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Should we trade Watson?

Should we trade Watson?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

  • Yes, depending on compensation (please list your trade scenario).

  • No, never.

  • No, unless he plays hardball and sits.

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thunderkyss said:
You think Easterby is going to trade Jj? I'd have thought he was Easterby's kind of guy.
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I agree but don't think Easterby is Watt's kind of guy and it has little to do with religion. Also I think there is a 50-50 chance Watson will convince JJ to go with him to New York or Miami. On a side note I sure wish the Jets would sign free-agent will Fuller soon.
 
zshawn10 said:
-This is him being a man of his word and being intentional
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If he was being a man of his word , he'd be honoring that contract he inked his John Hancock to , not ghosting the team.

His agent is trying to do something that's never been done to make a name for himself ....

I'm for holding his feet to the proverbial fire , the Texans have control over him for what amounts to the next 8 seasons - the duration of this contract and the franchise tag.

Play or retire.
 
Corrosion said:
If he was being a man of his word , he'd be honoring that contract he inked his John Hancock to , not ghosting the team.

His agent is trying to do something that's never been done to make a name for himself ....

I'm for holding his feet to the proverbial fire , the Texans have control over him for what amounts to the next 8 seasons - the duration of this contract and the franchise tag.

Play or retire.
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I want him to stay out and lose somewhere around 37 mil in salary/signing bonus.
 
austins23 said:
I'm starting to lean toward the "hell with him, we aren't trading him. You want to sit out, sit out."
Texans give in to him, the next time an owner or GM floats an air biscuit in public, these guys will want a trade!
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I'm trying to figure out what his grievance actually is , other than he wants to play for a better team and knows this one is at least a year away.

Didn't get a say in the GM - he shouldn't have (and that's when this started Nothing has changed since.).

Easterby ? So what. You don't choose the front office people.

This clown ass agent is giving him bad advice .... the team holds all the cards if they decide to play hardball and Watson is the one who has the most to lose being on the hook for $27,000,000 up front.
Trying to break the league is a bad idea.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
How did you come across this information? Miami was one of the first teams mentioned when Watson was being rumored to want out of Houston.
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By who?

it’s been speculation on top of speculation. Miami & the Jets are two teams that have been run worse than Houston with the exception of the last 18 months.

Who puts a NTC in there contract to force a trade to a bad team?
 
Watson is NOT getting traded. At least not this year. The Texans, no matter how incompetent they’ve been recently, are not going to just throw away $27M in signing bonus for him not to play a single snap for them from that signing, and then take a $22M cap hit on top of that, when they’re already in cap hell.

The Pastor aside, if Caserio is going to make a name for himself, that’s not how he’s going to get it started.

Team Watson has absolutely zero leverage in this deal. They can hope that Caserio continues on with the bumbling idiot moves the Texans have made the past couple of years or so, but I highly doubt that will be the case with him.

Watson either just needs to go ahead and retire, which he’ll be leaving a ton of money on the table on top of paying back the $27M, or he needs to suck it up and get with the program. End of story.
 
Corrosion said:
If he was being a man of his word , he'd be honoring that contract he inked his John Hancock to , not ghosting the team.
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I got a chuckle out of this sentence. Tayshaun Gipson signed a 3-year, $33.5M contract and was cut after one year. Aaron Colvin signed a 4-year, $34M deal and was cut after one year. Seems like having your John Hancock on an NFL contract doesn't mean as much as is does in the real world.
 
Earl34 said:
I got a chuckle out of this sentence. Tayshaun Gipson signed a 3-year, $33.5M contract and was cut after one year. Aaron Colvin signed a 4-year, $34M deal and was cut after one year. Seems like having your John Hancock on an NFL contract doesn't mean as much as is does in the real world.
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Hopefully the McNairs make an example of DW4.
 
Norg said:
if we do that the texans org will have a ancor on his foot for like 5 years !!!!! im starting to think maybe its best we go 0-16 this year get blown out smashed out every game if that does not get jack fired nothing will LOL
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This just in, the Texans are in the middle of the lost decade with or without DW4.

