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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

steelbtexan said:
Give me Tunsil now straight up for Clowney and I like Clowney.

Of course I wanted RS to trade up for Tunsil during the draft.

Tunsil = Not Texans Worthy.
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No way Steel - I'd jump on Tunsil for Clowney in a heartbeat but ain't gonna happen. We'd have to kick in some boot with JD to bring Tunsil IMO.
 
IDEXAN said:
Aka dealing from a weak position, e.g. accepting pennies on the dollar
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I think the fans will revolt if they deal Clowney for pennies on the dollar and if it does indeed happen, then BOB should be terminated forth with at the end of this season. Nothing short of an AFC championship would save OB if he just gives away Clowney.
 
otisbean said:
I think the fans will revolt if they deal Clowney for pennies on the dollar and if it does indeed happen, then BOB should be terminated forth with at the end of this season. Nothing short of an AFC championship would save OB if he just gives away Clowney.
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He'll have to give him away to consummate a trade before the end of the 2019 season because too many roadblocks in the way after July 15.
 
TheKDog said:
Tweet from @CannataPFN: Miami is very much involved in trade talks with Houston. They will have competition, which may force them to overpay.

Besides Clowney, the Dolphins are also interested in LB Benardrick McKinney.
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That's a tough one, but I dunno might have to pull the trigger on that deal ?
As bad as we need a LT and a 25-year old, 3-yer vet LT with a good future by all indications we'd have to consider a package of Clowney along with any other player on the roster not named Watson or Hopkins.
 
IDEXAN said:
That's a tough one, but I dunno might have to pull the trigger on that deal ?
As bad as we need a LT and a 25-year old, 3-yer vet LT with a good future by all indications we'd have to consider a package of Clowney along with any other player on the roster not named Watson or Hopkins.
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WTF no way. They better add players with Tunsel if they want Clowney. There were reports Tunsil may get cut this year. People are overrating him. I was one of the ones screaming for a trade up for him. He’s been good but not great. No way we trade Clowney and a pro bowl MLB straight up for Tunsel. Well maybe that idiot OB would I don’t know.


Tried to find where I read that and couldn’t. Maybe I’m mixed up. Has anyone kept up with Tunsil?
 
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mussop said:
WTF no way. They better add players with Tunsel if they want Clowney. There were reports Tunsil may get cut this year. People are overrating him. I was one of the ones screaming for a trade up for him. He’s been good but not great. No way we trade Clowney and a pro bowl MLB straight up for Tunsel. Well maybe that idiot OB would I don’t know.


Tried to find where I read that and couldn’t. Maybe I’m mixed up. Has anyone kept up with Tunsil?
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https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-laremy-tunsil-20181219-story.html

Tunsil has appeared in all but one of the Dolphins’ games this season, missing the Green Bay Packers game to nurse a knee injury.

Tunsil has not allowed a sack in the 13 games he has started for the Dolphins, according to STATS LLC.
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OB shouldn’t make a trade unless he can’t end up with a LT. He may have to package a draft pick to get one.

He especially should not try to trade for a WR without exhausting trades for a LT. Even then, wtf do we need another WR for?
 
TexansBull said:
OB shouldn’t make a trade unless he can’t end up with a LT. He may have to package a draft pick to get one.

He especially should not try to trade for a WR without exhausting trades for a LT. Even then, wtf do we need another WR for?
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Exactly! These reports of trading JD to get a WR make zero sense. A LT, no problem, but we need another WR like we need a other TE.
 
edo783 said:
Exactly! These reports of trading JD to get a WR make zero sense. A LT, no problem, but we need another WR like we need a other TE.
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The only way I can see that this would make any sense is if a LT is not available at the right price and Fullers injury is worse than is being said

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TheKDog said:
Tweet from @CannataPFN: Miami is very much involved in trade talks with Houston. They will have competition, which may force them to overpay.

Besides Clowney, the Dolphins are also interested in LB Benardrick McKinney.
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Well, I’m going to give arse jaw the benefit of the doubt and see how he handles this deal. He’s the GM now, so let’s see what he’s about!
 
Mangler said:
Well, I’m going to give arse jaw the benefit of the doubt and see how he handles this deal. He’s the GM now, so let’s see what he’s about!
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ILB might be our deepest position but not sure how I'd feel about parting with Clowney and McKinney without getting something significant in return.

