Poll - Who should Texans take @ #67?

[Jack Burton]

I think this would be a good idea...

Taylor and waiting in the wings for the 2022-2023 season drafted in the 3rd at #67 (if still available) Kyle Trask.

Then next year we can get something for Watson and have what appears to be a potential steal.

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Don’t want. Weak arm. Bad athlete.

 

[steelbtexan]

If you really want to go after Mills, you need to keep an eye out on Chicago at 52. Reports are they are interested in either Mills or Mond, to sit behind Dalton, and may be leaning to Mills. A 4 and a 6 only gets you to 56, pointwise.

Thanks

I really like the video I've seen from Mills.

I would give up a 3rd in 2022 if it took that to get Mills.

If you think he's got the talent to be the QB of the future (I do) then trading the 2021 3rd and 2021 4th plus a 2022 3rd for your QB of the future is a small price to pay.

 

[badboy]

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[Mr teX]

Thanks

I really like the video I've seen from Mills.

I would give up a 3rd in 2022 if it took that to get Mills.

If you think he's got the talent to be the QB of the future (I do) then trading the 2021 3rd and 2021 4th plus a 2022 3rd for your QB of the future is a small price to pay.

Slightly better Schaub imo. With a clean pocket he like a lot of guys looks good. But He’s got a little of that “panic thrower” in him...that is when he’s about to be hit he either fades as hes releasing to avoid taking the full brunt of the hit or he just throws it up. I ain’t moving up to take a guy like that.

has a tendency to throw off his back foot and he’ll need to speed up that wind up a little too. Looks like he’s aiming the ball at times rather than letting it rip..

 

[steelbtexan]

Slightly better Schaub imo. With a clean pocket he like a lot of guys looks good. But He’s got a little of that “panic thrower” in him...that is when he’s about to be hit he either fades as hes releasing to avoid taking the full brunt of the hit or he just throws it up. I ain’t moving up to take a guy like that.

has a tendency to throw off his back foot and he’ll need to speed up that wind up a little too. Looks like he’s aiming the ball at times rather than letting it rip..

Much stronger arm than Schaub.

I didn't see the windup action you're talking about. I did notice a tendency to throw off of his back foot. Are the flaws you mentioned correctable? What are some of Lance's flaws?

I will defer to you since you've played the position at a high level.

 

[Mr teX]

Much stronger arm than Schaub.

I didn't see the windup action you're talking about. I did notice a tendency to throw off of his back foot. Are the flaws you mentioned correctable? What are some of Lance's flaws?

I will defer to you since you've played the position at a high level.

lol, I’ve never played it at a high level, but I have gotten what could be considered high level instruction and my studies in college help me look at things in a slightly different way.

All you have to do is compare his wind up to the average guys in the NFL...or even to his contemporaries in his own draft like Zach Wilson’s. It’s a little slower; very slight, Maybe not enough to make a difference, but it’s there. The thing about Schaub is his arm wasn’t really weak. On shorter stuff and When he wanted to and could step into a throw, he had a little pop. The problem REALLY was that he couldn’t do that consistently on the longer stuff b/c he’d then lose accuracy...airmail. so to guarantee his accuracy he often took some off of it and his throwing motion looked a lot like he was “placing” the ball rather than letting it lose. I see the same kinda thing with this kid. He isn’t really “snapping” on the follow thru with his wrist his arm kinda just hangs out there a little bit after release. To me it speaks to a lack of confidence in his arm.

Everything is “correctable” per se, but I’m not sure it’s something he’ll be able to shake enough of to make him a real threat as a starter. IMO Thats a lot to be working on changing at the highest level.

With Lance scouts are salivating over the raw skills and high ceiling...that jumps out at you immediately...enough for you to almost wanna bypass the questions about the competition he faced & limited tape. With a designer offense like Kaep and LJ8, he can come in & contribute at the qb position immediately. The main flaw I see with him is the same I saw in VY and LJ8. too much of his game is tied to his feet and when you watch tape, his biggest plays he’s making with his feet. Might be able to get away with that for a year in the NFL, will he be able to grow enough as a passer to make defenses pay when they eventually shut his feet down?

