stingray
Hall of Fame
Thank you... Everybody and their mother in love with Tunsil but we gave up a kings ransom for him. HE BETTER GIVE UP 4 SACKS OR LESS ON AVERAGE PER YEAR FOR HIM TO BE WORTH IT.
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Honestly the stats should be 4 pressures given up and zero - 1 sack allowed for true all pro consideration. My biggest concern is his unbalanced play in the run game. Very average in that aspect. Everyone expects him to get better so we’ll see.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
So let me ask this question. If draft picks have such great value why have the Browns sucked for decades now when they almost always have had, usually multiple, top 10 draft picks while the Pats have dominated and I can't remember the last time they drafted before 25? Draft picks are only as valuable as the player you get for them or with them. Love how everyone has complained about how crappy our picks have been but then complain when we trade away those picks. Its like "We know that the pick is going to suck but we still want you to save it so we can watch it be used."
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
It's the excitement of the draft - a draft pick is like Christmas morning as a kid for some people, myself included, while I'm not a 'draftnik' I do love the draft and it's disappointing if you (your team) isn't a player. So there is that aspect that you are missing out on something. But I'm still OK with using a draft pick for a still young, room to grow, but already established in the league player I'll really worry when we start trading 1st round picks on older/declining players.
Only other difference I can see is the cost standpoint - if your top 5 players on the team are all veterans on big contracts your roster has less flexibility but if 2 of the five are on rookie deals you have extra cap etc..
Only other difference I can see is the cost standpoint - if your top 5 players on the team are all veterans on big contracts your roster has less flexibility but if 2 of the five are on rookie deals you have extra cap etc..
There's a difference between trying and doing.
Trying means you didn't accomplish your goals. (Previous regimes)
Doing is accomplishing your goals (New down on Kirby)
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Bingo, and that is my entire point. People over value draft picks because it makes draft day itself less fun. Hey I get it, if your team suck especially then its about all you have to look forward to and I promise NE fans aren't upset anytime BB trades away a pick. That doesn't mean that we should have unrealistic expectations for players or even write them off entirely just because the pick count was high. Cost wise I agree entirely that just trading away and not having at least several players on rookie contracts can put you in cap hell faster than anything. That's where its up to the bean counters to do their jobs. Will they, I don't know but we'll see.
I bet they find a couple of guys that can play in next yrs draft. It's not like they dont have picks, they just dont have their 1st rd pick. But they can move up into the 1st rd if they want too. They have the ammo.
Texansballer74
The Marine
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Based off just three games I'm guessing they draft heavy D next year which for the most part you can find some studs in the 3rd to 5th rounds except for maybe CB which is our biggest need on D. They may want to see about finding one more guy for the Oline and maybe a RB but other wise the offense, on paper, looks pretty stout. I would say they should be looking for a center but seeing as we just gave Martin a big contract, still no idea what that was about, I'm guessing not. WR wise I'm thinking they go Fuller, Stills and Hopkins for WRs, again basing it just off the first three games, which gives you two deep threats that defenses can't ignore and then Hopkins who maybe the best in the league at beating guys 1v1.
Yeah if that all pans out then whoever the HC is, whether its BoB or a new guy, is going to have a pretty nice set up even without those two 1sts. The cap maybe a problem but they might can also structure it in such a way that the big money hits don't fall in the same year. For all the talk from guys like Clowney and badger Texans have done a good job of taking care of the players they feel are vital like Hopkins and Watt so I'm actually not worried about them or Watson and Tunsil walking. Fuller they may have some tough questions for and I think he's playing for his life as a Texan this season.
Brilliant response.
What wasn't true about my post?
Putting it another way. 2nd place is the 1st place loser. I'm glad that's in the past.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Texansballer74
The Marine
You can not use that skit like that in this type of capacity. The skit just doesn't work out like that all the time in the real world/NFL world. Reason being you have to have a willing partner. The Dolphins were WILLING to deal with us because they knew we were desperate period. Both Brown and Solder were not on the trading block. So they had leverage over every team. Tunsil not so much but in the grand scheme of things, he will next season.
Therefore, our hasty decisions on this might come back to bite us in ash. Because there is a great chance we will be looking for LT next season as well. Yes it's a chance we will work out a deal to keep him. But you can best believe several teams will be in the sweepstakes.
But to my point we've always tried. Sometimes we got what we wanted and sometimes we haven't.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And I rather has well thought out calculated moves over desperate hasty moves any day.
Don't worry they will get Tunsil signed long term.
They could have paid Brown and chose not too. Finally they are doing what it takes to provide protection and weapons for Watson. Frankly it's about time.
Tell me how have you liked the 12 yrs of calculated moves?