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mussop said:
WTF no way. They better add players with Tunsel if they want Clowney. There were reports Tunsil may get cut this year. People are overrating him. I was one of the ones screaming for a trade up for him. He’s been good but not great. No way we trade Clowney and a pro bowl MLB straight up for Tunsel. Well maybe that idiot OB would I don’t know.


Tried to find where I read that and couldn’t. Maybe I’m mixed up. Has anyone kept up with Tunsil?
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Basically I agree with you. Tunsil was the only bright spot on a lousy line. Iirc he graded about 70 2018. He was trending up at the end of the season. My thought, what would Miami do for a left tackle if they let him go.
 
badboy said:
Basically I agree with you. Tunsil was the only bright spot on a lousy line. Iirc he graded about 70 2018. He was trending up at the end of the season. My thought, what would Miami do for a left tackle if they let him go.
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With no qb or defense, Miami looks to be in full tank mode for the #1 pick bro. Tunsil and Reshad Jones are literally their only player assets that anyone would really want. It would be in their best interest to move Tunsil for pick and a player that they could build their defense around while remaking their offense.
 
TheKDog said:
Tweet from @CannataPFN: Miami is very much involved in trade talks with Houston. They will have competition, which may force them to overpay.

Besides Clowney, the Dolphins are also interested in LB Benardrick McKinney.
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Send Miami Clowney/McKinney/Martin and a 3rd round pick for Tunsil/Deiter/Stills or Parker and a 1st round pick.
 
I think JD's trade value is considerably higher next spring before the draft. So, I would sign him to the tender and let him play this year, with the one exception being if we can get a high quality LT in a deal, I'd do it now.

This has to happen this week and get straightened out. If they have a deal in place to bring in a high quality lock down starter at LT, I'm down with it. Hell even a high quality starter at RT. If it's anything else, it better be an overwhelming value in return or I don't think the vast majority of the fans will be too happy. Not that we have any sway over what happens on Kirby.
 
After reading a Dolphins forum I dont believe Tunsil is on the table.

I was trying to understand if he had been a let down. They seem to really like him and would be livid if traded straight up for Clowney.

They also say a local guy who supposedly has a beat on the team denied the report.
 
There’s been a lot of trade talks in the past few days and weeks regarding Houston Texans LB Jadeveon Clowney, and we may be coming to a conclusion. Michael Lombardi of The Athletic reported on Saturday that Clowney may be traded within the next 24-48 hours and that he’d be shocked if he wasn’t. Lombardi said there are multiple teams in the mix for Clowney, and we’ve been working to track those teams down.

According to information gathered by PFN’s Tony Pauline, Cole Thompson, and Matt Cannata, we have come to understand that the Seattle Seahawks, Buffalo Bills, and Miami Dolphins have all expressed interest in acquiring Clowney’s services. There are likely others and we will update the post as we uncover these teams.

One important note is that Clowney has expressed his desire to play for a contender rather than be part of a rebuild. While this doesn’t preclude a rebuilding team such as the Dolphins from acquiring him, it does present a major hurdle. To get him to agree to a long term deal, they (or other teams who are rebuilding and want Clowney) would have to sell him on their plan for the future and also would likely have to offer him more money than a contender would, such as the Seattle Seahawks.

Seattle Seahawks
One team mentioned as a possible landing spot if Clowney is traded are the Seahawks, a pass-rushing needy defense who traded Flank Clark before the draft. We know that Houston is looking for help at offensive tackle, wide receiver, and running back, so one could speculate that Seahawks RB Rashaad Penny could enter the conversation.

Buffalo Bills
The Bills have also expressed interest in acquiring Clowney. If the Bills were to complete a deal for Clowney, you would have to think that it would include RB LeSean McCoy and/or WR Zay Jones as part of the package.

Miami Dolphins
The Dolphins were rumored several weeks ago to be working on a Clowney trade, but there was no confirmation either way. Some reported that the Dolphins and Clowney couldn’t agree on a contract extension. But, Miami is still interested in the former first overall pick.

The Dolphins, along with other teams that we haven’t been able to identify, have also expressed interest in acquiring linebacker Benardrick McKinney, but it does not appear the Texans are willing to part with him at this time.
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https://www.profootballnetwork.com/houston-texans-jadeveon-clowney-trade-partners/


Texans DE Jadeveon Clowney just reposted a video on IG from a #Redskins fan account that said pull the trigger Bruce Allen does that mean he would like to be a Redskin
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— Timeout Sports Podcast (@TimeoutSPORTS__) August 26, 2019
 
TheKDog said:
Lombardi says Clowney will be traded in 24-48 hours and the Texans want...a receiver!?

