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Deshaun Watson... are we giving him a pass?

This is one area I think Watson is carrying some weight. If the star QB, who happens to be a star individual as well threatens the McNair's with demanding a trade if Easterby isn't shown the door......I think even the McNair's realize Easterby isn't going to replace Watson's production on the field. I think Watson is stepping up for the locker room and letting the McNair's know that Easterby is not wanted around the organization. To date.....Easterby is nothing to nobody in regards to building and sustaining a winning organization.
 
michaelm said:
Caserio didn't just accept a position on a team that has a legitimate franchise QB just to trade him and put his little ball on the roulette wheel of chasing a starting QB.
It's just not rational
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When you look at the future cap hit it would be the correct move.

However Cal will never let this happen. DW4's Cal's new JJ in terms of marketing his product and we all know the Texans are a marketing org with a football divisions Vinny once said.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
This is one area I think Watson is carrying some weight. If the star QB, who happens to be a star individual as well threatens the McNair's with demanding a trade if Easterby isn't shown the door......I think even the McNair's realize Easterby isn't going to replace Watson's production on the field. I think Watson is stepping up for the locker room and letting the McNair's know that Easterby is not wanted around the organization. To date.....Easterby is nothing to nobody in regards to building and sustaining a winning organization.
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Wrong

McNair shares the same value system as Easterby.

Does DW4 share that same value system?

Look at the Hopkins trade for clues.
 
steelbtexan said:
When you look at the future cap hit it would be the correct move.

However Cal will never let this happen. DW4's Cal's new JJ in terms of marketing his product and we all know the Texans are a marketing org with a football divisions Vinny once said.
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It can take a team a decade to find a viable starter at QB. Find another way to deal with the cap situation. Don't voluntarily jump back into that abyss. IMO
 
steelbtexan said:
Wrong

McNair shares the same value system as Easterby.

Does DW4 share that same value system?

Look at the Hopkins trade for clues.
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I believe it is you that may be wrong. If as you have stated that the McNair's are all about their image/money......what image is Easterby bringing to the Texans other than total disdain outside of Cal's office?

There could be a massive blowback on the McNair's if Watson is forced to leave in favor of having Easterby getting an office and continue to have a say in the teams moves. Easterby did not possess this power in NE and it isn't going to fly with Caserio either. Let him try that backstabbing crap with Caserio and the McNair's could find themselves looking at Easterby to be the new GM/HC when they can no longer entice anyone for those positions as long as he's still around.
 
steelbtexan said:
When you look at the future cap hit it would be the correct move.

However Cal will never let this happen. DW4's Cal's new JJ in terms of marketing his product and we all know the Texans are a marketing org with a football divisions Vinny once said.
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steelbtexan said:
Wrong

McNair shares the same value system as Easterby.

Does DW4 share that same value system?

Look at the Hopkins trade for clues.
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What side of the coin are you on?
 
Nobody should be degraded on here period. If we can’t attack members, you surely shouldn’t be allowed to attack any players in that type of manner. Calling Watson a punk is out of line period.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
What side of the coin are you on?
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If DW4 wants out it will be up to Caserio to sell Cal on the benefits of letting DW4 walk vs the marketing aspect of the org. If Caserio can convince Cal that having an unhappy QB is bad for marketing and that they will be better off with the draft picks/cap room he will have proven to be a very persuasive guy.

BTW, I think marketing wins out and DW4's not going anywhere.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Nobody should be degraded on here period. If we can’t attack members, you surely shouldn’t be allowed to attack any players in that type of manner. Calling Watson a punk is out of line period.
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Why?

The main rules are attack the post not the poster and no cursing/racial/political stuff. Pretty simple.

You can call players names? I seem to remember posters calling Schaub a sloth. Hell, I might have been the guy who called him that. Remember some of the things that Os was called? What makes DW4 different? Let me guess, he's your guy.
 
Texansballer74 said:
He’s been lobbying for Watson to be traded.
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Been lobbying? I've only said the Texans wont win a championship with DW4. I've stated why and the trends that backup my assertions. Is that lobbying?

Nope, Cal/Caserio need to make that decision not me.

