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Takeaways from the Colts game.

During the last two games, we utilized our TE’s more...today, not. Dare I say that when we spread our offense around in the three tiers of WR’s, RB’s, AND TE’s, we are much more dominating and explosive? That may be a basic observation and statement, but somebody in the game planning department obviously isn’t seeing it.
 
thunderkyss said:
How so?
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The next 4 weeks have huge implications on whether this game will haunt us.

Colts have Denver, at Pittsburgh, Miami, Jacksonville over their next 4. They could easily be 8-2 heading into our Thursday night game with them.

We’ve got the Raiders, at Baltimore and Jacksonville. IMO, we'll be 6-4 heading into that game. This one stings because now Indy might wind up with the 2 seed and the south.
 
thunderkyss said:
How so?
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The next 4 weeks have huge implications on whether this game will haunt us.

Colts have Denver, at Pittsburgh, Miami, Jacksonville over their next 4. They could easily be 8-2 heading into our Thursday night game with them.

We’ve got the Raiders, at Baltimore and Jacksonville. IMO, we'll be 6-4 heading into that game. This one stings because now Indy might wind up with the 2 seed and the south.
 
@riversmccown: Four Downs: Colts 30, Texans 23
1) R.I.P. 2017 offense
2) The safety and the numbers behind it
3) Injuries aren't an excuse
4) Watt is the entire defense. https://t.co/0rnzoO0pPC https://t.co/NajO1H0U81


Bill O’Brien, I’m sure, has a reason that he leaned so far away from what worked last week. All I can tell you right now is that nobody asked about it at his post-game presser as far as I could hear. Not much was said about it. Maybe we’ll get something on Monday.

One of O’Brien’s biggest weaknesses is his adherence to the run game while trailing. When it all looks good, and the play-action passes are hitting, his offense looks unstoppable. But when what should be part of the base offense is instead a wrinkle, and he can’t decisively win the ground game, well, nothing comes easy. You can’t have that in today’s NFL, especially with how easy things looked for Indianapolis with much less talent.
 
thunderkyss said:
Do we still have a FB?
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I only recall seeing the FB on the ill advised Hopkins pass that was intercepted. So, one of the few times a FB even gets on the field, Watson was under center and they tried a WR pass with Hopkins. The Panthers were prepared for the formation and play. When you think about it, it's no surprise it was intercepted.
 
Oh here we go with this rebuild stuff. Bwhahaha this team is not rebuilding, they have to win now. Especially after the bold moves they made in the offseason.

Bill O'Brien is who he is. A mediocre coach who still sucks at game management. His team too often comes out lethargic and uninspired.

This games just shows the Colts are the team to beat in this division. They clearly have our number.

Bill O'Brien got outcoached again.
 
Breaking news....

Paramount Studios has filed a lawsuit against the Texans for copyright infringement of the use of the likeness and damages caused to the image of one of their characters.


The claim is that the coaching of OB makes himm look far too similar to Baby Huey and that likeness is making people hate the beloved character.
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:kitten:
 
Texansballer74 said:
That is me laughing.

Dude im not arguing with anyone. And to be Frank I really don't give two F's about someone looking or thinking they're smarter.
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Whether you want to admit it or not this is yr 2 of a 3 yr rebuild. Did you not see the secondary today? Also Watson and the young OL needs to get experience this yr. This isn't a SB contender this yr, although they're much improved.
 
steelbtexan said:
Whether you want to admit it or not this is yr 2 of a 3 yr rebuild. Did you not see the secondary today? Also Watson and the young OL needs to get experience this yr. This isn't a SB contender this yr, although they're much improved.
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Crazy how the rebuild clock resets every three years for O'Brien. It's Butt Chin's sixth year as HC, yet the rebuild still has no end in sight. I wonder if he was the project manager (on the side) for the company that had the Highway 290 job?
 
