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The all encompassing DW4 good plays thread

Texansballer74 said:
Sounds like an excuse. This is what you do when you like a certain player. But want call out those for backing up the best player on the Texans who you clearly doesn’t like.

Pot calling the skillet black.
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He made plays in the 2nd half that won the game. That's all that counts, unlike putting up a bunch of garbage time meaningless stats.

BTW, you didn't answer my question, since we all agree DW4's got areas to improve what areas do YOU think he needs to improve on and do you think he can improve much in these areas after 4 yrs in the NFL?
 
amazing80 said:
Their stats are extremely similar with Watson having the edge in TDs thrown and Passing yards, on a significantly worse team. Even suggesting Carr is a better QB than Watson loses credibility for you. It's as bad as suggesting Schaub is better than Watson.
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Here’s what they’ve done in the last four games.

Watson: 1304 yards 11 touchdowns 2 interceptions with a passer rating 117+

Carr: 907 yards 8 touchdowns 2 interceptions with a passer rating 104

I’m only using the last 4 games because we got rid of the major problem.
 
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amazing80 said:
Their stats are extremely similar with Watson having the edge in TDs thrown and Passing yards, on a significantly worse team. Even suggesting Carr is a better QB than Watson loses credibility for you. It's as bad as suggesting Schaub is better than Watson.
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It could be argued that Schaub is the better QB over Watson .... but Watson is clearly the better athlete.

Schaub was a good decision maker , far an away better in that aspect than Watson .... and much more accurate in general.

I'd honestly like to see Watson play more like Schaub on the majority of snaps - get the ball out quickly and on target rather than hanging onto it and running for his life.
That would lead to sustained drives .... and we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.
 
Corrosion said:
It could be argued that Schaub is the better QB over Watson .... but Watson is clearly the better athlete.

Schaub was a good decision maker , far an away better in that aspect than Watson .... and much more accurate in general.

I'd honestly like to see Watson play more like Schaub on the majority of snaps - get the ball out quickly and on target rather than hanging onto it and running for his life.
That would lead to sustained drives .... and we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.
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They simply play different styles.
Were Schaub ever seriously mentioned in the top ten category?
 
76Texan said:
They simply play different styles.
Were Schaub ever seriously mentioned in the top ten category?
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Schaub was severely underrated by many Texans fans ... Most didn't appreciate how good he was until we were on the QB carousel.

He was easily in the top third of the league in just about every statistical category.

And lets remember that he stepped into a much worse team than Watson ever did.
 
powda said:
You mean to say after his injury?
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No, both before and after.
Myself, back on 2011, I figured the Texans can go with him a few more years, but they should find a replacement for him.
That was why wanted Wilson and Keenum in 2013, with Cousins being another low-round option.
 
Taken from Walter Football, 2017 scouting report on Watson. All you have to do is Google Walter Football Watson Scouting Report

In this draft analyst's opinion, I would grade Watson as a third-round pick for the 2017 NFL Draft. Watson was off with his accuracy for much of 2016, displaying poor ball placement, especially when going downfield. He missed a lot of potential touchdowns as a result. Watson has a lot of room for improvement with his field vision, ball placement, and accuracy. There were instances where he flashed accuracy, but he had too many missed and poorly placed throws. Watson was better down the stretch in 2016, but he still has room for improvement in his accuracy for the NFL.

Watson has some strengths for the NFL that cause many to compare him to Dak Prescott. Like Prescott, Watson has great intangibles as a hard worker with good character off the field and leadership in the locker room. They both bring toughness and mobility to the table. When plays break down, they can use his athleticism to pick up yards on the ground and also can avoid sacks.

Where the comparison breaks down is in terms of accuracy and ball security. Prescott was much more accurate in college and threw far less interceptions. Prescott threw only five interceptions as a senior with 11 as a junior. Thus, Watson threw more interceptions (17) in 2016 than Prescott did in his final two years combined.

