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Stop blaming O'Brien and start blaming the ownership and management

Coach Bill O'Brien spent the 2019 season with the power in Houston. Now he has the title to go along with that control
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While O'Brien often talked of the collaborative front office effort last season, it was clear the coach ran the show. Now Houston gives him the title consummate with that power.
NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport noted that giving O'Brien the GM title further solidifies that Nick Caserio won't leave New England for Houston, a much-speculated union stemming back to last offseason.
Rapoport also added that Romeo Crennel will stay on staff in a key role on defense, per a source informed of the situation. The Texans are expected to elevate Antony Weaver from defensive line coach to take over for Crennel as defensive coordinator.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001099559/article/texans-coach-bill-obrien-gains-general-manager-title
 
zshawn10 said:
More on the #Texans: The promotion of Bill O’Brien to GM further solidifies that Nick Caserio won’t be in Houston… Plus, Romeo Crennel stays on staff in a key role on defense, source says.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 28, 2020
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In no way does the GM title assigned to O'Brien preclude Caserio coming here............another complementary title will easily be created if need be.
 
OB now has the title of "General Manager". In honor of this, a new Netflix series "Lost in the NFL" will premier next year based on the exploits of Admiral OB. In the first episode, Admiral OB encounters a dangerous space alien and loses the yellow challenge battle. As a result, he dies, but suddenly reappears each episode with new titles and medals. There will be no season ending cliffhangers in this series as each season will always have the same ending.
 
So I've made the conscious decision that next year, I will stay in the parking lot, tailgating, with a generator to power a TV in which I will watch the game. No need to buy any drinks or food. Just hang out and enjoy the environment. Maybe I'll go in if I want to. Maybe I'll go in for a quarter and come out. I don't know! It's a new world of adventure for me. All I know is that I better get comfy because this thing is going to go on for at least 2 more years. I'm over in the Platinum lot. Come say hi.

I hope that more of us season ticket holders start doing the same thing. It's going to be a PR nightmare if everyone stays in the lot, but doesn't go into the stadium. As we have discussed, getting rid of your season tickets does no good, BUT if you have 50k people in the lot and 10k in the stadium, that's going to say a lot. A guy can dream...right? I'm going to go lay down.
 
DocBar said:
I'm getting back to my pre-Texans NFL routine and following other teams more closely. I'm a fan of Andy Reid and Mahommes and a fan of San Francisco since The Catch, so I'm completely confused on who to pull for in the Super Bowl.
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I got two man crushes right now. Mahomes and Burrow.
I'm all about Mahomes this Sunday. Love me some qb play. Still have no idea what to think of Jimmy G. I mean is he Schaub 2.0? Hes in a wonderful system. Throw in a top notch D.

As for texans and cowboys

One team has a fresh start, the other rinse and repeat
 
House of Pain said:
So I've made the conscious decision that next year, I will stay in the parking lot, tailgating, with a generator to power a TV in which I will watch the game. No need to buy any drinks or food. Just hang out and enjoy the environment. Maybe I'll go in if I want to. Maybe I'll go in for a quarter and come out. I don't know! It's a new world of adventure for me. All I know is that I better get comfy because this thing is going to go on for at least 2 more years. I'm over in the Platinum lot. Come say hi.

I hope that more of us season ticket holders start doing the same thing. It's going to be a PR nightmare if everyone stays in the lot, but doesn't go into the stadium. As we have discussed, getting rid of your season tickets does no good, BUT if you have 50k people in the lot and 10k in the stadium, that's going to say a lot. A guy can dream...right? I'm going to go lay down.
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Feel yeah good buddy. I live in Austin area. Chose red zone channel over season tickets
 
Why all of this wailing and gnashing of teeth? I see a light at the end of the tunnel and it's about to become the train wreck that will finally get OB out Houston for good. I'm actually glad that OB got the title. The buck stops at his desk and his desk alone, regardless of the hat he happens to be wearing. Neither OB or the succubus known as Easterby got a raise or a contract extention, so maybe the clock hasn't been restarted on a rebuild just yet.
It might simply be that OB mortgaged the future so much that there were simply no competent GMs that wanted the job, especially knowing the influence that OB and Easterby would wield. It could well be that the Texans have shaken off the mantle of NE South and assumed the mantle of Cleveland South. OB should have much less wiggle room on personnel decisions and team performance.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep. Waiting list is over 30,000 the last time I heard about it. I have a friend that's been on it for 7+ years.