This wasn't about desperation this was about getting the best players possible for the team. About time.
Watson has been hit 23 times, 5th most in the league
The OL is getting better, it takes time to gain continuity.
Hopefully Tunsil will be the answer. I'd rather give up the picks and contract for him than the picks and contract for Trent Williams. I'm not convinced that Tunsil can become better than the player Williams is, but if he can, draft capital well spent.
A king's ransom?
What did we give up for Tunsil?
What did we give up for Stills?
What did we give up for the Dolphins 2020 4th round pick?
What did we give up for the Dolphins 2021 6th round pick?
I understand we gave a hella nice package to the Dolphins. But we got some good as well.
With the way the Dolphins are playing, I can almost guarantee that 2020 4th will be the first pick of that round. In effect its more like a late 3rd
Which more than offsets any comp pick they would have received for Clowney
cameronkrazie86
Rookie
My only complaint with the Tunsil trade is that they didn't extend him immediately. Yes, it was an overpay and really a huge one at that. That said, he's been as great as advertised. It's so nice knowing we have someone competent at LT which hasn't been the case since Brown got traded. Get the other four positions on the line up to league average and you've got a competent line to protect the best QB the franchise has ever had.
They will get Tunsil re-signed.
True about the rest of the OL. If the Chargers game is any indication then the OL is improving and should be where you want them to be in another 3-4 weeks.
The Chargers have a really good front 7.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Is it an assumption that Tunsil was open to an extension at the time of the trade? Perhaps he wants to see how the team performs and then negotiate an extension. Perhaps he wants to test free agency and the Texans feel confident that they can retain his services. It's fun to ponder the unknown but I want to just experience this season having a good left tackle.
I wouldn't like it if Tunsil said he didn't want to negotiate an extension
Texansballer74
The Marine
Again nobody on here know that. What we do know is they will offer him an extension. Will he take it is the million dollar question
badboy
Hall of Fame
Me either. Sorry it took so long for my response as I was on the phone. Laremy Tunsil called me to get my opinion on whether he should negotiate a new contract .
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If I were calling the shots.....Tunsil deal would already be done.
If the Texans think they can wait until the end of the season and then compete with other teams for Tunsil's services, I'd have to say they'll pay dearly.
If the Texans fail to lock Tunsil up to a long-term deal......they'll be the laughing stock of the NFL after coughing up 2- RD1 picks and a RD2 pick for a 1 season rental. What could possibly add loads of salt and whiskey to the open wound of Tunsil finding a new team? Not making the playoffs or getting booted in their first playoff game while he was here.
Should pink slips be flying if this were to happen?
If the Texans think they can wait until the end of the season and then compete with other teams for Tunsil's services, I'd have to say they'll pay dearly.
If the Texans fail to lock Tunsil up to a long-term deal......they'll be the laughing stock of the NFL after coughing up 2- RD1 picks and a RD2 pick for a 1 season rental. What could possibly add loads of salt and whiskey to the open wound of Tunsil finding a new team? Not making the playoffs or getting booted in their first playoff game while he was here.
Should pink slips be flying if this were to happen?
Tunsil can’t hit FA until 2021, I’m sure they sign him after the season and I’m equally sure he’ll be the highest paid T in the league. High price to pay for sure but given the lack of quality OTs in the league right now I’m ok with it. Anything to keep DW4 upright on the field making plays
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
And if you were calling the shots what would you do if Tunsil said “Offer looks nice but I’d rather wait till closer to when my contract is up and see what the market and the going rate on tackles is so I’m not going to sign yet.”
Why is it everyone that talks about Texans should sign this person or trade for that person or hell even sign their own players to new contracts forget that it’s not just the Texans decision. You can offer a guy anything in the world but if he doesn’t want to sign then you can’t force him. Hell if he doesn’t care about losing the money you can’t even make him play, just look at Bell and now Williams.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He can hold out. Something that has become a trend in the NFL.
Is Trent Williams playing right now? Umm no dude is still holding out. Different reasons but you get my drift.
That man has all the leverage. Tunsil that is.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
While that is true it’s important to understand the different reason on that. With Williams it’s personal and even with Bell it got pretty personal. Tunsil, even if he wanted to go somewhere else, would have no reason to hold out unless things turn bad between him and the Texans.
Players only have all the leverage as long as the player is willing to lose literally millions of dollars. Bell lost 18 million and ended up signing a deal that reports say wasn’t even as good as what Steelers offered. Williams is being fined and could lose his whole season. Most players aren’t willing to walk away from that kind of money because they know they are one injury away from being done.