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Mangler said:
Crazy how the rebuild clock resets every three years for O'Brien. It's Butt Chin's sixth year as HC, yet the rebuild still has no need in sight. I wonder if he's the project manager (on the side) for the company that had the Highway 290 job?
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I hear time slows down the closer you get to a black hole.....

So it makes sense, that though its been 6 years to us.... its only been 2 for him.......

Its the chin.
 
Some of my takeaways:
1 Colts were expected to win this game preseason
2. Colts were expected to win this game pre game
3. I thought we had slight chance to win game but expected a loss. I was correct.
4. I did not expect Joseph to look good coming off his injury. I was correct.
5. In addition to starting cornerback Roby missing the game, defensive backs Crossen, Gaines and Gibson were injured. Dunn was injured. Did we know CB was a weak area? Yes it just got weaker.
6. Backup right tackle Roderick Johnson went out injured replaced by a guy who had not played a series in regular season IIRC.
7 did I expect Fuller to play a whole game? No and he did not.
8. The season did not end today. Texans are 1/2 game out of first place.
Are we not about where most of us expected us to be play wise and win versus losses? There is much to be corrected and I am as frustrated with coaching and players as anyone else. My Hope Is that Joseph will heal some and Roby may be able to get on the field. Not saying much but a week of practice for Skipper will make him much better. Can we beat Raiders? My takeaway depends on which Texans team takes the field.
 
And here we go. The same posts, saying the same thing from the same people on both sides. Honestly it doesn’t matter who the team is, what the circumstances are, what point in the season we are or even what the Texans did last week or even last month. Every time they lose a game it’s the same old talking points. Can we at least try to get some new material or even, you know, address what actually happened in the game itself rather than just cut and pasting from the other 3 dozen posts saying the same thing?
 
Mangler said:
Crazy how the rebuild clock resets every three years for O'Brien. It's Butt Chin's sixth year as HC, yet the rebuild still has no need in sight. I wonder if he was the project manager (on the side) for the company that had the Highway 290 job?
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Nope it reset when RS left.
 
Texans 2019 Penalty stats.

Most Penalties
1. Falcons: Penalties 62
2. Cardinals: Penalties 59
3. Redskins: Penalties 58
4. Browns: Penalties 57
5. Jaguars: Penalties 57
6. Texans: Penalties 57

Texans have 475 yards in penalties this year. That is 6th most in the league.

I blame a team that is constantly undisciplined on the HC.

The Redskins have already fired Jay Gruden & I don't think Atlanta is far behind with Dan Quinn. I really don't know how safe Doug Marrone & Freddie Kitchens are either.
 
mws said:
Texans 2019 Penalty stats.

Most Penalties
1. Falcons: Penalties 62
2. Cardinals: Penalties 59
3. Redskins: Penalties 58
4. Browns: Penalties 57
5. Jaguars: Penalties 57
6. Texans: Penalties 57

Texans have 475 yards in penalties this year. That is 6th most in the league.

I blame a team that is constantly undisciplined on the HC.

The Redskins have already fired Jay Gruden & I don't think Atlanta is far behind with Dan Quinn. I really don't know how safe Doug Marrone & Freddie Kitchens are either.
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OB will get another extension. :kitten:
 
Watson still has some improving to do. Made some really poor choices in this game. Didn’t see several wide open players.

Way too many penalties. Some that were really stupid. This needs to be fixed. That’s coaching.

Don’t have the stats to back it but sure looked like RAC started dialing up the pressure in the third quarter. Even though we weren’t getting sacks we were putting brisket on his back, a lot. It seemed that it really started to effect him. I don’t understand why RAC doesn’t do that more. It’s clearly more effective than the bend don’t break defense that doesn’t stop any decent QB. For the love of god OB needs to step up and tell RAC to stop being a *****.

Color me unimpressed with kiki.