Good points, man. I kinda' look at this forum as an 'emotional support group' for guys crazy enough to love this game and this team.

Most fans are apathetic about the Texans right now. It's the off-season, time to move on to other forms of entertainment.

We are the nuts crazy enough to care and talk about this stuff 365 days of the year. We probably have some kind of collective mild psychosis. :crazy:



Yep.

I think for a lot of Houston football fans, it's the accumulated frustration of 5+ decades of futility. This city has never even hosted a conference championship game, much less had a team that won it.

Yeah, it could definitely be worse. I don't know how Cleveland fans do it year in and year out.

But, it could also be better. Which, I guess, is why we seem to be glutton for punishment every new football season. Charlie Brown hoping to finally kick that football.

What we can't lose sight of is that it's just spectator entertainment. We should appreciate each others company and passion, even when disagreeing. Y'all are the only ones that I can chat about football in the spring, and I like having a place to go to. Y'all are the only ones that can truly comprehend that fan frustration about this particular brand of spectator entertainment.
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Tell your friend to get with me. I want to sell 2 tickets in 114. Bill Obrien is officially the GM now.
 
House of Pain said:
So I've made the conscious decision that next year, I will stay in the parking lot, tailgating, with a generator to power a TV in which I will watch the game. No need to buy any drinks or food. Just hang out and enjoy the environment. Maybe I'll go in if I want to. Maybe I'll go in for a quarter and come out. I don't know! It's a new world of adventure for me. All I know is that I better get comfy because this thing is going to go on for at least 2 more years. I'm over in the Platinum lot. Come say hi.

I hope that more of us season ticket holders start doing the same thing. It's going to be a PR nightmare if everyone stays in the lot, but doesn't go into the stadium. As we have discussed, getting rid of your season tickets does no good, BUT if you have 50k people in the lot and 10k in the stadium, that's going to say a lot. A guy can dream...right? I'm going to go lay down.
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This is not as far fetched as you might think. You can make a lot of noise through social media. There are thousands of people who think the same thing.
 
I’ll always support the Texans because Texas is my original home and birthplace (the Cowboys don’t count). However I admittedly support them from a distance now, especially after moving to Florida and that distance grew a bit further with this announcement.

I just don’t care for the man and now it’s Team O’Brien. On the bright side this isn’t the Oilers because I would still have that emotional attachment. The Texans just aren’t my problem anymore. I follow enough dysfunction as it is over here in Tampa Bay.
 
steelbtexan said:
Neither has BOB.

Hopefully he's willing to pay Suh this year around the 13 mil he got last yr. Great/Good players get paid.
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OB just threw draft picks at other teams. Hopefully Tunsil can get his head out of his gas mask and quit committing so many dang penalties. Stills has been a welcome addition. Not sure what to make of Hyde. With Devlin coaching the OL, it's hard to judge the offense.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I’ll always support the Texans because Texas is my original home and birthplace (the Cowboys don’t count). However I admittedly support them from a distance now, especially after moving to Florida and that distance grew a bit further with this announcement.

I just don’t care for the man and now it’s Team O’Brien. On the bright side this isn’t the Oilers because I would still have that emotional attachment. The Texans just aren’t my problem anymore. I follow enough dysfunction as it is over here in Tampa Bay.
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Why do you dislike the man?
 
DocBar said:
OB just threw draft picks at other teams. Hopefully Tunsil can get his head out of his gas mask and quit committing so many dang penalties. Stills has been a welcome addition. Not sure what to make of Hyde. With Devlin coaching the OL, it's hard to judge the offense.
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Agreed, which is why they need to bring in a couple of big time FA's like Suh and what they did with Roby last yr.
 
