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Should we trade Watson?

Should we trade Watson?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

  • Yes, depending on compensation (please list your trade scenario).

  • No, never.

  • No, unless he plays hardball and sits.

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OptimisticTexan said:
These players don’t tend to pull this shite with good organizations....just the crap ones like the Texans and Jaguars for example.
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They do just it doesn’t get noticed as much because winning fixes everything. Look at the Pats, Brady forced his replacement to be traded and Gronk was going o be traded to Detroit and so he “retired” instead.

Rodgers made GB replace the HC and he has been making the front office over there have nightmares for years, of course they’ve done the same to him.

Wilson wants out of Seattle and is making it known but it’s getting overshadowed by the Watson situation. Finally Pittsburg is about to have an issue with Big Ben because he’s not the QB he once was and he’s a big hit on their cap.

In reality the most easy going and easy to deal with of the long term, franchise QBs has been Brees. He has basically just shown up and taken care of business every year then when he did retire it was done to give Saints as much time to prepare as possible. That man will never buy his own drinks in Louisiana again.

What makes the Watson deal so unique and so news worthy is that A: he is in the prime of his career and B: Texans did right buy him by paying him what the market said he was worth and not trying to screw him over. They took the steps that teams have taken since the age of the franchise QB started to lock down the face of their team long term and Watson is the first QB that it’s not good enough for.
 
maverick512000 said:
They do just it doesn’t get noticed as much because winning fixes everything. Look at the Pats, Brady forced his replacement to be traded and Gronk was going o be traded to Detroit and so he “retired” instead.

Rodgers made GB replace the HC and he has been making the front office over there have nightmares for years, of course they’ve done the same to him.

Wilson wants out of Seattle and is making it known but it’s getting overshadowed by the Watson situation. Finally Pittsburg is about to have an issue with Big Ben because he’s not the QB he once was and he’s a big hit on their cap.

In reality the most easy going and easy to deal with of the long term, franchise QBs has been Brees. He has basically just shown up and taken care of business every year then when he did retire it was done to give Saints as much time to prepare as possible. That man will never buy his own drinks in Louisiana again.

What makes the Watson deal so unique and so news worthy is that A: he is in the prime of his career and B: Texans did right buy him by paying him what the market said he was worth and not trying to screw him over. They took the steps that teams have taken since the age of the franchise QB started to lock down the face of their team long term and Watson is the first QB that it’s not good enough for.
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Spot On

This is why teams have to be very careful who they give big money too and why it's always better to move on if you have a talented guy with this attitude. You cant win with them. They're me 1st and always type people, not lets do what's best for the team. Obviously and a few like Corrosion and me said that not making DW4 play out his contract before extending him was a mistake. Now posters can see why I took the stance I did and that was only part of why I took the stance I did.
 
steelbtexan said:
Spot On

This is why teams have to be very careful who they give big money too and why it's always better to move on if you have a talented guy with this attitude. You cant win with them. They're me 1st and always type people, not lets do what's best for the team. Obviously and a few like Corrosion and me said that not making DW4 play out his contract before extending him was a mistake. Now posters can see why I took the stance I did and that was only part of why I took the stance I did.
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I get the "i told you so mentality" especially given all the hell you've personally gone through here. Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. That said, I hope your not absolving the franchise from stupid behavior.
 
powda said:
I get the "i told you so mentality" especially given all the hell you've personally gone through here. Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. That said, I hope your not absolving the franchise from stupid behavior.
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Hindsight, as it turns out, proves that SteelB was correct in predicting a bad ending with Watson. And you don't need hindsight to know the Texans are a dumbass piece of sh!t organization. So congratulations to everyone, it turns out we're all correct, we all get a piece of the apple pie and a f@cked up NFL franchise.
 
powda said:
I get the "i told you so mentality" especially given all the hell you've personally gone through here. Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. That said, I hope your not absolving the franchise from stupid behavior.
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Not at all.

I've said the McNairs only care about money 1st and foremost. If they happen to win that's a bonus.
 
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Earl34 said:
Before you break your arm patting yourself on the back. Here are some facts. You didn't want Watson extended because you don't think he's a good QB and not worth the contract. @Corrosion didn't want him extended because of the unknown salary cap in 2021. None of it had to do with his attitude, his IG girlfriend or who he is hanging out with. No one has ever said Watson is a problem guy with an attitude. By all accounts, this is out of character for Watson. You are just taking gratuitous shots and always ready to "chum the waters". This nonsense is just icing on the cake to you and you love it.

