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Should we trade Watson?

Should we trade Watson?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

  • Yes, depending on compensation (please list your trade scenario).

  • No, never.

  • No, unless he plays hardball and sits.

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michaelm said:
I wonder if DW's agent is risking getting black balled. There are players who are supportive of DW but I can see owners wanting to avoid doing business with his agent after this all shakes out
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If it came down to 2 equal prospects in the draft/FA and one of them was represented by Mulugheta I would certainly go with the other guy. Owners are taking note and he will be dealt with. Many agents like this guy have come gone. Ricky Williams/VY's agent? I didn't think so.
 
maverick512000 said:
I think the involvement thing is overblown. Nothing I have read said that Cal told Watson he would get to pick the next GM or even really have a say in it. He asked for his input which can be anything from GM hire to what kind of sushi is the best. It seems to me from the little we know Watson, before or after he talked to others, is the one that thought input would mean he would be neck deep in the process and have a large say in it. Cal asked for input from a lot of people, that whole "search committee" thing, and you don't see them crying about how they were ignored or "some things never change". Besides, as @Texansballer74 said, if he really wanted to be on the front lines of it why grab his girlfriend and disappear down to Cabo.
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perhaps Deshaun wanted to be in the front lines and not so much on them?
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes his stats do say this.

Hopefully there are a bunch of other teams out there that think like you do.
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You might be thinking stats are deceptive - because Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers and to a lesser degree Russell Wilson.
However, Brees is retiring and the other ones aint going nowhere.
So now from the rest, who would you rather have in place of Watson? And how would you propose we get them here?
The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence but is it?
 
Texansphan said:
You might be thinking stats are deceptive - because Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers and to a lesser degree Russell Wilson.
However, Brees is retiring and the other ones aint going nowhere.
So now from the rest, who would you rather have in place of Watson? And how would you propose we get them here?
The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence but is it?
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Wilson

Trade with the Jets.

I also like Mac Jones more than most.

I'm looking forward to having a QB on his rookie deal so that there will be a chance at a championship in the next 4 yrs.
 
Texansphan said:
You might be thinking stats are deceptive - because Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers and to a lesser degree Russell Wilson.
However, Brees is retiring and the other ones aint going nowhere.
So now from the rest, who would you rather have in place of Watson? And how would you propose we get them here?
The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence but is it?
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Grass may not be greener but the lawn maintenance will be a lot cheaper.
 
Texansphan said:
You reap what you sow.
The cost may have been more, but Texans FO will be mindful of the potential returns in season tickets and merch sales.
It is a business, after all.
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They will make alot of $$$$ regardless, TV/PSL $$$$ guarantees this. They will save somewhere between 90 and 129 mil by letting DW4 walk, 27 mil in sunk cost.

Plus they've reopened there window not closed it. At least that's what the last 27 yrs have taught us.
 
EllisUnit said:
I have seen no reports of him speaking to the Texans, by all accounts he is avoiding them which is a little immature IMO especially when they are the ones writing your million dollar checks.
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Pretty sure that whatever he is doing is on his agents advice.
superford said:
There is zero reason to trade him before this season starts. If he decides to sit, you play with the men who show up. Will it most likely be a terrible season? Yes... but then you set yourself up for your own top five pick... and then look to trade him. His value isn't going to drop.

Also, while a change of heart seems impossible, who knows what can happen with time.

I do wish Watson would actually be the leader he is and come out and talk in the open. The dumb and cryptic lyric silliness is immaturity. He is a good person. He could handle this better. Obviously the Texans have been really dumb and could handle this better also.... Watson and the Texans are partners in how this looks.
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There is every reason to trade him before the draft!
 
whodknee said:
The Texans are almost in a Catch 22 with DW4. 3 Ones is not enough and giving up 4 Ones is too much for almost any team.
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I'm trying not to get caught up in round ones to the exclusion of young reasonably priced veterans. I'm hoping it will be a very good combination of both.

