Yep, and if a QB guru like Bienemy doesn't help DW4 in a couple of yrs where is the team then with a 40 mil per yr avg QB? Good thing is with a new regime of DW's choosing we're going to find out if he's above avg.
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Yep, and if a QB guru like Bienemy doesn't help DW4 in a couple of yrs where is the team then with a 40 mil per yr avg QB? Good thing is with a new regime of DW's choosing we're going to find out if he's above avg.
Glad you've come to your senses.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That part is actually not true at all. He came into the league guns blazing - with a lot of high risk high reward plays. That was working until he got hurt and then didn't work as well when he came back. This continued until week 6 of the 2018 campaign - then the playcalling and his style changed. He wasn't looking as much for the big play and playing it a lot more safe. Drastically cutting back on his yards, TDs and INTs. This went on until BoB got fired. Now he is again looking more for big plays while still taking at least a bit better care of the ball. He has also cut back on his rushing attempts and saving them, for when it is needed.
Of course he is still taking a long time in the pocket, part of this is by design, because he can make defenders miss and get a big play.
His deficiencies are clear - he takes too long in the pocket, doesn't always find the open man and has some accuracy issues. But his play style definetly went at least through 3 phases so far and right now he is playing at a high level - not elite but high.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You know what’s funny, he might not be elite but he just joined some elite quarterbacks with 6 straight games with a passer rating above 100. All the while having a terrible offensive line, no running game and playing on team who just fired their control freak head coach/ GM. Add in the worst defense in the NFL
But hey they are 1000% accurate with their opinions of Watson
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
The Texans have the 2 most important pieces in Watson and Tunsil. Drafting well in the middle rds and better coaching is the key. There are always vets under the radar they have to hit on and stop wasting money on avg players. Martin, Whitney, Cobb, Murray, are all grossly overpaid based on their performance. They have to get the nedt oline and done coach available this off season. The incoming gm has to be a good drafter in the muddle rds. Their pro personal guy has to be able tovidentitfybplayerd who fit the Texans that are miscast on other teams. Again, they have the most important piece.
Texans 2018 defense was #4 in points allowed.
Points Against: 316 (19.8/g) 4th of
32 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2018.htm
2018 #8 in rushing yards.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Texans 2018 defense was #4 in points allowed.
Points Against: 316 (19.8/g) 4th of
32 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2018.htm
2018 #8 in rushing yards.
And they won 11 games.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And without those other parts of the TEAM helping out, they won’t even have a chance to get embarrassed in the playoffs.
If he's not running with the football he's an avg QB.
In 1 paragraph you say he's not looking for the big play as much and in another paragraph you say he's holding the ball in the pocket too long looking for the big play.
If he's not running with the football he's an avg QB.
In 1 paragraph you say he's not looking for the big play as much and in another paragraph you say he's holding the ball in the pocket too long looking for the big play
I've been saying this since RS was here. Missing on draft picks in rds 2-4 go back to the Casserly days and have continued until today Some think DW4'S a championship level QB a few don't think that's the case. More and more are/will come around to the minority way of thinking if DW4'S not successful.
551 yards on the ground was Watson's.Texans 2018 defense was #4 in points allowed.
Points Against: 316 (19.8/g) 4th of
32 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2018.htm
2018 #8 in rushing yards.
And 5 of the 12 rushing TDs.
In the playoffs, the RBs went 8-29
Watson was 8-76
The Colts generated 14 total pressures; the Texans, 6.
The Colts committed 2 penalties for 10 yards; the Texans 8-67.
The Colts dropped 1 pass; the Texans 2.
Wild Card - Indianapolis Colts at Houston Texans - January 5th, 2019 | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Indianapolis Colts 21 at Houston Texans 7 on January 5th, 2019 - Full team and player stats and box score
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See, I knew you could do it.
If Watson would just run the ball a little more, he's already better than average.
Won't be long before he becomes elite now.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
That's a fair point. DW4 hasn't looked the best in the playoffs, and it is a concern of mine.
But, I think it's also fair to wonder whether BOB is putting the offense in position to succeed. Is he coming up with the proper gameplan, playcalling, and preparation?
Maybe DW4 isn't a big game player? He falters in the playoffs? Well, that doesn't quite match up with his history. He won a state championship in high school, he then won a national championship in college. His history suggests he doesn't falter in big games.
If you look at BOB's history, though, he doesn't have any evidence of putting his teams in position to win big games. Throughout his coaching career, has he been able to win "big" games in the post season? Even as a member of the Patriots coaching staff for 5 years, he didn't win one championship ring. Even before DW4 arrived in Houston, look at BOB's performance in the playoffs. They got embarrassed losing 30-ZERO, AT HOME, against KC. The next season, they beat a Raiders team playing their 3rd string QB, then eventually lost to NE 34-16.
So as a common fan like myself, it's very easy to conclude Bill O'Brien is probably the problem, not Deshaun Watson.
