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State of the O-line

-Can I see a qb (and ol) master a hard count? Might do wonders to slow the pass rush.

-All the empty backfield plays are fun to watch if you like passing. If you cant block dlinemen though we need at least the threat of a run play. I especially hate seeing 5 wide inside the 10 yard line.

-Speaking of 5 wide, why draft 37 million tightends if they aren't creating mismatches problems for the defense? We saw them shine for a second against the bolts. Dont stop.

-It seems to me we may have a "tick" or a "show" somewhere on film when it comes to calling play action passes. I don't know the stats on it but it looks like defenses are blitzing hard on those plays consistently. The end result has not been good.

-Special teams seem to have dropped off a bit this year. At least the return game.

-WillfullerV and Watson need to get their chemistry back. That did a lot to open up defenses. Not so much now.

-I'm ok with 1 gadget play per game ,but a throw across the field by a wr should be WAY down the list.

-Why was Watson bad Sunday? I've seen him with bad mechanics still hit wrs downfield. Is he not making it through his progressions to his 3rd target? Was Carolina just that good? If we need to trim all the misdirection and backfield action to make the passing game better then do it. I don't have the coaches video so I'm lost on this one.
 
steelbtexan said:
Because other than Hoyer I think those were RS QB picks. Plus RS was horrible in the draft.
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The only QBs Smith has been directly and solely responsible for were Osweiler and Watson. Fitzy (as O'Brien called him), Mallet, Hoyer, Savage.... all O'Brien choices.

and back to O-line; the reason Alex Gibbs worked so well is because the basis for that offense was the zone blocking running game. When that worked, so did everything else.


The Cowboys rebuilt their O-line to open holes for Elliott.
The Colts rebuilt their O-line to protect Luck.
I'll ask again,what is THIS O-line being built to do?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Spoke to 2 people who watched Watson working with the QB coach after the game............he was essentially mostly practicing long throws...............that's not what he needed to be working on after a game like Sunday's.
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I disagree. After missing three (by my count) potential TD bombs, that's exactly what he should be working on.

You say "that;s not what he needed to be working on..." then what should he have been working on after leaving 21 pts on the field??

Also, who gave him marching orders to practice long throws vs. slants or something else...?
 
ObsiWan said:
I disagree. After missing three (by my count) potential TD bombs, that's exactly what he should be working on.

You say "that;s not what he needed to be working on..." then what should he have been working on after leaving 21 pts on the field??

Also, who gave him marching orders to practice long throws vs. slants or something else...?
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We will definitely disagree. I think you need to speak to those who attended the game who saw the open receivers n the open field that were missed/not seen short and medium depth.

If you're implying O'Brien directed Watson to practice his long throws, O'Brien didn't even know that Watson was staying behind to work with his personal QB coach.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We will definitely disagree. I think you need to speak to those who attended the game who saw the open receivers n the open field that were missed/not seen short and medium depth
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Watson has to play better for sure, but I want to mention one thing in regards to your comment above and that’s sight lines. When you are in the stands or watching the all 22, it’s easy to see open receivers from that vantage point. When your behind the LOS sometimes OL/DLmen are blocking your view. In the Car game, I don’t remember many instances where DW had a clean pocket to scan the field.

Also, for those wanting Mancz to start, he was Terrible against Car. I remember 2 instances where he was basically projected into the backfield.
 
otisbean said:
Watson has to play better for sure, but I want to mention one thing in regards to your comment above and that’s sight lines. When you are in the stands or watching the all 22, it’s easy to see open receivers from that vantage point. When your behind the LOS sometimes OL/DLmen are blocking your view. In the Car game, I don’t remember many instances where DW had a clean pocket to scan the field.

Also, for those wanting Mancz to start, he was Terrible against Car. I remember 2 instances where he was basically projected into the backfield.
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There were quite a few plays that I counted out 4-5 seconds where there men open short or medium depth and the window closed by the time he would have decided to throw. One of the sacks was an arm tackle from the Mancz side which Watson could have just stepped into the pocket to avoid the sack.

