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Whose idea of bpa?NE drafts bpa
BelichicksWhose idea of bpa?
Exactly, and yet he has had plenty of misses alsoBelichicks
He gave up a 6th in that draft. This draft would have been a 3rd since Eagles gave up a 4th 2 spots behind we were picking and we didn’t have. a 4th.Say what you will about Rick but at least he managed to trade up when O'Brien wanted him to.
Didn't he trade up one pick for Will Fuller, for example?
And a 6thHe gave up a 6th in that draft. This draft would have been a 3rd since Eagles gave up a 4th 2 spots behind we were picking and we didn’t have. a 4th.
Ok. He also traded up for Nix and Strong (lol)He gave up a 6th in that draft. This draft would have been a 3rd since Eagles gave up a 4th 2 spots behind we were picking and we didn’t have. a 4th.
Not that I disagree with you. For the most part, yeah, I get it.I bet would of. I’ve said I like him but watch the game tapes. Not many available but he’s just not really impressive. I love his measurables and was hoping for him later but he wasn’t a first round pick. He’s a project plain and simple. Look at where all the other OL went. Why is it so hard to believe Howard would of fallen? What are you seeing that makes you so sure he goes before 54?
He was their bpa. Just because he wasn't the fans or draftnicks bpa doesn't mean he wasn't the Texans.& that's what I'm saying. How do we know that he wasn't their bpa?
We know there was something the whole league didn't like about the CBs in this draft. We know there was something that caused the whole league to look at Juwan Taylor differently than outsiders did. We know 24 teams brought this OT from Alabama State in for a look see & he was one of a very small group of players thought to have the ability to play LT.
How do you know that? And not with the non sequitur of "they took him."He was their bpa. Just because he wasn't the fans or draftnicks bpa doesn't mean he wasn't the Texans.
Smith catches hell for those picks. It didn't pan out, so he deserves all of the criticism. But to be fair, Nix was rated very high. I saw many articles that mentioned he was a first round talent and how much he would be a great 3-4 NT.Ok. He also traded up for Nix and Strong (lol)
Houston Texans: D
To describe their draft as uninspired might prove kind. Only history will determine whether GM Brian Gaine panicked by taking Alabama State OT Tytus Howard in the first round after letting the Eagles jump him for Dillard, who seemed like the perfect guy to step in and safeguard battered QB Deshaun Watson. Also some skepticism as to how much Howard, second-round OT Max Scharping and third-round TE Kahale Warring are equipped to help this team immediately.
The Colts were the team to beat before they signed Justin Houston in FA and the draft.Feeling the love. We got the second worst rating in the NFL from USA Today. At least we beat the Giants at something...
Uninspired is the perfect word. Reich/Ballard is literally running rings around the OB/Gaine duo right now. The Colts are the team to beat going forward and uninspired, lackluster drafts such as this one isn't going to cut it. Even more so when the lumps of athletic clay are being molded by the equivalent of a Pee Wee league set of coaches at Oline, with an OC/HC that has a serious identity crisis, if not full blown multiple personality disorder.
Jags also picked up maybe the best edge rusher in the draft and a solid OT who fell because of knee rumours , both of whom could start right awayThe Colts were the team to beat before they signed Justin Houston in FA and the draft.
If you dont have a 4th this yr and dont want to give up the 3rd (Warring) offer a 2020 3rd and a 2019 5th. I would've given up a 2020 2nd to get the best LT in this draft. (IMHO)He gave up a 6th in that draft. This draft would have been a 3rd since Eagles gave up a 4th 2 spots behind we were picking and we didn’t have. a 4th.
Must've been the medicals.That brings up another thing, why didn't they just take Taylor who could start at RT right away? That would not have been a first round reach.
Health concerns presumably. But how many players will be injured or end their careers with their go slow program? Then those are holes which need replacemets.That brings up another thing, why didn't they just take Taylor who could start at RT right away? That would not have been a first round reach.
Then how did Kalil pass the medical?Must've been the medicals.
For the record I didn't want Taylor at 23. He went where he should've gone. (2nd rd) IMHO
I know I differ from the other draftniks when it come to Taylor.
How about trading up for Dillard and drafting Scharping in the 2nd.Then how did Kalil pass the medical?
Maybe they could have gotten both Taylor and Howard at 55
I don't see it with scharpring. He has the size but that's it. Not good athleticism or technique. Probably ends up a backup guard. I think Howard has the tools to start at either tackle spot if he develops properlyHow about trading up for Dillard and drafting Scharping in the 2nd.
