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Texans don’t plan to hire a G.M. in 2020

TexansBull said:
Find a post of mine that says that.

I probably was like let’s wait and see.
I probably said he doesn’t need to run as much or he is going to get hurt.

I know I did say we should start Savage to use as trade bait if he turns out serviceable. Plus the line was trash so let him get the hits and sacks. And because OB could get fired at the end of the season so why let OB ruin DW. I was hoping Reid would get fired to bring him here. After the Ravens game I was hoping for Roman to come here.

Because I figured on Watson being the franchise, I wanted him healthy and have a chance before getting ruined by taking too many hits or injured. Like a collapsed lung. Plus - I was expecting OB to be out. Still not the biggest fan.

Since I believe that why wouldn’t I be happy with the trade? Franchise QB safe? Awesome.

But - because I stay balanced - I criticize both OB AND Watson, people have assumed I am a OB Apologist and a Watson hater.

I am neither.

I am a Texans fan and want the Texans to win.

That’s why when OB sucks I will say he sucks. The board handles that well.

But these fanboys with their Watson candles and their belief that he does no wrong can’t stomach when people point out Watson still has some growth and learning to do. Or when he throws an interception that it’s on him. Or when someone points out he plays bad.

Texan fan first. Always.
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^^^^

There's a minority portion of the board that really thinks this.

Luckily they're in the minority.
 
dream_team said:
The fact that you think drafting Watson was a mistake goes to show why I can't take anything you say seriously.
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Just because I would've done things differently doesn't mean that I dont think WaJICtson isn't a good young QB. I think he's good with a chance to become great. But he's not there yet.
 
Texansballer74 said:
You do not know the reason why RS isn't on some NFL staff. Could it not be because he lost his beautiful better half and that he's already rich. I believe he's still getting a fat paycheck from the Texans.
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Teams are beating down his door to hire him.

His track record says it all.
 
steelbtexan said:
Just because I would've done things differently doesn't mean that I dont think WaJICtson isn't a good young QB. I think he's good with a chance to become great. But he's not there yet.
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This contradicts your earlier statements on Watson... just a few weeks ago you claimed he would "never get it" and the Texans should move on from him.

BTW, when you have the chance to get a great QB, you do it. You don't wait or hesitate. Franchise QBs aren't available every off season.
 
dream_team said:
The fact that you think drafting Watson was a mistake goes to show why I can't take anything you say seriously.
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It’s open to interpretation. The strategy is sound. It works.

It is yet to be seen if Watson is a generational talent. This Michael Jordan. He has this wow factor. Granted.

BUT IF HE CANT WIN IN THE POST SEASON OR SUPERBOWL NOTHING REALLY MATTERS!

What do all those stats of Marino’s mean right now? Nothing.

Is OB the problem. Maybe. Manning, Brees, Young, Farve, Elway, and Jordan (I really hate mixing sports) didn’t win the big one until a change.

You want to talk about hypocrisy?

How about everyone believing Watson is so great and the trades for him were worth it, but can’t get over the Tunsil trade? TO HELP WATSON!

It’s two of the same freaking thing that took place that benefits the franchise QB. If you liked the trade for Watson, you should like the trade for Tunsil. It wasn’t to win now, it was to protect now.

I will say it again.

Collapsed lung. David Carr.
 
Texecutioner said:
You can't make that argument without evaluating the ramifications it has to the salary cap from signing a guy when you have no leverage in the negotiation or the consideration of building an Oline with draft picks similar to what the Cowboys did. The fact that it took O'Brien that long to get anything done and screwed up the draft situation, his judgement is all of a sudden trustworthy? And calling Watson the next David Carr/Luck situation has been the most desperate use of hyperbole I've ever seen out of Texan fans to justify a poor move by management. You're reaching for the worst case scenario possible to suggest that we had to do something that was reckless and historically the highest paid fleecing ever for an offensive lineman. In reality we had that shitty offensive line last season and won the division still and had one of the longest if not the longest winning streak in the league at one point. Watson didn't die, and he went on to improve onto this season. The Doomsday scenario wasn't anywhere near likely like you guys keep trying to sell. It was just a desperate move by OB to save his job. You know it was even if you like it any way.
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A lot of words to express an opinion not based on facts but just how you interpret things.

Watson didn’t die but could have came close with a collapsed lung. And broken ribs. He had to ride a bus because it wasn’t safe enough due to the air pressure.

Yay! We won games.

