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Pick 40

We don’t need offense - we need defense. Every pick on offense is a luxury, because we already have starters in place. On defense we are severely lacking a pass rusher and are still running b CB by committee without too many answers.

the first pick should be best value at either pass rusher or corner!
 
LikeMike said:
We don’t need offense - we need defense. Every pick on offense is a luxury, because we already have starters in place. On defense we are severely lacking a pass rusher and are still running b CB by committee without too many answers.

the first pick should be best value at either pass rusher or corner!
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I listed the projected 2020 Defensive Depth Chart in another post. OB brought back his entire defense and other pieces that were the defense last season. He's done nothing in regards to the OL.....you know, the same unit that looked like a train wreck towards the end of the season and in the playoffs. This must be addressed along with getting an answer at RB in the event his 2 3rd down receiving backs can't carry the load between the tackles (G's) for a full 16 game schedule.

Here let me change this for you.....2- OL and 1- RB in the 2020 NFL Draft.
 
LikeMike said:
We don’t need offense - we need defense. Every pick on offense is a luxury, because we already have starters in place. On defense we are severely lacking a pass rusher and are still running b CB by committee without too many answers.

the first pick should be best value at either pass rusher or corner!
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Or a stud Safety that could cover TE's like Kelce.
 
A stud safety would be great but currently I see the biggest need is along the front 7. The back half of a defense has always been about smarts and communication IMO. Having that stud DB is a luxury that makes coverage simpler on an opposing player but offenses can always scheme around it. This is where the smarts and communication comes in and takes playing together and practice. As OB now has the full responsibility of all transactions including the draft, if the pick is on the defensive side then I'm almost positive Crennel or Weaver will be the one who makes the pick through OB.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
A stud safety would be great but currently I see the biggest need is along the front 7. The back half of a defense has always been about smarts and communication IMO. Having that stud DB is a luxury that makes coverage simpler on an opposing player but offenses can always scheme around it. This is where the smarts and communication comes in and takes playing together and practice. As OB now has the full responsibility of all transactions including the draft, if the pick is on the defensive side then I'm almost positive Crennel or Weaver will be the one who makes the pick through OB.
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Having a guy like Delpit to pair with Reid will make Roby/Conley look much better.

Agreed about the front 7 also needing help as well as another CB wouldn't hurt a thing.
 
Good morning. Allow me to ask the mods or members here if it may be possible to run a draft pick vote poll here on the Texans board. Maybe like the first 3 picks which position it may be selected and/or player. Just to get an idea and excitement for the unique TV draft this week. Maybe it's already here but I haven't found it. Thanks.
 
I've made a tweek in my top 4 picks which will be posted on the Draft Forum, but for #40, I'm sticking with my previous choice, an impact edge rusher.

Last year we were near the bottom in sacks. And putting more pressure on the opposing QB will help our DB's.

We know OB prefers not to start rookies, but putting a situational rusher in and telling him to get after the QB doesn't take anything much more than talent. You don't need much coaching.

There's been suggestions we go after an interior linemen to replace Reader. But except for a rare few, you usually don't get more than a handful of sacks from the interior. Outside you can get impact contribution from a rookie.

At 40, there could be 3 possibilities, Julian Okware, my first choice, and Terrell Lewis and Zack Baun.

If all three are on the board at 40, I'm looking to trade back.

So, at 40, my choice is Julian Okawe, edge rusher.
 
Number19 said:
I've made a tweek in my top 4 picks which will be posted on the Draft Forum, but for #40, I'm sticking with my previous choice, an impact edge rusher.

Last year we were near the bottom in sacks. And putting more pressure on the opposing QB will help our DB's.

We know OB prefers not to start rookies, but putting a situational rusher in and telling him to get after the QB doesn't take anything much more than talent. You don't need much coaching.

There's been suggestions we go after an interior linemen to replace Reader. But except for a rare few, you usually don't get more than a handful of sacks from the interior. Outside you can get impact contribution from a rookie.

At 40, there could be 3 possibilities, Julian Okware, my first choice, and Terrell Lewis and Zack Baun.

If all three are on the board at 40, I'm looking to trade back.

So, at 40, my choice is Julian Okawe, edge rusher.
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My choices are

1. Gladney
2. Delpit
3. Lewis
4. Darrell Taylor
 
In looking at a 7 round mock draft from CBS, https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...s-18-trades-full-breakdowns-for-all-32-teams/, it has us taking D'Andre Swift at 40. While I agree that defense should be our priority through the entire draft, it's difficult to pass on a talent like Swift. However, if we do draft a RB it would seem to make the DHop trade even worse than it already is.
While all of these mocks are nothing more than wild ass guesses, I wouldn't be too upset if we drafted like this mock.
 
