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Will Easterby and Obrien go after talent now?

thunderkyss said:
You know what 11-5 means. It's the same as Kubiak's 12-4. Still you were disappointed when that paper tiger got shredded in the playoffs. If you want us to believe BO'b can be a Championship calibre HC, tell me right now that he's a step behind Kubiak when he took this team to 12-4 and the division round of the playoffs.

Otherwise stop acting surprised when people tell you BO'b finished 11-5 but...
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The point is neither one of them were able to sniff a championship. They are basically the same guys with slight differences. Very conservative. I dont understand the pro Kubiak crowd and their dislike for BOB when both of them are avg HC's.

What has been the constants between both regimes?
 
TheKDog said:
He wanted Davenport and lamm and Rankin and Seantrel. Then he started them in the wrong positions.

Then he went after Khalil this year and passed up on Dillard.

Lol.
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If Seantrel hadn't gotten hurt because Davenport sucked so badly then this wouldn't have been an issue. We've gone over this stuff ad nauseum.

Agreed about Kalil/Dillard. Gaine didn't want to pay to move up for Dillard and now we dont have to worry about Gaine being too conservative anymore.
 
steelbtexan said:
The point is neither one of them were able to sniff a championship. They are basically the same guys with slight differences. Very conservative. I dont understand the pro Kubiak crowd and their dislike for BOB when both of them are avg HC's.

What has been the constants between both regimes?
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I like Kubiak's offense & his ability to teach that offense. I was on board with his extension after 2010. I admit I was wrong. The haters were right. It was time to move on.

I think we're making the same mistake going forward with BO'b.

I'm a Texans fan & as such I want him to succeed. I just don't see it happening.
 
TheKDog said:
He wanted Davenport and lamm and Rankin and Seantrel. Then he started them in the wrong positions.

Then he went after Khalil this year and passed up on Dillard.

Lol.
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Oh no, not Dillard! (The All-World in your imagination, yet hasn’t even played a single down in the NFL.)
 
Deservedly or not, the O’Brien hate won’t be contained in just one thread. Personally, I don’t dislike OB. But I’d venture to guess most Texans fans hate his personality and I don’t think there’s any way he can reverse that image.

I’m not sure the Texans are in a position to improve the roster before the season opener. And I do believe OB is firmly on the hot seat. His future with the organization depends on the success (failure) of a rookie tackle and OB’s o-line coach now.
 
steelbtexan said:
If Seantrel hadn't gotten hurt because Davenport sucked so badly then this wouldn't have been an issue. We've gone over this stuff ad nauseum.

Agreed about Kalil/Dillard. Gaine didn't want to pay to move up for Dillard and now we dont have to worry about Gaine being too conservative anymore.
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What?? Rankins was even worse at LT. Seantrel is not good either. So you would've still had big time oline issues. Man you truly can't stand Davenport huh.
 
Texansballer74 said:
What?? Rankins was even worse at LT. Seantrel is not good either. So you would've still had big time oline issues. Man you truly can't stand Davenport huh.
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How do you know how good Seantrel is. He barely played before Davenport got him injured.

Have you watched Henderson's career? I know he was highly rated in college as a youngster and had issues with pot. But played an acceptable LT at Miami and started as a rookie in Buffalo. Did he play badly in Buffalo?
 
TheKDog said:
So Seantrel is the key. Lol
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God you take things out of context.

People wouldn't have had to be moved around the OL if Henderson wouldn't have gotten hurt. That would've given the OL a better chance to jell, but you're right nothing would've stopped last yrs OL from sucking. But maybe they would've sucked less. Who knows?
 
steelbtexan said:
How do you know how good Seantrel is. He barely played before Davenport got him injured.

Have you watched Henderson's career? I know he was highly rated in college as a youngster and had issues with pot. But played an acceptable LT at Miami and started as a rookie in Buffalo. Did he play badly in Buffalo?
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He wasn't even good in Buffalo before the injuriy
 
And dude I do not look at these players like I'm some type of scout or talent evaluator. A brother doesn't have that type of time to look at every college game. Bwhahaha
 
Texansballer74 said:
And dude I do not look at these players like I'm some type of scout or talent evaluator. A brother doesn't have that type of time to look at every college game. Bwhahaha
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In other words you have no idea if Henderson was good or not throughout his entire career. But he started for the Bills so he must've sucked.
 
TheKDog said:
Not necessarily. I just think he is a better prospect than Howard
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Dont you just love when you think a guy is going to be good all of the sudden other posters start using the words like All World and that kind of BS.

I'm finding that it's impossible to have an honest conversation with these kinds of posters. Atleast when we disagree we can have an honest conversation.
 
steelbtexan said:
Care to prove his? He was starting as a rookie.
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According to PFF and battleredblogs videos, he wasn't good. 33.9 grade in 2015.