As far as Mancz, he was a necessary evil substitute necessitated by the unfortunate early exit of Fulton with a back injury. I've never hidden my thoughts re. Mancz in many posts over the past years. This is from the another recent Carolina thread.

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From what I've found out, Fulton has sustained a back injury. I doubt we see him again this game. I tried to tell everyone why we didn't want to see Mancz at C when everyone was screaming for him to play there. He's got ongoing knee and ankle problems that will not get better.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
There were quite a few plays that I counted out 4-5 seconds where there men open short or medium depth and the window closed by the time he would have decided to throw. One of the sacks was an arm tackle from the Mancz side which Watson could have just stepped into the pocket to avoid the sack.

As far as Mancz, he was a necessary evil substitute necessitated by the unfortunate early exit of Fulton with a back injury. I've never hidden my thoughts re. Mancz in many posts over the past years. This is from the another recent Carolina thread.
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I often find myself yelling at him to throw the ball so I definitely hear you. I just know having played QB some myself, guys come back to huddle telling me they’re open but I couldn’t see them from the pocket because other players obstructed my view.
 
otisbean said:
I often find myself yelling at him to throw the ball so I definitely hear you. I just know having played QB some myself, guys come back to huddle telling me they’re open but I couldn’t see them from the pocket because other players obstructed my view.
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I feel that poor presnap reads have alot to do with inability to anticipate where his and their people are supposed to be, and his hesitation in throwing with anticipation is a confidence issue. He does not tend to throw a receiver open (anticipation throw).
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I feel that poor presnap reads have alot to do with inability to anticipate where his and their people are supposed to be, and his hesitation in throwing with anticipation is a confidence issue. He does not tend to throw a receiver open (anticipation throw).
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In my opinion, we drafted some supreme college level QB talent in Watson. However our coaching staff has failed miserably in developing him into supreme NFL QB talent. QB's continue to grow....however ours, as good as he is, seem's to be spinning his wheels. Watson needs to be put in better hands before we risk ruining him.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I feel that poor presnap reads have alot to do with inability to anticipate where his and their people are supposed to be, and his hesitation in throwing with anticipation is a confidence issue. He does not tend to throw a receiver open (anticipation throw).
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I agree..I think a lot of it too is him being gunshy about throwing ints b/c it was a problem early last year.
 
ObsiWan said:
The only QBs Smith has been directly and solely responsible for were Osweiler and Watson. Fitzy (as O'Brien called him), Mallet, Hoyer, Savage.... all O'Brien choices.

and back to O-line; the reason Alex Gibbs worked so well is because the basis for that offense was the zone blocking running game. When that worked, so did everything else.


The Cowboys rebuilt their O-line to open holes for Elliott.
The Colts rebuilt their O-line to protect Luck.
I'll ask again,what is THIS O-line being built to do?
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Disagree about Mallett, if BOB really wanted Mallett he would have asked RS to trade for Mallett before TC started. Maybe he did and RS wasn't willing to give up a 3rd for him. So RS waited until the price dropped and traded for Mallett. Of course this meant Mallett wasn't ready for regular season. Brilliance

Gaine/BOB were/are attempting to do what the Colts did last yr. (Rebuild the OL in 1 yr.) The Colts OL didn't look good until after week 6 last yr.

Of course the Colts had Luck who is great at reading defenses and getting rid of the ball accurately vs the confused/inaccurate Watson that we saw last Sunday.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If you're implying O'Brien directed Watson to practice his long throws, O'Brien didn't even know that Watson was staying behind to work with his personal QB coach.
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It would be against the CBA for O'Brian to be involved with Watson practicing after hours. That's why he used his personal coach instead of Carl Smith.