I see a huge guy that is a very good technician.I don't see it with scharpring. He has the size but that's it. Not good athleticism or technique. Probably ends up a backup guard. I think Howard has the tools to start at either tackle spot if he develops properly
It's ok for you to differ from the draftniks, but not Gaine?I know I differ from the other draftniks when it come to Taylor.
Thunderkyss...your signature banner is amazing.
It's not his, it's mineThunderkyss...your signature banner is amazing.
I really like your post and agree, low floor players, except Mad Max, both Howard and Lonnie, for early picks, are projects but with high ceilings. Guess Cal gave them a vote of confidence and their jobs are secure for at least two or three years, then we’ll see.I think the biggest takeaway from this draft for me is the idea of drafting "project players"....every guy in this draft is a project player. Every guy drafted is a project. Some work out really well...some are adequate...some never quite catch on.
Derrick Harvey was some dominant "NFL Ready" player out of college...he wrapped his career with 8 sacks.
Brian Bosworth...don't even need to say anything else.
Maybe it was crap coaching, but Vernon Gholston was expected to be a horse...he was more of a shetland pony with one hoof missing and a really short rear left leg.
Aaron Curry was said to be one of the safest prospects ever...what'd he do?
Tony Mandarich, Robert Gallery, Vince Young (I want to blame Jeff Fisher, but come on, Vince), Trent Richardson, Charles Rogers, Dan Wilkinson....the list goes on.
They're all project players no matter what Pete Prisco, Mel Kiper, Jr, that Raiders GM, or anyone says.
I'm glad we came up with two Tackles...I never like seeing Houston draft a TE but will give them the benefit of the doubt on their third rounder...the one pick that I think could have been better spent was the 7th rounder but it's pretty much like picking a UDFA at that point anyway (I would have snagged the fastest WR or RB available instead).
Agreed. Only “safe” pick is Scharping. But if they can hit ceiling on at least 2 of the other players then this draft is a huge success.I really like your post and agree, low floor players, except Mad Max, both Howard and Lonnie, for early picks, are projects but with high ceilings. Guess Cal gave them a vote of confidence and their jobs are secure for at least two or three years, then we’ll see.
It's ok for you to differ from the draftniks, but not Gaine?
Everyone has to hone and add to their technique, get NFL conditioning, hone their fundamentals and learn NFL systems. That's transitioning and not all can do that. But doesn't mean they can't immediately start and contribute. Being a project simply means a substantial amount of time on the bench should be anticipated.I think the biggest takeaway from this draft for me is the idea of drafting "project players"....every guy in this draft is a project player. Every guy drafted is a project. Some work out really well...some are adequate...some never quite catch on.
And almost every projection had Tom Brady as a bum. How’d that turnout?Almost every projection had him as a 2nd round pick, though he did have some buzz
OkAnd almost every projection had Tom Brady as a bum. How’d that turnout?
Trade for Thomas bit em in the butt for more reason than just his injury when Texans really needed him. That 4th would have helped tremendously to get fair value. Personally I’m with you and would have traded 3rd and swapped lesser pick for Dillard.I differ from Gaine,
I've stated Dillard was my #1 rated OL in this draft and I would've traded up for him.
I cant make out what you're trying to imply here.
Yep, that trade was dumb. It was a rental for a team that had no chance of advancing far in the playoffs. Waste.Trade for Thomas bit em in the butt for more reason than just his injury when Texans really needed him. That 4th would have helped tremendously to get fair value. Personally I’m with you and would have traded 3rd and swapped lesser pick for Dillard.
I don't think it was a rental..As we've seen, Texans seem quite willing to pay (well overpay even) for 1 year of a veteran contract. The injury changed everything here.Yep, that trade was dumb. It was a rental for a team that had no chance of advancing far in the playoffs. Waste.
Got to love the hindsight here. Really is no pleasing some people, Texans grab a player to try and boost an injured roster before a playoff run and its called a waste. Texans do nothing and don't grab someone and they are called cheap and said to not be serious about winning.Yep, that trade was dumb. It was a rental for a team that had no chance of advancing far in the playoffs. Waste.
The problem is he had a huge cap hit for 2019. I doubt they would have kept him at that price even if healthy. Only hope was a restructureI don't think it was a rental..As we've seen, Texans seem quite willing to pay (well overpay even) for 1 year of a veteran contract. The injury changed everything here.
That was my opinion at the timeGot to love the hindsight here. Really is no pleasing some people, Texans grab a player to try and boost an injured roster before a playoff run and its called a waste. Texans do nothing and don't grab someone and they are called cheap and said to not be serious about winning.