There are a lot of growth issues that Watson will need development for in the NFL - aside from his passing skills. Watson is also going to need to learn how to work under center, call plays in a huddle, and develop his footwork to make drops from being under center. His college offense has a lot of quick throws, screens, and designed runs that inflated his numbers but don't translate to the NFL. Some NFL sources believe that Watson is going to need his pro offense to be catered to him and that he could have issues fitting a NFL system.

In speaking with sources from teams around the NFL, their grades on Watson didn't match the media hype that he has received. I surveyed many teams to see where their initial draft grades were for Watson. Two playoff teams told me they had third-round grades on Watson. One said it was on the low end as a third- to fourth-rounder. Another playoff team told Walt that they had a third-round grade on Watson. Two other teams said they had second-round grades on Watson. All that being said, teams believe that Watson could be a late first-round quarterback, similar to Teddy Bridgewater, because of the dire need at the position across the NFL. A team could move back into the first round for Watson like Bridgewater. A general manager of an AFC team said that in the draft meetings in April, Watson will benefit from the 'Dak Prescott effect' and rise. Thus, it wouldn't surprise anyone if Watson is taken in the middle of the first round during the 2017 NFL Draft.

Just because most teams have Watson graded on the second day or mid-rounds doesn't mean that he won't go in the first round. Last year, many teams had second-round grades on Jared Goff, yet the Rams traded up to the first-overall pick for him. There were teams that had mid-round grades on E.J. Manuel and fourth-round grades on Christian Ponder, yet both of them went as top-16 picks in their NFL drafts. Many teams had second-round grades on Teddy Bridgewater, yet he went late in Round 1. Thus, you can't rule out that a quarterback-needy team won't be desperate enough to take Watson at any point in the first round
 
I used Walter Football as more often than not he is dead on. Now he misses on when a player is drafted, not on skills.
 
76Texan said:
No, both before and after.
Myself, back on 2011, I figured the Texans can go with him a few more years, but they should find a replacement for him.
That was why wanted Wilson and Keenum in 2013, with Cousins being another low-round option.
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Preinjury, you would've been rare. After 3 ints for a td everyone wanted his head on a stick.

I was here to and I was also aware of the consensus.

Truth is, Schaub was pretty damn good, never elite, but took a steep drop off the cliff.
 
En1gma57 said:
Taken from Walter Football, 2017 scouting report on Watson. All you have to do is Google Walter Football Watson Scouting Report

In this draft analyst's opinion, I would grade Watson as a third-round pick for the 2017 NFL Draft. Watson was off with his accuracy for much of 2016, displaying poor ball placement, especially when going downfield. He missed a lot of potential touchdowns as a result. Watson has a lot of room for improvement with his field vision, ball placement, and accuracy. There were instances where he flashed accuracy, but he had too many missed and poorly placed throws. Watson was better down the stretch in 2016, but he still has room for improvement in his accuracy for the NFL.

Watson has some strengths for the NFL that cause many to compare him to Dak Prescott. Like Prescott, Watson has great intangibles as a hard worker with good character off the field and leadership in the locker room. They both bring toughness and mobility to the table. When plays break down, they can use his athleticism to pick up yards on the ground and also can avoid sacks.

Where the comparison breaks down is in terms of accuracy and ball security. Prescott was much more accurate in college and threw far less interceptions. Prescott threw only five interceptions as a senior with 11 as a junior. Thus, Watson threw more interceptions (17) in 2016 than Prescott did in his final two years combined.

There are a lot of growth issues that Watson will need development for in the NFL - aside from his passing skills. Watson is also going to need to learn how to work under center, call plays in a huddle, and develop his footwork to make drops from being under center. His college offense has a lot of quick throws, screens, and designed runs that inflated his numbers but don't translate to the NFL. Some NFL sources believe that Watson is going to need his pro offense to be catered to him and that he could have issues fitting a NFL system.