But if DW4 wants out and I got a deal that was acceptable he would be gone.
 
steelbtexan said:
Been lobbying? I've only said the Texans wont win a championship with DW4. I've stated why and the trends that backup my assertions. Is that lobbying?

Nope, Cal/Caserio need to make that decision not me.

But if DW4 wants out and I got a deal that was acceptable he would be gone.
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If Watson wants out.....not b/c of the Texans and Caserio but b/c of Easterby being allowed to stay and make decisions, then who do choose to stay with the Texans.....Watson or Easterby?
 
michaelm said:
Caserio didn't just accept a position on a team that has a legitimate franchise QB just to trade him and put his little ball on the roulette wheel of chasing a starting QB.
It's just not rational
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And if Watson demands a trade what choice does he have ?

Not that I buy the idea that Watson is going to make that demand or that if I were GM that I'd actually trade him but .... What If.
 
steelbtexan said:
Why?

The main rules are attack the post not the poster and no cursing/racial/political stuff. Pretty simple.

You can call players names? I seem to remember posters calling Schaub a sloth. Hell, I might have been the guy who called him that. Remember some of the things that Os was called? What makes DW4 different? Let me guess, he's your guy.
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Let it go.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Nobody should be calling anyone a punk.
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The word punk has a couple of definitions, with one of them being more insulting than the others.
My take on his original post was he was referring to Watson as a punk kid, using the definition of punk meaning disrespectful. Kinda like a young kid wet behind the ears.

The worst definition is what I think of a the jailhouse definition, like being someone's punk in prison, basically a dude used for sex.

I'm just wondering how you are interpretating it. I'm not judging one way or another, just curious. Thinking there might be a misunderstanding between what the two of you are thinking.
 
Another thing to think about regarding Watson and him being disgruntled (allegedly), what if he really does want EB here? It's a pretty big slap in the face to not even ask to interview the guy. It's human to at that point ask "does my opinion even matter". If you're not sold on Watson, you're answer would be "nope, Deshaun, you're opinion doesn't, in fact, matter." Could that be the message Watson is perceiving from the McNair's?

I think the McNair's have handled this entire HC/GM search in a crap manner. Much like they handled all of their recent transactions. Little did we know that them getting caught tampering in 2019 would be just the beginning of just some really atrocious decisions from them.
 
banned1976 said:
Another thing to think about regarding Watson and him being disgruntled (allegedly), what if he really does want EB here? It's a pretty big slap in the face to not even ask to interview the guy. It's human to at that point ask "does my opinion even matter". If you're not sold on Watson, you're answer would be "nope, Deshaun, you're opinion doesn't, in fact, matter." Could that be the message Watson is perceiving from the McNair's?

I think the McNair's have handled this entire HC/GM search in a crap manner. Much like they handled all of their recent transactions.
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Not only that, they straight up lied to him and all of us. And what was the purpose of hiring a search firm?
 
banned1976 said:
Another thing to think about regarding Watson and him being disgruntled (allegedly), what if he really does want EB here? It's a pretty big slap in the face to not even ask to interview the guy. It's human to at that point ask "does my opinion even matter". If you're not sold on Watson, you're answer would be "nope, Deshaun, you're opinion doesn't, in fact, matter." Could that be the message Watson is perceiving from the McNair's?

I think the McNair's have handled this entire HC/GM search in a crap manner. Much like they handled all of their recent transactions. Little did we know that them getting caught tampering in 2019 would be just the beginning of just some really atrocious decisions from them.
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I don't disagree with anything you've said here - Not one bit , not even any If's or Buts.

The reports I've heard are / were that they had already been in contact with EB several weeks ago and that he was at the top of their wish list - the job was his if he wanted it.

Maybe they aren't interviewing him because he doesn't want to be here ? And really , who could blame him for not wanting to be a part of this franchise ?


A couple weeks ago I was concerned they might get hit with tampering allegations .... Now they aren't even interviewing him ?! .... Odd.
 
Corrosion said:
I don't disagree with anything you've said here - Not one bit , not even any If's or Buts.

The reports I've heard are / were that they had already been in contact with EB several weeks ago and that he was at the top of their wish list - the job was his if he wanted it.