For what it's worth.

The last time he had significant playing time was 2015. So even if he was good in 2015 I wouldn't pencil him in as starter like O'Brien has


Cover 1.net also covers him here:

https://www.cover1.net/bills-offensive-evaluation-seantrel-henderson/


But his play in 2015 was on par with what he produced in 2014, Henderson seemed to struggle versus the pass.


According to PFF.
His 95.1 pass blocking efficiency percentage is tied for 17th overall, and just a point higher than 2014 (based on tackles playing 25% of the snaps). His struggles blocking led him to commit 7 penalties which was the second most on the team behind Jerry Hughes. Three of those penalties were offensive holding calls, one ineligible man down-field, one false start, an illegal use of the hands, one illegal formation and one false start (NFLpenalties.com).

There was a slight improvement in his run blocking according to PFF.


According to PFF.
I know it may not seem like it given his 37.9 run blocking grade, but based on the raw grading data that PFF utilizes to get that final grade, he finished better this year than in 2014. His statistical grading looks rough, but he is a young player who was really raw entering the league in 2014. So you have to expect some growing pains.
 
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steelbtexan said:
In other words you have no idea if Henderson was good or not throughout his entire career. But he started for the Bills so he must've sucked.
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I know he wasn't good in Buffalo like I stated before. Meaning I seen him play in the pros not in college. Keep up old buddy. I know good and well that you're not following every freaking player throughout their entire career. Let's be 100 here.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I know he wasn't good in Buffalo like I stated before. Meaning I seen him play in the pros not in college. Keep up old buddy. I know good and well that you're not following every freaking player throughout their entire career. Let's be 100 here.
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I never said I followed Henderson's career. I did follow him somewhat in college. I really like watching college ball, in fact much more than pro ball. Think what you want.

Care to tell us what you think are Henderson's strengths/weaknesses since you obviously watched him more than I did while he was in Buffalo and most importantly what's his ceiling, since he really hasn't played much in the pro's.
 
TheKDog said:
According to PFF and battleredblogs videos, he wasn't good. 33.9 grade in 2015.

For what it's worth.

The last time he had significant playing time was 2015. So even if he was good in 2015 I wouldn't pencil him in as starter like O'Brien has


Cover 1.net also covers him here:

https://www.cover1.net/bills-offensive-evaluation-seantrel-henderson/


But his play in 2015 was on par with what he produced in 2014, Henderson seemed to struggle versus the pass.


According to PFF.
His 95.1 pass blocking efficiency percentage is tied for 17th overall, and just a point higher than 2014 (based on tackles playing 25% of the snaps). His struggles blocking led him to commit 7 penalties which was the second most on the team behind Jerry Hughes. Three of those penalties were offensive holding calls, one ineligible man down-field, one false start, an illegal use of the hands, one illegal formation and one false start (NFLpenalties.com).

There was a slight improvement in his run blocking according to PFF.


According to PFF.
I know it may not seem like it given his 37.9 run blocking grade, but based on the raw grading data that PFF utilizes to get that final grade, he finished better this year than in 2014. His statistical grading looks rough, but he is a young player who was really raw entering the league in 2014. So you have to expect some growing pains.
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Total pressures 19 just over one per game, I'll take any day. I'll also take a 95% passing efficiency from a left tackle.
 
So they are happy with what Gaine put together anyways. If not they would have added people already.

This does not make any sense.
 
So they are happy with what Gaine put together anyways. If not they would have added people already. If not only to make a statement.

This does not make any sense.

Clowney is gonna hold out, he is not gonna play in this disaster of a season in the making. He has a vape shop to keep him afloat. :D
 
steelbtexan said:
I never said I followed Henderson's career. I did follow him somewhat in college. I really like watching college ball, in fact much more than pro ball. Think what you want.

Care to tell us what you think are Henderson's strengths/weaknesses since you obviously watched him more than I did while he was in Buffalo and most importantly what's his ceiling, since he really hasn't played much in the pro's.
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KDog already posted his grades from PFF.

I also watch a lot of college football as well. But I'm more of a sit back and watch the game for enjoyment. I do not have a pen and pad in my hand, watching every players so I can evaluate them.
 
So, three heads have not proven to be better than one. What the hell are O’Brien, Olsen, and Easterby waiting for? They have done absolutely NOTHING after Gaine’s firing! Cal better be taking note of every damn thing or lack there of since he fired the GM. (Because what Gaine did wasn’t good enough, according to Cal.)
 