Now firing BOB isn't a guarantee to solve all of our problems. We still need to hire a good coach, or else Deshaun is probably heading to a Matthew Stafford type of career.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I’ve made that same argument before but obviously to no avail. In fact after the draft I tried to get a conversation going about the stench coming from the defense and that went largely ignored.
Watson, for whatever reason, has rubbed some people the wrong way. He seems like a nice enough guy, always says the right thing and is leaps and bounds the best Texans quarterback we’ve ever had.
Anyway, I appreciate those that are posting specific plays in this thread. I work Monday through Friday and am taking 5 college courses so I don’t have time to watch football on the weekends. And let’s be honest...the main reason (besides hoping for a W)for most fans to watch the Texans is to watch Watson. Nobody is tuning in to see David Johnson getting stoned at the los, Hargreaves getting burned deep, or Cunningham attempting another shoulder tackle.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Right now, on the spot, tell me 5 qbs under 30 who you deem to be championship level qbs. Mahomes already has a title, take him out of the equation. I'll wait, take your time.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
No, it isn’t a fair point because the team and coaching aspects are not being factored. 76 laid it out.
Why is Rodgers considered elite, or Brees? As great as their careers have been, both have only been to one SB. And before anybody comes back with a lame “well Watson hasn’t even been to a championship game” remark, Brees didn’t get to one until his 6th season, and that was under a completely new regime. All those factors matter and it all seems to get ignored when it comes to Watson. That’s lazy.
Does Watson need to play better in the playoffs? Of course he does. But it would sure help if he wasn’t always carrying the entire team, including the piss poor coaching, all on his shoulders.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Well I would be lying if I said I had no concerns about DW4's performance in his three playoff games.
Granted, I do believe BOB was not putting him in a good position to succeed.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I honestly don't know why y'all entertain Steelb at times with this topic. He had somewhat of a case earlier in the season b/c DW4 was not playing well. Hell i even started a thread about it and was critical of his play. But as he has every single year he's been in the league, his play stabilizes and he goes on to have a damn good season. Usually his play improves as the season gets closer and closer to falling apart for the team & he winds up rescuing us and the season. This year however, the season was pretty much done after the Minny game............... yet we saw the same pattern but the inflection point this time came when BoB was let go.
Here are his averages in the 4 games since BoB was fired:
326 yds a game passing
70% completion percentage
nearly 3 TD's a game (2.75) with an int rate of less than 1 (.05)
117. QB rating.
the 1st 4 games he only had 1 game where he threw for 300 yds....1 game with a completion % above or at 70%, & his TD to int ratio was 2:1..not 6:1 like it currently is. Didn't have a single game where his rating was above 110 in the 1st 4 games.
I think the whole "gameplan offense" BoB tried to run really bothered him and the team in general & I can see why. kinda hard to get into a groove offensively when **** is changing from week to week.
Bottom line, he's playing about as well as a QB can play with the significant problems this team has on offense............................. and defense.
Here are his averages in the 4 games since BoB was fired:
326 yds a game passing
70% completion percentage
nearly 3 TD's a game (2.75) with an int rate of less than 1 (.05)
117. QB rating.
the 1st 4 games he only had 1 game where he threw for 300 yds....1 game with a completion % above or at 70%, & his TD to int ratio was 2:1..not 6:1 like it currently is. Didn't have a single game where his rating was above 110 in the 1st 4 games.
I think the whole "gameplan offense" BoB tried to run really bothered him and the team in general & I can see why. kinda hard to get into a groove offensively when **** is changing from week to week.
Bottom line, he's playing about as well as a QB can play with the significant problems this team has on offense............................. and defense.
Texansballer74
The Marine
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...d-of-nfl-trade-deadline-it-wouldve-been-hell/ via http://cbssportsapp.com
Speaking to the media following a much-needed win in Week 9 over the Jacksonville Jaguars, Watson didn't bite his tongue about it.
"It would have been hell if they would have did that, for sure," he said, via ESPN. "Honestly, I'm glad to continue to play with Will. We've been making a lot of big, big plays since I came into this league, [and we're] going to continue to do that as we continue to go the rest of this year and hopefully the rest of our careers."
Speaking to the media following a much-needed win in Week 9 over the Jacksonville Jaguars, Watson didn't bite his tongue about it.
"It would have been hell if they would have did that, for sure," he said, via ESPN. "Honestly, I'm glad to continue to play with Will. We've been making a lot of big, big plays since I came into this league, [and we're] going to continue to do that as we continue to go the rest of this year and hopefully the rest of our careers."