I’m not even questioning acquisition per say, it’s the impact on ability to trade up in the draft. That part is hindsight but lesson that must be learned from. Got to have a better back-up plan.Got to love the hindsight here. Really is no pleasing some people, Texans grab a player to try and boost an injured roster before a playoff run and its called a waste. Texans do nothing and don't grab someone and they are called cheap and said to not be serious about winning.
They still have the cap space to carry that contract...I was quite aware when I typed it.The problem is he had a huge cap hit for 2019. I doubt they would have kept him at that price even if healthy. Only hope was a restructure
From our B grade at SI, to our B- at Sporting News, standard C+ from Kiper & NFL.com, to the C minuses at CBS & USA Today, it's not just me that's frustrated by the Texans "plan".Tytus Howard dominated the Senior Bowl. According to @pff, he had the highest “win rate” of any OT in 1-on-1s.
Maybe he’ll be a good player, but the Texans didn’t need to take him at 23.
There may be a good result.
But this is bad process.
They have the cap, just doubt they'd want $15m or whatever allocated to a 4th wr when they were trying to keep Matthieu plus sign OL and CBThey still have the cap space to carry that contract...I was quite aware when I typed it.
Agreed and to piggy back on your thoughts...I decided to take a couple of days to digest what the Texans did in the draft (after watching how little they did in FA).
The Texans had a mediocre draft at best, mainly by reaching for folks who they could've gotten more value at later...and we did it more than once. I get that you need a partner to dance, but it appears the Texans weren't trying all that hard.
Sure, it's not the crazy Ditka "trade everything" plan, but it's not exactly reassuring. I'm not upset with the players we drafted by any means. My issue lies more with the fact that we could've gotten better value and maybe added another immediate impact player for the same value we spent. Most good teams don't draft "projects" in round one. We did. 4 days later and I'm still not hearing about other teams having him rated so highly that he wouldn't have been there in the 2nd.
They & DT were almost certainly anticipating a restructure with extension when the trade was made.They have the cap, just doubt they'd want $15m or whatever allocated to a 4th wr when they were trying to keep Matthieu plus sign OL and CB
My question is why is it ok for you to differ in your rankings & valuations, but not Gaine. You would have done things differently. BG did things differently. Why is your way more right than his?I differ from Gaine,
I've stated Dillard was my #1 rated OL in this draft and I would've traded up for him.
I cant make out what you're trying to imply here.
I wanted the guy who I think is the best OT in the draft. Trading a 3rd Rd pick to get who i consider to be a franchise LT is a small price to pay. There's a reason the Eagles are where they are and the Texans are where they are. One team is an aggressive risk taker and the other is passive just like they've been since their inception.My question is why is it ok for you to differ in your rankings & valuations, but not Gaine. You would have done things differently. BG did things differently. Why is your way more right than his?
If you have a very good playoff team, slot of times a 4th rd pick cant make the squad. It was neccessary, unfortunately, he got hurt .Yep, that trade was dumb. It was a rental for a team that had no chance of advancing far in the playoffs. Waste.
Some say Cam Robinson was the dude. I remember everyone talking up Greg Robinson who is basically a journeyman. I will admit, even as my homie used to scout for the 49ers, fans dont see a quarter of it. If Dillard was who people thought he was, why did he last until 22? When was the last time a franchise tackle wasn't taken until the 20s? So many in the league thought he was a solid prospect, nothing special. We will see in time.I wanted the guy who I think is the best OT in the draft. Trading a 3rd Rd pick to get who i consider to be a franchise LT is a small price to pay. There's a reason the Eagles are where they are and the Texans are where they are. One team is an aggressive risk taker and the other is passive just like they've been since their inception.
Gaine saw things differently, we will see who is right. But make no mistake one player will be better than the other. Time will tell who is right and if I'm right, I will hold Gaine to the same standard that I did the former GM.
The thing I really didn't like was the lack of aggressiveness, the Johnson pick was the head scratcher for me. Even more so than the Howard pick, which I understood but didn't care for.
Jason Peters/Cam Robinson/Bahktiari/Armstead/Donovan Smith/Staley/DB/Leno/Viilanueva/Bollles are all LT's drafted after 22.Some say Cam Robinson was the dude. I remember everyone talking up Greg Robinson who is basically a journeyman. I will admit, even as my homie used to scout for the 49ers, fans dont see a quarter of it. If Dillard was who people thought he was, why did he last until 22? When was the last time a franchise tackle wasn't taken until the 20s? So many in the league thought he was a solid prospect, nothing special. We will see in time.