 

[steelbtexan]

lol, I’ve never played it at a high level, but I have gotten what could be considered high level instruction and my studies in college help me look at things in a slightly different way.

All you have to do is compare his wind up to the average guys in the NFL...or even to his contemporaries in his own draft like Zach Wilson’s. It’s a little slower; very slight, Maybe not enough to make a difference, but it’s there. The thing about Schaub is his arm wasn’t really weak. On shorter stuff and When he wanted to and could step into a throw, he had a little pop. The problem REALLY was that he couldn’t do that consistently on the longer stuff b/c he’d then lose accuracy...airmail. so to guarantee his accuracy he often took some off of it and his throwing motion looked a lot like he was “placing” the ball rather than letting it lose. I see the same kinda thing with this kid. He isn’t really “snapping” on the follow thru with his wrist his arm kinda just hangs out there a little bit after release. To me it speaks to a lack of confidence in his arm.

Everything is “correctable” per se, but I’m not sure it’s something he’ll be able to shake enough of to make him a real threat as a starter. IMO Thats a lot to be working on changing at the highest level.

I will look into this further.

 

[Number19]

Slightly better Schaub imo. With a clean pocket he like a lot of guys looks good. But He’s got a little of that “panic thrower” in him...that is when he’s about to be hit he either fades as hes releasing to avoid taking the full brunt of the hit or he just throws it up. I ain’t moving up to take a guy like that.

has a tendency to throw off his back foot and he’ll need to speed up that wind up a little too. Looks like he’s aiming the ball at times rather than letting it rip..

This is where his lack of college playing time is a factor. He really should have returned for one more year. Every draft analysis I've read says he's not NFL ready and projects him as a "project". With the possible exception of Chicago, I think his natural draft position is the 3rd round, which is perfect for us, if we want to go in that direction. I think it all comes down to what Culley sees in him and can he succeed in the offense Culley will put in place. Another concern is that his lack of mobility doesn't fit the modern game. Although not lacking totally in mobility, he's a pocket passer with some escape ability. So the question comes down to, do we want to take a chance with our 3rd, on a project.

 

[Mr teX]

This is where his lack of college playing time is a factor. He really should have returned for one more year. Every draft analysis I've read says he's not NFL ready and projects him as a "project". With the possible exception of Chicago, I think his natural draft position is the 3rd round, which is perfect for us, if we want to go in that direction. I think it all comes down to what Culley sees in him and can he succeed in the offense Culley will put in place. Another concern is that his lack of mobility doesn't fit the modern game. Although not lacking totally in mobility, he's a pocket passer with some escape ability. So the question comes down to, do we want to take a chance with our 3rd, on a project.

Answer for me would be no. That 3rd rounder needs to net us an immediate, young contributor, or be part of a package to net us 1.

 

[Number19]

Okay, here we are, three weeks from the draft. Today I spent a lot of time on the third mid-round QB - Kellen Mond. And I'm going to change my mind, again.

Yesterday I spent time studying Andy Reid's offense because David Culley coached under Reid for 17 years as Reid was developing his offense. I believe Culley is going to bring Reid's offense to the Texans.

Reid's offense is a college-professional hybrid, mostly college style, and requires a duel threat QB. It works mostly from the shotgun and the majority of the passing routes are the short-to-intermediate route tree, requiring quick reads and getting the ball out quickly.

Mond's skill set fits this offense very well; better than Mills, who is not as athletic as Mond, who is a duel threat QB. Mond rushed for 1,609 yards on 359 carries and had 22 rushing TD's at A&M.

He has his negatives. Overall, his accuracy is inconsistant. But he is very accurate and efficient in the short-to-intermediate range. He struggles when under pressure, but Reid's offense requires quick reads and a quick release. His decision making needs improvement, but again, Reid's offense minimizes this. And for the most part, this is true for most of his draft profile negatives. He still needs development, but he is a good fit for the Texans at our 67, 3rd round pick.

I still favor drafting a QB this year and saving our 1st round pick in 2022 to select an impact defensive player to replace Watt.