House of Pain said:
Or better yet, start blaming them both (with more of the blame going to management/ownership). O'Brien is who he is. It's well documented. We know he isn't going anywhere and he is just being himself. He only has the power in the organization because of the ownership and management allows him to. The real problem is that as fans, we never hold the organization accountable. Bob and Janice and now Cal are the people who can change our head coach and GM, not O'Brien.

I know this is a bit of an oversimplification, but the ownership (or the management that the owners put in place) has made all the decisions that have kept us in mediocrity. Say what you will about Kubiak, but he with Peyton Manning won a SB. Do you think that if we took a chance on Manning (reports said he wanted to come here) we wouldn't have made it further than we did? I know someone is going to tell me that Kubiak didn't want Manning. Well, competent ownership/management would have brought in Manning and told Kubes to make it work or hit the bricks. The ownership and management should have more vision for the organization than the HC.

Upset that we let Lil' Shanny or Vrabel go? This too is a management/ownership problem. Mad that Brian Gaine didn't lock up Clowney or didn't move up for Dillard? This too is on management/ownership.

TL;DR - Blame O'Brien all you want, he has made countless mistakes. He's not held accountable by the power structure above him. Based on what I have seen out of this organization, we could reincarnate Bill Walsh and we would still suck because our membership/ownership group is inept and will always turn sugar into s***.
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Butt Chin in the face of organization not Cal. Spin it anyway you choose to make it more palatable but out of sight out of mind. Hating OB will continue and there’s not a god damn thing Cal or anyone else can/will remove this albatross:toropalm:
 
LMAOOOOO ... the OWNER laid all the credit for a winning season at the feet of OBrien like some sacrificial offering!! HAHAHA OMG this team is trainwreck and its hard to peel away even for a day - these egomaniacs couldnt even wait to release this news, next week or the week after NOPE- they want the world to know during Super Bowl week who is in charge!! Hilarious.

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Thorn said:
OB now has the title of "General Manager". In honor of this, a new Netflix series "Lost in the NFL" will premier next year based on the exploits of Admiral OB. In the first episode, Admiral OB encounters a dangerous space alien and loses the yellow challenge battle. As a result, he dies, but suddenly reappears each episode with new titles and medals. There will be no season ending cliffhangers in this series as each season will always have the same ending.
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HBO announced a spinoff of Hard Knocks that's gonna be called Whattha Fuxs.... guess what team is gonna be in the pilot season?

Guess it's now one person that buys the groceries, delivers them, cooks the meal, then washes the dishes. Hopefully he has enough timeouts to accomplish all this.

Funny Cal had to note they've been doing it this way for the past 8 months. Raise your hand if you were shocked from that announcement
 
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Definitely not the firing we wanted to see. But I wasn't expecting so many.

Someone was definitely not happy with the way the season turned out.
 
thunderkyss said:
Definitely not the firing we wanted to see. But I wasn't expecting so many.

Someone was definitely not happy with the way the season turned out.
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Maybe the lunch ladies were the ones behind O’Brien’s incompetent play calling, and brain farts after the 24-0 lead against the Chiefs? Think about it. Six years of malnourishment have obviously taken a toll on such a great mind. Fire them hawws!
 
Mangler said:
Maybe the lunch ladies were the ones behind O’Brien’s incompetent play calling, and brain farts after the 24-0 lead against the Chiefs? Think about it. Six years of malnourishment have obviously taken a toll on such a great mind. Fire them hawws!
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Agreed. We need someone on the sideline with a bag of snickers.
 
My concern still remains the same: Who will hold O'Brien accountable whether as GM, HC or OC? IMO, Cal is not proving he is capable of that as far as football operations unless the sole metric only relates to profit. I had wished that before doing changes like this "official GM" and to the staff that Cal would have sought outside consultation from an established football person/goup. Maybe he did but its hard to assume that anyone would have ok'd this.
 
sandman said:
Eh, I have no desire to get into a semantical argument. There are very few knowledgeable football fans outside of this MB who would call the Texans a middling to below average or a poor quality team. They would most certainly consider them inconsistent, not playing to their potential and seemingly unprepared come playoff time, which are extremely frustrating attributes, but they would laugh if you tried to convince them that failing to get out of the divisional playoff game was considered a mediocre season by a mediocre team. 75% of the NFL had already ended their season by that weekend.