Toro Bravo said:
In looking at a 7 round mock draft from CBS, https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...s-18-trades-full-breakdowns-for-all-32-teams/, it has us taking D'Andre Swift at 40. While I agree that defense should be our priority through the entire draft, it's difficult to pass on a talent like Swift. However, if we do draft a RB it would seem to make the DHop trade even worse than it already is.
While all of these mocks are nothing more than wild ass guesses, I wouldn't be too upset if we drafted like this mock.
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Swift has too much of an injury history for my taste. Jonathan Taylor is my guy. I also like Dobbins alot. However if talent is there and it should be, 40 has to go to the defense.
 
texanhead08 said:
That means the Texans will probably take him they love injury prone players.
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Do you pick Lewis if he's there at 40. He's talented but in 2017 hurt his elbow and missed 10 games. In 2018 tore his ACL in spring practice and missed the season. 2019 was healthy and productive. Looks like Lewis best footall is ahead of him.

Another guy I like is Darrell Taylor, he got 8 1/2 sacks then played the rest of the season with a broken leg and his production fell off. Zuniga missed most of last season with a high ankle sprain. He has a great 1st step. All of the edges that will be there at 40 have varying degrees of injury history. Which one would you take a gamble on, if any at all?
 
steelbtexan said:
Do you pick Lewis if he's there at 40. He's talented but in 2017 hurt his elbow and missed 10 games. In 2018 tore his ACL in spring practice and missed the season. 2019 was healthy and productive. Looks like Lewis best footall is ahead of him.

Another guy I like is Darrell Taylor, he got 8 1/2 sacks then played the rest of the season with a broken leg and his production fell off. Zuniga missed most of last season with a high ankle sprain. He has a great 1st step. All of the edges that will be there at 40 have varying degrees of injury history. Which one would you take a gamble on, if any at all?
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I want Diggs, but he won't fall that far. Johnson is second choice
 
steelbtexan said:
Do you pick Lewis if he's there at 40. He's talented but in 2017 hurt his elbow and missed 10 games. In 2018 tore his ACL in spring practice and missed the season. 2019 was healthy and productive. Looks like Lewis best footall is ahead of him.

Another guy I like is Darrell Taylor, he got 8 1/2 sacks then played the rest of the season with a broken leg and his production fell off. Zuniga missed most of last season with a high ankle sprain. He has a great 1st step. All of the edges that will be there at 40 have varying degrees of injury history. Which one would you take a gamble on, if any at all?
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I don't see any of these guys in play @40. Did you see Brant's and Jeremiah's rankings on NFL.com? Both had Lewis in the late 90s, early 100s. These rankings came out after the combine medicals and tests were released to the teams. I think Lewis came back with some serious issues and combined with his lack of tape will see him drop to the 3rd. Possibly to 3.90.

I think Taylor and Zuniga aren't in as bad shape on their medicals, but have enough issues to keep them out of the 2nd round. At least one of these guys should be available at 3.90. Maybe even 4.111. 5 tech and SS are what the Texans are likely looking at for 2.40.
 
Lucky said:
I don't see any of these guys in play @40. Did you see Brant's and Jeremiah's rankings on NFL.com? Both had Lewis in the late 90s, early 100s. These rankings came out after the combine medicals and tests were released to the teams. I think Lewis came back with some serious issues and combined with his lack of tape will see him drop to the 3rd. Possibly to 3.90.

I think Taylor and Zuniga aren't in as bad shape on their medicals, but have enough issues to keep them out of the 2nd round. At least one of these guys should be available at 3.90. Maybe even 4.111. 5 tech and SS are what the Texans are likely looking at for 2.40.
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I had Dugger in my 1st mock and think he would be a great pick. I like Chinn too.

If Delpit's there do you pick him and move Reid to SS?

BTW, Looks like the Raiders/Vikes are looking at Johnson in the 1st.
 
steelbtexan said:
I had Dugger in my 1st mock and think he would be a great pick. I like Chinn too.

If Delpit's there do you pick him and move Reid to SS?

BTW, Looks like the Raiders/Vikes are looking at Johnson in the 1st.
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I don't know if O'Brien would gamble on a raw player like Dugger or Chinn, as Gaine would. I think taking Delpit and playing combo safeties with Reid might be the move. If not at 2.40, the Texans could look at Kenny Robinson in the mid rounds. He has minor league tape, and UH coach/former West Virginia coach Dana Holgorsen might be a good reference.
 
I like Terrell Burgess around that area too if we’re looking S. Extremely versatile. Going to go higher than people are projecting. I like Julian Blackmon a ton too but not at 40. I think we’re looking for a S with CB experience or at the very least strong in man coverage. That would combo well with Reid.
 