Overall, Mills is the better passer. But Mond is a better fit in a Reid style offense requiring a duel threat QB. And Mond had a superb 4 years against top rung SEC talent, passing for 9,661 yards with 71 touchdowns and only 27 interceptions, to go with his rushing stats. His senior year, he had only 3 interceptions to go with his 2,282 yards and 19 TD's.

So I'm going with Mond for our first pick.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Don’t want. Weak arm. Bad athlete.

They said Brady didn't have a good arm. Probably worse than Trask. Not a bad athlete, just not a runner, neither was a HOF QB named Manning.

 

[powda]

They said Brady didn't have a good arm. Probably worse than Trask. Not a bad athlete, just not a runner, neither was a HOF QB named Manning.

There's always some distant outlier people rest their hat on.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Trask or Newman. The rest of the highest rated QBs will be gone or are not as good. Newman sat out and needs to improve a bit. Trask is a pocket QB. Both are potential steals in this draft.

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Once a promising NFL Draft prospect, Wake Forest quarterback Jamie Newman is now in limbo. Can he rediscover his promise with the right team?

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[Number19]

Don’t want. Weak arm. Bad athlete.

Not a weak arm, an "adequate" arm. From what I've read, the Patriots will be drafting a QB to groom behind Cam Newton this year and to be ready to start in 2022. Trask is a perfect fit for the Erhardt-Perkins offense run by Belichick. I'm expecting Trask to be drafted by New England, possibly in the 1st, after trading down.

But after research, I now agree he is not a good fit for the offense I expect Culley to run in Houston, which needs a duel threat QB.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Not a weak arm, an "adequate" arm. From what I've read, the Patriots will be drafting a QB to groom behind Cam Newton this year and to be ready to start in 2022. Trask is a perfect fit for the Erhardt-Perkins offense run by Belichick. I'm expecting Trask to be drafted by New England, possibly in the 1st, after trading down.

But after research, I now agree he is not a good fit for the offense I expect Culley to run in Houston, which needs a duel threat QB.

I'd also like Newman who is a better arm talent and running QB. He sat last year so he has not shown much. But what he has is very good. Just has to improve his ability to read his progressions better. Another perhaps gem who can be there in the 4th or maybe 5th early due to lack of film.

Jamie Newman, QB, Wake Forest - NFL Draft Player Profile

Once a promising NFL Draft prospect, Wake Forest quarterback Jamie Newman is now in limbo. Can he rediscover his promise with the right team?

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[Jack Burton]

There's always some distant outlier people rest their hat on.

That’s Trask. Weak arm, worse athlete. At best a back up.

 

[steelbtexan]

This is where his lack of college playing time is a factor. He really should have returned for one more year. Every draft analysis I've read says he's not NFL ready and projects him as a "project". With the possible exception of Chicago, I think his natural draft position is the 3rd round, which is perfect for us, if we want to go in that direction. I think it all comes down to what Culley sees in him and can he succeed in the offense Culley will put in place. Another concern is that his lack of mobility doesn't fit the modern game. Although not lacking totally in mobility, he's a pocket passer with some escape ability. So the question comes down to, do we want to take a chance with our 3rd, on a project.

Agreed, he should've stayed in college 1 more yr.

QB's have to have some mobility, but QB's that can deliver throws from the pocket with accuracy and anticipation are winning championships.

 

[steelbtexan]

Answer for me would be no. That 3rd rounder needs to net us an immediate, young contributor, or be part of a package to net us 1.

This is shortsightedness. IMHO

They aren't going to win anything next yr even if they draft an all pro in the 3rd rd. If Caserio (He will be making this call not Culley) thinks Mills can be the QB of the future Caserio should pick him, sit him, let Taylor play and tank. Then use the 2022 draft to build the team around Mills skillset.

I guess this comes down to if you think Mills is a franchise QB. I really haven't decided on this yet. I really like his accuracy and anticipation, plus his arm strength. I dont like that he has a tendency to throw off of his back foot and I haven't had time to look at some of the issues that you brought up in a previous post. Although I would say that his delivery doesn't look abnomally long. It does bother me a bit that he that it looks like he has a tendency to lock onto his 1st read. This can be overcome by coaching.

