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Head Coach Candidates

Lucky said:
Bieniemy has 3 years as an NFL OC, 13 years coaching in the NFL.
Brady has one year as an NFL OC, 3 years coaching in the NFL.

Yep, that's exactly the same. Right.
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RB coach? I don’t put much weight in that....I personally only count the experience you have calling shots...and Bienemy doesn’t have much more than Brady on the NFL level in that regard..
 
Maybe the best bet is a defensive head coach and retain Kelly as OC.

Hopefully keeps DW happy, provides consistency of the system on that side of the ball, and allows the HC to try to build something out of the dumpster fire on defense.

Kelly seems serviceable to me and there's definitely value in not changing offensive systems. Providing Kelly can get some kind of runny game going.

I'd throw in, allowing DW to call some series on the field depending on situation. Let him go up tempo and call some plays. I'd like to see how that works.
 
Lucky said:
Has there ever been a NFL HC coming into a job with as little experience as Joe Brady? 8 years coaching experience, total. 5 years ago, Brady was a grad assistant at Penn State. 7 years ago, a LB coach at his alma mater, a FCS school.

I get it, Brady looks like a wunderkind. I would talk to the guy, for sure. But in Brady's 1st year as an NFL OC, his offense was 21st in yards, 24th in points. Brady's record is likely to improve. He will be an NFL HC, one day, if it does. But here? Now? I don't think so.
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to be fair Brady didn’t really have a qb and he was missing his main offensive weapon in McCaffrey.

also McVay didn’t have that many years as an OC before he got the gig in LA.
 
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Lucky said:
Over a decade coaching in the NFL is meaning less, eh? You made a ridiculous statement. Just move on.
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yeah a lot of good that position coach experience did with BoB and the 1256774 other bad HC’s over the years eh?

When you get interviewed for those big boy positions, they ain’t asking you about the position coach drills you ran 10 years ago bro....too much anyway. They asking about offensive and defensive philosophies etc...

but you go ahead and weigh that **** out lol.
 
Mr teX said:
to be fair Brady didn’t really have a qb and he was missing his main offensive weapon in McCaffrey.

also McVaydidn’t have that many years as an OC before he got the gig in LA.
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I don't know this for a fact. But, Sean McVay is likely the least experienced to ever get a HC gig. 8 years as an NFL coach, 3 years as a coordinator. A lot more than Brady.
 
michaelm said:
Maybe the best bet is a defensive head coach and retain Kelly as OC.

Hopefully keeps DW happy, provides consistency of the system on that side of the ball, and allows the HC to try to build something out of the dumpster fire on defense.

Kelly seems serviceable to me and there's definitely value in not changing offensive systems. Providing Kelly can get some kind of runny game going.

I'd throw in, allowing DW to call some series on the field depending on situation. Let him go up tempo and call some plays. I'd like to see how that works.
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That's why before all of this started, I was thinking Eberflus was a very good candidate. Now, I wouldn't be surprise if Wade Phillips is the HC, retain Kelly and Caserio helps Kelly fix the running game and update the passing game.

At this point, who knows what the hell is going on at NRG.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know this for a fact. But, Sean McVay is likely the least experienced to ever get a HC gig. 8 years as an NFL coach, 3 years as a coordinator. A lot more than Brady.
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and it was primarily his work as an OC in Washington for those 3 years that got people taking notice and got him the gig in LA....not his work as a quality control assistant 3-4 years prior.
 
michaelm said:
Maybe the best bet is a defensive head coach and retain Kelly as OC.

Hopefully keeps DW happy, provides consistency of the system on that side of the ball, and allows the HC to try to build something out of the dumpster fire on defense.

Kelly seems serviceable to me and there's definitely value in not changing offensive systems. Providing Kelly can get some kind of runny game going.

I'd throw in, allowing DW to call some series on the field depending on situation. Let him go up tempo and call some plays. I'd like to see how that works.
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Ugh ...

I'm down with a defensive minded HC and an experienced OC but I've seen enough of Kelly.

That offense is just bad. TE's getting no targets one week and a dozen catches the next , and that backwards running game.

I don't even want the system to stay .... I'd rather go with a Veer triple option :lol:
 
Lucky said:
I don't know this for a fact. But, Sean McVay is likely the least experienced to ever get a HC gig. 8 years as an NFL coach, 3 years as a coordinator. A lot more than Brady.
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Mike Vrabel? 3 years as a position coach in College, 3 years as a position coach in the pros, 1 years as a defensive coordinator.
Joe Brady? 5 years in college (2 years as a position coach on defense, 2 years as an assistant at Penn State, 1 year as a passing game coordinator), 2 years as an offensive assistant with the Saints, and 1 year as a coordinator.

That was just off the top of my head and I'd probably value Vrabel's experience over Brady's, especially if you count his years as a player, but I think there are probably some other guys with less experience if we dug into it.

The good thing about Brady is that the experience with the Saints and Payton would have given him some good experience with E-P.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Mike Vrabel? 3 years as a position coach in College, 3 years as a position coach in the pros, 1 years as a defensive coordinator.
Joe Brady? 5 years in college (2 years as a position coach on defense, 2 years as an assistant at Penn State, 1 year as a passing game coordinator), 2 years as an offensive assistant with the Saints, and 1 year as a coordinator.