Wow you guys know your players I feel so small lol. That's why I come here to learn alot about players thanks. I feel comfortable with positions and you all favorably answered it. Defense like in order of pass rusher edge, CB, ILB. (Safety?) Then next rounds go in order for OT/OG, WR, RB, TE. I don't think they would go for 2 first choice defense picks?
 
bah007 said:
I like Terrell Burgess around that area too if we’re looking S. Extremely versatile. Going to go higher than people are projecting. I like Julian Blackmon a ton too but not at 40. I think we’re looking for a S with CB experience or at the very least strong in man coverage. That would combo well with Reid.
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I think Blackmon will be there in the 4th/5th. Without the injury history who do you like better Burgess or Blackmon?
 
What will Bill O’Brien do? Here are five Texans draft predictions

Bill O’Brien has asked for years of patience before anyone makes a final judgment of the roster overhaul he’s conducted since seizing control of the Texans. But at least the wait to see his process’ next steps is nearly over.

The NFL Draft begins Thursday, and though O’Brien currently doesn’t possess a first-round pick, he’s proven by now he’s bound to make a move that’ll get fans and pundits talking. The only question is how?

Will O’Brien trade up? Trade down? Deal a player currently on his roster? Snag a prospect who unexpectedly falls and addresses an apparent weakness?

A day before the draft, with many moves around the league yet to occur, not even O’Brien can say for certain. But because I spend most of my time these days thinking about either the coronavirus or the ripple effects of the DeAndre Hopkins trade, I figured I’d take a guess.

Here, then, are five Texans-related predictions for the 2020 draft, which will all absolutely, most definitely be completely correct.

The Texans will trade down from the 40th pick

In my final mock draft, the Texans traded with the Jaguars to move down from pick No. 40 to 42. Houston also gave up the 240th selection. In return, the Texans netted the 137th pick and a 2021 sixth-rounder from Jacksonville. Based on Pro Football Reference’s pick value chart, this deal is a bit lopsided toward Houston, and Pro Football Focus data shows the Texans “win” that deal 57 percent of the time.

Even if O’Brien can’t find quite that favorable of a trade — I was surprised I did — moving down could still make a lot of sense for the Texans. They lack premium draft capital following the Laremy Tunsil trade and must now restock. Teams’ hit rate on picks hasn’t meaningfully improved with time, so they should prioritize acquiring a high volume of chances at landing an impact player.

What could Houston get in return for the 40th pick? Here’s a sampling of past deals:

2014: Seattle traded pick Nos. 40 and 108 for pick Nos. 45, 111 and 227
2009: Oakland traded the 40th pick for pick Nos. 47, 124 and 199
1999: Chicago traded pick Nos. 40 and 102 for pick Nos. 48, 78 and 111
None of those trades involved future picks, but perhaps O’Brien would prefer 2021 or 2022 selections over ones in this draft. In his pre-draft conference with reporters, O’Brien expressed doubt regarding whether many rookies would make impacts this year because of how the coronavirus pandemic has altered the offseason.

“This year, with the unique position that we’re in, I truly believe that this is a veteran-type of year,” O’Brien said. “I think it’s going to be really difficult for rookies without offseason practicing on the field and being able to do all the things that you do during that five-week stretch after the draft and then training camp. Who knows when all that will start? I’m not trying to predict that, but I think this year being different than any other year — that’s part of our building of the team.”

A free agent who signs with Houston after the draft will play more defensive snaps than any Texans rookie

Staying on O’Brien’s point about rookies’ potentially limited impacts, I’m not sure the most notable addition the Texans will make to their 2020 defense during the remainder of the offseason will come via this draft. Having mostly tweaked their offense to this point, the Texans are likely to focus on defense not only this weekend, but in the weeks to come, too.

Following the draft, free agent signings won’t count toward the compensatory pick formula, so there should be another wave of deals. There are useful, veteran pass rushers still on the market, including Clay Matthews and Markus Golden, as well as corners who could supply depth to a group that’s mostly unchanged from a season ago. Even Jadeveon Clowney is still available! (No way the Texans sign him.)

According to Over The Cap’s projection, the Texans currently have $19.5 million in cap space. Much of that will evaporate once the team signs its draft class and agrees to expensive extensions for Tunsil and quarterback Deshaun Watson. But the Texans can always create more with cuts or trades.

Guard Zach Fulton and receiver Kenny Stills each count for $7 million against the cap, but their contracts carry no dead money. Releasing reserve offensive lineman Senio Kelemete would net Houston nearly $2.8 million in space. If the Texans cut safety Tashaun Gipson — who O’Brien didn’t mention in his pre-draft presser, after highlighting the position as one the team could add to via the draft — that would free about $3.7 million.