Mangler said:
So, three heads have not proven to be better than one. What the hell are O’Brien, Olsen, and Easterby waiting for? They have done absolutely NOTHING after Gaine’s firing! Cal better be taking note of every damn thing or lack there of since he fired the GM. (Because what Gaine did wasn’t good enough, according to Cal.)
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This is dead season for making moves. What would you have expected them to do?
 
infantrycak said:
This is dead season for making moves. What would you have expected them to do?
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Well, anything really. They fired Brian Gaine for not doing enough so one would think O’Brien and Co would have made a bunch of moves as soon as they had the power to. I hope Caserio has a HC in mind if Cal actually does a thorough evaluation.
 
Mangler said:
Well, anything really. They fired Brian Gaine for not doing enough so one would think O’Brien and Co would have made a bunch of moves as soon as they had the power to. I hope Caserio has a HC in mind if Cal actually does a thorough evaluation.
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The draft is over and all the significant free agents are signed. There simply aren't many moves to make at this point. There will be opportunities once cut downs start.
 
Trent Williams is holding out

Would be nice to have a GM right now

Maybe we can send Easterby to tamper
 
Mangler said:
Well, anything really. They fired Brian Gaine for not doing enough so one would think O’Brien and Co would have made a bunch of moves as soon as they had the power to. I hope Caserio has a HC in mind if Cal actually does a thorough evaluation.
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Nobody knows the real reason why he was fired. It could've very well been other reasons. Like fn with those black security guards who filed charges on the Texans.
 
Trent Williams not expected to report to camp
Published: Jul 22, 2019 at 12:43 pm
Updated: Jul 22, 2019 at 12:47 pm
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Kevin Patra
Around the NFL Writer
The Trent Williams saga in Washington appears far from over.

The Redskins' left tackle skipped minicamp in June and is poised to hold out from training camp.

NFL Network's Mike Garafolo and NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday on Inside Training Camp Live that the expectation at this point is that Williams will not report with teammates to training camp on Wednesday, per multiple sources informed of the situation.

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The issues with Williams goes back to a health scare suffered earlier this spring. Williams had a growth on his head that had doctors had to remove. Coach Jay Gruden indicated when the left tackle skipped mandatory minicamp that Williams was upset that the team physicians didn't catch the growth sooner.

Rapoport also reported last month that in light of everything, Williams would also like his contract reworked.

At this stage, the issues appear to be a little bit of all of the above. Garafolo noted that Williams' plans appear open-ended and it could take a while before the left tackle reports to the Redskins.

If Williams stays away through training camp and into the regular season it would create a mammoth hole on the Redskins' offensive line. Not only is the 31-year-old Williams among the top offensive tackles in the entire NFL, the downgrade to potential replacement Ereck Flowers -- who flamed out with the Giants -- is Brobdingnagian.

Rapoport added on ITC Live that Williams might have to undergo additional prceedures on his head to ensure everything is kosher. The left tackle would then need to be medically cleared before he can return to the field. Given the seriousness of the medical matter, Williams being cleared might not be a given, whenever he finally reports for work
 
Let's offer what trade for DB was:
In the new deal, Seattle will give up a higher draft pick to account for Lane's not being included in the deal. According to the source, Seattle will get Brown and Houston's 2018 fifth-round pick in exchange for the Seahawks' 2018 third-rounder and their 2019 second-round pick.
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We get Trent Williams and Washington's 2020 fifth. Wash gets our 2020 third and our 2021 second.
 
Trade EDGE, Clowney to the Redskins for LT Williams......but to make it a tad more interesting, try to include RB, Miller and LT, Davenport for RB, Peterson and a RD4. I could see the benefits of Foreman having an opportunity to work with Peterson daily.
 
badboy said:
I would not be violently opposed to Trading Clowney for Williams but think the left tackle can be had without involving Clowney.
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The Redskins might be willing to pay Clowney before the Texans would. Texans would be settling for a RD3 COMP Pick at best when Clowney bolts for a new team. Avoid the feud and try to trade him for Williams since LT is still the biggest question on this roster.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Trade EDGE, Clowney to the Redskins for LT Williams......but to make it a tad more interesting, try to include RB, Miller and LT, Davenport for RB, Peterson and a RD4. I could see the benefits of Foreman having an opportunity to work with Peterson daily.
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Wow! Quite possibly one of the worst trade scenarios I've ever seen. The Redskins would be A$$ raping the Texans.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The Redskins might be willing to pay Clowney before the Texans would. Texans would be settling for a RD3 COMP Pick at best when Clowney bolts for a new team. Avoid the feud and try to trade him for Williams since LT is still the biggest question on this roster.
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Raiders can also pay Clowney. I want RB Jacobs plus Raiders two firsts in 2020 which would equal 2019 second rounders. I'll put in Miller as I would want him if I was Mayock. We can and I predict will get Williams for draft picks.
It's not just my opinion that cornerback is a higher priority question than left tackle
 
badboy said:
Raiders can also pay Clowney. I want RB Jacobs plus Raiders two firsts in 2020 which would equal 2019 second rounders. I'll put in Miller as I would want him if I was Mayock. We can and I predict will get Williams for draft picks.
It's not just my opinion that cornerback is a higher priority question than left tackle
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Raiders would have no interest in giving up Jacobs and 2 RD1 picks for Clowney who they'd still have to sign.