What I really like is Mills is a very smart guy who's driven to succeed in any task that's put before him. Example: He graduated from Stanford early.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Just watched some video of the QB- Kellen Mond, A&M Pro Day and the first thing I noticed was the short, quick, and compact throwing motion. There was no big wind up to deliver his on target deep balls which looked pretty nice based on the arc and drop. No doubt receivers would appreciate that type of throw.

His stock is definitely moving up (maybe RD1 or early RD2) and out of the Texans chances. He delivered well on hs Pro Day.

 

[Texansphan]

Just watched some video of the QB- Kellen Mond, A&M Pro Day and the first thing I noticed was the short, quick, and compact throwing motion. There was no big wind up to deliver his on target deep balls which looked pretty nice based on the arc and drop. No doubt receivers would appreciate that type of throw.

His stock is definitely moving up (maybe RD1 or early RD2) and out of the Texans chances. He delivered well on hs Pro Day.

I read yesterday that Cincy has their eye on him.
Seems QBs are at a premium again - probably because next years crop doesn't look very attractive at this point.
Texans may well be in the QB doldrums for a few years yet.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I read yesterday that Cincy has their eye on him.
Seems QBs are at a premium again - probably because next years crop doesn't look very attractive at this point.
Texans may well be in the QB doldrums for a few years yet.

As long as the Texans keep their RD1 picks for the next 3 seasons.....they could be in a position to draft the next hot QB1 when they surface. 2022 and 2023 will have their media hyped selections for the QB's who put together big seasons. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc will have QB's coming into the NFL Draft around 2023....about the year the Texans could be ready for a QB that they just spent 2 seasons setting the table for.

 

[Mr teX]

This is shortsightedness. IMHO

They aren't going to win anything next yr even if they draft an all pro in the 3rd rd. If Caserio (He will be making this call not Culley) thinks Mills can be the QB of the future Caserio should pick him, sit him, let Taylor play and tank. Then use the 2022 draft to build the team around Mills skillset.

I guess this comes down to if you think Mills is a franchise QB. I really haven't decided on this yet. I really like his accuracy and anticipation, plus his arm strength. I dont like that he has a tendency to throw off of his back foot and I haven't had time to look at some of the issues that you brought up in a previous post. Although I would say that his delivery doesn't look abnomally long. It does bother me a bit that he that it looks like he has a tendency to lock onto his 1st read. This can be overcome by coaching.

What I really like is Mills is a very smart guy who's driven to succeed in any task that's put before him. Example: He graduated from Stanford early.

your viewpoint of my viewpoint is shortsighted if that makes sense lol.

an immediate contributor isn’t being brought in for the sake of trying to rescue the 2021 season. he’s just being brought in as someone who can contribute... immediately and to shore up a position that we suck at so that we’d have less to worry about in the future. If that individual winds up being at best a 2nd or 3rd WR cool. Anything over that is found money. And it’s not like that individual wouldnt be around for the following seasons either. Basically I’m saying go BPA where we’re at and hope for the best instead of expending extra resources moving up for someone where you’re gonna be doing the same thing only placing higher expectations on that individual.

 

[badboy]

I'd also like Newman who is a better arm talent and running QB. He sat last year so he has not shown much. But what he has is very good. Just has to improve his ability to read his progressions better. Another perhaps gem who can be there in the 4th or maybe 5th early due to lack of film.

Jamie Newman, QB, Wake Forest - NFL Draft Player Profile

Once a promising NFL Draft prospect, Wake Forest quarterback Jamie Newman is now in limbo. Can he rediscover his promise with the right team?

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I like what little I've seen of him. if we have the quarterback coach we're supposed to have, Newman should be just as good as any other development quarterback not expected to start.

 

[Jack Burton]

Rumors swirling that Mills could go in the 1st...

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Draft rumors 2021: Davis Mills in round one?

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are bringing back all 22 starters from their Super Bowl-winning squad from a season ago. What better time to add a new quarterback...

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Could Davis Mills be a Round 1 pick? Peter Schrager explains why it could happen

Could Stanford quarterback Davis Mills be a Round 1 pick? NFL Network's Peter Schrager explains why it could happen.