Tank and trade DW4 in the 2022 off-season. His value won't be lower. Plus you will have your high pick plus the DW4 high picks. You can basically control the 2022 draft. The only reason not to do this is if there's a QB you really like in this yrs draft.
 
Yeah let's cut our nose off just because we smelled something we didn't like. #4 acting like a child but sending him to his room and grounding him until he corrects his behavior may not be very productive.

If we stand firm with the child all other parents will be so grateful their children will say "look what happened to Deshaun! Ooooo. I guess I better not tip the canoe."

Yeah we eat the dead money but also we get out of the rest of his contract and send guaranteed money to the receiving team. He has been paid $30 million IIRC. The $21.6 is dead cap space. Price of doing business in the NFL.

Other than puffing our ego how does keeping DW around help Texans or fans? Put your thumbs in your ears, wriggle your fingers and stick your tongue out. Feel better?

Get as much as you can as it should be a decent haul and begin now building new roster. Or keep him and go 4 and 12 again.
 
steelbtexan said:
This just in, the Texans are in the middle of the lost decade with or without DW4.

Tank and trade DW4 in the 2022 off-season. His value won't be lower. Plus you will have your high pick plus the DW4 high picks. You can basically control the 2022 draft. The only reason not to do this is if there's a QB you really like in this yrs draft.
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There is a QB but I don't see giving up possibly two round ones and a second and at least one starting vet just because.
 
badboy said:
Yeah let's cut our nose off just because we smelled something we didn't like. #4 acting like a child but sending him to his room and grounding him until he corrects his behavior may not be very productive.

If we stand firm with the child all other parents will be so grateful their children will say "look what happened to Deshaun! Ooooo. I guess I better not tip the canoe."

Yeah we eat the dead money but also we get out of the rest of his contract and send guaranteed money to the receiving team. He has been paid $30 million IIRC. The $21.6 is dead cap space. Price of doing business in the NFL.

Other than puffing our ego how does keeping DW around help Texans or fans? Put your thumbs in your ears, wriggle your fingers and stick your tongue out. Feel better?

Get as much as you can as it should be a decent haul and begin now building new roster. Or keep him and go 4 and 12 again.
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Point is you dont do a bad deal. Sometimes the best deals are deals you wait for and DW4's value isn't going to go down. Like I said if you get the deal you like go for it. If you dont then wait it out. Would you rather trade DW4 for a deal you didn't like or wait a yr and be able to basically control the 2022 draft?

DW4 also would waive his NTC because if he didn't he would be losing out on 27 mil in signing bonus + 10.5 in salary and in 2022 he would lose another almost 40 mil. There's not a player alive that would give up 75 mil or more to prove a point and the Texans would be in the drivers seat to get what they wanted in a trade.

This has nothing to do with ego this has to do with playing the long game to exract as much value out of a DW4 trade as possible. The fact that DW4 would be hurt by this stance is just the cherry on top.
 
badboy said:
Yeah let's cut our nose off just because we smelled something we didn't like. #4 acting like a child but sending him to his room and grounding him until he corrects his behavior may not be very productive.

If we stand firm with the child all other parents will be so grateful their children will say "look what happened to Deshaun! Ooooo. I guess I better not tip the canoe."

Yeah we eat the dead money but also we get out of the rest of his contract and send guaranteed money to the receiving team. He has been paid $30 million IIRC. The $21.6 is dead cap space. Price of doing business in the NFL.

Other than puffing our ego how does keeping DW around help Texans or fans? Put your thumbs in your ears, wriggle your fingers and stick your tongue out. Feel better?

Get as much as you can as it should be a decent haul and begin now building new roster. Or keep him and go 4 and 12 again.
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Excellent points. What's funny is the same posters who want the Texans to not trade and force him to play with the Texans will be the same posters in the game day threads questioning his efforts or head after every loss or bad play. They will also complain that the Texans should have taken advantage of this QB rich draft. Go figure.:popcorn:
 
Norg said:
if we do that the texans org will have a ancor on his foot for like 5 years !!!!! im starting to think maybe its best we go 0-16 this year get blown out smashed out every game if that does not get jack fired nothing will LOL
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Either outcome is bad.

