would indicate the boss is listening. To that end, I’m told that Belichick was in the office more in the spring this year than in the past, held more formal draft meetings, something that really hasn’t happened under Belichick before (when Caserio had it under control?), and reworked other past practices with the help of Ziegler, Wolf and Groh.
* The result to scouts outside the organization was obvious: The players that the Patriots took were all highly productive college players, and there wasn’t the kind of wild Belichick curveball those who’ve been there got used to.
Those wild curveballs were present in the Texans draft.
ALL IN ALL THIS ALBERT BREER PIECE REALLY IS A CONDEMNATION OF NICK CASERIO.
Underline is my additions.
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This could be true
It could also be that Kraft put told Belichick to listen to his scouts and if there was a disagreement, go with the scouts opinions.
What are the wild curveballs in the Texans draft, other than drafting a potential starting QB in the 3rd rd? Something I hope they keep doing is drafting QB's until they find their guy.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I highly doubt that Caserio had the draft "under control" in NE.
Belichick’s own experiences with players and his connections in college coaching too often would trump the information his scouts were giving him.
Caserio wanted to leave and come to Houston earlier but the Pats would not permit it. Wonder why?
Belichick coordinators didn't succeed when leaving NE. Was it because they couldn't take Brady with them.
Without Brady, Belichick's W-L record is pedestrian.
Bill OBrien had a better W-L record in Houston than Belichick had in Cleveland.
Belichick’s own experiences with players and his connections in college coaching too often would trump the information his scouts were giving him.
Caserio wanted to leave and come to Houston earlier but the Pats would not permit it. Wonder why?
Belichick coordinators didn't succeed when leaving NE. Was it because they couldn't take Brady with them.
Without Brady, Belichick's W-L record is pedestrian.
Bill OBrien had a better W-L record in Houston than Belichick had in Cleveland.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
This makes a ton of sense, just from own draft analysis, it’s strikingly different and certainly did not expect “beyond expectations” draft they had compared to previous years reaches (except for Hightower/Jones).
ps - liking and using PFF more
Texian
Hall of Fame
Because the draft table was mostly set and Belichick didn't want Caserio taking that information with him, that's why. Surely you know how secretive the Pats organization is. If Belichick had known then what he knows now, he would have helped Nick pack and drove him to the airport.Caserio wanted to leave and come to Houston earlier but the Pats would not permit it. Wonder why?
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
And you know this how? Rumor? Innuendo? Opinions?
Don't know about NE secrecy except when it comes to cheating.
Sounds like both got what they wanted. If Caserio was that inadequate at the draft why the concern? No great loss on their part. Right?
Now it's wait an see time. I won't rush to judgement on this years draft and FA signings.
Texian
Hall of Fame
And you know this how? Rumor? Innuendo? Opinions?
Seeing the results of 2021 vs results of 2012 -2020 it doesn't take an IQ over 100 to figure it out. About 1 oz of common sense, logic, critical and independent thinking and 1/2 oz of deductive reasoning is all you need.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Texian
Hall of Fame
Seeing the Patriots results of 2021 vs results of the Patriots drafts of 2012 -2020 it doesn't take an IQ over 100 to figure it out. About 1 oz of common sense, logic, critical and independent thinking and 1/2 oz of deductive reasoning is all you need.What results are you alluding to?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The IQ Test might scream Tom Brady gone and replaced with Cam Newton.....did Caserio sign Newton and then force Belichick to retain his services for another season?
Bottomline, Belichick has run this organization since Tom Brady put that first Lombardi Trophy in the Patriots cabinet. The Patriots just weren’t the same team in 2020.....while Sir Tom took the Bucs to another Super Bowl victory and has them sitting pretty as potential repeat champions. Patriots might be a repeat mid-tier team in 2021.
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Jury is still out on Carson Wentz.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Especially from the 3rd round on.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I don't know how you can't see that those remarks are descriptive of Belichick's ways. IMO, it's describing how HE had to change. You know why he is changing? Because they had a losing season for the first time in 20 years. Without Brady holding them together they flopped.
Texian
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Belichick changed because Bob Kraft said they had to change their way of doing business because he just spent $200MM cleaning up the messes of the last 5 drafts.
Texian
Hall of Fame
None of this rules out the fact that the last five Patriots drafts were huge disappointments and this is what drove Tom Brady out of New England. In other words New England became a talent depleted team and Tom knew it was time to go. I do understand why it is so difficult for the Kool Aid sippers to understand this.
And you know this how? Rumor? Innuendo? Opinions?
Don't know about NE secrecy except when it comes to cheating.
Sounds like both got what they wanted. If Caserio was that inadequate at the draft why the concern? No great loss on their part. Right?
Now it's wait an see time. I won't rush to judgement on this years draft and FA signings.
I'm giving Caserio 2 more years before I begin to pass judgement.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I thought you prided yourself on a quick judge of people and their character? Didn't it take you 10 minutes to figure out O'Brien and Watson?
I thought you prided yourself on a quick judge of people and their character? Didn't it take you 10 minutes to figure out O'Brien and Watson?
I'm hopeful that Caserio gets this right.