That was just off the top of my head and I'd probably value Vrabel's experience over Brady's, especially if you count his years as a player, but I think there are probably some other guys with less experience if we dug into it.

The good thing about Brady is that the experience with the Saints and Payton would have given him some good experience with E-P.
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Kliff Kingsbury....0 coaching experience in the NFL before getting the HC gig in AZ.

Chip Kelly...0 NFL coaching experience before getting the Philly gig....and he got 2 HC opportunities back to back.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Mike Vrabel? 3 years as a position coach in College, 3 years as a position coach in the pros, 1 years as a defensive coordinator.
Joe Brady? 5 years in college (2 years as a position coach on defense, 2 years as an assistant at Penn State, 1 year as a passing game coordinator), 2 years as an offensive assistant with the Saints, and 1 year as a coordinator.

That was just off the top of my head and I'd probably value Vrabel's experience over Brady's, especially if you count his years as a player, but I think there are probably some other guys with less experience if we dug into it.

The good thing about Brady is that the experience with the Saints and Payton would have given him some good experience with E-P.
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Good find with Vrabel. Just seems like he's been around forever. Good luck finding another.

What's the good part of Brady's experience with E-P? Whatever he picked up from Payton has zero similarities with what the Texans have been doing.

Thank goodness.
 
Mr teX said:
Kliff Kingsbury....0 coaching experience in the NFL before getting the HC gig in AZ.

Chip Kelly...0 NFL coaching experience before getting the Philly gig....and he got 2 HC opportunities back to back.
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Jimmy Johnson! All these guys had many years of experience as college HCs. Brady has never been a HC at any level. Even high school.

Don't want another Chip Kelly, and the jury is very much out on Kliff.
 
Lucky said:
Jimmy Johnson! All these guys had many years of experience as college HCs. Brady has never been a HC at any level. Even high school.

Don't want another Chip Kelly, and the jury is very much out on Kliff.
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agreed, but your whole premise about NFL coaching experience mattering a whole lot....well, NFL owners have shown that they disagree wholeheartedly with that premise.

what they’re looking for...is a leader of men, an innovator, a guy with a direction who can put butts in seats by fielding a fun team to watch that wins games.

Brady in his limited experience sorta checks those boxes. The only question with him is he ready...
 
michaelm said:
Maybe the best bet is a defensive head coach and retain Kelly as OC.

Hopefully keeps DW happy, provides consistency of the system on that side of the ball, and allows the HC to try to build something out of the dumpster fire on defense.

Kelly seems serviceable to me and there's definitely value in not changing offensive systems. Providing Kelly can get some kind of runny game going.

I'd throw in, allowing DW to call some series on the field depending on situation. Let him go up tempo and call some plays. I'd like to see how that works.
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I just do not feel good about Kelly yet. If he remains I'll root for him but if he isn't good we are locked in although I guess new HC could fire him and bring in someone else.
 
Lucky said:
It's primarily Brady's one season as a college OC that has people taking notice. Not his one season as an NFL OC.

And by primarily, I mean entirely.
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What scares me about that one great season is that in most games he had the best athletes and most talented players to work with ..... Really hard to screw that up.
 
Corrosion said:
What scares me about that one great season is that in most games he had the best athletes and most talented players to work with ..... Really hard to screw that up.
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Right. Ton of talent.

Brady did do a really great job with Burrow. I had seen Burrow the year prior, and I thought he had potential. I did not see that incredible year coming. So, I get the Brady hype. I'm watching him. It's just too soon to make that kind of gamble. Not necessary when there are plenty of candidates available.
 
Corrosion said:
Ugh ...

I'm down with a defensive minded HC and an experienced OC but I've seen enough of Kelly.

That offense is just bad. TE's getting no targets one week and a dozen catches the next , and that backwards running game.

I don't even want the system to stay .... I'd rather go with a Veer triple option :lol:
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I feel you but I'm wondering how much of the suckage was due to OBrien and how he wanted the system implemented and run on the field. My gut tells me most of it was OB.
No matter how good or bad Kelly might be, I think he can't possibly do worse on his own vs running what OB tells him to run.

Having said that, I'm not really advocating for it just throwing it out for discussion
 
I really have no idea of who they should hire, I don't know half as much as yall seem to. But I do know one thing, unless they trade off the entire frigging team for draft choices, and start the hell over, they not going to be worth sh!t next year no matter who they hire. And if they start completely over they sure as hell won't be worth much either. Whatever this new crew does, they have to be given two full years to do it before we start hating on them to much.

Next year's a wash, yall should just start getting used to that.
 
Lucky said:
It was that he wasn't brought into the conversation on the GM selection. As Cal said he would be.
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At the press conference it sounded like Cal said he talked to Deshaun & understood his concerns.

To me it sounds like he's saying he doesn't believe he acted against what he & Watson discussed.

