He did a decent job walling guys off in the run game and should improve his run blocking as he gets in a NFL S&C program. I wanted Dillard due to his proficiency in pass pro, especially after watching Davenport blow chunks in pass pro last yr.
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2019 1.23 TYTUS HOWARD OT Alabama State
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He did a decent job walling guys off in the run game and should improve his run blocking as he gets in a NFL S&C program. I wanted Dillard due to his proficiency in pass pro, especially after watching Davenport blow chunks in pass pro last yr.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Possible 3 year plan imho. Tytus issues are more so due to being a victim of circumstances of which is school offered, hence small technical issues, whereas others it’s “Great in pass protection, lacks in run” or vice versa.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I think Davenport will improve on hiss pass protection once Deshaun learns how to scan a field, or at the very least find and hit the usually open TE
Davenport doesn't have the feet to play LT.
Oh boy, you wanna give him another free agency and draft?
If these guys drafted here dont show improvement to be starters by the end of the yr the I want them all fired.
There should be alot riding on the development of this draft class. If they dont develop them I want the hierarchy fired and start completely over.
People around these parts are acting like last yr the team was 5-11 and not 11-5.
You were the one hoping Watson would break his neck this year lol
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Most are taking for granted that will happen, which honestly (although I am strongly hoping he will this season) cannot be considered a given. The truth is, he has yet to show this basic ability after 22 games. Yet many of those same people are not willing to accept that some of our promising newbies who have never had NFL-level coaching and experience can learn to improve on their basic weaknesses. They are now all Texans and deserve our support.
Not sure why people think Watson doesn't scan the field. He spreads the ball around plenty, often to the opposite side. His issue is throwing risky passes IMO
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Not sure we were watching the same games.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Bingo. What when he comes out looking left he closes his eyes rotates his head and then throws right? That of course was always the 1st read. Same for any throw around the field, no matter how much head movement, nope not looking around the field, the throw was always to the 1st read
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And WTF with him missing 'all the wide open TEs?'
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The Texans. Seriously his head has all sorts of movement around the field.
I'm antiBO'b... I've been defending the Howard pick.
I thought we were talking preSnap. He doesn't call protection, hot routes, or sees free blitzers preSnap.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
With the new QB coach, we should see smarter play from Watson as the season progresses. That smarter play will include a better accounting for what the defense is doing against the strengths and weaknesses of the OL. Hopefully, the new QB coach will also impact the play calling and game plan. All of these things should have a beneficial impact on the new OLinemen as well as the older ones.
Why do you think that?
BigBull
Rookie
He looks like a finesse blocker from what I’ve seen of him and those type of blockers very rarely turn into good run blockers. I like olinemen that impose their will on defenders.
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PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Better check the All 22 and see how many times Keke was open or a TE yet held on for a sack. Deshaun wants to throw a highlight play every time, where he should just drive up the field
Max
Veteran
I think that was very true last year in the first part of the season but I would say that he definitely showed progress in taking what the D gave him as the season went along. Hopefully he continues to grow in that area. I watched one of the Saints games last year where the announcers had talked w/ Sean Payton before the game and the conversation centered around how much Drew Brees had evolved over the years. Payton specifically talked about how their playbook wasn't comparable at this point in Drew's career to when he first started (much more simplified early in Drew's career). I've got faith that Watson will be able to make similar advances in being able to tackle more complexity over time if he's brought along at the right pace by our coaches. I don't have a lot of faith in BOB to do that but am hoping that the addition of Carl Smith is what was needed.
So BigBull you view it as a stroke of good luck that Philly moved in as they did and saved Gaine from drafting Dillard.
That makes you the unquestioned pollyanna fan of the Texans 2019 Draft.
I like it because we've got far too many doomsdayers here as it is.
I do agree he tries to go for the homerun too often. But I think he sees the field well.
Also, his accuracy still can be hit and miss (as we saw in the playoff game).
Max
Veteran
I don't think he's done a bad job but I'm also not confident that he can get everything that can be gotten out of Watson. Either way, Watson has a ways to go in his development as every young qb does. And I think we agree that adequate protection is going to be key in making progress.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Very weird how Tytus is built similar to Willie Roaf if you want a physical comparison
Well let's all hope the similarities don't stop there.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Willie Roaf was a consensus All American and was and OUtland Trophy finalist in college. I see people are still reaching. Hey whatever it takes to make you feel good about the next Julien Davenport.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Yeah my only issue as of now with him, from watching the Senior bowl is he stops his guy but that’s it, it’s weird, almost like they both freeze. He doesn’t appear to be mauling him or completely eliminating him. I’m sure getting on an NFL S&C program will help
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
It’s a reach to say they have similar builds?
Howard has better feet than Davenport will ever have.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
It may take time (just like it did with Duane Brown), but I feel Tytus Howard will be a good one for a long time and we'll be glad he's on our side. He'll prove to be an effective run blocker and pass blocker. I think his upside at BOTH is what made OB and Gaine okay with this pick over who they could have gotten at 22.