"We are a bad playoff team" seems like such a first world problem to many NFL franchises.
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Haven't read beyond this in the thread …. but a point I'd like to make:

Expectations play a large part of how we feel at the end of a season.

If we go into a season with low expectations and meet or exceed them , great - how can we do better going forward ?

If we go into a season with high expectations and fail to reach them - the sky is falling.

I don't believe many had the expectations I did going into the season - 12-4 and a top 2 seed. They had their chances twice to make that top 2 seed happen - against the Ravens and again against Denver.
The Ravens put a whoopin on them … and I don't think any of us expected them to win in Baltimore.
They are a clearly better team than the Bronco's …. and flopped. May have been their worst performance of the year.

When your expectations are they are one of the 4 best teams in the league …. you expect better than we got in an embarrassing , historical loss on the road in the divisional round.

I believe this team has a lot of talent , what I don't believe is that OB is getting the most out of that talent.

I felt let down (again) …. especially after being up 28-0.
 
Corrosion said:
Haven't read beyond this in the thread …. but a point I'd like to make:

Expectations play a large part of how we feel at the end of a season.

If we go into a season with low expectations and meet or exceed them , great - how can we do better going forward ?

If we go into a season with high expectations and fail to reach them - the sky is falling.

I don't believe many had the expectations I did going into the season - 12-4 and a top 2 seed. They had their chances twice to make that top 2 seed happen - against the Ravens and again against Denver.
The Ravens put a whoopin on them … and I don't think any of us expected them to win in Baltimore.
They are a clearly better team than the Bronco's …. and flopped. May have been their worst performance of the year.

When your expectations are they are one of the 4 best teams in the league …. you expect better than we got in an embarrassing , historical loss on the road in the divisional round.

I believe this team has a lot of talent , what I don't believe is that OB is getting the most out of that talent.

I felt let down (again) …. especially after being up 28-0.
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I fully understand your point but now think about how it feels to be a Ravens fan. Number 1 seed, MVP QB, good defense, unstoppable offense and a win streak of what like 10 games. You slap around every team that might be considered you rival and then in your first playoff game you get beat by a team that barely squeaked into the playoffs because the Texans used that game as a rest game. So yeah on the "felt let down" scale the Texans were a 5-6 to the Ravens 9-10 for me. Maybe that's why I'm more forgiving of the melt down than most on here.
 
maverick512000 said:
I fully understand your point but now think about how it feels to be a Ravens fan. Number 1 seed, MVP QB, good defense, unstoppable offense and a win streak of what like 10 games. You slap around every team that might be considered you rival and then in your first playoff game you get beat by a team that barely squeaked into the playoffs because the Texans used that game as a rest game. So yeah on the "felt let down" scale the Texans were a 5-6 to the Ravens 9-10 for me. Maybe that's why I'm more forgiving of the melt down than most on here.
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Ravens fans have trophies in the case. They have renewed hope every season because they have experienced it multiple times. Their coaches, staff, and players come to work every day and see those two beautiful, shiny silver trophies in the foyer. They have a standard set by previous teams and fans should have high expectations. History means something. It just does. Retired players and coaches talk about it on NFL Films.

Houston, on the other hand. . .well, we've got the chokes. :choke:
 
Double Barrel said:
Ravens fans have trophies in the case. They have renewed hope every season because they have experienced it multiple times. Their coaches, staff, and players come to work every day and see those two beautiful, shiny silver trophies in the foyer. They have a standard set by previous teams and fans should have high expectations. History means something. It just does. Retired players and coaches talk about it on NFL Films.

Houston, on the other hand. . .well, we've got the chokes. :choke:
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Been a Ravens fan longer than I have a Texans fan and I will tell you having trophies in the case as you say is not that big a deal because no one wants to sit around and talk about how great they use to be. History only means something if that’s all you have, how long have people laughed at Dallas fans for talking about their team like it’s still the 90s.

Maybe to players, coaches and staff those trophies are enough but to me when I see my team go from dominate in the regular season to one and done against the 6th seed team I couldn’t care less about trophies won almost a decade ago for one and almost 2 decades on another.
 
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