Maybe they aren't interviewing him because he doesn't want to be here ? And really , who could blame him for not wanting to be a part of this franchise ?


A couple weeks ago I was concerned they might get hit with tampering allegations .... Now they aren't even interviewing him ?! .... Odd.
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my thought exactly. Bienemy went from Superman to Clark Kent with dirty glasses, no telephone booth holding Green Kryptonite.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If Watson wants out.....not b/c of the Texans and Caserio but b/c of Easterby being allowed to stay and make decisions, then who do choose to stay with the Texans.....Watson or Easterby?
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I would choose neither and start a total rebuild provided I got the picks I wanted.

I sure Cal doesn't think this way. It will be very interesting.
 
banned1976 said:
Another thing to think about regarding Watson and him being disgruntled (allegedly), what if he really does want EB here? It's a pretty big slap in the face to not even ask to interview the guy. It's human to at that point ask "does my opinion even matter". If you're not sold on Watson, you're answer would be "nope, Deshaun, you're opinion doesn't, in fact, matter." Could that be the message Watson is perceiving from the McNair's?

I think the McNair's have handled this entire HC/GM search in a crap manner. Much like they handled all of their recent transactions. Little did we know that them getting caught tampering in 2019 would be just the beginning of just some really atrocious decisions from them.
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Yep, this is why DW4's feelings are hurt and he wants to be traded.

I will ask you, what other QB's in the NFL have say in who the GM/HC is?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Not only that, they straight up lied to him and all of us. And what was the purpose of hiring a search firm?
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Maybe so, maybe not, we dont know what was said. Obviously nothing was promised. I'm guessing they listened to DW4's thoughts on the GM/HC hires and decided to go in a different direction. DW4 got his feelings hurt and now knows Easterby carries more clout within the Texans org and as a result childishly asked for a trade. I'm guessing this is the 1st time in DW4's sporting life he's been told no.
 
steelbtexan said:
Maybe so, maybe not, we dont know what was said. Obviously nothing was promised. I'm guessing they listened to DW4's thoughts on the GM/HC hires and decided to go in a different direction. DW4 got his feelings hurt and now knows Easterby carries more clout within the Texans org and as a result childishly asked for a trade. I'm guessing this is the 1st time in DW4's sporting life he's been told no.
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Stop speculating. You have no idea what is going on. Any time something is mentioned about Watson and can be spin in a negative fashion, here you come with the unverified cheap shots.
You know you have some impressionable followers on this forum who start repeating whatever you post.
 
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Earl34 said:
Stop speculating. You have no idea what is going on. Anytime something is mentioned about Watson and can be spin in a negative fashion, here you come with the unverified cheap shots.
You know you have some impressionable followers on this forum who start repeating whatever you post.
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I get you dont like me speculating and that's why you unlike that post.

Guess what, this is a MB and MB's are all about speculating. I've even seen you speculate about things. I'm I supposed to unlike every post you use speculation in?

BTW, I still cant for the life of me figure out why you unliked the other post.
 
banned1976 said:
Didn’t they do that when they traded Hopkins? And again when they hired Caserio? And again when they didn’t even interview EB? It seems to me they’re telling him not to even drive out of the garage.

Dad would be proud; ain’t no inmate running Cal’s asylum.
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Like every other successful org is being run.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Nobody should be calling anyone a punk.
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Corrosion said:
Hold my beer while I confirm what is and isn't fair game.
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You can keep that warm beer .... I'll grab a cold one.


After conferring with the other mods , calling Cal Cletus , OB Tea Pot , Butt Chin or a hundred other unsavory things or Watson a punk is not outside the rules.

Calling Stephen A Smith ..... Stephen A Stupid or Screamin A Smith is not out of bounds.

Players , coaches and other personalities associated with the game are .... Fair Game.

No , it isn't a nice thing to say .... But its in line with the longstanding ideal of letting posters define themselves / their character.

What isn't allowed is attacks on other posters. Attack the post (Idea / statement) Not the person making the statement. Don't call @steelbtexan :loser , but that his idea is a :loser .