The Texans rookie who starts the most games this season will be an offensive lineman

If there’s any position at which O’Brien might put a lot of trust into a rookie this year, it could be along the offensive line, where players are mostly exempt from rotations and there’s one spot the Texans could use a long-term upgrade: right guard. That’s where Fulton has started 28 games during the past two seasons, and because of both his salary and his play, the team could use the draft to find an eventual replacement for him.

According to PFF, rookie Max Scharping and Fulton tied for the team lead in pressures allowed (28) last season, but the latter is a veteran playing on a contract carrying $7 million cap hits and no guaranteed money in each of the next two seasons. Unless the Texans draft an instant-impact guard, cutting Fulton before the season might not make much sense. But the money Houston could free up by moving on from him in 2021 — when Watson and Tunsil will presumably be playing for a lot more money — would be valuable. If Fulton struggles during his third year in Houston, perhaps O’Brien gives a rookie offensive lineman a chance in the second half of the season, so the team can decide whether it has a viable replacement.

Houston will add yet another vertical threat

By swapping DeAndre Hopkins for Brandin Cooks, the Texans have rebuilt their receiving corps around speed. They could use this deep class at the position to find a big-bodied possession receiver who complements the existing pieces, or they could double down. Here’s to guessing the Texans do the latter, even if that defies team-building norms.

Why am I predicting this? I’m not convinced O’Brien views a short and intermediate target as a pressing need. During a free agency period in which receivers encountered a mostly dry market, O’Brien gave slot receiver Randall Cobb a three-year, $27 million deal that includes $18 million guaranteed. He obviously expects a lot of production out of Cobb. And if O’Brien’s bet on a David Johnson resurgence comes to fruition, it’ll be because the running back once again becomes arguably the best receiver at his position, like he was in his All-Pro 2016 campaign.

That’s to say nothing of Houston’s tight ends, including Darren Fells, who is coming off a career year; Jordan Akins, whose targets more than doubled in his second pro season; and Kahale Warring, who spent his rookie year on IR but still garners expectations from the coaching staff.

“I’m excited about Kahale’s future,” O’Brien said. “I really like Kahale. I think he’s a hardworking guy, and I think he’s got a lot of talent, and I think he’s going to be a really good player for us.”

If all of these men play at the top end of their potential, maybe the Texans really won’t need a wide receiver whom Watson can turn to for a quick throw in tight coverage. But that’s a big parlay.

O’Brien will draft a RB in the fourth or fifth round

The Texans are already tying up $15.2 million in cap space to running backs David and Duke Johnson. Would they really draft a running back this early?

Since O’Brien has taken over for the front office, the Texans have made three trades for running backs. He clearly places more value on the position than football’s analytics crowd, or really much of the league. And though the perceived success or failure of the Texans’ biggest offseason move hinges on David Johnson having a bounce-back year, O’Brien must consider the possibility that doesn’t happen. Johnson might have passed his physical with “flying colors,” as the coach said, but the running back has played in 30 games during the past three seasons. And when he’s been on the field, he hasn’t been productive, averaging 3.7 yards per carry during the past two years.

So O’Brien will hedge by drafting a running back with either the 111th pick, the 171st pick or another middle-round selection that he picks up via trade.
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Whatever it is, take a guy with the highest motor, drive, and football IQ so that they can overcome O'Brien being a ****-for-brains loser.
 
BPA at 40 should be the pick unless BPA is a quarterback. If QB is BPA, you might have the leverage to trade that pick for greater than normal value.

The Texans need help everywhere. I’m hoping the BPA is a pass rusher, because I feel that is their biggest need.

Honestly, I very much doubt that the Texans will be drafting at #40.
 
bah007 said:
At 40, I think it is unlikely pass rusher is BPA. This is a weak draft for those guys and the only ones that don’t have warts will be gone.

I think BPA will be DL or CB. Take your guy there or trade back a few spots and take your top EDGE guy.
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I'm for trading back. There will be as good a player at 45 as 40. Unless Gladney/Delpit are there. I also like Winfield quite a bit. He could be your Nicole CB as well as Safety.

Give me something like this

2. Winfield
3. Zuniga
4. Fotu
5. Blackmon.

Add Safeties that can play the slot and. A stud NT, Plus an edge with great 1st step/ potential.
 
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Edge is a good idea. Be it a DE or OLB... maybe a hybrid. There are a few who will be there at 40. After that, as deep is the draft is at WR we could take one at 40. But, I don't think we will with as deep the position is this year. To round 4 you can probably get a starter quality WR. Maybe even in the 5th.
 
Bill will take the punter from South Dakota State. Anyone that thinks that they have a clue what this moron will do has more mind-reading ability then me.
 
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