Who cares if your QB can’t stay healthy?
 
www.cbssports.com

Former Texans general manager Rick Smith open to returning to NFL in 2020

Smith left the Texans after the 2017 season but is ready to return if the opportunity is right
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Smith was well-regarded throughout the league and within the league office, and left the Texans with mega-stars like Deshaun Watson and J.J. Watt on the roster. He announced in January of 2018 that he was leaving the team indefinitely at that time, taking an absence of at least one season. He has been tending to his family for the past two years but is now open to a return to running a franchise, with certain teams and geographies perhaps making more sense than others.

Smith entered the NFL in 1996 with the Broncos as a coach -- he was a part of two Super Bowl winning teams in that capacity -- and by 2000 was their director of pro personnel. He was named the Texans general manager in 2006, becoming the youngest person in the NFL to hold the job at that time (36) and later assumed the title of executive vice president of football operations.

Smith would not be returning to the Texans in any capacity, but his affable personality and strong evaluating record should have him under consideration for several openings.
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Texecutioner said:
:spit: :spit: :spit:

He's a much worse GM than he is a coach.

Insane that you'd actually celebrate this. The Texans are no better off now than they were last season at this time. They just have less draft picks to build with and now Cal has shown that he is even dumber than Bob.
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And to me it is insane that you choose not to see what Obrien has done. Best RB in long time, poss franchise LT, solid rookie LG, maybe best backup RB in Duke.
 
TexansBull said:
A lot of words to express an opinion not based on facts but just how you interpret things.

Watson didn’t die but could have came close with a collapsed lung. And broken ribs. He had to ride a bus because it wasn’t safe enough due to the air pressure.

Yay! We won games.

Who cares if your QB can’t stay healthy?
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He did stay healthy. Your premise is to bring up the worst case disaster possible, and that's it. That isn't an objective argument, because the only point you're trying to use is a speculative one that didn't even happen last season with that poor offensive line. You trying to use sarcasm like winning games meant nothing last season, but at the same time try to use "won games" from this season to suggest that its some sort of success is a contradiction also. Not a single one of you can find a trade deal for an offensive lineman in the past that was as egregious as this one. Its way to early to even claim it was a success period. You don't even know what the rest of the season holds or who what LT could available in next off season. You're stamping an approval way to prematurely on an organizational move that was really a SB or bust move.
 
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Texecutioner said:
He did stay healthy. Your premise is to bring up the worst case disaster possible, and that's it. That isn't an objective argument, because the only point you're trying to use is a speculative one that didn't even happen last season with that poor offensive line. You trying to use sarcasm like winning games meant nothing last season, but at the same time try to use "won games" from this season to suggest that its some sort of success is a contradiction also.
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He sides with SBT lol what do you expect.
 
badboy said:
And to me it is insane that you choose not to see what Obrien has done. Best RB in long time, poss franchise LT, solid rookie LG, maybe best backup RB in Duke.
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Yeah, silly me for evaluating how dumb he's been as a HC all these years and questioning his ability to be a GM with more duties added to his plate all because he made a few knee jerk moves because him and Gaine slept through the entire off season and the draft. I mean this argument really lacked a historical perspective big time.
 
dream_team said:
I'm reading alot of hypocrisy in this thread.

When Rick traded a 1st and 2nd, alot of posters were saying "he crippled the 2018 draft". Even though it helped us get DW4, had two extra 3rds and two extra 6ths.

When BOB does something similar, it was necessary and we're still in good shape draft-wise.
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I remember writing back then that I liked the player (Watson) but I didn’t like the cost. Which is pretty much the reaction I had to the Tunsil trade (and most trades that result in a loss of draft capital). I like that trade more now, not because of Tunsil, but because of how well Stills has fit.

Edit: I’m very pleased by how the Watson trade has turned out.
 
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Texecutioner said:
Yeah, silly me for evaluating how dumb he's been as a HC all these years and questioning his ability to be a GM with more duties added to his plate all because he made a few knee jerk moves because him and Gaine slept through the entire off season and the draft. I mean this argument really lacked a historical perspective big time.
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nope, I did not say that. I've given O'Brien hard time for years. What I did say is that you focus only on the negative and what happened years ago. You are not just questioning his ability to be a general manager but you are insisting that he has not been successful at what he has done. I'm asking you to be a fair evaluator. that means not focusing on one or the other. I'm also I am also asking that you focus on this season while cautiously remembering his past.
 
disaacks3 said:
That has nothing to do with waiting until AFTER the next draft to get a new GM...unless it's Caserio. (Which is still my point)
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but of course it does matter if they were not aware that the general manager Gaines would be leaving until draft time or thereafter. You're assuming that somebody knew that he was going to be fired and waited till June 7th to do that.
 