Before you claim I'm a WOF. I disagree with the way Watson is handling this. He and/or his agent should meet with Caserio and lay out exactly what his issue is or what offended him to the point they are at this impasse. He has to understand he signed this contract, the QB market and the impact to team. IMHO, something happened after BOB was fired and he thought Cal would address it. It wasn't and we now have this nonsense.

Until you find out exactly what happened, I would hold off on making your celebratory rounds.
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I have always said DW4's a good QB, just not the elite QB you think he is. What's going on now speaks for itself. I also agreed with Corrosion about his contract being an anvil. Hopefully Caserio uses the petulant childishness of DW4 as an excuse to get out from under this contract and for the 1st time since the teams inception build this team correctly.

BTW, maybe this isn't out of character for DW4. Maybe I just didn't want to go there for obvious reasons. Anyway I think it's pretty easy to see how over the last 2 yrs how DW4's personal life has changed and now it's bled over into his professional life. Do you think it's a coincidence DW4 changed in his personal life after he got paid? I dont. He is who he is and who he has been for awhile now. DW4 fans were just blind to it. Speaking of coincidences, do you think it's a coincidence that DW4 only wants to play for minority GM/HC's? I dont and I think we know what that would be called if the shoe was on the other foot.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I have always said DW4's a good QB, just not the elite QB you think he is. What's going on now speaks for itself. I also agreed with Corrosion about his contract being an anvil. Hopefully Caserio uses the petulant childishness of DW4 as an excuse to get out from under this contract and for the 1st time since the teams inception build this team correctly.

BTW, maybe this isn't out of character for DW4. Maybe I just didn't want to go there for obvious reasons. Anyway I think it's pretty easy to see how over the last 2 yrs how DW4's personal life has changed and now it's bled over into his professional life. Do you think it's a coincidence DW4 changed in his personal life after he got paid? I dont. He is who he is and who he has been for awhile now. DW4 fans were just blind to it. Speaking of coincidences, do you think it's a coincidence that DW4 only wants to play for minority GM/HC's? I dont and I think we know what that would be called if the shoe was on the other foot.
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You're not going to pull me into a defend DW4 rabbit hole. I'm already on record that they can trade him and I don't agree with the way he is handling this issue.

When you have facts instead of coincidences, speculation and innuendoes that fits your agenda, I will gladly discuss or even say you were right. When we hear what Watson's issue with the team or what offended him, we can discuss. Until then, I'll step aside with my popcorn and let you continue "chumming the waters".
 
Watson was ok but not elite, Watson has zero anticipation with his throws on mid routes, etc, etc were the arguments always being made. None of todays crap was ever mentioned until it was already public knowledge. By the way, regardless of the contract signed.....the McNair's are making it known whenever possible that they have no desire to trade Watson, so that would lead me to believe, they're absolutely fine with the money they agreed to pay Watson.

As for the original arguments made and paraded around on a daily basis.....Watson's 2020 campaign pretty much put those arguments to rest with a better than expected season while surrounded by a lass than attractive NFL franchise.

The same can be said about Hopkins as well. I don't give two shites what that man does on his personal time so long as it's not illegal. What Hopkins did on the field of play is what he was paid to do and he did it to a level and with the tenacity that few NFL WR's do it at...hence his eventual enshrinement into NFL HoF.
 
theCATALYST said:
The more and more I read about Watson being disgruntled, the more and more I get the urge to see him traded. Anyone who has paid attention knows I love Watson the QB. I have defended him in numerous threads. I also think he is a bonafide top 5 QB in this league with massive potential to win it all with the right weapons.

That said, if he is truly hurt over his participation or lack thereof in the selection of a GM, then I cannot feel bad for him. If he think's the Houston franchise is insensitive where it pertains to social justice, I cannot agree with him.

If rumors are true and Miami is a likely trade partner, then I want to see it done.
Watson and Cunningham for 2021 1st (#3), 2021 2nd, 2022 1st and Tua'.

This teams needs draft choices and cap space. This trade alleviates those issues, and casts off a personnel issue.
What would you like to see happen?
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I would rather see him go to the Jets, they have more to offer as compensation.
 
maverick512000 said:
They do just it doesn’t get noticed as much because winning fixes everything. Look at the Pats, Brady forced his replacement to be traded and Gronk was going o be traded to Detroit and so he “retired” instead.

Rodgers made GB replace the HC and he has been making the front office over there have nightmares for years, of course they’ve done the same to him.