You should listen to Cecil Shorts who played for BOB and does a great job detailing why BOB's game plan approach leads to inconsistencies and some of the things objective fans have discussed for years.
https://sportsradio610.radio.com/media/audio-channel/the-texans-offense-system-needs-to-change
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All these young men wasted by BOB's ineptitude.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Greg Cosell's opinion on QB play is one that I highly respect. He appears on a podcast with Ross Tucker. The topic wasn't even about Deshaun Watson, but he felt like bringing him up anyways. He said he's playing "by far" the best football of his career right now.
Listen here, starts around 10:14
https://www.podcastone.com/episode/Greg-Cosell-Week-9-Preview--Tua-Wentz-Luton-
Listen here, starts around 10:14
https://www.podcastone.com/episode/Greg-Cosell-Week-9-Preview--Tua-Wentz-Luton-
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
He’s wrong I tell you.....just pure unadulterated BLASPHEMY!!!!! Where are these Snake Oil sales people from......the WFL?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
We all have had our hills we've died on with this team at 1 point or another. Steelb has chosen this one..Some say i chose the Easterby one (& a few others lol) b/c i'm not entirely convinced the guy was as apart of the process as BoB, said he was. I believe BoB, like alot of the folks he brought in or vouched for, used the guy as a shield to deflect some of the criticisms he was sure to take on certain moves he made as the HC and GM. That was his fundamental purpose to BoB and he went so far as to obscure this dudes title and role with the organization whenever someone asked him about Easterby. Well, now that BoB's been gone & Easterby has had full control since BoB left we get to judge Easterby purely on what he's doing instead of relying on BoB's word. & If his handling of the Fuller trade situation was any indication, then i'm only more convinced of my belief that he was just a pawn in BoB's shell game of blame.......B/c we all know what BoB might've done with the WFV trade offers in an effort to save his own skin.
It doesn't mean i want Easterby to be the next GM here or anything, but the further away we get from the BoB era, the more we learn about what kinda nonsense was going on in that building when BoB was around.
Wouldn’t you think he’d rather have Debo?
Yes. As it should be.
Do you think Dan Marino is a Championship level QB? How about Philip Rivers or Andrew Luck?
Twice as much as zero is still zero.
Just because DW4 is playing the best football of his career right now, doesn’t mean champion quality.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Can’t be champion quality under the current circumstances.
So what if more and more come around? If he fails with another HC/OC and is not with the Texans., what's the payoff? A participation trophy saying you were right? A thread with the title "DW4 is a bust"? A lifetime supply of Ben-Gay to relieve the pain in your elbow from patting yourself on the back? Will it be worth the 5+ years of the mind-numbing, repetitive, negative posting in every thread, every hour of every day?
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
You notice that too? Even trying to defend the mistakes they make mistakes
Texansballer74
The Marine
The 1000% accurate crew is at it once again.
The payoff if he's not successful is getting to move on. Right now this has the feeling of wasting time. Hopefully DW4 becomes successful and this feeling subsides.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I guess in some of these fans world only Watson has flaws and he needs to improve.
The rest of the team is top notch and are without flaws. Because they surely don't harp on their flaws nor talk about what they need to improve in.
The rest of the team is top notch and are without flaws. Because they surely don't harp on their flaws nor talk about what they need to improve in.
Welcome to the 2000's
No Rivers/Luck aren't/weren't championship level QB's. Although Luck could've improved to that level if his career hadn't been cut short.
Rivers has had the best team in football a couple of times and came up small against Brady. BTW, I really liked Rivers but this is the truth.
The Clemson offense doesn't work in the NFL due to different rules. But I meant within reason. Dabo isn't within reason.
Bienemy will be the next HC of the Texans, he wouldn't be my 1st choice but hey if DW4 thinks playing in the Chiefs offense will help him reach his potential then sign him up. Just as long as if he fails the excuses stop.
Are you saying we’re a QB away from being contenders?
What would it mean if Bieniemy is not our next HC?
As a matter of fact, I think it’s highly unlikely Bieniemy will be our next HC.
Nope, I'm saying that I feel like as long as DW4's here it's wasted time unless the next HC can somehow turn him around.
It would mean Bienemy would be taking a job that he thinks he has more potential to win at another city. I kind of think he would pick the Falcons job over the Texans job.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That Clemson offense was very successful here in Houston during Watson rookie season. If you actually looked around the league a lot of teams are running quite a bit of those RPO plays. Especially Baltimore
In KC they’re running a bunch of Texas Tech plays, as well as running a lot of the RPO plays.
Have you not been pay attention?
The difference between running the RPO in college vs the NFL is you can block 3 yds beyond the LOS in college and 1 yd beyond the LOS in the NFL. I didn't say some teams dont run some RPO in the NFL but it's not a staple of offenses in the NFL.
So DW4 isn’t the all powerful guy you think he is?
What does this have to do with DW4?
This is about Eric B choosing the franchise that gives him the best chance to succeed.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Mahomes/Herbert/Burrow/LJ/Carr/Lawrence after he's drafted.
Yep, blow up the team. Or hopefully beat someone other than the jags. (They really should change their name)