In speaking with sources from teams around the NFL, their grades on Watson didn't match the media hype that he has received. I surveyed many teams to see where their initial draft grades were for Watson. Two playoff teams told me they had third-round grades on Watson. One said it was on the low end as a third- to fourth-rounder. Another playoff team told Walt that they had a third-round grade on Watson. Two other teams said they had second-round grades on Watson. All that being said, teams believe that Watson could be a late first-round quarterback, similar to Teddy Bridgewater, because of the dire need at the position across the NFL. A team could move back into the first round for Watson like Bridgewater. A general manager of an AFC team said that in the draft meetings in April, Watson will benefit from the 'Dak Prescott effect' and rise. Thus, it wouldn't surprise anyone if Watson is taken in the middle of the first round during the 2017 NFL Draft.

Just because most teams have Watson graded on the second day or mid-rounds doesn't mean that he won't go in the first round. Last year, many teams had second-round grades on Jared Goff, yet the Rams traded up to the first-overall pick for him. There were teams that had mid-round grades on E.J. Manuel and fourth-round grades on Christian Ponder, yet both of them went as top-16 picks in their NFL drafts. Many teams had second-round grades on Teddy Bridgewater, yet he went late in Round 1. Thus, you can't rule out that a quarterback-needy team won't be desperate enough to take Watson at any point in the first round
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Walter Football is not a good site for scouting report.
I used to read them a fair bit, and gradually found them to be not up to snub.
 
powda said:
Preinjury, you would've been rare. After 3 ints for a td everyone wanted his head on a stick.

I was here to and I was also aware of the consensus.

Truth is, Schaub was pretty damn good, never elite, but took a steep drop off the cliff.
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I've been here since 06, and I don't recall seeing you.
I was in the camp of those who appreciated him, but I still wanted to find a better QB.
Lots of people saw Alex Smith (to a degree).
I don't know how many people believe the Texans can go far in the playoffs with Schaub at the hem.
 
Corrosion said:
Schaub was severely underrated by many Texans fans ... Most didn't appreciate how good he was until we were on the QB carousel.

He was easily in the top third of the league in just about every statistical category.

And lets remember that he stepped into a much worse team than Watson ever did.
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Matt had two great years here with the Texans. But what seems to be missing with most of you good people is the situation. He was really good those years because he actually had a top rated offensive line in both pass pro and rushing pro. He had one of the best backs in the NFL with solid backup behind him. He had an elite receiver and a top notch tight end. Coach system made it that much easier for him. Matt’s play fake was elite, dude still fakes me out lol. Watson play fakes are horrible.

You also needs to understand Kubiak systems didn’t change up every freaking game. O’Brien game plan changes from game to game.


In conclusion this is a terrible comparison for many freaking reasons.
 
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76Texan said:
Walter Football is not a good site for scouting report.
I used to read them a fair bit, and gradually found them to be not up to snub.
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I would agree. But, if you look at the 2017- present reports...they are very good and well scouted.
 
powda said:
Preinjury, you would've been rare. After 3 ints for a td everyone wanted his head on a stick.

I was here to and I was also aware of the consensus.

Truth is, Schaub was pretty damn good, never elite, but took a steep drop off the cliff.
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He was top 10 and then I think 12 at one point. Nobody seems to either recall or admit that. Schaub pre injury was a very good QB.
 
76Texan said:
I've been here since 06, and I don't recall seeing you.
I was in the camp of those who appreciated him, but I still wanted to find a better QB.
Lots of people saw Alex Smith (to a degree).
I don't know how many people believe the Texans can go far in the playoffs with Schaub at the hem.
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Excuse me? Don't short change me with 06. Ouch man.

Again, I think your remembering the bad years. I think its influencing your opinion on his best years.
 