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[OptimisticTexan]

Rumors swirling that Mills could go in the 1st...

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Draft rumors 2021: Davis Mills in round one?

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are bringing back all 22 starters from their Super Bowl-winning squad from a season ago. What better time to add a new quarterback...

nflmocks.com

Could Davis Mills be a Round 1 pick? Peter Schrager explains why it could happen

Could Stanford quarterback Davis Mills be a Round 1 pick? NFL Network's Peter Schrager explains why it could happen.

www.nfl.com

I did happen to mention that Mills and TB might be a solid match.

 

[Jack Burton]

I did happen to mention that Mills and TB might be a solid match.

Stanford's Davis Mills: The best draft QB no one is talking about

Mills' greatest shortcoming: a lack of starts. He'll get to show off his big arm and soft touch at the Cardinal's pro day next week.

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Hopefully Mills still falls to the 2nd and HOU can trade up and snag him.

 

[steelbtexan]

your viewpoint of my viewpoint is shortsighted if that makes sense lol.

an immediate contributor isn’t being brought in for the sake of trying to rescue the 2021 season. he’s just being brought in as someone who can contribute... immediately and to shore up a position that we suck at so that we’d have less to worry about in the future. If that individual winds up being at best a 2nd or 3rd WR cool. Anything over that is found money. And it’s not like that individual wouldnt be around for the following seasons either. Basically I’m saying go BPA where we’re at and hope for the best instead of expending extra resources moving up for someone where you’re gonna be doing the same thing only placing higher expectations on that individual.

LOL

If you think Mills can be your QB you pick him even if it means trading up to get him. Obviously you dont think he can, I'm on the fence. I see Mills as a more talented Schaub. (Better arm) But I certainly see holes in his game. I wouldn't have an issue with Caserio trading up for Mills because I think these issues can be fixed.

I do get the point of your post though and agree with the premise of BPA.

 

[JB]

I don't think either will be there, but I'd like to see Ossai or Samuel

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't think either will be there, but I'd like to see Ossai or Samuel

2 very good players

Long gone though

I also like the U of Washington CB's alot and there's a good chance 1 or both of them could be there at the top of the 3rd. Taylor may even be there in the 4th.

 

[Texansphan]

Slightly better Schaub imo. With a clean pocket he like a lot of guys looks good. But He’s got a little of that “panic thrower” in him...that is when he’s about to be hit he either fades as hes releasing to avoid taking the full brunt of the hit or he just throws it up. I ain’t moving up to take a guy like that.

has a tendency to throw off his back foot and he’ll need to speed up that wind up a little too. Looks like he’s aiming the ball at times rather than letting it rip..

If he's better than pre-Linsfranc Schaub, I'd take that.

 

[Mr teX]

If he's better than pre-Linsfranc Schaub, I'd take that.

When I made that statement I was saying that that’s his roof....he still has to ascend to that level. If he doesn’t make it, you’re gonna be left with post Lis-franc Schaub......or something worse.

 

[steelbtexan]

When I made that statement I was saying that that’s his roof....he still has to ascend to that level. If he doesn’t make it, you’re gonna be left with post Lis-franc Schaub......or something worse.

I disagree with this post.

Mills is much more athletically gifted than Schaub and has a much higher ceiling than Schaub.

 

[Mr teX]

I disagree with this post.

Mills is much more athletically gifted than Schaub and has a much higher ceiling than Schaub.

fair enough..just my opinion of course.

 

[SnakeEyes]

I did happen to mention that Mills and TB might be a solid match.

They can have him. He showed more last year than Newman. However, Newman sat out due to covid. Newman has a pro bowl ceiling IF you put him with a good staff to rid him of a few small things. Like a slight wind-up motion that he has been getting away from. Becoming more of what you want with a tight and compact release.

 

[Number19]

Here are comments on Mills' athletic ability from 7 scouting reports. Every single one says the same thing.

...Mills does not have the same scrambling ability ... mainly a pocket passer...

... Davis Mills can and should be identified as a pocket passer...athletic enough to shake off a defender or two and deliver a strike...

...not mobile enough to benefit from running...