If Wentz brings a good offer that could up offer for Darnold. https://clutchpoints.com/jets-rumor...agles-could-set-asking-price-for-sam-darnold/
I do not want to have the responsibilities of trading Darnold but if as the link I posted earlier this week New York is able to get a first round pick it will swing me back probably to referring that trade over one with Miami that includes Tua and Xavian Howard.
 
JB said:
Make him honor his contract. Don't set a precedence turning the NFL into the NBA
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I don't care about NFL precedent. They can take care of that with an addendum to the CBA. We are not going to the Super Bowl with DeShaun Watson. Tweet that. He does not want to be here. The only way I want him remaining on the team is if we cannot get enough for him and I do not see that happening.
 
texanhead08 said:
I like Zach Wilson a lot I would have no problem if we swung a deal and selected him in this years draft.
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I am a huge fan of the Zach Wilson and think he could be a DeShaun Watson type quarterback over his first four years. Having said that, we would be right back where we are except He would be on a rookie contract.

Many of course will disagree with me but if healthy I see Tua as good if not better than Zach Wilson in 2021. That immediately opens up getting a great player at 1.3 or if wisely done a trade down that could still get the guy that I want in wide receiver Devonta Smith. If I am correct on my appraisal of Tua tag and I think I am we can fill a quarterback position and still have several pics and quite possibly another player such as a defensive Superstar.

Now if we get Mehki Becton AND Quinnen Williams that would trump Xavien Howard.
 
JB said:
To each his own... I think you're wrong
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You do not think that the NFL can correct the problem that DeShaun is presenting? They seem to have at least partially corrected NFL players sitting out by taking away their qualifying year and their paycheck / bonus.
 
is the any scenario were watson and the front office become good buddies agian

and watson stays long term and we build around him slowly agian and everything is peaches n cream ????
 
badboy said:
You do not think that the NFL can correct the problem that DeShaun is presenting? They seem to have at least partially corrected NFL players sitting out by taking away their qualifying year and their paycheck / bonus.
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No, I think with your solution you are sending a mixed message which is the last thing you want to do. You are telling them to negotiate the best contract they can and be held to it... unless you don't want to be
 
JB said:
No, I think with your solution you are sending a mixed message which is the last thing you want to do. You are telling them to negotiate the best contract they can and be held to it... unless you don't want to be
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So a 'rule' just off top of my head...saying any player pulling a "Watson" is out of football permanently with no return and his team gets draft pick(s) on a predetermined formula and cap Be given back to the team. Or a variation approved by owners. That wouldn't work?
 
mussop said:
Who cares what the NFL wants? we need to do what’s best for the team. And the media is just telling it like it is Or Watson would make a statement. The longer we hold on the less we will get and the longer it will take to recover. Rip off the bandaid. Move on. We don’t need him if this is how he’s going to act. We had him last year and we won 4 games.
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If he doesn’t want to b
texanhead08 said:
I like Zach Wilson a lot I would have no problem if we swung a deal and selected him in this years draft.
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i have not seen him play but I have heard really good things about him. I have heard that he has special arm talent. That would make losing Watson a little more bareable. If I were the Texans I would even be talking to Jacksonville about the No.1 pick.
 
Norg said:
is the any scenario were watson and the front office become good buddies agian

and watson stays long term and we build around him slowly agian and everything is peaches n cream ????
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How?

Draft picks?

DW4 will be taking up to much of the cap to add players in FA (If the McNair's would ever be players in FA) that could be difference makers.
 
EllisUnit said:
He is a grown man and makes his own final decisions, the agent is basically there as a consultant/negotiator.
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They often take advice from their agents. Assuming it is true that he wants out, he will be taking his agents advice on how to handle the situtations. The agent he has is well known for getting his clients out of bad situations. He has the same agent as Jalen Ramsey who did the same thing just a couple of years ago.
 
badboy said:
So a 'rule' just off top of my head...saying any player pulling a "Watson" is out of football permanently with no return and his team gets draft pick(s) on a predetermined formula and cap Be given back to the team. Or a variation approved by owners. That wouldn't work?
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What kind of time limits do you put on it? The compensation? Is it the same for all players? How do you get all to agree on it?