If the team doesn't hold Watson to his contract , it sets the precedent and the NFL starts looking more like the NBA .... and that's not a good thing.

If the team holds Watson to his contract players may hold it against them.

The real devil here is that agent who's pushing all this. The league needs to blackball him .... yesterday.
 
Earl34 said:
Excellent points. What's funny is the same posters who want the Texans to not trade and force him to play with the Texans will be the same posters in the game day threads questioning his efforts or head after every loss or bad play. They will also complain that the Texans should have taken advantage of this QB rich draft. Go figure.:popcorn:
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That's funny .... the one guy who might fit that description wants to trade Watson.

I want him to stay in a Texans uniform .... and don't question his efforts not head - Just his ability.

There are a couple really good QB prospects in this draft .... and Zach Wilson might be the best of the bunch.
 
Corrosion said:
The real devil here is that agent who's pushing all this. The league needs to blackball him .... yesterday.
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If things go sour & Watson starts losing money, it would be good if he recognizes it was his agents advice that put him in the situation & his clients see the same thing. But right now, they're looking at Jalen Ramsey, which I think worked out in the player's favor.
 
thunderkyss said:
If things go sour & Watson starts losing money, it would be good if he recognizes it was his agents advice that put him in the situation & his clients see the same thing. But right now, they're looking at Jalen Ramsey, which I think worked out in the player's favor.
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Sure it did .... But there's a lot of differences between Ramsey & Watson.

In Jax Ramsey was a luxury they could do without .... Great player but better to trade away for picks to facilitate the rebuild and they had every intention to tank it up to go get their QB in the draft. He just wasn't a foundational player like a QB is. Those guys are "missing pieces to contenders" not the foundation of a franchise.

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There's also the fact that the ink isn't even dry on Watson's contract - Ramsey had a little over a year left on his contract. Watson has 5. He hasn't even begun this actual extension.

The team has exclusive rights to him for up to 8 years - thru the 2028 season with the use of the franchise tag after his current contract expires.

Few teams would franchise Ramsey but damn near every team would franchise Watson.

Then there's the dead money - Ramsey was still on his rookie deal and most of his signing bonus money had already come off the books in the previous 3 seasons , he only accounted for $3,795,636 in dead money while Watson will account for $27,000,000 of which he has earned $0 of as the extension begins in 2022.
The Texans will have paid $7,453,961 this past year and would be paying Watson $5,400,000 for the next 4 years to play for someone else.
 
Corrosion said:
Sure it did .... But there's a lot of differences between Ramsey & Watson.
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I'm just saying Mulageta (sp) clients look at what happened with Ramsey & say, "Yeah, I want that guy representing me."

If things go sour for Watson, I'd like for players to say, "I don't want that guy (Mulageta) representing me."

If Watson comes out ahead in this, Mulageta will continue to do what he's doing. If not, then the league won't have to blackball him, it'd be done by default.
 
Earl34 said:
Excellent points. What's funny is the same posters who want the Texans to not trade and force him to play with the Texans will be the same posters in the game day threads questioning his efforts or head after every loss or bad play. They will also complain that the Texans should have taken advantage of this QB rich draft. Go figure.:popcorn:
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Not me
 
Earl34 said:
I got a chuckle out of this sentence. Tayshaun Gipson signed a 3-year, $33.5M contract and was cut after one year. Aaron Colvin signed a 4-year, $34M deal and was cut after one year. Seems like having your John Hancock on an NFL contract doesn't mean as much as is does in the real world.
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Funny thing about contracts is they are full of words that stipulate the terms and conditions. Both sides agree to those terms and conditions, and if part of those terms does not include guarantees, then that is part of the contract. Don't like it? Don't sign it. There is nothing magical about a contract.

Deshaun's latest contract stipulates $111 million guaranteed, even if he is the worst QB in history for the next 5 seasons. Yeah, let's feel sorry for the dude that can lay an egg but still walk away with $111 million. Cry me a river.
 
thunderkyss said:
By who?

it’s been speculation on top of speculation. Miami & the Jets are two teams that have been run worse than Houston with the exception of the last 18 months.

