Ok. 32 of 32 electe... teams with 1st round picks elected not to use them on Taylor.
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2019 1.23 TYTUS HOWARD OT Alabama State
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Ok. 32 of 32 electe... teams with 1st round picks elected not to use them on Taylor.
Only 25 teams made picks in the 1st round. But yes, none of those 25 teams drafted Taylor in the 1st round.
I agree completely, that sounds exactly like the Charlie Francis High/Low model. You follow days of high CNS stress exercise with Low Stress days. The high stress days are full speed sprinting of various types and distances with full recovery, and the low stress days are tempo runs of various distances run at about 75% peak velocity, and ideally they are done on a nice grass surface to reduce impact. I also use a heart rate monitor to make sure the session stays in the aerobic zone. I’ve had really good success using this model, and my athletes enjoy it as well.
Correcto ! And that means the market has spoken and Taylor has been rated or priced at as something less than a first-round value. End of story.
CloakNNNdagger
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Appreciate your feedback. This is the approach that I have always thought made more sense. But you don't tend to see it very often in the training of NFL players. Again, thank you for your input.
Mr teX
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So let me ask you this then. If Howard had of played at a scrub power 5 school like say Indiana, would that have really made him that much better of a prospect than he already was coming out of ASU?
For me no, simply b/c i believe there's more talent at these smaller schools that can play on the NFL level than the NFL would like to actually admit........................& the fact that Indiana has put a grand total of 5 players in the NFL in the last 3 years.....none higher than a 3rd.
& this is one of my pet peeves about scouts and draft gurus. They downgrade these smaller school guys at draft time mainly b/c they're unfamiliar with them...not b/c of "lack of competition faced" and/or some other b.s. that they use for spin on TV. Bottom line is, if you've got the goods and the work ethic, the competition you faced means very little.
The SWAC used to be called the "NFL incubator" back in the day & many of those guys are only there b/c they were late bloomers and/or they just fell through the cracks for 1 reason or another. So if Howard did enough to pop on film for NFL scouts then that's all i need to hear. Considering this kid's journey, to me that means we've really got something.
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badboy
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Mr Tex, I agree when I consider small school players I want to see overwhelming play or stats. One thing I liked about Davenport, he self corrected his play during game without coaching. If we had o line coach, he and Martin would be better. As with O'Brien, our line will be better despite coaching rather than because of it.l
Yep, if Devlin had only been able to get Davenport to move his feet faster everything would've been great. How do you know Davenport didn't receive coaching during the game?
The fact that Devlin worked out Davenport and signed off on drafting him makes me temper my enthusiasm for the Howard/Scharping picks.
badboy
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I think Devlin only gets paid due to O'Brien and I saw D correct often from one play to next as he did in college. Cannot remember seeing Devlin talking to him or other newer guys on sidelines but you are right, IDK. IMO, Devlin had little input on Howard/Scharp.
I know for a fact Devlin worked Howard out 3 times. You dont think he would have input? I bet he was the loudest voice in the room advocating for Howard.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Maybe not the loudest, but obviously shared his opinion on his strong and weak points.
Imo, his first hand intimate knowledge plus other Texans coaches opinions trumps second hand smoke.
Do you think Devlin has total autonomy, that he does what he wants, when he wants? Or do you think someone told him to workout Howard three times?
It was probably that person who told him what to do who was the loudest voice. Coaches work for O'Brien. Scouts work for Gaine. I'm thinking it was O'Brien who told Devlin to workout Howard three times.
But.. it could have been a Scout was told to look at Howard, three different scouts from three different regions. We don't know since the media doesn't report on which scouts are doing what. Devlin might have just been the whip they used for the three different scouts. Makes more sense, to me, than Devlin needing three workouts to see what he sees.
Considering how little useful tape there was on Howard (one half vs Auburn and some snaps at the Senior Bowl), I would think 3 workouts would be the bare minimum.
Must have been some hellava workouts.
I think a scout told Gaine about Howard and then Devlin worked him out and interviewed him at the Sr Bowl. Then Devlin worked out Howard at the combine. (Along with all of the other OL) they talked to Howard at the combine and decided to bring him in for a private workout.
Howard must've really impressed Gaine/BOB and Devlin was the guy who advocated for the pick after the combine workout. So all 3 were in agreement along with the scout.
Basically, Devlin took on the role Gibbs had with the former GM and Kubiak.
Lets hope they're as right as Gibbs was with DB.
TheRealJoker
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Don’t see any reason to believe Gaine is lying about why they chose Tytus:
https://twitter.com/houstontexans/status/1121631568370397187?s=21
We’ll find out the next couple years whether he was the right choice at 23. But as a Texans fan I hope he is the franchise LT this team needs!
https://twitter.com/houstontexans/status/1121631568370397187?s=21
We’ll find out the next couple years whether he was the right choice at 23. But as a Texans fan I hope he is the franchise LT this team needs!