No , you can't call @michaelm a punk no matter which definition you are implying. :lol:
 
Corrosion said:
You can keep that warm beer .... I'll grab a cold one.


After conferring with the other mods , calling Cal Cletus , OB Tea Pot , Butt Chin or a hundred other unsavory things or Watson a punk is not outside the rules.

Calling Stephen A Smith ..... Stephen A Stupid or Screamin A Smith is not out of bounds.

Players , coaches and other personalities associated with the game are .... Fair Game.

No , it isn't a nice thing to say .... But its in line with the longstanding ideal of letting posters define themselves / their character.

What isn't allowed is attacks on other posters. Attack the post (Idea / statement) Not the person making the statement. Don't call @steelbtexan :loser , but that his idea is a :loser .

No , you can't call @michaelm a punk no matter which definition you are implying. :lol:
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That's why I said it should be a rule. That's not a good look calling players punks. Butt chin and the rest of things you stated are not as offensive. Oh and these players shouldn’t be called stupid either. Imo
 
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Corrosion said:
You can keep that warm beer .... I'll grab a cold one.


After conferring with the other mods , calling Cal Cletus , OB Tea Pot , Butt Chin or a hundred other unsavory things or Watson a punk is not outside the rules.

Calling Stephen A Smith ..... Stephen A Stupid or Screamin A Smith is not out of bounds.

Players , coaches and other personalities associated with the game are .... Fair Game.

No , it isn't a nice thing to say .... But its in line with the longstanding ideal of letting posters define themselves / their character.

What isn't allowed is attacks on other posters. Attack the post (Idea / statement) Not the person making the statement. Don't call @steelbtexan :loser , but that his idea is a :loser .

No , you can't call @michaelm a punk no matter which definition you are implying. :lol:
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Last night I quoted one of my own posts with a link saying I was a moron for not googling my own question.

It got deleted.

So - the mods are consistent with personal insults even to yourself.
 
michaelm said:
Well some people don't think 20 years of experience for a multiple championship franchise qualifies a man to make business and football decisions for a team, but a few years as a QB grants a man asylum running credentials
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I'm on record as saying I'm on board with the hiring of Caserio. Until I heard more about how the McNair's may have handled the situation, I also stated that I thought Caserio and Watson would get along. If it turns out to be true, that Cal told Deshaun he'd have some input into who the GM was going to be (which, btw, was/would have been a dumb thing to promise to begin with, but considering all the other incredibly stupid things Cal has done lately wouldn't surprise me) and then didn't let him be involved in any way, shape or form, there could be some real problems facing this organization's star quarterback and new GM.

The smartest thing Cal and Janice McNair could do right now is nothing. Have nothing to do at all with the football operations. Let Caserio find his HC and bury Easterby in busy work that involves him staying thousands of miles away from the players and Nick. Because I'll be honest with you - the Texans look like the most poorly run organization in football right now. They managed to get the guy (as you stated, a highly qualified football executive) they coveted for two years now and still f it up. First they hired a company 100's of thousands of dollars to give them a list of candidates they weren't going to hire. Then they created this committee that was comprised of an ancient football journalist, a former WR with no executive experience in football operations, and their current quarterback. Lastly, just for good measure they formed a committee that wasn't really a committee (if you ask Tony Dungy). All of this as some thinly veiled smoke-screen a 5 year old could break through the very second the news broke Caserio had been hired as GM.

How does the saying go? Sometimes you eat the asylum and sometimes the asylum eats you? There's got to be some asylum running through Cal and Janice if they ever thought they could effectively operate a football team by deceiving their employees. Not exactly a model for success in any organization.
 
Lucky said:
That's fair. Unless you told Watson that he would be involved in the process, then ignored him. Essentially, Cal lied to Deshaun. And contrary to North Dallas Bulls QB Seth Maxwell's theory, lying is not really good for a relationship.
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Is not doing what DW4 wants lying?
 
Has there ever been a QB that was consulted for a GM hiring? Honest question, I can't recall any previous examples.

Why would Cal even consider it? I mean, a HC is one thing, but GM?

I don't get it personally.

But if there was a conversation, and if McNair stupidly gave some assurance to Watson that he would be involved, McNair should have honored it
 
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