I would keep the Redskins in my crosshairs and closely watch the Trent Williams sage. I think he's way pissed in regards to how they managed his health scare versus his current contract. Redskins must be feeling some guilt b/c they went out and signed LT, Robinson to cover a worst case scenario. I read they're not sold on this solution. He's not an UFA until the 2021 season and the money on his contract is very manageable for one of the top LT's in the NFL.

Clowney is going to hold out and try to force the Texans hand......going to be interesting to see who flinches first. Clowney and his agent are looking for best NFL EDGE money and I just don't think the Texans are looking at his request from the same angle. Even if Clowney were to take his tag money this season, the Texans will have forever crapped in his Cherrios and therefore will never see him remain a Texan. That leaves them looking down the barrel of a RD3 COMP pick which is a glorified front end of RD4 pick.

I think the Redskins need a reason to make this move and the Texans could cover it pretty easily. Package Clowney and Kalil (while he's having a good start out of the gate) and in return, the Texans would get, Williams (LT solved), RB- Peterson, and a RD2 pick in 2020. Kalil being a veteran could be a plug and play LT, which they will sorely need when moving Williams. I'd start with a RD2 pick but would probably settle on a RD3 if push came to shove.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Raiders would have no interest in giving up Jacobs and 2 RD1 picks for Clowney who they'd still have to sign.

I would keep the Redskins in my crosshairs and closely watch the Trent Williams sage. I think he's way pissed in regards to how they managed his health scare versus his current contract. Redskins must be feeling some guilt b/c they went out and signed LT, Robinson to cover a worst case scenario. I read they're not sold on this solution. He's not an UFA until the 2021 season and the money on his contract is very manageable for one of the top LT's in the NFL.

Clowney is going to hold out and try to force the Texans hand......going to be interesting to see who flinches first. Clowney and his agent are looking for best NFL EDGE money and I just don't think the Texans are looking at his request from the same angle. Even if Clowney were to take his tag money this season, the Texans will have forever crapped in his Cherrios and therefore will never see him remain a Texan. That leaves them looking down the barrel of a RD3 COMP pick which is a glorified front end of RD4 pick.

I think the Redskins need a reason to make this move and the Texans could cover it pretty easily. Package Clowney and Kalil (while he's having a good start out of the gate) and in return, the Texans would get, Williams (LT solved), RB- Peterson, and a RD2 pick in 2020. Kalil being a veteran could be a plug and play LT, which they will sorely need when moving Williams. I'd start with a RD2 pick but would probably settle on a RD3 if push came to shove.
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That’s being Optimistic Texan! Didn’t Texans do Duane Brown similar to what Skins are doing to Trent Williams?

Would favor similar package Seattle gave Texans for Trent Williams.

Clowney is separate issue. There is no disrespect only difference is money. Would bend his designated tagged position as a DE not LB and pay him accordingly.

It’s not that complicated.
 
beerlover said:
Let’s leave race out of it. McNair(s) intent was not along those lines at all. It’s all about the Benjamin’s. In both situations.
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So true and easy to understand.
beerlover said:
That’s being Optimistic Texan! Didn’t Texans do Duane Brown similar to what Skins are doing to Trent Williams?

Would favor similar package Seattle gave Texans for Trent Williams.

Clowney is separate issue. There is no disrespect only difference is money. Would bend his designated tagged position as a DE not LB and pay him accordingly.

It’s not that complicated.
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Trading for Williams will cost draft capital and $$$$.

Those aren't things the Texans give up, so dont expect a trade. Watson's health be damned, but hey, if they trade Clowney for draft picks then they will be that much closer to the salary cap championship.
 
So you guys don't think that a Redskins - Texans trade for disgruntled Pro Bowl players could work for both franchises?

Redskins Get:
Clowney
Kalil

Texans Get:
Williams
Peterson
2020 RD2 or RD3
 
Texans don’t have depth on DL to trade Clowney without significant fall off. They should agree to terms with incentives, for this defense to even matter going forward.

Would like to get Trent but definitely not for a first. Be ok with a 2nd.
 
beerlover said:
Texans don’t have depth on DL to trade Clowney without significant fall off. They should agree to terms with incentives, for this defense to even matter going forward.

Would like to get Trent but definitely not for a first. Be ok with a 2nd.
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How about a 2020 2nd and a 2021 3rd. That's what the Seahawks essentially gave up to get DB?
 
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