So of course O'Brian is going to claim ignorance whether he was involved or not.
 
zshawn10 said:
Deshaun Watson was sacked 6 times last week, 4 of which were on him. Common theme watching him is how long he holds onto the ball. This OL has been playing better than some may think these last couple of weeks. pic.twitter.com/jAQMzJQbRR

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) October 1, 2019
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I keep hearing this as a theme. Even BOB said only one sack was on the OL. I re-watched all 6 sacks on the All-22 and I don't see how you can't at least give partial blame on each sack to the OL?

Sack #1. It was only a 4 man rush. Mancz got beat rather quickly and his man got the sack. I put the blame solely on Mancz.

2. It was 3rd & 19, so hard to blame DW4 for holding onto the ball a bit long. The right side did a poor job picking up a stunt. I split up blame between DW & right-side of OL. At the same time, hard to put blame on DW, as he had to wait for routes to develop down-field since it was 3rd & 19.

3. Only a 4 man rush and the coverage was pretty good. I consider this a coverage sack, no good options to go with the ball.

4. 5 rushers vs 7 blockers (TE & RB stayed to protect). It was a play-action. He did have an open check-down, but it looked like DW was waiting on Hop to come open. It looks like he knew Hop was going to break back to the outside, while the safety jumped on Fuller, Nuk was eventually wide open. Akins got bull-rushed hard, while it looks like Tytus got hurt and simply let his man go by. Partial blame to OL and DW.

5. 4 man rush. The pocket collapses and there's good coverage. You can argue a couple of guys came open quick, but they would have been tight throws.

6. Safety blitz, whom went untouched to the QB. Fells could have easily blocked him, but opted to go out on a route? Stunt up the middle that Martin or Max failed to pick-up, which flushes DW from pocket. Fells was wide open on the right. You can place the blame on multiple people here:
- Fells, was he supposed to pick up the safety blitz?
- DW, was he supposed to read the safety blitz and knew Fells would be wide open immediately?
- Martin and/or Max failed to pick up the stunt up the middle.

I have two really big concerns here, in regards to the protection.
- For all 6 sacks, we had more blockers than rushers. TBH, I believe this was the main problem the whole game. They were able to generate pressure w/o having to blitz.
- OL still has problems with picking up stunts

When there's no blitz, how much trust should DW put on the protection in regards to "holding onto the ball too long"? If the other team is rushing only 4, and he does have a check-down wide open, should he really immediately go to his check-down? Or should he trust the protection and wait another second or two for something to develop down field?
 
steelbtexan said:
Of course the Colts had Luck who is great at reading defenses and getting rid of the ball accurately vs the confused/inaccurate Watson that we saw last Sunday.
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Yes he was very confused/inaccurate and it's days like this past Sunday in NRG which make me question if Watson is really the ONE ?
 
dream_team said:
When there's no blitz, how much trust should DW put on the protection in regards to "holding onto the ball too long"? If the other team is rushing only 4, and he does have a check-down wide open, should he really immediately go to his check-down? Or should he trust the protection and wait another second or two for something to develop down field?
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Depends on where the pressure is coming from & whether or not he can move. Guys with great pocket presence know how to just slide a little here or there to get just enough time & room for them to get the ball off. Too often what you see with DW4 is he's looking to flat out get out of the pocket. A good portion of the time he needs to do that, but alot of times he doesn't he just needs to quickly slide somewhere & hold. Teams playing him now understand this & are rushing him with the intent of keeping him in the pocket. The look I've seen over and over again on 3rd and long is that semi wide 9 look where it looks like there will be room for him to step up in the pocket presnap b/c Martin has noone lined up over him. but after the snap, 2 of the DL twist & rush him from the inside. If he looks to escape early, they have guys way out on the edges to run him down. If he looks late & tries to escape from say the inside, there's no room to step up into the pocket with the twist inside. Sometimes its not a twist its a LB on a delayed blitz from the inside. Either way, they don't want him getting out of the pocket.