Texansballer74
The Marine
When I say leverage, I'm talking about the bidding war that will take place during that time. Quite of few teams will want Tunsil. Just like quite a few want Brown and Solders. The Raiders won the Brown sweepstakes by making him the highest paid LT in NFL history. The Texans put in their bids for both of those players and struck out. So will they be able to counter any of these other teams offers and still be able to extend Watson. Something they will have to do because that's the trend these days. And as we can see certain teams are not waiting until their franchise quarterbacks rookie contract is up. They're signing them with 1 or 2 season left on that rookie contract.
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Then you wait
Bell/Williams situations are very rare with players coming off of their rookie contracts. Usually holdouts come from guys that are near the end of their 2nd contracts.
The Texans didn't offer Brown the most $$$$ so he signed elsewhere. If the Texans offer Tunsil the most $$$$ he will stay with the Texans. Look at the top contracts and add 10%, that's what Tunsil wants and will get. Yes, they will still have to re-sign Watson and they will. If they have to let a guy like Fulton go to create more cap space in a couple of yrs to get this done they will.
Yes pink slips should fly in that scenario.
It would be a two year rental though
Texansballer74
The Marine
Brown said the Texans made a great offer but the Raiders was better. No I don't have a link but I do have a memory.
Going back to the we don't know card is weak. Brown went for the cash.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Which means the Raiders won the sweepstakes like I stated above.
You don't know what the offer was. It could've been extremely close. So how the bleep is that weak.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
The Texans didn’t win the bidding war for Brown because Brown wasn’t worth winning it for. He was a middle of the pack guy at best and that was playing in front of a QB that makes even bad lines look good and an Oline coach that is as far from Devlin as Michael Jordan is from a peewee basketball player.
Same with Solder, looks like the Texans finally learned that NE players just don’t play the same outside NE and often aren’t worth the money they demand.
Tunsil was a good to great player on a bottom of the barrel team, all signs point to him being worth the money to lock up long term especially once he and Watson really start to gel. There is also the fact that after two years he will have built a bit of a life down here and there’s that whole no state income tax thing.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Brown said in one interview that he got three offers and that the Raiders one was a no brainer. Couldn’t find that link but did find the one where he talked about when his agent told him about the deal:
The deal came together nine minutes after the early free agency negotiating period opened Monday. Brown explained how it all went down.
"[Agent] Drew [Rosenhaus] just called me and was like, ‘Bro, we got an irrefusable offer, and it’s going to make you the highest-paid offensive lineman in NFL history. You have a great opportunity to go and play with a great coach, a great coaching staff, great organization with a lot of history. Then, in a year, you’ll be a part of the first team to ever play in Vegas.’ I couldn’t turn that offer down,”
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/r...efuse-raiders-contract-offer-i-shed-few-tears
Doesn’t sound like it was close to me. That being said I was against Brown getting that kind of deal and I’m very happy it wasn’t the Texans that did it.
I know what was reported at the time and if the Texans make Tunsil the highest paid LT he will still be a Texan. Just like if the Texans would've made the best offer Brown would most likely be a Texan. I'm just hoping the days of the Texans being the 1st place loser is over.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That was not the reason why we didn't win the Browns sweepstakes. Bwhahaha but good try. And how did I know Steel would like this comment. It's like people have to disagree just to disagree.
The main point is most players will go to the highest bidder. Bouye and Badger did just that. And for anyone to think otherwise has no idea. Speaking mainly to Steel because he acts like he knows Tunsil will sign his extension here in Houston. Now don't get me wrong, he could very well sign here long time. And that would be great.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Well what was the dollar amount Steel? And go find the link. It was never stated but that's besides the point. We struck out periop and it will not be the last time. It happens
Texansballer74
The Marine
Maverick I know exactly what Brown stated. So I don't know why you two keep bringing that up. You do know I am a avid follower just like you two.
Speaking of disagreeing just to disagree.
Laremy Tunsil is under contract till after the 2020 season. So unlike Badger & Bouye, there won't be other suitors after the 2019 season. He either negotiates a deal with a highly motivated Texans team or he doesn't. He either plays 2020 under his current contract, an extended contract, or he holds out & lose money. A lot of money.
Then after the 2020 season we have the option to tag him & while that didn't work out with Dunta or Clowney maybe we'll get someone who knows how to use the tag by then. Not worth worrying about now.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Get Tunsil done in-season or during the off-season but he needs to get done before his free agency begins. Watson will be the biggest priority come 2021 b/c the Texans cannot afford to let him become a FA in 2022. It could be extremely tough to sign both Tunsil and Watson during the same off-season. Also, players should be open to negotiating a new contract if the team is willing to do this since an injury could hit any time and one of the biggest problems players have complained about is teams negotiating an extension before their contracts play out......especially if they're producing on the field.