He acknowledges the reports that Watson is upset, but has not spoken to him himself
 
thunderkyss said:
At the press conference it sounded like Cal said he talked to Deshaun & understood his concerns.

To me it sounds like he's saying he doesn't believe he acted against what he & Watson discussed.

He acknowledges the reports that Watson is upset, but has not spoken to him himself
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That's one of those things that was between the two. We'll never know.
 
michaelm said:
I feel you but I'm wondering how much of the suckage was due to OBrien and how he wanted the system implemented and run on the field. My gut tells me most of it was OB.
No matter how good or bad Kelly might be, I think he can't possibly do worse on his own vs running what OB tells him to run.

Having said that, I'm not really advocating for it just throwing it out for discussion
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Didn't we get to see a good picture of what Kelly's offense would look like minus OB in the last 12 weeks of the season ?

Really nothing changed at all , same routes / combinations , same run play designs and a whole lot of 1st down runs inside.

That running game is atrocious .... they really never tested the edges of a defense consistently and half their plays or more out of the RPO set and they even ran that against its principals , with or without OB.

Defenses didn't have to defend the entire field .... they were able to concentrate on the deeper routes and between the tackles for the most part and keeping Watson in the pocket.

Jet Sweep ? No.
Outside Zone? No.
RB Screen? What's that ?!? Is that in the playbook ?!
 
Corrosion said:
Didn't we get to see a good picture of what Kelly's offense would look like minus OB in the last 12 weeks of the season ?

Really nothing changed at all , same routes / combinations , same run play designs and a whole lot of 1st down runs inside.

That running game is atrocious .... they really never tested the edges of a defense consistently and half their plays or more out of the RPO set and they even ran that against its principals , with or without OB.

Defenses didn't have to defend the entire field .... they were able to concentrate on the deeper routes and between the tackles for the most part and keeping Watson in the pocket.

Jet Sweep ? No.
Outside Zone? No.
RB Screen? What's that ?!? Is that in the playbook ?!
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Yeah I guess we did but I was thinking about him being able to implement his own playbook from training camp. Even though OB was gone, it didn't feel like play design changed much. Although admittedly it's just a casual observation.

And the idea of keeping Kelly is pretty much only based on hearing DW express interest in keeping him in that position.


And about RB screens, is my memory accurate? Has this team never been any good at running RB screens?
 
Thorn said:
I really have no idea of who they should hire, I don't know half as much as yall seem to. But I do know one thing, unless they trade off the entire frigging team for draft choices, and start the hell over, they not going to be worth sh!t next year no matter who they hire. And if they start completely over they sure as hell won't be worth much either. Whatever this new crew does, they have to be given two full years to do it before we start hating on them to much.

Next year's a wash, yall should just start getting used to that.
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You are probably right .... their cap situation is so bad right now and not having draft picks exacerbates that.

Caserio has a tough task ahead of him.
 
Corrosion said:
You are probably right .... their cap situation is so bad right now and not having draft picks exacerbates that.

Caserio has a tough task ahead of him.
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I don't care who they hire, and if Watson suddenly loves everyone again and they hire the greatest HC in the world. The teams personal, your building blocks, aren't changing enough next year to make a difference for any administration.
 
Lucky said:
According the legit reports, that wasn't Watson's beef. It was that he wasn't brought into the conversation on the GM selection. As Cal said he would be.
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I'm trying to think of what player has ever been told that he would have significant input to the choice of a GM.............not even the long established "greats." And that pretty much goes for choice of HC. It's basically a moronic approach to include someone that has no experience or standing to influence such choices. It's not Watson's fault that he was told that he would be involved in the decision...............It was just another ridiculous move by Cal. But no player should be extraordinarily upset that his input ultimately was not sought. It's just not anything that should have been expected in the first place.
 
Lucky said:
What penalties are you interested in?

Tied 5th in fewest offensive holds. 7th in false starts.
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That looks pretty good for a first year head coach.

What about total offensive penalties? Where are you getting these numbers from?
 
Thorn said:
I don't care who they hire, and if Watson suddenly loves everyone again and they hire the greatest HC in the world. The teams personal, your building blocks, aren't changing enough next year to make a difference for any administration.
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I’m 100% prepared for this. I mentioned it not long ago. 2021 has to be treated as no less than a building block....anything better would be awesome. All picks RD3 thru RD7 have to be depth with a huge opportunity to earn a starting spot or gain experience to be solid depth players in 2022. This will give the new HC and staff time to instill their system in the off-season and throughout the 2021 season. If done right, the 2022 building block could be the game changer.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’m 100% prepared for this. I mentioned it not long ago. 2021 has to be treated as no less than a building block....anything better would be awesome. All picks RD3 thru RD7 have to be depth with a huge opportunity to earn a starting spot or gain experience to be solid depth players in 2022. This will give the new HC and staff time to instill their system in the off-season and throughout the 2021 season. If done right, the 2022 building block could be the game changer.
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As usual, Houston pro football fans have to suck it up again. (I wonder how many times that has been said by someone?)

Is it any wonder teams like the Gamblers and Roughnecks are such popular distractions?
 
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