That's part of playing the position though. You have to trust those guys up front. When you don't, its evident b/c you start watching the rush, bailing out of the pocket prematurely & you get happy feet. DW4 says he trusts them, but b/c he's doing 2 out of the 3 above i named, that says otherwise. Sometimes getting the ball out quickly to your guys in space is the right play, sometimes its not, b/c that's what the defense wants you to do.

As for the other stuff, Its all based on when the ball should be out & it doesn't necessarily need to be a completion for that to happen. All but 1 of those he had adequate time to get it out...
 
Mr teX said:
Depends on where the pressure is coming from & whether or not he can move. Guys with great pocket presence know how to just slide a little here or there to get just enough time & room for them to get the ball off. Too often what you see with DW4 is he's looking to flat out get out of the pocket. A good portion of the time he needs to do that, but alot of times he doesn't he just needs to quickly slide somewhere & hold. Teams playing him now understand this & are rushing him with the intent of keeping him in the pocket. The look I've seen over and over again on 3rd and long is that semi wide 9 look where it looks like there will be room for him to step up in the pocket presnap b/c Martin has noone lined up over him. but after the snap, 2 of the DL twist & rush him from the inside. If he looks to escape early, they have guys way out on the edges to run him down. If he looks late & tries to escape from say the inside, there's no room to step up into the pocket with the twist inside. Sometimes its not a twist its a LB on a delayed blitz from the inside. Either way, they don't want him getting out of the pocket.

That's part of playing the position though. You have to trust those guys up front. When you don't, its evident b/c you start watching the rush, bailing out of the pocket prematurely & you get happy feet. DW4 says he trusts them, but b/c he's doing 2 out of the 3 above i named, that says otherwise. Sometimes getting the ball out quickly to your guys in space is the right play, sometimes its not, b/c that's what the defense wants you to do.

As for the other stuff, Its all based on when the ball should be out & it doesn't necessarily need to be a completion for that to happen. All but 1 of those he had adequate time to get it out...
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That's easy to say hindsight. But like I said, for all but one of these sacks, there's no blitz... only a 4 man rush. In these situations, don't we want the QB to trust his protection and not to rush his throw?
 
Mr teX said:
Depends on where the pressure is coming from & whether or not he can move. Guys with great pocket presence know how to just slide a little here or there to get just enough time & room for them to get the ball off. Too often what you see with DW4 is he's looking to flat out get out of the pocket. A good portion of the time he needs to do that, but alot of times he doesn't he just needs to quickly slide somewhere & hold. Teams playing him now understand this & are rushing him with the intent of keeping him in the pocket. The look I've seen over and over again on 3rd and long is that semi wide 9 look where it looks like there will be room for him to step up in the pocket presnap b/c Martin has noone lined up over him. but after the snap, 2 of the DL twist & rush him from the inside. If he looks to escape early, they have guys way out on the edges to run him down. If he looks late & tries to escape from say the inside, there's no room to step up into the pocket with the twist inside. Sometimes its not a twist its a LB on a delayed blitz from the inside. Either way, they don't want him getting out of the pocket.

That's part of playing the position though. You have to trust those guys up front. When you don't, its evident b/c you start watching the rush, bailing out of the pocket prematurely & you get happy feet. DW4 says he trusts them, but b/c he's doing 2 out of the 3 above i named, that says otherwise. Sometimes getting the ball out quickly to your guys in space is the right play, sometimes its not, b/c that's what the defense wants you to do.

As for the other stuff, Its all based on when the ball should be out & it doesn't necessarily need to be a completion for that to happen. All but 1 of those he had adequate time to get it out...
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Great tutorial

Very easy to see, DC's have adjusted to Watson's game. Until he learns to step up into the pocket and deliver and accurate throws on time, there will be more games like Sunday's. Of course if Watson makes accurate throws on the 3 long passes he missed on Sunday the Texans win and we aren't having this discussion. Although the issues you described are still there for all to see if they are interested in seeing/learning them.
 
dream_team said:
That's easy to say hindsight. But like I said, for all but one of these sacks, there's no blitz... only a 4 man rush. In these situations, don't we want the QB to trust his protection and not to rush his throw?
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I know 1 sack on Tunsil Watson held the ball so long that the DE still got a sack even after Tunsil ran his guy 5 yds past Watson.