76Texan said:
I've been here since 06, and I don't recall seeing you.
I was in the camp of those who appreciated him, but I still wanted to find a better QB.
Lots of people saw Alex Smith (to a degree).
I don't know how many people believe the Texans can go far in the playoffs with Schaub at the hem.
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The season we went 12-4 I thought we were there. I believe if he doesn’t get hurt we were on our way. I can’t remember what game that was but I was very impressed with Matt’s toughness. Then the playoffs happened and he went back to looking terrified out there.
 
powda said:
Excuse me? Don't short change me with 06. Ouch man.

Again, I think your remembering the bad years. I think its influencing your opinion on his best years.
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Actually, I was one of two posters who talked about trading for Schaub (from the Falcons) long before the trade happened.
 
76Texan said:
Actually, I was one of two posters who talked about trading for Schaub (from the Falcons) long before the trade happened.
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Congrats. Still, our opinion of his ranking in his prime differs.

Damn man. Is there no seniors day here? I was here before 06.
 
powda said:
Congrats. Still, our opinion of his ranking in his prime differs.

Damn man. Is there no seniors day here? I was here before 06.
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Because if you were on the same board, you would have read TexanMike and I pimping the trade for Schaub.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Matt had two great years here with the Texans. But what seems to missing with most of you good people is the situation. He was really good those years because he actually had a top rated offensive line in both pass pro and rushing pro. He had one of the best backs in the NFL with solid backup behind him. He had an elite receiver and a top notch tight end. Coach system made it that much easier for him. Matt’s play fake was elite, dude still fakes me out lol. Watson play fakes are horrible.

You also needs to understand Kubiak systems didn’t change up every freaking game. O’Brien game plan changes from game to game.


In conclusion this is a terrible comparison for many freaking reasons.
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I wasn't making a comparison at all .... Just saying that it can be argued that Schaub was the better QB. It's not crazy to make that statement ....
 
If it makes you ( or rather me ) feel better, I don't remember you in '04.
 
powda said:
So you pimped the trade and in hindsight think he was a lesser quarterback in his prime?
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No, during.
There were no QB prospect in the draft that look good, the Texans need one as good as they can get.
I thought the Texans overpaid for schaub.
Not the two picks, but the original contract.
 
76Texan said:
No, during.
There were no QB prospect in the draft that look good, the Texans need one as good as they can get.
I thought the Texans overpaid.
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And I thought the Texans had far bigger needs then qb.
 
Corrosion said:
Schaub was severely underrated by many Texans fans ... Most didn't appreciate how good he was until we were on the QB carousel.

He was easily in the top third of the league in just about every statistical category.

And lets remember that he stepped into a much worse team than Watson ever did.
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You mean like those few who are underrating Watson now?

And Watson may have had a better team when he started, but that team has quickly gotten worse since. And he definitely had worse coaching and a worse scheme.

And here's some more fun with numbers.

WatsonComp. %TDINTPasser RatingY/ARush YardsPoints p/Gm
1st 4 Gms w/OB65.6%6398.28.55820
Lst 4 Gms w/o OB70.6%112118.28.913928.2
 
steelbtexan said:
Good catch,

Notice how he disingenously tried to skew the discussion.

But when I point out that just last yr the Texans beat the SB champs and the team that the Chiefs beat to reach the SB and he says I'm cherry picking.
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No, I knew the date was 2014 all that time.
It's still relevant, because the thoughts of those Insiders were just too negative for Schaub; there's just no way they ever consider Schaub seriously for the top ten.
I was one who argued that he was borderline top ten.
 
Corrosion said:
I wasn't making a comparison at all .... Just saying that it can be argued that Schaub was the better QB. It's not crazy to make that statement ....
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I'm just using you gentleman's viewpoints on comparing certain players. Whenever someone mentions Watson to certain players, you gents blows up.


My thing is Watson is not setup to be successful here. All of this drama going on with this organization and O'Brien's stubbornness had an adverse effect on the entire teams performance.

During Matt's two elite years, this team had really good chemistry on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately injuries derailed them from achieving the grand prize.


Let's wait and see if Watson will have that chance to play on a solid run team before making these type of comparisons.
 
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