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HaveMercy
Passing Through
An NFL strength and conditioning program, plus being free to work at it without going to college, is always helpful. Provided, of course, that having lots of spending money and free time doesn't get in the way. As my Grandmother said, Idle hands are the devil's workshop. You can bet the Texans took THoward's maturity and focus into account. Let's hope their assessment was correct. Lots of guys have unreached potential due to off-field distractions.
If Gaine/BOB stuck to their idea of drafting players that "love football" and eat, drink, and sleep football, then Howard and all of their other picks should have no problems with off the field distractions. Not saying it couldn't happen to one of them but the odds should go down when you do find players that have a burning desire to play football and are willing to make sacrifices to get better. It's what makes JJ such a success. That drive to be the best you can be and put aside other distractions. I hope Gaine and BOB can build a whole team with players like that!
On a personal note, you must be an older dude like me. I don't think anybody's Granny now days would say "idle hands are the devil's workshop." That's an old old saying but it still holds true today!
HaveMercy
Passing Through
I'm actually a few years older than you. 68 this month.
Many years ago, I was a part time writer for The Oiler Report. I witnessed first hand how those guys could get distracted. That's why I'm always concerned about these issues, especially with the younger guys who are still getting their feet wet as adults.
Many years ago, I was a part time writer for The Oiler Report. I witnessed first hand how those guys could get distracted. That's why I'm always concerned about these issues, especially with the younger guys who are still getting their feet wet as adults.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Even at my age, temptations come around. Extra butter on a large popcorn, a 2nd bowl of ice cream, two naps a day...it never ends. Even so, I don't want to imagine how tempations and distractions hit the young guys like Crawford. That's why looking into a young man's character is so important. I'm glad the Texans seem to value that.
You assume there's only one level of "my guy".
There's the guy you find a way to make happen (Watson).
There's the guy you make a small hop up to get (Nix/Harris/Quessenberry/Tate)
There's the guy who you hope is still there when you trade back (Brown)
...Then there's the guy you settle on, after deciding that your 5th was too much to give up to get (Dillard vs. Howard)
Never forget that we "ended up with Watt" only after failing to move up. The difference is that Watt was still rated far higher, and Gaine wasn't in charge.
I want to trust Gaine, I really do. The fact remains that I've still yet to see a single reference anywhere that there was a team just waiting to grab Howard. Does he play differently if we get him in the 2nd? Does getting the BPA in the 1st become a worse decision somehow?
To turn your decision on its head, if we were so certain of Howard, why didn't we move up to grab HIM instead?
If we drafted a three-year-plan guy @#23, we need a new GM.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
No team is gonna say a 5th round pick for an alleged franchise LT is too expensive, I don’t care how dumb a franchises FO and coaches, NOBODY is saying a 5th is too rich, especially if he truly is “their guy”.
Howard has visits with 23-24 other teams, over half the league saw something. I’d like to see the list of the top 5 OTs besides TH and how many visits they took.
Also, average NFL players regardless of where they were drafted need at least 3-4 years to show who they really are.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I would have said nobody would make Mallet a starter, or started your a rookie guard who missed training camp at LT while you move your LT to RT, or expect Kalil/Seantrel to be good, or run JJ Watt up the middle as a redzone play, or give osweiler a huge contract.
It's stupid but wouldn't be in the top 10 of stupid things OBrien has done here
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Can it be the wrong choice, yes. Absolutely, but to think Dillard was the guy only for the FO to say “no no no. We care about a 5th round pick too much, Howie can have the FRANCHISE LT we are oh so in love with and we will settle”. It’s just silly to think that
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Also, Mallet was the best option at QB at that time, hence why he was the starter. Khalil and Sentrel were signed as Low risk potential high reward depth.
I think that they either thought it was a bluff or
that Tytus plus a #5 is worth more than Dillard alone.
Mclane also had reported they tried to trade up but he deleted that report
Lol. No. Mallet was never the best option.
Khalil and seantrel have no upside at this point. They are not young and healthy.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Who were the better options available and on the roster at QB that year?
They could have keep Fitzpatrick a couple more years for starters
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
But they didn’t. So who was the better option(s) because the team obviously didn’t think Fitz was
Just like they thought a 5th is very valuable
And that was one of the stupid things OBrien has done that made no sense. If they wanted a placeholder just keep Fitzpatrick until they draft the future qb
Keenum was also better and tyrod Taylor was available. Let's not bring up the garoppolo and dak Prescott draft again.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
This team went 9-7 for 2 years after Fitz went 9-7, no plus or minus. Let’s not just say Keenum and Tyrod were better options because that’s personal opinion, not fact. Last I checked JG and Dak aren’t really setting the world on fire either. I’d rather be in this current state with DW over having any of those guys.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
2014 Fitz & Keenum.
2015 Hoyer (the hand picked starter), Yates & Weedon.
Heir after the implosion of all of the above, execpt the 2 who went on to start elsewhere, Savage was on both as well.
So the bad decision wasn't just Mallett.