Another Sack/Fumble was caused by Watson failing to read a blitz by Reid coming from the right. Watson looked to the left and got sacked. Had he recognized the blitz he would've gone to his hot read on the right in the area Reid vacated. There were actually 2 receivers open on this play. That was a big play that was missed because there was 3 guys on that side of the field and only 1 defender.

I was at the game and forgot to tape it so I am only going by what I saw with my own eyes and cant speak to the other sacks.
 
steelbtexan said:
Great tutorial

Very easy to see, DC's have adjusted to Watson's game. Until he learns to step up into the pocket and deliver and accurate throws on time, there will be more games like Sunday's. Of course if Watson makes accurate throws on the 3 long passes he missed on Sunday the Texans win and we aren't having this discussion. Although the issues you described are still there for all to see if they are interested in seeing/learning them.
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Mr Tex said:

The look I've seen over and over again on 3rd and long is that semi wide 9 look where it looks like there will be room for him to step up in the pocket presnap b/c Martin has noone lined up over him. but after the snap, 2 of the DL twist & rush him from the inside. If he looks to escape early, they have guys way out on the edges to run him down. If he looks late & tries to escape from say the inside, there's no room to step up into the pocket with the twist inside.
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Tex is saying the defense is taking this away.
 
dream_team said:
I keep hearing this as a theme. Even BOB said only one sack was on the OL. I re-watched all 6 sacks on the All-22 and I don't see how you can't at least give partial blame on each sack to the OL?

Sack #1. It was only a 4 man rush. Mancz got beat rather quickly and his man got the sack. I put the blame solely on Mancz.

2. It was 3rd & 19, so hard to blame DW4 for holding onto the ball a bit long. The right side did a poor job picking up a stunt. I split up blame between DW & right-side of OL. At the same time, hard to put blame on DW, as he had to wait for routes to develop down-field since it was 3rd & 19.

3. Only a 4 man rush and the coverage was pretty good. I consider this a coverage sack, no good options to go with the ball.

4. 5 rushers vs 7 blockers (TE & RB stayed to protect). It was a play-action. He did have an open check-down, but it looked like DW was waiting on Hop to come open. It looks like he knew Hop was going to break back to the outside, while the safety jumped on Fuller, Nuk was eventually wide open. Akins got bull-rushed hard, while it looks like Tytus got hurt and simply let his man go by. Partial blame to OL and DW.

5. 4 man rush. The pocket collapses and there's good coverage. You can argue a couple of guys came open quick, but they would have been tight throws.

6. Safety blitz, whom went untouched to the QB. Fells could have easily blocked him, but opted to go out on a route? Stunt up the middle that Martin or Max failed to pick-up, which flushes DW from pocket. Fells was wide open on the right. You can place the blame on multiple people here:
- Fells, was he supposed to pick up the safety blitz?
- DW, was he supposed to read the safety blitz and knew Fells would be wide open immediately?
- Martin and/or Max failed to pick up the stunt up the middle.