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Lombardi shares his expert knowledge on the building trade rumors involving Jadeveon Clowney. Only on the #LombardiLine with @mlombardiNFL & @TheWrapRadio Sunday-Saturday 6A-9A PT/9A-12P ET / @SIRIUSXM / @NESN / http://VSiN.com
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This was posted 45 hours ago.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/houston-texans-jadeveon-clowney-trade-partners/


Texans DE Jadeveon Clowney just reposted a video on IG from a #Redskins fan account that said pull the trigger Bruce Allen does that mean he would like to be a Redskin
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? #NFL #HTTR pic.twitter.com/hCpguETOEZ

— Timeout Sports Podcast (@TimeoutSPORTS__) August 26, 2019
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From the article:

Former sports agent Joel Corry recently wrote the following on CBS Sports.

To make matters worse, the CBA also expressly prohibits any discussions about a new contract or any type of agreement in principle now that would go into effect after the regular season ends. The penalties would be an effective deterrent from violating the rules. Clowney and his agents, Bus Cook and Donald Weatherell, would be subject to a fine up to $500,000. Commissioner Roger Goodell could impose a fine for as much as $6.5 million on the team where up to two first round picks could also be forfeited. The team employees involved could be facing a year suspension and would have the same financial exposure as Clowney and his agents.
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Can we put this to bed now?
 
I still would prefer to separate Clowney from a left tackle Exchange. Are we all in agreement that two left tackles are possible options? 1. Trent Williams 2. Tunsil.
I am still not seeing how Washington would utilize Clowney. I think they would prefer draft picks.
 
I just don’t see the Chargers adding a guy who will cost a fortune when they still have to give a fortune to Bosa. If Clowney were to walk, Chargers get a late 3rd comp pick. Not ideal compensation for Gordon trade. https://t.co/wmI5Relka6

— Lance Zierlein (@LanceZierlein) August 26, 2019


#Redskins coach Jay Gruden reiterates that he still "very strongly" believes LT Trent Williams won’t be traded. The team has privately resisted all inquiries. Note: I’m told Williams, who has had several surgeries, is now healthy and ready to play. For someone.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 26, 2019
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Talking about folks still think he can negotiate contracts with other teams.

Very aware that he can be traded once the tender is signed.
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I think disaacks3 may mean that Clowney can negotiate the terms of his one-year contract, which *of course* would never involve the trading team. He may want to include provisions such as a no-tag clause for next year.

There are quite a few poison pills that Clowney can try to negotiate into his one-year contract that will keep him from being traded, or only traded to a team he approves. He can also make it known that he has no intention of signing a long term contract with any trade partner he doesnt like. Basically, these three options (sitting the season, no-tag clause, long term contract refusal) means that he has the Texans by the short and curlies...as long as he is willing to either forgo getting paid or risk injury this year.
 
frethack said:
I think disaacks3 may mean that Clowney can negotiate the terms of his one-year contract, which *of course* would never involve the trading team. He may want to include provisions such as a no-tag clause for next year.

There are quite a few poison pills that Clowney can try to negotiate into his one-year contract that will keep him from being traded, or only traded to a team he approves. He can also make it known that he has no intention of signing a long term contract with any trade partner he doesnt like. Basically, these three options (sitting the season, no-tag clause, long term contract refusal) means that he has the Texans by the short and curlies...as long as
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I think he thought I meant Clowney couldn't be traded.
 
Nothing happens until he signs the tender. And I don't think he can negotiate the terms of that 1 year tender. It's on the table. He either signs it, or he stays home ala L. Bell.

Once he signs it, then he can be traded. He doesn't quite have true freedom of movement as in a FA situation, but it's not far from it. If the Texans strike a deal with the Skins to bring in Trent Williams (for example) they still need to get Clowney to sign on the dotted line first. And if he doesn't want to go to Washington, he just refuses to sign.

Like it or not, JD is driving this clown car, and the Texans vaunted leadership is in the back seat along for the ride. This is Clowney's show and nothing is going to happen until he is happy. Thus, all these rumors of a pending deal. It very well could be that the Texans have a deal or are very close to one, but if nothing happens soon - that's because Clowney isn't happy with the team on the other end of the trade.
 
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