Fuller needs to go. Maybe some WR starved team will give us a decent CB for him. Kenny Stills is more than adequate in his spot
 
banned1976 said:
Well, according to some it’s all because he still doesn’t have the right QB. Who knows, maybe that’s true. Wondering what the result will be when there’s a Watson/O’Brien power struggle?
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IIRC it was Watson who saved O'Brien's arse by saying he liked to work with him. Has he changed his mind?
 
mussop said:
Watson still has some improving to do. Made some really poor choices in this game. Didn’t see several wide open players.

Way too many penalties. Some that were really stupid. This needs to be fixed. That’s coaching.

Don’t have the stats to back it but sure looked like RAC started dialing up the pressure in the third quarter. Even though we weren’t getting sacks we were putting brisket on his back, a lot. It seemed that it really started to effect him. I don’t understand why RAC doesn’t do that more. It’s clearly more effective than the bend don’t break defense that doesn’t stop any decent QB. For the love of god OB needs to step up and tell RAC to stop being a *****.

Color me unimpressed with kiki.

Fuller needs to go. Maybe some WR starved team will give us a decent CB for him. Kenny Stills is more than adequate in his spot
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The problem with blitzing is that it can also leave the secondary more vulnerable.

Unfortunately the Texans just aren't getting much pressure with a normal pass rush, they have to use blitz to get any consistent pressure. But you can't just blitz every time
 
badboy said:
Some of my takeaways:
1 Colts were expected to win this game preseason
2. Colts were expected to win this game pre game
3. I thought we had slight chance to win game but expected a loss. I was correct.
4. I did not expect Joseph to look good coming off his injury. I was correct.
5. In addition to starting cornerback Roby missing the game, defensive backs Crossen, Gaines and Gibson were injured. Dunn was injured. Did we know CB was a weak area? Yes it just got weaker.
6. Backup right tackle Roderick Johnson went out injured replaced by a guy who had not played a series in regular season IIRC.
7 did I expect Fuller to play a whole game? No and he did not.
8. The season did not end today. Texans are 1/2 game out of first place.
Are we not about where most of us expected us to be play wise and win versus losses? There is much to be corrected and I am as frustrated with coaching and players as anyone else. My Hope Is that Joseph will heal some and Roby may be able to get on the field. Not saying much but a week of practice for Skipper will make him much better. Can we beat Raiders? My takeaway depends on which Texans team takes the field.
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And the Colts came off a bye week.

And the Colts still have our number.
 
There is some kind of mental block with the Colts. We need to get over that. We had a horrible game and still had small chance at the end to force OT. It's always oone or three plays that make the difference in these games. Consistency with the O-Line is critical. RAC and the entire defensive staff need to do something to help improve the pass coverage. Even if we did find a guy or two off the street that were decent we need to re-visit the scheme. The Colts had so many guys wide open.
 
KA4Texan said:
I hear time slows down the closer you get to a black hole.....

So it makes sense, that though its been 6 years to us.... its only been 2 for him.......

Its the chin.
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Like I said above BOB's clock started running the minute RS walked out the door on Kirby.
 
TheKDog said:
They are not terrible. But without luck they aren't good either
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The colts are definitely good. 4-2 is their best start since 2014. Heck they started 1-5 last year. This colts team is much better than last year at winning close games and nor beating themselves. Besides their two questionable plays the 4th and 1 play call and the fluke fumbled snap they are starting to gel.
The texans are also a good team that should make the playoffs.
 
badboy said:
Some of my takeaways:
1 Colts were expected to win this game preseason
2. Colts were expected to win this game pre game
3. I thought we had slight chance to win game but expected a loss. I was correct.
4. I did not expect Joseph to look good coming off his injury. I was correct.
5. In addition to starting cornerback Roby missing the game, defensive backs Crossen, Gaines and Gibson were injured. Dunn was injured. Did we know CB was a weak area? Yes it just got weaker.
6. Backup right tackle Roderick Johnson went out injured replaced by a guy who had not played a series in regular season IIRC.
7 did I expect Fuller to play a whole game? No and he did not.
8. The season did not end today. Texans are 1/2 game out of first place.
Are we not about where most of us expected us to be play wise and win versus losses? There is much to be corrected and I am as frustrated with coaching and players as anyone else. My Hope Is that Joseph will heal some and Roby may be able to get on the field. Not saying much but a week of practice for Skipper will make him much better. Can we beat Raiders? My takeaway depends on which Texans team takes the field.
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Good post.