Did you see the caption of Humble and Hungry under the tweet?
I want do anything to win and can be an A-Hole if needed to be the new caption. Humble but hungry is so Texans org.
A-Hole with Swag would be a fine caption with me.
TheRealJoker
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The Bengals should be your favorite team then... how successful are they again? Storied history of adding A holes with swag.
Overboard?
How about a team like the Chiefs/Eagles/Rams? That would be a more appropriate comparison.
CloakNNNdagger
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An interesting PFF piece on Howard and Scharping.
The Texans made headway on improving their offensive line in the 2019 NFL Draft
BY BEN COOPER • MAY 10, 2019
The Texans made headway on improving their offensive line in the 2019 NFL Draft
BY BEN COOPER • MAY 10, 2019
badboy
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I'm really negative on Devlin as an oline coach. In my opinion he's the weakest link on the entire team coach trainers or players. I am going to attempt to not bring up Devlin again.
I am and have been a fan of Titus Howard and Scharping. I did think Howard could be selected later as the link that Doc provided stated. PFF said Howard could be available round 2; he might not have been and that's worth the risk at this point. I do appreciate Texans being willing to take those risks for what they believe is the right way to go. At this point I'm more hopeful for the Texans than the Houston Rockets.
I am and have been a fan of Titus Howard and Scharping. I did think Howard could be selected later as the link that Doc provided stated. PFF said Howard could be available round 2; he might not have been and that's worth the risk at this point. I do appreciate Texans being willing to take those risks for what they believe is the right way to go. At this point I'm more hopeful for the Texans than the Houston Rockets.
That's just Breer regurgitating what he said before on April 26th. (Post #475 in this thread.)
Still single-sourced from the same guy. Peter King sings a different tune.
There was more than one source talking about the Texans interest in Howard before the draft
infantrycak
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sandman
Brexit Advisor
You just named one team that hasn't made a Super Bowl appearance in their HC's tenure, one team that won a Super Bowl with a devout and outspoken choir boy of a Christian at QB, and another team that made the Super Bowl on arguably the biggest travesty of a missed call in the history of the sport.
You missed the point entirely. It's about taking chances and being aggressive. The last SB winner/Runnerup were aggressive.
You can paint this F'n pcture however you like but it is what it is.
And the Texans will never when anything until they become more aggressive. Why? Because other teams are going to be aggressive. The NFL has changed and those orgs (Not just the Texans) that dont change will get left behind.
I'm actually looking forward to having this discussion next offseason as well. Cant wait to fire up the Fire BOB thread again, nut this is really where the major short comings in the Texans org starts and this comes from the top. If you cant see this after 17 yrs I'm certainly not going to change your mind.
I read it numerous times before the draft. It was never specified which round he was valued in but still...
infantrycak
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Just that they were really high on him... never heard that about Dillard or Taylor
zshawn10
All Pro
what did peter king say out of curiosity?
infantrycak
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Eh, I'd probably have him on ignore here. Hell, I wouldn't know of anything he ever said these days if someone wasn't quoting him here.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
I don't know how anyone could put a number on Howard's chances of starting game 1 at LT, not even John M. It's way too early in the process.
From a media/public relations standpoint, there's pressure to start Howard game 1 at LT. However, from a coaching standpoint, I want them to put the best guy out there. I'd be very surprised if OB and Gaine disagreed with me in that because they can choose to take a longer view and ignore the immediate pressure.
They're aware of the critics and don't want to be seen as having made the wrong selection at 1.23, but they're maybe not as sensitive to OL criticism per se as Devlin. Even though he's OB's buddy, Devlin's job may very well be on the line this year if he can't produce at a high level. I imagine he's aware of that.
Devlin may feel more under the microscope because he's bound to know he's the target of a LOT of criticism. It would only be human nature for him to love to shut the critics up by having Howard shine in Game 1.
Personally, I really hope Howard, Kalil, and Davenport ALL play lights out during Training Camp and the preseason games. AND...I hope Devlin turns in the best coaching job of his career. I'm not putting odds on that, though. I wouldn't even bet YOUR farm on that, but I can hope and imagine.
From a media/public relations standpoint, there's pressure to start Howard game 1 at LT. However, from a coaching standpoint, I want them to put the best guy out there. I'd be very surprised if OB and Gaine disagreed with me in that because they can choose to take a longer view and ignore the immediate pressure.
They're aware of the critics and don't want to be seen as having made the wrong selection at 1.23, but they're maybe not as sensitive to OL criticism per se as Devlin. Even though he's OB's buddy, Devlin's job may very well be on the line this year if he can't produce at a high level. I imagine he's aware of that.