Texecutioner said:
See yourself out the back door if you think 1st round picks are meaningless. JJ Watt and Deshaun Watson both say hello. Go look at the great salary cap deals you get for them when they hit as well, and things might make sense. When you have to use the argument of "They'll blow the first round pick any way" you're just being lazy and obtuse about it all on purpose. Everyone knows they needed better protection. We all said it for years. O'brien played a huge role in the disaster situation they were in because of it. Allowing him to continue to dig deeper and deeper into future debt to the salary cap and the diffusion of draft capital is not what a good GM does. Its what a desperate HC battling to save his "personal" job does.
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Um, no one says the Texans will blow the 1st round pick. I didn't say that. Really? Texans do ONE thing in the draft correctly....and that is draft good players in the 1st round.

Watt and Watson:
You do realize.....both of them were top 15 picks? You would have had a better argument with Hopkins, Howard, Mercilus, and Fuller. You should go back and research Picks between 20-32 in the past 10
years. How many of those are busts. You would be AMAZED at the miss rate.

The point is: Tunsil is better than any player you will draft in the 1st round in 2020 and 2021 in the picks between 20-32. Conley and Hargreaves can make up for not having a pick in 2021 (1 or 2). You needed CB and filled that need.
 
badboy said:
but of course it does matter if they were not aware that the general manager Gaines would be leaving until draft time or thereafter. You're assuming that somebody knew that he was going to be fired and waited till June 7th to do that.
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It would matter for last year's draft (if the Texans knew Gaine leaving was in the cards), yes.

I'm just assuming at this point we don't need to wait until after the 2020 draft to get a GM...unless we're waiting for Caserio. That's it. Why else would you wait that long?
 
People are trying to argue that

1) it doesn't matter we don't have many high picks

And

2) we should have no problems finding good players below round 3

Those two things can't be true unless you've done some moneyball crunching that shows low picks are somehow a lot more valuable than high picks
 
disaacks3 said:
It would matter for last year's draft (if the Texans knew Gaine leaving was in the cards), yes.

I'm just assuming at this point we don't need to wait until after the 2020 draft to get a GM...unless we're waiting for Caserio. That's it. Why else would you wait that long?
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you wait that long if you meaning Cal and O'Brien think that you already have a GM. Whether you or I like it or not does little but give us stomach issues. Lol
 
Texecutioner said:
He did stay healthy. Your premise is to bring up the worst case disaster possible, and that's it. That isn't an objective argument, because the only point you're trying to use is a speculative one that didn't even happen last season with that poor offensive line. You trying to use sarcasm like winning games meant nothing last season, but at the same time try to use "won games" from this season to suggest that its some sort of success is a contradiction also. Not a single one of you can find a trade deal for an offensive lineman in the past that was as egregious as this one. Its way to early to even claim it was a success period. You don't even know what the rest of the season holds or who what LT could available in next off season. You're stamping an approval way to prematurely on an organizational move that was really a SB or bust move.
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You are right about the sarcasm. And Watson wasn’t healthy. Collapsed lung is not healthy. Winning regular season games are worthless when your QBs is running for his life and dodging sacks.

I am not calling the trade a success. Never said that. But I am not negative on it.

Agree to disagree.
 
Uncle Rico said:
www.cbssports.com

Former Texans general manager Rick Smith open to returning to NFL in 2020

Smith left the Texans after the 2017 season but is ready to return if the opportunity is right
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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I was going to post the same article after Googling his name to see if there was any updates.

Here is another one (from 2018) to complement the one you posted:

‘I View the World Differently Now’: Rick Smith’s Football Sabbatical

He was a classic front-office grinder—passionate, ambitious and driven, Rick Smith lived football 24/7 as he dedicated himself to building the Texans into a contender. That all changed last fall when his wife was diagnosed with cancer. Stepping away for a year, Smith has found new priorities and new challenges, even as a season is set to kick off without him for the first time in decades

Full article
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TheKDog said:
O'Brien followed your plan when he drafted xsf and Nick Martin plus signed Jeff Allen.

Didn't work out to well.
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I thought RS was the GM during that period of time. Maybe I'm mistaken.

One thing's for sure is things are very different with BOB running the show instead of RS. BOB actually values having talent on his OL and hopefully realizes his mistake and fires Devlin/Replaces him with Marrone.