Wilson wants out of Seattle and is making it known but it’s getting overshadowed by the Watson situation. Finally Pittsburg is about to have an issue with Big Ben because he’s not the QB he once was and he’s a big hit on their cap.
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I heard some reports a couple weeks ago that it was the Seahawks who were considering moving on from Wilson - because of the cap hit they were thinking about going with a rookie QB.

If they could trade Wilson to the Jets or Dolphins for #2 or 3 .... they get either Wilson or Fields.

Roethlisberger is an interesting situation. He's due $22.25m even if they cut him or he retires in a $12.5m signing bonus and a guaranteed "restructure bonus" of $9.75m.
His salary this season is only $4m but also has a roster bonus of $15m for a total cap hit of $41.25m. That's 22.9% of the cap. I don't know how they clean that mess up.
Maybe they move some guaranteed money to future years cap to get his number down to ~$25m and put the rest into "restructure bonuses" in future years .... or just cut him and eat the $22.5m and move on.
 
steelbtexan said:
Spot On

This is why teams have to be very careful who they give big money too and why it's always better to move on if you have a talented guy with this attitude. You cant win with them. They're me 1st and always type people, not lets do what's best for the team. Obviously and a few like Corrosion and me said that not making DW4 play out his contract before extending him was a mistake. Now posters can see why I took the stance I did and that was only part of why I took the stance I did.
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In hindsight .... The Texans are better off for having extended Watson. Without that extension , they wouldn't have the leverage to trade him for the type of trade packages we've been talking about the past few weeks (3+ #1 picks).
If he was on the last year of that rookie deal .... they couldn't command so much compensation.

This only matters because he is trying to force his way out. If he were willing to sign that same extension today , they would be better off not having signed him prior.

They lucked into doing the right thing.
 
Corrosion said:
In hindsight .... The Texans are better off for having extended Watson. Without that extension , they wouldn't have the leverage to trade him for the type of trade packages we've been talking about the past few weeks (3+ #1 picks).
If he was on the last year of that rookie deal .... they couldn't command so much compensation.

This only matters because he is trying to force his way out. If he were willing to sign that same extension today , they would be better off not having signed him prior.

They lucked into doing the right thing.
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Yeah as much as the money hit hurts it’s what is allowing them to play hardball and what is keeping them from looking really, really stupid. Since we lost our picks getting Tunsil not having signed the contract wouldn’t even help the draft situation. All it might do is let us sign some more F/A but seeing as we would be in the QB scramble with the picks to trade like Rams had it would truly be whatever scraps are left.
 
Earl34 said:
Before you break your arm patting yourself on the back. Here are some facts. You didn't want Watson extended because you don't think he's a good QB and not worth the contract. @Corrosion didn't want him extended because of the unknown salary cap in 2021. None of it had to do with his attitude, his IG girlfriend or who he is hanging out with. No one has ever said Watson is a problem guy with an attitude. By all accounts, this is out of character for Watson. You are just taking gratuitous shots and always ready to "chum the waters". This nonsense is just icing on the cake to you and you love it.

Before you claim I'm a WOF. I disagree with the way Watson is handling this. He and/or his agent should meet with Caserio and lay out exactly what his issue is or what offended him to the point they are at this impasse. He has to understand he signed this contract, the QB market and the impact to team. IMHO, something happened after BOB was fired and he thought Cal would address it. It wasn't and we now have this nonsense.

Until you find out exactly what happened, I would hold off on making your celebratory rounds.
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There were a lot of reasons I didn't want Watson extended at the time -

Most of those had to do with the cap issues but some of it was performance / results based.

Is he really such a great player or just putting up numbers as a result of circumstances ?! We really didn't have that question answered. I thought we really needed to see him in a totally different offense to really answer that with any certainty.

If it weren't for the issues surrounding the contract and power struggle his agent is trying to create between players and ownership & how that affects parity / competition , I'd be perfectly content trading him to the Jets for their 2 #1's and #2 this year and their two #1's and #2 next year .... I'd take Zach Wilson and not look back.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
As for the original arguments made and paraded around on a daily basis.....Watson's 2020 campaign pretty much put those arguments to rest with a better than expected season while surrounded by a lass than attractive NFL franchise.
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As I said in the post above , I don't think 2020 answered my questions with any certainty.

What we saw was a guy who put up a bunch of numbers that didn't translate to wins and the vast majority of those numbers were when they were behind by multiple scores where defenses change how they play.

What we saw was a guy who was fantastic when he got the ball out in less than 3 seconds , but a guy who was a bottom 8 passer when he took longer than 3 seconds to let it fly ... the numbers speak for themselves.