I have two really big concerns here, in regards to the protection.
- For all 6 sacks, we had more blockers than rushers. TBH, I believe this was the main problem the whole game. They were able to generate pressure w/o having to blitz.
- OL still has problems with picking up stunts

When there's no blitz, how much trust should DW put on the protection in regards to "holding onto the ball too long"? If the other team is rushing only 4, and he does have a check-down wide open, should he really immediately go to his check-down? Or should he trust the protection and wait another second or two for something to develop down field?
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Good write-up.sounds like this scheme just isn't getting anyone open. On top of that the solution the blitz is a crappy dump off.
 
steelbtexan said:
I know 1 sack on Tunsil Watson held the ball so long that the DE still got a sack even after Tunsil ran his guy 5 yds past Watson.
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Yah. Looks like he wanted to throw the quick-out to Fuller. He pumped that way, but held back when he saw the corner was in position to make a play on the ball. Maybe he still should've made the throw? He then saw Hyde running a crossing route and was coming open, so DW rolled right to get an open passing lane, which is when he got caught from behind.

Another Sack/Fumble was caused by Watson failing to read a blitz by Reid coming from the right. Watson looked to the left and got sacked. Had he recognized the blitz he would've gone to his hot read on the right in the area Reid vacated. There were actually 2 receivers open on this play. That was a big play that was missed because there was 3 guys on that side of the field and only 1 defender.
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How do you know Fells wasn't supposed to pick up that blitz? Fells opted to run his route, but maybe Watson was expecting Fells to p/u the blitzer? Also, the first pressure to actually get to Watson on this play was the rusher up the middle, where Martin or Max failed to pick up the stunt.
 
dream_team said:
Yah. Looks like he wanted to throw the quick-out to Fuller. He pumped that way, but held back when he saw the corner was in position to make a play on the ball. Maybe he still should've made the throw? He then saw Hyde running a crossing route and was coming open, so DW rolled right to get an open passing lane, which is when he got caught from behind.



How do you know Fells wasn't supposed to pick up that blitz? Fells opted to run his route, but maybe Watson was expecting Fells to p/u the blitzer? Also, the first pressure to actually get to Watson on this play was the rusher up the middle, where Martin or Max failed to pick up the stunt.
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Even if Fells was supposed to chip and go out on his route and didn't, if Watson had known where the blitz was coming from he had a play to make in the vacated area. But Watson didn't look to his right at all, he looked to his left. This tells me he didn't recognize where the blitz was coming from if he recognized at all.
 
steelbtexan said:
Even if Fells was supposed to chip and go out on his route and didn't, if Watson had known where the blitz was coming from he had a play to make in the vacated area. But Watson didn't look to his right at all, he looked to his left. This tells me he didn't recognize where the blitz was coming from if he recognized at all.
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Posted pics of this in the Watson thread, he definitely looked to his right, he had to have seen the blitzer. Nothing else to add.
 
steelbtexan said:
He's supposed to throw to the spot the blitzer vacated. Are you just trolling, or do you not understand the concepts on how to beat blitzes?
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No receiver went to that spot. One went to the flat behind the line of scrimmage and the other ran at kuechly.

That's probably why Watson looks to Hopkins who is kinda good if you didn't realize.

We also shouldn't let the defense dictate where we go. That's bad offense
 
steelbtexan said:
Even if Fells was supposed to chip and go out on his route and didn't, if Watson had known where the blitz was coming from he had a play to make in the vacated area. But Watson didn't look to his right at all, he looked to his left. This tells me he didn't recognize where the blitz was coming from if he recognized at all.
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FuzzyLogic said:
Posted pics of this in the Watson thread, he definitely looked to his right, he had to have seen the blitzer. Nothing else to add.
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steelbtexan said:
I didn't see this.

That makes it even worse hen.
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I re-watched the play, he definitely looked right after the snap and should have seen the free blitzer.

Even with the free blitzer, though, the actual pressure that got to him first was #92. Looks like Martin is actually getting held here.

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TheKDog said:
No receiver went to that spot. One went to the flat behind the line of scrimmage and the other ran at kuechly.

That's probably why Watson looks to Hopkins who is kinda good if you didn't realize.

We also shouldn't let the defense dictate where we go. That's bad offense
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Wrong
 
TheKDog said:
No receiver went to that spot. One went to the flat behind the line of scrimmage and the other ran at kuechly.