I guess to answer your question, I like MOST of the moves Caserio has made with very limited capital. There are a few that I dont like either, like the Mercilus re-structure/DJ deals
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I guess the last 5 years fall squarely on Caserio and Belichick is fully absolved of anything draft wise for the past 5 years......in your world. You’re coming off as comical as you try to press your narrative. Caserio, like any new GM should be given 3 years at minimum to put his plan in place, especially after inheriting the shite program OB left him.
To be fair to Hoody, he's busy coaching the team during the season. It was Caserio that was in charge of the pro and college scouting from 2008 to 2020. There were draft success stories. But, not a lot recently. It doesn't help when you are always picking near the bottom of each round, either.
I wonder how much the scouting department's input came into this particular draft. Mills came off a recommendation and relationship the QB coach received from Mill's college coaches. Texans assistant Ben McDaniels has watched Nico Collins the past 3 years as the Wolverines QB coach.
Will this be a trend, with the coaching staff having a lot of input into draft selections? Or does Caserio just need time to bring in a staff whose opinion he trusts? It bears watching.
Will this be a trend, with the coaching staff having a lot of input into draft selections? Or does Caserio just need time to bring in a staff whose opinion he trusts? It bears watching.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Anyone with IQ over 100 and 1 oz of common sense, logic, critical and independent thinking and 1/2 oz of deductive reasoning could understand Belichicks heavy hand was responsible for the Pat's poor drafting years past. Most likely the reason Caserio wanted out.
But there are always those who can't / won't see the forest for the trees.
I think it would be prudent to wait a couple of years before praising this years NE draft. Same logic holds for the Texans draft.
But there are always those who can't / won't see the forest for the trees.
I think it would be prudent to wait a couple of years before praising this years NE draft. Same logic holds for the Texans draft.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
This my point as well, there is no denying the track record of the recent Patriots drafts but anyone who thinks Belichick is completely absolved is not being realistic. After all, his staff (which included Caserio) is referred to as "clerks" who only do as Belichick commands...funny how that is selectively used as needed.
Texian
Hall of Fame
So just to be clear I do not have it in specifically for Nick Caserio. Even if Eliot Wolf were the Texans GM and he hired Culley as the HC I would not be happy. If Eliot Wolf wasted draft capital to trade for a combination of over the hill, backups who were going to get cut and may or may not be here in two years, I would be PO'd. If Eliot Wolf restructured 5 contracts and borrowed over $30 million from the 2022 and 2023 salary caps I would've been royally PO'd. I see all of this as a recipe for becoming less than average and ordinary regardless of who is the GM. If Eliot Wolf had turned in the same 2021 draft I would've become totally unglued asking myself how in the hell could I get it so wrong about this guy?
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Texian
Hall of Fame
My guess is not much as it appears as though Pep Hamilton was very involved and influential in the Mills and Collins picks.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Anyone with IQ over 100 and 1 oz of common sense, logic, critical and independent thinking and 1/2 oz of deductive reasoning could understand Belichicks heavy hand was responsible for the Pat's poor drafting years past. Most likely the reason Caserio wanted out.
But there are always those who can't / won't see the forest for the trees.
I think it would be prudent to wait a couple of years before praising this years NE draft. Same logic holds for the Texans draft.
I knew before Bill O'Brien was hired he was going to be a bad head coach. I didn't need 3 years to figure it out. I knew based on his past decisions, his personality and character flaws he was going to be terrible HC. Now I know y'all were O'Brien cheerleaders when he was first hired but didn't you learn anything from that experience. Then like now y'all were quick to make excuses for his flaws, personality short comings and bad decision making. What flavor Kool Aid is Cal serving this week?
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I knew before Bill O'Brien was hired he was going to be a bad head coach. I didn't need 3 years to figure it out. I knew based on his past decisions, his personality and character flaws he was going to be terrible HC. Now I know y'all were O'Brien cheerleaders when he was first hired but didn't you learn anything from that experience. Then like now y'all were quick to make excuses for his flaws, personality short comings and bad decision making. What flavor Kool Aid is Cal serving this week?
In all honesty.....I wanted OB out on the first train after his inaugural season. Why? Predictable play calling, to stubborn to make in game changes, etc.......but the one thing that lit the warning sign for me was his inability to learn from his mistakes. He just continued to make the same mistakes week in and week out. He must’ve just skipped or ignored what him and his staff were seeing when sitting in the film room re-watching every facet of the game.
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I knew before Bill O'Brien was hired he was going to be a bad head coach. I didn't need 3 years to figure it out. I knew based on his past decisions, his personality and character flaws he was going to be terrible HC. Now I know y'all were O'Brien cheerleaders when he was first hired but didn't you learn anything from that experience. Then like now y'all were quick to make excuses for his flaws, personality short comings and bad decision making. What flavor Kool Aid is Cal serving this week?
He was an avg HC, not a bad HC.
I have no problem with BOB's personality
My problem with BOB and his staff was that they couldn't develop players.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
.......or develop themselves to become better at their jobs. BOB was still making the same in-game and clock management mistakes at the end of his tenure that he made in his first season. In my book, that’s foolish arrogance that eventually got his arse BOI’ed.