What we saw was a guy who put up a single TD over the course of two seasons on opening drives.

We don't really know if this is Watson , the scheme or some combination of the two.

I'd have fired OB after the KC debacle and we'd have never reached this point .... and we'd have seen him in a different offense .... and then made a decision on extending him for $160m ....
 
Earl34 said:
You're not going to pull me into a defend DW4 rabbit hole. I'm already on record that they can trade him and I don't agree with the way he is handling this issue.

When you have facts instead of coincidences, speculation and innuendoes that fits your agenda, I will gladly discuss or even say you were right. When we hear what Watson's issue with the team or what offended him, we can discuss. Until then, I'll step aside with my popcorn and let you continue "chumming the waters".
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I wasn't trying to drag you into a rabbit hole.

I agree lets wait and see.

I also think there are some here (Not you) that are going to have to except 2 facts if they want to remain Texans fans. 1. DW4 most likely ain't gonna be here much longer. 2. Easterby ain't going anywhere until next offseason.
 
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Corrosion said:
In hindsight .... The Texans are better off for having extended Watson. Without that extension , they wouldn't have the leverage to trade him for the type of trade packages we've been talking about the past few weeks (3+ #1 picks).
If he was on the last year of that rookie deal .... they couldn't command so much compensation.

This only matters because he is trying to force his way out. If he were willing to sign that same extension today , they would be better off not having signed him prior.

They lucked into doing the right thing.
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If he's as good as many think he is, there would still be teams lining up on Kirby trying to make deals for DW4.
 
Corrosion said:
There's quite the difference in trading a guy who's in the last year of his deal and a guy who's got 5 years on his deal and the team he's leaving is eating 17% of the total contract.
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Agreed, but a young top 5 elite QB is worth it to any franchise. Particularly franchises that dont have a franchise QB.
 
I forget which poster said it was "known" Watson wanted to go to New York. It seems those same sources are saying he does not want to go to New York. That would make sense if we take what he said during his last interview at face value. I honestly don't see the Jets wanting to trade away the 2nd overall pick under any circumstances anyway. This is especially the case if Zach Wilson has perfect footwork and a "first one in, last one out" work ethic as some posters have said he does. Wilson is presumably a lock for multiple Pro-Bowls and All-Pro selections so why trade for Watson?

In my opinion, a trade with SF makes the most sense for both sides. The Niners are a good QB away from multiple SB appearances. They already have a Top 5 defense without Bosa. So I could see a package that includes maybe Bosa, Jimmy G (if willing to be traded), Kittle and a 1st and 2nd rounder for Watson. Sure, the Jets have picks, but the Niners have proven players on rookie deals. Even coming off injury, Bosa is worth at least a couple of 1sts alone. Since Watson has publicly spoken about not wanting to be a part of an organization with "no real foundation in view," it would make sense for him to go to a franchise with a strong front office with a proven track record. If he's willing to be dealt, I think SF is Houston's most likely trade partner. But this is all conjecture on my part.

Most importantly, this might be one of the few scenarios where both steelbtexan and I would be completely happy. Watson would be off the team and the Texans would have Jimmy G (finally!!!!!), a defensive anchor and picks. Steel would be elated. For me, Watson gets to go to a franchise with more stability and an offensive genius of a HC. I also like the 49ers and wish they had drafted Watson in the first place. I see this as a "win" for everyone involved.

My absolute dream scenario would be Watson getting moved to SF and then JJ signing a team friendly deal with the 49ers. Too soon?
 
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Niners are a great option for Watson but I can’t see them putting a package together that would work for us. If they want to shop Jimmy for some extra picks then maybe ...
 
ClemsonTexan said:
I forget which poster said it was "known" Watson wanted to go to New York. It seems those same sources are saying he does not want to go to New York. That would make sense if we take what he said during his last interview at face value. I honestly don't see the Jets wanting to trade away the 2nd overall pick under any circumstances anyway. This is especially the case if Zach Wilson has perfect footwork and a "first one in, last one out" work ethic as some posters have said he does. Wilson is presumably a lock for multiple Pro-Bowls and All-Pro selections so why trade for Watson?