...Nobody will mistake Mills as Lamar Jackson or Patric Mahomet but he has the ability to be shifty in the pocket...

...He's not a running quarterback but he's mobile enough...

...Lacks overall mobility to add another threat to his game, won't extend plays often...

...Mills is most certainly a pocket passer...has enough speed to evade when he has space...somewhat limited in the modern NFL...Mills is only an average athlete...not particularly elusive or creative as a runner...limitations as a modern-age quarterback...Mills is a pocket passer, his skill set is becoming increasingly outdated...

So my question is, will you, the posters on this forum, be OK with the Texans remaining an outdated offense? I thought comments over the past few years generally favored the modern college style offense. Of course the wheel always turns and there will be the exception, when old school is successful. But is this the direction fans want the Texans to go?

Is Mills, with his athletic limitations, a QB the Texans should seriously consider?

 

[Jack Burton]

Here are comments on Mills' athletic ability from 7 scouting reports. Every single one says the same thing.

So my question is, will you, the posters on this forum, be OK with the Texans remaining an outdated offense? I thought comments over the past few years generally favored the modern college style offense. Of course the wheel always turns and there will be the exception, when old school is successful. But is this the direction fans want the Texans to go?

Is Mills, with his athletic limitations, a QB the Texans should seriously consider?

Those comments sound like they are describing Tom Brady, the GOAT and reigning SB Champion, who is apparently really “outdated” at 43 years old. LOL.

 

[Number19]

Those comments sound like they are describing Tom Brady, the GOAT and reigning SB Champion, who is apparently really “outdated” at 43 years old. LOL.

I read a comment about Mahomes the other day. Someone walked in on him while he was studying film. Nothing unusual about that, except - the film was black and white and the players were wearing leather helmets!

Leather helmets? What was he studying? The single wing?

Brady is the past. Mahomes is the future.

 

[cuppacoffee]

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This sites shows both Trask and Mills there at 67.

Mond still there. Do we want a QB this year with our first pick?

Highest rated defensive player left is Richie Grant, S, UCF

Good way to get away from all the Watson stuff.

 

[Jack Burton]

I read a comment about Mahomes the other day. Someone walked in on him while he was studying film. Nothing unusual about that, except - the film was black and white and the players were wearing leather helmets!

Leather helmets? What was he studying? The single wing?

Brady is the past. Mahomes is the future.

And Brady just beat the future. Jeez, what can’t this guy do?
LOL.

Also, Mahomes is as good in the pocket as he is out. Mahomes is a carbon copy of Elway. And Elway did it when you could literally murder the QB.
Mahomes isn’t a dual-threat QB.
He’s a pocket passer with a rocket arm, who when pressed can escape and get yards with his feet and throw on the run.
This isnt new and it isn’t anything the NFL is suddenly trending towards.
Every NFL team ultimately wants that kind of a QB. They are rare. My #1 QB in this draft is Z Wilson cause he appears do all those things. Good luck getting him.

Were talking about best case QB scenario“s THIS YEAR for HOU in the pickle they are in.

Ultimately, I think many of us would love if HOU just tanked and got Sam Howell #1 next year.
That’s ultimately our best case scenario.
Rocket arm, really good from the pocket, mobile and has wheels, excellent throwing on the run and built like a taller Russell Wilson.

 

[Lucky]

This sites shows both Trask and Mills there at 67.

Mond still there. Do we want a QB this year with our first pick?

Highest rated defensive player left is Richie Grant, S, UCF

I think all of these QBs will be there when the Texans pick. I've seen Grant going from the early 2nd as the first Safety off the board, to late 3rd as the 6th Safety taken. Grant's draft slot really depends on how much teams value production (good for Grant) vs upside (poor for a player who will be 24 when he plays his first game).

 

[Number19]

Ultimately, I think many of us would love if HOU just tanked and got Sam Howell #1 next year.
That’s ultimately our best case scenario.
Rocket arm, really good from the pocket, mobile and has wheels, excellent throwing on the run and built like a taller Russell Wilson.

Sounds good. Two things. First, I'd like an impact defensive lineman to replace Watt, with that pick, unless we need a QB. Second, we will still need a quality QB backup. Mond's bottom is projected in that role. I'd go ahead and use our 3rd on Mond and then start him early and see what we have. Next draft I'd then decide if we needed to draft Howell.