Who puts a NTC in there contract to force a trade to a bad team?
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uh, Dolphins were a 10-6 team without a real quarterback ...plus also a no income tax state...and for a young, single superstar it is freaking Miami. I can see your point a bit more re: the Jets outside of the massive marketing opportunities that would come with it.
 
Let’s be clear, we are a 4-12 team that now hired a below-average HC (that may be putting it mildly), set JJ free (yes, saves us on the cap but further erodes an already terrible defense), and we are again sitting on our hands at the start of the next draft without key, early picks. To put it mildly, this is a major rebuild.

Also, let’s just be clear that Watson isn’t likely going to step on the field for us this year, and even if he did we would be paying him a ton to help guide an otherwise barren team.

It stinks, I blame the franchise for this all but they need to trade him and get value now so they can try to fix this disaster of a team over the long-term.
 
Earl34 said:
I got a chuckle out of this sentence. Tayshaun Gipson signed a 3-year, $33.5M contract and was cut after one year. Aaron Colvin signed a 4-year, $34M deal and was cut after one year. Seems like having your John Hancock on an NFL contract doesn't mean as much as is does in the real world.
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Except those contracts say the team can cut them. None of the contracts say the player can throw a tantrum and get traded because he isn’t happy about whatever.
 
Corrosion said:
Sure it did .... But there's a lot of differences between Ramsey & Watson.

In Jax Ramsey was a luxury they could do without .... Great player but better to trade away for picks to facilitate the rebuild and they had every intention to tank it up to go get their QB in the draft. He just wasn't a foundational player like a QB is. Those guys are "missing pieces to contenders" not the foundation of a franchise.

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There's also the fact that the ink isn't even dry on Watson's contract - Ramsey had a little over a year left on his contract. Watson has 5. He hasn't even begun this actual extension.

The team has exclusive rights to him for up to 8 years - thru the 2028 season with the use of the franchise tag after his current contract expires.

Few teams would franchise Ramsey but damn near every team would franchise Watson.

Then there's the dead money - Ramsey was still on his rookie deal and most of his signing bonus money had already come off the books in the previous 3 seasons , he only accounted for $3,795,636 in dead money while Watson will account for $27,000,000 of which he has earned $0 of as the extension begins in 2022.
The Texans will have paid $7,453,961 this past year and would be paying Watson $5,400,000 for the next 4 years to play for someone else.
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1st of all this depends on how good you think DW4 is.

2nd of all this is the price you pay for the decision for signing this turd to that contract. Pay up and move on. Lessons should be learned from handing out these types of contracts.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Let’s be clear, we are a 4-12 team that now hired a below-average HC (that may be putting it mildly), set JJ free (yes, saves us on the cap but further erodes an already terrible defense), and we are again sitting on our hands at the start of the next draft without key, early picks. To put it mildly, this is a major rebuild.

Also, let’s just be clear that Watson isn’t likely going to step on the field for us this year, and even if he did we would be paying him a ton to help guide an otherwise barren team.

It stinks, I blame the franchise for this all but they need to trade him and get value now so they can try to fix this disaster of a team over the long-term.
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One of the worst takes yet. Calling a guy “below average” before he’s even coached 1 game.....& the part of your post that you’re missing is that we were 4-12 with Deshaun and a lot of the downright shitty moves that were made, BoB made for him.
Defense was also terrible with JJ.

Basically nothing has changed for Deshaun since he inked his deal. Ain’t no “do overs”. His agent did him a disservice by going for the cash grab before assessing the entire situation.
 
Mr teX said:
One of the worst takes yet. Calling a guy “below average” before he’s even coached 1 game.....& the part of your post that you’re missing is that we were 4-12 with Deshaun and a lot of the downright shitty moves that were made, BoB made for him.
Defense was also terrible with JJ.

Basically nothing has changed for Deshaun since he inked his deal. Ain’t no “do overs”. His agent did him a disservice by going for the cash grab before assessing the entire situation.
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you are right - he’s a terrible hire. I was being way too generous.

the rest of your post makes absolutely zero sense. please try harder next time.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I love the Culley hire.