With the health of the secondary we can expect a shootout next Sunday.
 
mussop said:
Watson still has some improving to do. Made some really poor choices in this game. Didn’t see several wide open players.

Way too many penalties. Some that were really stupid. This needs to be fixed. That’s coaching.

Don’t have the stats to back it but sure looked like RAC started dialing up the pressure in the third quarter. Even though we weren’t getting sacks we were putting brisket on his back, a lot. It seemed that it really started to effect him. I don’t understand why RAC doesn’t do that more. It’s clearly more effective than the bend don’t break defense that doesn’t stop any decent QB. For the love of god OB needs to step up and tell RAC to stop being a *****.

Color me unimpressed with kiki.

Fuller needs to go. Maybe some WR starved team will give us a decent CB for him. Kenny Stills is more than adequate in his spot
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Spot On

I'm higher on KiKi than you because he's a young guy who hasn't played a full season yet.
 
mussop said:
Um NO! It’s do or die time. He traded away our next two drafts to win now. There is no rebuild. He has to win this year in the playoffs. We go out in the first round looking outclassed and he’s gone. The fans will go nuts if he’s not. And rightfully so.
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The next 2 drafts have hardly been traded away.

If the FO (I'm hoping Caserio comes on board) does their job then the loss of draft picks wont be as great as some are making it out to be. This is just a fallacy, good teams find difference makers like Reid outside of the 1st rd. Good news is that this is a deep CB and the Texans should have 4 picks in the top 100.
 
steelbtexan said:
The next 2 drafts have hardly been traded away.

If the FO (I'm hoping Caserio comes on board) does their job then the loss of draft picks wont be as great as some are making it out to be. This is just a fallacy, good teams find difference makers like Reid outside of the 1st rd. Good news is that this is a deep CB and the Texans should have 4 picks in the top 100.
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The best talent is in the early rounds. The bust rate is also much higher in the late rounds
 
TheKDog said:
The best talent is in the early rounds. The bust rate is also much higher in the late rounds
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Top 100 picks shouldn't be busts. 1 will probably be a 1st yr starter like LJo the other 3 should be great depth players who can develop into starters. Akins/Coutee, You can even find a guy like Charlie O.
 
steelbtexan said:
Top 100 picks shouldn't be busts. 1 will probably be a 1st yr starter like LJo the other 3 should be great depth players who can develop into starters. Akins/Coutee, You can even find a guy like Charlie O.
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Coutee isn't good. Ljo isn't a starter unless the starter is hurt. Akins is nothing special.

These are the guys that aren't good enough to beat the colts without luck
 
TheKDog said:
Coutee isn't good. Ljo isn't a starter unless the starter is hurt. Akins is nothing special.

These are the guys that aren't good enough to beat the colts without luck
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Give Coutee a chance, he's looked good like last yrs playoff game and he hasn't even played 16 games yet. Yes LJo makes some rookie mistakes but he's also a starting level CB. Did you see him making plays against Kelce? He had a great game against the Chiefs and a decent game yesterday. He made a play yesterday keeping contain on the 4th & 1 stop that I've seen many a vet CB screw up. His future is very bright. IMHO

Akins is developing into a Jordan Reid type TE. How many balls have you seen Akins drop. A very solid player.

The point is these are young ascending players. You expect rookies to be all pro players from the 1st snap and that doesn't happen even with most high pick 1st rders.
 
maverick512000 said:
Not according to this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe...nt-is-success-to-draft-position/#74f065007495

30% of starters are from 1st round

30% from rounds 2 and 3

26% from 4 to 7
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So the first round alone is as good as rounds 2-3 combined and 4-7 combined. Doesn't make me feel better about the next couple drafts.