 

[Jack Burton]

Sounds good. Two things. First, I'd like an impact defensive lineman to replace Watt, with that pick, unless we need a QB. Second, we will still need a quality QB backup. Lund's bottom is projected in that role. I'd go ahead and use our 3rd on Lund and then start him early and see what we have. Next draft I'd then decide if we needed to draft Howell.

Lund?

 

[Number19]

Lund?

Fixed

 

[Jack Burton]

Fixed

Yeah, Mond is good. I like him a lot too and there a real buzz he also doesn’t get out of the 2nd. See my posts from yesterday on this thread. Today, Chris Simms has Mond above both Lance and Fields on his QB rankings.
He’s going to be poached before the 3rd, man.
I doubt he gets past pick 40. He’s right there with Mills in terms of teams coveting him as an elite, starting QB.
I don’t think either make it past pick 40.
Too many teams need QBs, and too many have lingering issues like MIN or PITT.
I would have no problem with HOU going up with this years 3rd and next years 2nd to get either QB.

 

[Jack Burton]

I listen to a boatload of podcasts.

 

[Number19]

Yeah, Mond is good. I like him a lot too and there a real buzz he also doesn’t get out of the 2nd. See my posts from yesterday on this thread. Today, Chris Simms has Mond above both Lance and Fields on his QB rankings.
He’s going to be poached before the 3rd, man.
I doubt he gets past pick 40. He’s right there with Mills in terms of teams coveting him as an elite, starting QB.
I don’t think either make it past pick 40.
Too many teams need QBs, and too many have lingering issues like MIN or PITT.
I would have no problem with HOU going up with this years 3rd and next years 2nd to get either QB.

40 is the Denver Broncos. I have a check mark by their name as a team that may be interested in either Mond or Mills. But they just took Lock in the 2nd round in 2019. I'm kinda thinking they won't go QB as early as the 2nd. Least I'm hoping.so.

I also have check marks beside Washington at 51 and Chicago at 52. Chicago could go either way, but seem to be leaning to Mills. They were impressed at his rainy day work out.

Washington needs a QB behind Fitz but also have higher priorities for this coming season. I'm hoping the 2nd is too early for them to take a QB.

If Mond can just get by these 3 teams, he may fall to the Texans in the 3rd. What the Texans have going for them is that both Mills and Mond are projects and to take a project in the 2nd is usually considered overdraft ing. The 3rd would be their normal slotting

If he doesn't fall, those who would rather the Texans not take a QB this year would be pleased.

Today, I'm not willing to give up the draft capital to move ahead of Chicago and Washington. I have 3 weeks to have my mind changed.

 

[Jack Burton]

40 is the Denver Broncos. I have a check mark by their name as a team that may be interested in either Mond or Mills. But they just took Lock in the 2nd round in 2019. I'm kinda thinking they won't go QB as early as the 2nd. Least I'm hoping.so.

I also have check marks beside Washington at 51 and Chicago at 52. Chicago could go either way, but seem to be leaning to Mills. They were impressed at his rainy day work out.

Washington needs a QB behind Fitz but also have higher priorities for this coming season. I'm hoping the 2nd is too early for them to take a QB.

If Mond can just get by these 3 teams, he may fall to the Texans in the 3rd. What the Texans have going for them is that both Mills and Mond are projects and to take a project in the 2nd is usually considered overdraft ing. The 3rd would be their normal slotting

If he doesn't fall, those who would rather the Texans not take a QB this year would be pleased.

Today, I'm not willing to give up the draft capital to move ahead of Chicago and Washington. I have 3 weeks to have my mind changed.

If they were to go get Mond or Mills, they aren’t getting a QB the following year. This would be their guy.

I’m torn cause if they do tank and end up with that 1st pick in 2022, Sam Howell is pro ready. Hell, he’s pro ready today. He broke almost all of Lawrence’s ACC records as a freshman, FFS.