That's probably why Watson looks to Hopkins who is kinda good if you didn't realize.

We also shouldn't let the defense dictate where we go. That's bad offense
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I don't say this often, but I agree with Steel here. It looks like Watson does recognize the free blitzer (Reid), at this point he should have flipped the ball to Fells that's running the flat.

Maybe he was expecting Nuk to be his hot route and break his route in immediately? But Nuk does not.

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Speedy said:
I read it 4th most time to throw.
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Time to throw is meant to measure how quickly a QB can get rid of the ball ala Brady, Luck, Peyton Manning (that's why, despite not having great Olines, these QBs were always so hard to sack). You don't want your QB who is essentially the most pressured QB in the League to have one of the slowest times to throw, i.e., to get rid of the ball.
 
dream_team said:
I re-watched the play, he definitely looked right after the snap and should have seen the free blitzer.

Even with the free blitzer, though, the actual pressure that got to him first was #92. Looks like Martin is actually getting held here.

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It doesn't look like he's looking to his right to me. Had he been he should have thrown the ball there.

I could be wrong but it looks like he's looking at the rusher (92) which is why he missed the open receiver. Looking at the rush is one of the worst habits a QB can develop.
 
dream_team said:
I re-watched the play, he definitely looked right after the snap and should have seen the free blitzer.

Even with the free blitzer, though, the actual pressure that got to him first was #92. Looks like Martin is actually getting held here.

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It doesn't look like he's looking to his right to me. Had he been he should have thrown the ball there.

I could be wrong but it looks like he's looking at the rusher (92) which is why he missed the open receiver. Looking at the rush is one of the worst habits a QB can develop.
 
steelbtexan said:
It doesn't look like he's looking to his right to me. Had he been he should have thrown the ball there.

I could be wrong but it looks like he's looking at the rusher (92) which is why he missed the open receiver. Looking at the rush is one of the worst habits a QB can develop.
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Same play - pic from the Watson thread - slightly earlier

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dream_team said:
I don't say this often, but I agree with Steel here. It looks like Watson does recognize the free blitzer (Reid), at this point he should have flipped the ball to Fells that's running the flat.

Maybe he was expecting Nuk to be his hot route and break his route in immediately? But Nuk does not.

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And like I mentioned in the other thread, that's not vacating where the Blitzer was. The Blitzer wasn't coming from the flat and from that angle Watson has an awkward pass over the defender. Fells should be going over the middle.

But thats been an issue in OBriens scheme, nothing over the middle develops
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Time to throw is meant to measure how quickly a QB can get rid of the ball ala Brady, Luck, Peyton Manning (that's why, despite not having great Olines, these QBs were always so hard to sack). You don't want your QB who is essentially the most pressured QB in the League to have one of the slowest times to throw, i.e., to get rid of the ball.
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So that's more a QB stat or OL stat? Either way, that stat alone doesn't really tell you much. Does he hold on to it the 4th most, or does he have the 4th most time to throw?
 
TheKDog said:
And like I mentioned in the other thread, that's not vacating where the Blitzer was. The Blitzer wasn't coming from the flat and from that angle Watson has an awkward pass over the defender. Fells should be going over the middle.

But thats been an issue in OBriens scheme, nothing over the middle develops
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There were actually 2 guys open including 1 that was wide open on the right hand side. There was nothing wrong with the scheme. Thanks to FL pic I can see how Watson missed Reid because he was partially hidden behind the DE. But Watson still should know where the S are and get rid of the ball.

Thanks for the pic Fuzzy
 
steelbtexan said:
There were actually 2 guys open including 1 that was wide open on the right hand side. There was nothing wrong with the scheme. Thanks to FL pic I can see how Watson missed Reid because he was partially hidden behind the DE. But Watson still should know where the S are and get rid of the ball.

Thanks for the pic Fuzzy
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No there was not a second guy open. Carolina was giving the Texans the flat all day because it's a garbage play
 
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