Devlin may feel more under the microscope because he's bound to know he's the target of a LOT of criticism. It would only be human nature for him to love to shut the critics up by having Howard shine in Game 1.
Personally, I really hope Howard, Kalil, and Davenport ALL play lights out during Training Camp and the preseason games. AND...I hope Devlin turns in the best coaching job of his career. I'm not putting odds on that, though. I wouldn't even bet YOUR farm on that, but I can hope and imagine.
badboy
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Mercy, I'm thinking OB will play the player(s) he thinks get him closer to Super Bowl this season and worry about next season's players and records then. Personally, I think D begins and barring injury plays LT all season. Howard's starting this season is more on how LG does. *A caveut, Rankin could move to RG and D to LG if Howard is overwhelming in preseason. That is a line up I could dig. Scharping replacing Henderson is a greater chance.
beerlover
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Just speculating but Howard looked much more in shape during combine drills, especially one on one, while Dillard looked gassed. Endurance maybe a stronger point for Howard than Dillard, may even been tiebreaker for O’Brian? I’m surprised more people didn’t take notice of that part of respective tool box? Dillard will most likely start season stronger and everybody will say I told you so, but by mid season Howard could catch up and by end overtake Dillard as top rookie OT.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Time will tell, right? Good thoughts. But my gut says that even if Davenport starts at LT, it won't be long before he plays himself out of a starting gig. I think Howard will be a fast learner. His biggest hurdle may be building muscle.
The infamous "word on the street". Peter King's piece was primarily about the Raiders war room.
Here's from his after-the draft report for the power rankings -
Who knows whether Breer or King were being given smokescreens. Yesterday's MMQB vs. today's. I'm not really into confirmation bias, rather preponderance of what's been heard vs. single-source information.
If their reports dont fit the narrative around here then they're just a bunch of hacks.
Remember when Glazer reported there was dysfunction in the Texans FO? This is the same thing. I'm sure things will get twisted around on here.
maverick512000
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That goes both ways. Every narrative can find some "expert" out there that supports what they are saying. For every report saying the Texans wanted Dillard there is one saying they wanted Howard. Its why all of them should be taken with a pound of salt and only used to clarify a point not as proof of a point.
King and Glazer are 2 of the most respected reporters out there. They've each been doing this for over a qtr of a century. You dont last this long without having reliable sources.
Bottom line is everybody is going to believe what they want to believe.
maverick512000
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So what, even Walter Cronkite made mistakes and got fed misinformation from bad sources and the stakes were much higher than who a football team was drafting. Doing a job for a long time doesn't make you immune to mistakes. In fact in the field I worked in for years it made you more prone to them because guys started thinking that they knew best and that they couldn't make a mistake simply because they had done it so long.
You're right though, people are going to believe what they want to believe.
Going to the Walter Cronkite card. LMAO
Dan Rather intentionally mislead the people. Do you think that's what Glazer/King are doing here?
You dont hang around as a lead reporter by being wrong very often.
Experience counts in this field.
What field are you in because I want to know who I need to hire where experienced people are more likely to make mistakes than inexperienced people. I sure hope you're not a doctor.
maverick512000
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You ability to disregard whatever you don't agree with and then try to completely change the point never fails to impress me. And I worked in industrial construction, safety in particular and I can't tell you how many times I heard someone say "I've been doing this for X number of years and never got hurt/F'ed up." Usually not to long before they got hurt or F'ed up.
I'm not the person who used Walter Cronkite in my post.
One of my best friends used to do your job. He got an opportunity to move closer to his family in Vegas and work in the central plant at the Strat.
You're attitude makes sense in this setting. In other settings such as Dr.'s, Carpenter/Plumbers/Eletricians etc... not so much.
infantrycak
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It's almost cat like.
People say sh!t about 'I've been doing this 52 years...' Yeah well doesn't make it smart or right.
Classic example, leased 2100 acres for more than a decade from a goat farmer. Man spent his entire life raising goats.
Firmly believed:
The grass under trees was poisonous to goats.
Skunks would kill baby goats.
Stupid lays its head where it can.
yep...when I was in the Navy, my system had a Killer Hi-power switch tube to fire final pulse. Never injured the wary novice, but killed more than a few of the old experts that lost their wariness
Beer and Metal
Buzzed Cacophony
Except...that's exactly what I haven't seen. I've seen TONS of "experts" stating that the entire world knew the Texans wanted Dillard (that obviously includes the Eagles), while I've seen Albert Breer and ?? reporting that Howard was the Texans #1 from the get-go.
I thought the MK 86 GFCS and the SPG-60 in particular was cutting edgs stuff... digital radar was far advanced and all