In my opinion, a trade with SF makes the most sense for both sides. The Niners are a good QB away from multiple SB appearances. They already have a Top 5 defense without Bosa. So I could see a package that includes maybe Bosa, Jimmy G (if willing to be traded), Kittle and a 1st and 2nd rounder for Watson. Sure, the Jets have picks, but the Niners have proven players on rookie deals. Even coming off injury, Bosa is worth at least a couple of 1sts alone. Since Watson has publicly spoken about not wanting to be a part of an organization with "no real foundation in view," it would make sense for him to go to a franchise with a strong front office with a proven track record. If he's willing to be dealt, I think SF is Houston's most likely trade partner. But this is all conjecture on my part.

Most importantly, this might be one of the few scenarios where both steelbtexan and I would be completely happy. Watson would be off the team and the Texans would have Jimmy G (finally!!!!!), a defensive anchor and picks. Steel would be elated. For me, Watson gets to go to a franchise with more stability and an offensive genius of a HC. I also like the 49ers and wish they had drafted Watson in the first place. I see this as a "win" for everyone involved.

My absolute dream scenario would be Watson getting moved to SF and then JJ signing a team friendly deal with the 49ers. Too soon?
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I wouldn't be elated with that package. The 49ers send a bunch of injury prone players and a couple of not high picks to the Texans for DW4.

I will take Bosa and Warner plus #12 and #44 and a 2022 1st for DW4 and a 2022 3rd.
 
ClemsonTexan said:
The Red and Gold would look better on them in all honesty. I do like the Texans' uniforms though.

What do you think about a straight up trade with Jimmy G? He is THAT good. With the weapons the Texans have on offense, I can't see you guys being less than a 10 win team.
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Depending on who/what they got in a trade for DW4 I could see this happening. Give me 12/44/Bosa /Warner and Jimmy G and I'm on board. Jimmy G if healthy is very good. If he cant stay healthy the team will have a top 5 pick in the 2022 draft and the 49ers pick.
 
steelbtexan said:
I have always said DW4's a good QB, just not the elite QB you think he is. What's going on now speaks for itself. I also agreed with Corrosion about his contract being an anvil. Hopefully Caserio uses the petulant childishness of DW4 as an excuse to get out from under this contract and for the 1st time since the teams inception build this team correctly.

BTW, maybe this isn't out of character for DW4. Maybe I just didn't want to go there for obvious reasons. Anyway I think it's pretty easy to see how over the last 2 yrs how DW4's personal life has changed and now it's bled over into his professional life. Do you think it's a coincidence DW4 changed in his personal life after he got paid? I dont. He is who he is and who he has been for awhile now. DW4 fans were just blind to it. Speaking of coincidences, do you think it's a coincidence that DW4 only wants to play for minority GM/HC's? I dont and I think we know what that would be called if the shoe was on the other foot.
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So very true and well said
 
maverick512000 said:
They do just it doesn’t get noticed as much because winning fixes everything. Look at the Pats, Brady forced his replacement to be traded and Gronk was going o be traded to Detroit and so he “retired” instead.

Rodgers made GB replace the HC and he has been making the front office over there have nightmares for years, of course they’ve done the same to him.

Wilson wants out of Seattle and is making it known but it’s getting overshadowed by the Watson situation. Finally Pittsburg is about to have an issue with Big Ben because he’s not the QB he once was and he’s a big hit on their cap.

In reality the most easy going and easy to deal with of the long term, franchise QBs has been Brees. He has basically just shown up and taken care of business every year then when he did retire it was done to give Saints as much time to prepare as possible. That man will never buy his own drinks in Louisiana again.

What makes the Watson deal so unique and so news worthy is that A: he is in the prime of his career and B: Texans did right buy him by paying him what the market said he was worth and not trying to screw him over. They took the steps that teams have taken since the age of the franchise QB started to lock down the face of their team long term and Watson is the first QB that it’s not good enough for.
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Add in the Dak and the Cowboys situation down there in Dallas. They’re also talking about cutting Elliot.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
49'ers are an option but Miami is the better team to do business with. Primary reason, 49'ers wouldn't lose Bosa to obtain Watson.
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I think the Jets would be the best option. You will be getting a top 5 draft pick this year and next year. This year you can snag the # 2 pick and their second round pick (34).

As for players we probably could acquire Quinnen Williams, DT, Jamison Crowder WR and maybe one of their safeties and La’Mical Perine RB.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I get it, but I'm thinking of Jimmy G as a bridge QB. The Texans are going to have to take back some salary to match the DW4 contract since I believe Jimmy G is the price of getting both Bosa and Warner.
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I’m not sending Watson to the 49ers. I will send him to one of the sorriest teams in the league. And the 49ers will not give up on a young stud like Bosa. Not happening
 
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