QB Sam Howell NC

Strengths: Footwork - Howell has some of the best footwork I've seen from a college QB. His ability to create a base for himself is amazing. I have barely seen any heel clicks or crossing feet in his drop back. Also he escapes the pocket very well and can create space for himself

Deep Ball - Once again, it's beautiful. He puts the ball right on the money where only his receiver can get it.

Accuracy/Arm strength - Although he isn't elite in this category, he definitely has this at the level of a NFL starter
Big Arm with a variety of different throws from numerous platforms.

Pro Ready - UNC plays a very modern spread/RPO style offense similar to the Chiefs. I expect to see this more and more in the NFL in the next few years and he fits it perfectly.

Weaknesses: Pre snap reads - A lot of the times he sticks to the play given and stares down the first read. At this level it works, but as he gets to the NFL, he needs to learn to adjust.

Poise - Although he's great at escaping, he needs to become better in staying in the pocket

Howell reminds me of a cross between Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. Many also say he’s got a lot of Baker Mayfield in him. Although I wouldn't say he's at the level of Lawrence yet, he could easily be the QB1 of the 2022 class if he keeps performing like he has.

 

[steelbtexan]

Here are comments on Mills' athletic ability from 7 scouting reports. Every single one says the same thing.

So my question is, will you, the posters on this forum, be OK with the Texans remaining an outdated offense? I thought comments over the past few years generally favored the modern college style offense. Of course the wheel always turns and there will be the exception, when old school is successful. But is this the direction fans want the Texans to go?

Is Mills, with his athletic limitations, a QB the Texans should seriously consider?

Guys that can deliver with accuracy/anticipation from the pocket are the guys that are winning SB's. According to this post winning SB's is outdated.

It's not like Mills cant move. He's just not a scrambling at 1st sign of pressure type QB and that's a good thing.

 

[steelbtexan]

If they were to go get Mond or Mills, they aren’t getting a QB the following year. This would be their guy.

I’m torn cause if they do tank and end up with that 1st pick in 2022, Sam Howell is pro ready. Hell, he’s pro ready today. He broke almost all of Lawrence’s ACC records as a freshman, FFS.

QB Sam Howell NC

Strengths: Footwork - Howell has some of the best footwork I've seen from a college QB. His ability to create a base for himself is amazing. I have barely seen any heel clicks or crossing feet in his drop back. Also he escapes the pocket very well and can create space for himself

Deep Ball - Once again, it's beautiful. He puts the ball right on the money where only his receiver can get it.

Accuracy/Arm strength - Although he isn't elite in this category, he definitely has this at the level of a NFL starter
Big Arm with a variety of different throws from numerous platforms.

Pro Ready - UNC plays a very modern spread/RPO style offense similar to the Chiefs. I expect to see this more and more in the NFL in the next few years and he fits it perfectly.

Weaknesses: Pre snap reads - A lot of the times he sticks to the play given and stares down the first read. At this level it works, but as he gets to the NFL, he needs to learn to adjust.

Poise - Although he's great at escaping, he needs to become better in staying in the pocket

Howell reminds me of a cross between Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. Many also say he’s got a lot of Baker Mayfield in him. Although I wouldn't say he's at the level of Lawrence yet, he could easily be the QB1 of the 2022 class if he keeps performing like he has.

Mond will be there in the 3rd for a reason. Mills wont be.

I just dont understand all of thelove for Mond. I guess it must be because he's an Aggie. With the Texans Marketing division I could see Mond as the Texans pick. I also cant see them winning a championship with Mond at QB. He's a younger Taylor.

I really dont like Howell either, especially in 2022 at 1-1.

 

[Number19]

Mond will be there in the 3rd for a reason. Mills wont be.

I just dont understand all of thelove for Mond. I guess it must be because he's an Aggie. With the Texans Marketing division I could see Mond as the Texans pick. I also cant see them winning a championship with Mond at QB. He's a younger Taylor.

I really dont like Howell either, especially in 2022 at 1-1.

It's real simple, we need to start developing a young QB in the offensive system Culley will be bringing to the Texans.

Because Culley worked under Andy Reid for 17 years, it is likely this is the offense he will implement; and this offense is designed to utilize the skill set of a dual threat QB.

Mond is a dual threat quarterback.