Also:

-1st round draftees from that season started a higher median percentage of games (67.5%) compared to players drafted in other rounds;

And on pro bowlers:

-48.5% were first round draft picks when they entered the league;
 
steelbtexan said:
Give Coutee a chance, he's looked good like last yrs playoff game and he hasn't even played 16 games yet. Yes LJo makes some rookie mistakes but he's also a starting level CB. Did you see him making plays against Kelce? He had a great game against the Chiefs and a decent game yesterday. He made a play yesterday keeping contain on the 4th & 1 stop that I've seen many a vet CB screw up. His future is very bright. IMHO

Akins is developing into a Jordan Reid type TE. How many balls have you seen Akins drop. A very solid player.

The point is these are young ascending players. You expect rookies to be all pro players from the 1st snap and that doesn't happen even with most high pick 1st rders.
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There's no guarantee they ascend to anything special. Getting 30 yards or making a few plays is nothing special. That's why they look like they can't win the division
 
TheKDog said:
So the first round alone is as good as rounds 2-3 combined and 4-7 combined. Doesn't make me feel better about the next couple drafts.


Also:

-1st round draftees from that season started a higher median percentage of games (67.5%) compared to players drafted in other rounds;

And on pro bowlers:

-48.5% were first round draft picks when they entered the league;
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Dude of course it makes sense that first rounders become starters more because they are mostly drafted for need in the first round. If you draft a QB in the first round yeah you expect him to be a starter and most likely a starter that season unless you are lucky like the Chiefs were with Mahomes and have a good enough guy that they can sit. You are twisting it to fit your narrative like you always do.

By the way, you say 48.5% of pro bowlers are first round picks but 47% of first rounders are busts so what does that tell you.
 
Someone else mentioned it in this thread, but the Colts are nothing flashy to me. They want to control the trenches and do nothing stupid. IMO, the more talented team lost.

Some of my concerns:
- Slow start yet again. Very discouraging BOB has yet to figure this out. Has been a problem since he's got here.
- Tunsil still committing penalties. Was giving him some slack since he's on a new team, but that slack has run out.
- We were benefitting from a health standpoint, but it's now catching up with us.
- Odd timeout mgmt at the end of the game. Makes no sense to not take a timeout before the 2min warning. This constant pattern from BOB is discouraging.
 
maverick512000 said:
Dude of course it makes sense that first rounders become starters more because they are mostly drafted for need in the first round. If you draft a QB in the first round yeah you expect him to be a starter and most likely a starter that season unless you are lucky like the Chiefs were with Mahomes and have a good enough guy that they can sit. You are twisting it to fit your narrative like you always do.

By the way, you say 48.5% of pro bowlers are first round picks but 47% of first rounders are busts so what does that tell you.
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Lots of teams don't draft for need, and what's the evidence they do it more in the first round?

The bust rate is even higher past the first round.
 
TheKDog said:
Lots of teams don't draft for need, and what's the evidence they do it more in the first round?

The bust rate is even higher past the first round.
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If you don't have a 1st or 2nd round pick then you must take bpa - like a Justin Reid type for example.
If a good one falls due to injury concerns and is a potential game changer I'm good with taking a chance on him.
 
Earl34 said:
The Texans do so many things that leaves you scratching your head.
  • Instead of going two TEs, you put a scrub RT you picked up this week in a critical play where he proceeds to fail to check in with the refs.
  • Your starting RT gets hurt and that same scrub RT has to play and you run more to the right side than the left behind Tunsil and Sharping
  • The game plan seemed to revolved on jet sweep motion and you forget rollouts and moving pockets.
  • Your biggest runs and most productive plays appear to be in 21 personnel, but you continue to call shotgun plays
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I had to rewind to double check that I saw what I saw but that RT declared himself an eligible receiver not once, not twice, but 3 FREAKING TIMES! How the refs missed that I have no idea
 
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