I hope this post doesn't p!ss off a certain mod and gets me banned again. Dont mistake me for not being in the TT section as much for not wanting to respond. Because as you know I answer everybody's alerts.
 
Mr.Scarface said:
And you would be an idiot.....for not moving up to draft Watson. Oh, I forgot...you would have moved up for Brissett! :corrosion: :bravo::lol:
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I wouldn't have moved up for WatJICson due to injury history and Ints in college.

I like Brisset but certainly wouldn't have traded up for him. I would've just picked him on the recommendation of Parcells.

This post will probably get me banned again.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Are you at his house or tapped into his email accounts. Again stop acting like you know what’s going on with that dude.

And lol at his track record.
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I know he will never be a NFL GM again.

His track record sucks. Look at his drafts between rds 2-4 throughout his tenure. Terrible.
 
dream_team said:
This contradicts your earlier statements on Watson... just a few weeks ago you claimed he would "never get it" and the Texans should move on from him.

BTW, when you have the chance to get a great QB, you do it. You don't wait or hesitate. Franchise QBs aren't available every off season.
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I still believe this, but there's no doubt WatJICson has the ability to be a great QB if he gets it. Time will tell if he's Steve Young or Moon. But he's not on par with either one of those guys right now. I just hope he's not a choker like Moon was.
 
I liked the trade up for Watson and did so at the time.

(This post will probably upset a poster who’s suffering from a martyr complex he brought on himself. Let’s all have a moment of silence for his self-imposed plight.)


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steelbtexan said:
I thought RS was the GM during that period of time. Maybe I'm mistaken.

One thing's for sure is things are very different with BOB running the show instead of RS. BOB actually values having talent on his OL and hopefully realizes his mistake and fires Devlin/Replaces him with Marrone.

I hope this post doesn't p!ss off a certain mod and gets me banned again. Dont mistake me for not being in the TT section as much for not wanting to respond. Because as you know I answer everybody's alerts.
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So then Rick followed your plan.

And supposedly obrien had no say
 
TexansBull said:
And why is it after Rick Smith and Brian Gaine we so quickly have answers at running back, corner backs, and offensive line?
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I don't blame Rick or Gaines, or BO'b for that matter. I blame Bob (bless his soul). Too much bickering going on between the two people that absolutely has to be on the same page & it was his job to make sure they were on the same page.

Look, I liked Kubiak. But as soon as McNair convinced himself he preferred Rick's vision it shouldn't take a 6 week picksixathon to make a QB change. & when Kubiak did bench Schaub & not let Tj throw the ball for over a qtr of football I'm going to have a come to Jesus meeting with my HC & realign some sht.

So he fires Kubiak, brings in O'Brien & now Rick's vision isn't good enough? Well you should have got rid of Smith. But since you didn't you should have got someone who sees the vision Rick had & wants to make it real.

Brian Gaine starts acting up? Gone. That's the way it should be. If BO'bs your man (& I'm not saying he should be, or has done anything to earn it), then you back him & do what you gotta do to make him successful.

Love Bob McNair for giving us the Texans. I just don't understand how he allowed so much animosity that high in his organization.
 
dream_team said:
BTW, when you have the chance to get a great QB, you do it. You don't wait or hesitate. Franchise QBs aren't available every off season.
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Not everyone had that conviction when he was in the draft. Two teams decided to go with another QB & a couple of QB needy teams went with a completely other position.

I honestly didn't look at QBs that year because I was convinced we were going to be one of those QB needy teams that drafts a box safety.
 
steelbtexan said:
I wouldn't have moved up for WatJICson due to injury history and Ints in college.

I like Brisset but certainly wouldn't have traded up for him. I would've just picked him on the recommendation of Parcells.

This post will probably get me banned again.
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Bill Parcells? The game passed him by YEARS ago.
 
steelbtexan said:
He found Brissett/Romo etc....

He knows a thing or 2 about QB play.
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Pretty sure it was Sean Payton who found Romo & was instrumental in getting him to Dallas.

When he got the job in Nawlins his first choice was to bring Romo, but Jerry wasn't having it. This was before Romo was Romo.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not everyone had that conviction when he was in the draft. Two teams decided to go with another QB & a couple of QB needy teams went with a completely other position.

I honestly didn't look at QBs that year because I was convinced we were going to be one of those QB needy teams that drafts a box safety.
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Luckily, Rick thought differently about Watson.
 
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