Why open the can of worms needlessly?
 
badboy said:
So a 'rule' just off top of my head...saying any player pulling a "Watson" is out of football permanently with no return and his team gets draft pick(s) on a predetermined formula and cap Be given back to the team. Or a variation approved by owners. That wouldn't work?
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So just explicitly blackballing a player for wanting an acceptable working condition?

And in doing so actually rewarding the organization that is considered by the player as unfavorable/unreasonable?

What kind of judgement (or whose, in fact) is there for something like that?

And what kind of absolutely ginormous concession do you think it would take for the NFLPA to accept that?
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
With all the rumors swirling around QB movement across the NFL, I wonder what the Texans strategy is? For sure I think they want DW4 to be their QB, however I hope they don't sit around and let the market shrink (teams with worthy assets) and this DW4 mess ends up in a missed opportunity for the Texans. March 17 is on the clock...
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The question is if the team is closer to winning playoff games with or without Watson.

They could upgrade 5-6 positions yet still be worse off .... and there's the nightmare scenario where you trade Watson and he's winning superbowls while you are still searching for a replacement that's half as good..
 
steelbtexan said:
They will make alot of $$$$ regardless, TV/PSL $$$$ guarantees this. They will save somewhere between 90 and 129 mil by letting DW4 walk, 27 mil in sunk cost.

Plus they've reopened there window not closed it. At least that's what the last 27 yrs have taught us.
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The ticket sales and merch will more than repay Watson's contract - that is part and parcel of the business.
Another thing the last 27 years have taught us is that having a top flight QB is the single most important piece on any football team and that being on the QB carousel is no fun.
 
steelbtexan said:
How?

Draft picks?

DW4 will be taking up to much of the cap to add players in FA (If the McNair's would ever be players in FA) that could be difference makers.
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how ...??? u gotta hit on your picks

u gotta bring is good talent at a lower price because they wanna play with watson

thats how

greenbay does it
patriots
steelers
ravens
chiefs

do it
 
Mollywhopper said:
So just explicitly blackballing a player for wanting an acceptable working condition?

And in doing so actually rewarding the organization that is considered by the player as unfavorable/unreasonable?

What kind of judgement (or whose, in fact) is there for something like that?

And what kind of absolutely ginormous concession do you think it would take for the NFLPA to accept that?
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I don’t think players should be banned- however, I think “acceptable working condition” is a poor choice of words. We’re not talking about someone making minimum wage and not being able to support his family. We’re talking about a guy set to make in excess of $150M the next few years. I would imagine that 99.99% of the people in America would take that deal and try to work it out with their employer.

He should, at the very least sit down with Caserio and Culley and hear them out.


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I know Deshaun is upset with the suits on Kirby. And I know that one coach isn't going to change his mind as he has mentioned culture change as the grievance #1.

I've been watching the series "All or Nothing - Michigan Wolverines". Pep Hamilton is the A-HC, OC. He seems like the real deal, in my opinion. What a good get for us.
 
tedr said:
I don’t think players should be banned- however, I think “acceptable working condition” is a poor choice of words. We’re not talking about someone making minimum wage and not being able to support his family. We’re talking about a guy set to make in excess of $150M the next few years. I would imagine that 99.99% of the people in America would take that deal and try to work it out with their employer.

He should, at the very least sit down with Caserio and Culley and hear them out.


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I think IF (big if) Easterby is in fact calling players families (it's been rumored he called a players mom recently) and basically harassing them about their sons/husbands behavior, that's an unfavorable work environment.

But I really don't know all the details. There's been comparisons between the Scott Pioli era in Kansas City to what's going on in Houston. I read a number of articles on Pioli shortly after Rick Smith resigned and the Texans were looking at GM candidates; if that's the environment Easterby/Cal/Nick is building here, that could be considered as unfavorable. It's not so far-fetched to believe that is happening as Nick worked with Pioli for a number of years. Most of us have expressed hope that Nick will be a very good GM, but he could be a bigger douche to the players as Pioli was to a majority of the staff in KC.
 