Ok. Like. I like the Culley hire.

Um... I'm willing to let it play out.
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None of it matters now anyway. This coming season's staff is getting fairly well set. Whether or not any of this horseshit works out or not is yet to be seen. I"ll stick with my prediction that no matter what happens 2021 is a bust anyway. We're not gonna know much until we see what's put out on the field in 2022, and how many staff casualties there are after 2021. LOL
 
thunderkyss said:
Um... I'm willing to let it play out.
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I feel the same. Frankly though, with the talent level he has, the draft capital, the cap room, and the ownership of this team, I expect a crash and burn scenario. It probably shouldn't reflect on him but he'll be a scapegoat 1 or 2 seasons from now. His foot is already in the bear trap and it's not his fault.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Let’s be clear, we are a 4-12 team that now hired a below-average HC (that may be putting it mildly), set JJ free (yes, saves us on the cap but further erodes an already terrible defense), and we are again sitting on our hands at the start of the next draft without key, early picks. To put it mildly, this is a major rebuild.

Also, let’s just be clear that Watson isn’t likely going to step on the field for us this year, and even if he did we would be paying him a ton to help guide an otherwise barren team.

It stinks, I blame the franchise for this all but they need to trade him and get value now so they can try to fix this disaster of a team over the long-term.
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What besides the RB's will have really changed on offense since the end of last season.
 
badboy said:
Yeah let's cut our nose off just because we smelled something we didn't like. #4 acting like a child but sending him to his room and grounding him until he corrects his behavior may not be very productive.

If we stand firm with the child all other parents will be so grateful their children will say "look what happened to Deshaun! Ooooo. I guess I better not tip the canoe."

Yeah we eat the dead money but also we get out of the rest of his contract and send guaranteed money to the receiving team. He has been paid $30 million IIRC. The $21.6 is dead cap space. Price of doing business in the NFL.

Other than puffing our ego how does keeping DW around help Texans or fans? Put your thumbs in your ears, wriggle your fingers and stick your tongue out. Feel better?

Get as much as you can as it should be a decent haul and begin now building new roster. Or keep him and go 4 and 12 again.
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This will not be good for the entire league if the Texans were to cave to the childish behavior. Why because more kids will start acting childish to get out the situation they might be in. And that’s no matter when they signed their contracts.
 
Corrosion said:
Sure it did .... But there's a lot of differences between Ramsey & Watson.

In Jax Ramsey was a luxury they could do without .... Great player but better to trade away for picks to facilitate the rebuild and they had every intention to tank it up to go get their QB in the draft. He just wasn't a foundational player like a QB is. Those guys are "missing pieces to contenders" not the foundation of a franchise.

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There's also the fact that the ink isn't even dry on Watson's contract - Ramsey had a little over a year left on his contract. Watson has 5. He hasn't even begun this actual extension.

The team has exclusive rights to him for up to 8 years - thru the 2028 season with the use of the franchise tag after his current contract expires.

Few teams would franchise Ramsey but damn near every team would franchise Watson.

Then there's the dead money - Ramsey was still on his rookie deal and most of his signing bonus money had already come off the books in the previous 3 seasons , he only accounted for $3,795,636 in dead money while Watson will account for $27,000,000 of which he has earned $0 of as the extension begins in 2022.
The Texans will have paid $7,453,961 this past year and would be paying Watson $5,400,000 for the next 4 years to play for someone else.
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Well at least there's precedent for it.
 
Texansballer74 said:
This will not be good for the entire league if the Texans were to cave to the childish behavior. Why because more kids will start acting childish to get out the situation they might be in. And that’s no matter when they signed their contracts.
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These players don’t tend to pull this shite with good organizations....just the crap ones like the Texans and Jaguars for example.
 
steelbtexan said:
This just in, the Texans are in the middle of the lost decade Century with or without DW4.

Tank and trade DW4 in the 2022 off-season. His value won't be lower. Plus you will have your high pick plus the DW4 high picks. You can basically control the 2022 draft. The only reason not to do this is if there's a QB you really like in this yrs draft.
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Ftfy, you misspelled century again.
 
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