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Maverick said:
I know Deshaun is upset with the suits on Kirby. And I know that one coach isn't going to change his mind as he has mentioned culture change as the grievance #1.

I've been watching the series "All or Nothing - Michigan Wolverines". Pep Hamilton is the A-HC, OC. He seems like the real deal, in my opinion. What a good get for us.
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I think the suits on Kirby are going to let this all play out. I'm hoping that when Watson reports to the team and starts working with Pep and Culley, he'll get himself out of this funk that he's in in regards to the organization.
 
Texansphan said:
The ticket sales and merch will more than repay Watson's contract - that is part and parcel of the business.
Another thing the last 27 years have taught us is that having a top flight QB is the single most important piece on any football team and that being on the QB carousel is no fun.
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You do know that teams share merchandise revenue. So it doesn't matter if DW4 plays for the NYJ or the Texans the $$$$ is the same. Except if DW4 plays with the NYJ he probably will create more revenue and the McNair's will make even more $$$$.

I stick by the numbers and would rather take a shot on a new QB than be stuck in perpetual mediocrity. But I'm not afraid of not being able to find another franchise QB. I know they dont grow on trees but the Chargers have seemed to seamlessly made the transition from Rivers to Herbert. There are many other cases as well.
 
Norg said:
how ...??? u gotta hit on your picks

u gotta bring is good talent at a lower price because they wanna play with watson

thats how

greenbay does it
patriots
steelers
ravens
chiefs

do it
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No team for 27 yrs has won a championship making more than 13.2% of the cap. I expect that trend to continue with the lower Salary cap. Someday somebody will break this trend. But it will be an anomaly. So yes that's how all of those teams have done it and they've not only done it through the draft but also through FA and trades. You know things the Texans org doesn't do.
 
steelbtexan said:
You do know that teams share merchandise revenue. So it doesn't matter if DW4 plays for the NYJ or the Texans the $$$$ is the same. Except if DW4 plays with the NYJ he probably will create more revenue and the McNair's will make even more $$$$.

I stick by the numbers and would rather take a shot on a new QB than be stuck in perpetual mediocrity. But I'm not afraid of not being able to find another franchise QB. I know they dont grow on trees but the Chargers have seemed to seamlessly made the transition from Rivers to Herbert. There are many other cases as well.
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The only reasons I even partially entertain the idea of trading Watson is his attitude - it sucks.
Texans moved up and drafted him and gave him a mega deal and he whines because he didn't get to handpick his superiors? He needs to grow up.
I am also aware there are some very attractive prospects in this draft to replace him.
It would also alieve our cap situation and give us some valuable draft picks.
Still, it would suck big time if a new qb turned out to be a Ryan Leaf.
 
Texansphan said:
The only reasons I even partially entertain the idea of trading Watson is his attitude - it sucks.
Texans moved up and drafted him and gave him a mega deal and he whines because he didn't get to handpick his superiors? He needs to grow up.
I am also aware there are some very attractive prospects in this draft to replace him.
It would also alieve our cap situation and give us some valuable draft picks.
Still, it would suck big time if a new qb turned out to be a Ryan Leaf.
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I would never trade him because of his attitude. In fac I kind of hope Cuck makes an example of DW4 because of his attitude and not only doesn't trade him but makes him stay for the remainder of his contract.

I'm just going by the numbers and what 27 yrs of evidence tells us. You can choose to ignore this but there will be no championships with DW4 as QB of the Houston Texans. Why the media continues to ignore this fact is beyond me.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would never trade him because of his attitude. In fac I kind of hope Cuck makes an example of DW4 because of his attitude and not only doesn't trade him but makes him stay for the remainder of his contract.

I'm just going by the numbers and what 27 yrs of evidence tells us. You can choose to ignore this but there will be no championships with DW4 as QB of the Houston Texans. Why the media continues to ignore this fact is beyond me.
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Meh, that is a little defeatist.
Look at it this way - what if DC turns out to be a very good coach?
 
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