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2019 NFL Draft 1st Round discussion

badboy said:
or maybe they stuck to their board didn't panic as they think Howard brings as much as Dillard especially when it would cost to got get him and Texan need every pick. We get caught up in what we think is a players skill set.
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You're very possibly right. Maybe they did exactly what their board said they should do.
 
steelbtexan said:
Gotta be aggressive.

Spot on post.
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You got that right...OB and Gaine definitely weren't aggressive. But we don't know their board...maybe Tytus wasn't a stretch for them. Maybe they talked about moving up but valued holding onto the pick they would have lost more.
And it's good to hear from you, SteelB.
 
Here’s what we know right now:

1) Nothing because this guy was on nobody’s radar.

2) We can look forward to several months of silver linings and over-analyzed explanations of the obviously dumb pick.

3) The SWAC does not prepare you for facing JJ Watt in practice everyday. RIP any confidence you had, Howard.

4) The Giants bailed us out from being the most embarrassing franchise tonight.

5) Brian Gaine will most likely pull some miraculous **** tomorrow and completely redeem himself, koolaid will be had by all, then we will go 8-8 and be right back in this same position next year.
 
Dakota said:
Here’s what we know right now:

1) Nothing because this guy was on nobody’s radar.

2) We can look forward to several months of silver linings and over-analyzed explanations of the obviously dumb pick.

3) The SWAC does not prepare you for facing JJ Watt in practice everyday. RIP any confidence you had, Howard.

4) The Giants bailed us out from being the most embarrassing franchise tonight.

5) Brian Gaine will most likely pull some miraculous **** tomorrow and completely redeem himself, koolaid will be had by all, then we will go 8-8 and be right back in this same position next year.[/QUOTE


Obviously, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but, two of the beauties I was zeroed in on, in Dillard and McGary, are gone, and once were available to us. It's one thing to screw up, but it's another - much more severe, to knee jerk into another blunder .... like insult to injury !
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There was a buzz about Howard at Senior Bowl. Had no issues stepping up to level of competition, impressive. Really thought entire interior lineman also shined. Let’s just fix this stinking line and stop worrying about every need, you know can’t fix in one draft.
 
beerlover said:
There was a buzz about Howard at Senior Bowl. Had no issues stepping up to level of competition, impressive. Really thought entire interior lineman also shined. Let’s just fix this stinking line and stop worrying about every need, you know can’t fix in one draft.
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You're right, we can't fix every need .... but we can use our draft picks wisely. We knew we wanted Dillard. We knew that he was an athletically gifted and intelligent left tackle with feet you don't see very often. Watson was sacked more times than anyone in the league last year. When you have Dillard right in front of you, you should not be reactive, but rather proactive. Cal McNair should bring in a legitimate talent evaluator, and let him run our draft .... O'Brien and Gaine are terribly outclassed !
 
I hate the texans
Cant believe the draft played out the way it did and we ended up with, I cant even remember his name. I swear these guys are fools
 
I hope Howard develops to his potential but we don’t have Scarnecchia coaching the OL.

Another thing that bothered me is in Gaine’s press conference he was stating Howard will compete to start but they don’t know where... could be either tackle or guard position.

In the prior press conference he said a 1st round pick is a starter. So you’d think he’d have an answer for us not only if Howard will be starting but WHERE?!

That being said he immediately becomes one of our 5 best OL. i predict he starts at RT opening day.

Unless Ford/Taylor/Risner are at 54...
 
Lucky said:
This is less about the Texans making a bad pick and more about the Texans not getting a steal. Dillard should have been off the board much earlier. While Gaine was waiting for the draft board to speak to him, Howie Roseman was speaking to Eric DeCosta. Remember that article about how Roseman was going to trade down and accumulate more picks? Nope, went and got his franchise LT instead. Now, he gets a LT for 5 years at a late 1st round rookie contract price. He's a GM that gets it.
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Dillard went about where he should’ve went.
 
Lucky said:
This is less about the Texans making a bad pick and more about the Texans not getting a steal. Dillard should have been off the board much earlier. While Gaine was waiting for the draft board to speak to him, Howie Roseman was speaking to Eric DeCosta. Remember that article about how Roseman was going to trade down and accumulate more picks? Nope, went and got his franchise LT instead. Now, he gets a LT for 5 years at a late 1st round rookie contract price. He's a GM that gets it.
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Dillard went about where he should’ve went.
Dakota said:
Here’s what we know right now:

1) Nothing because this guy was on nobody’s radar.

2) We can look forward to several months of silver linings and over-analyzed explanations of the obviously dumb pick.

3) The SWAC does not prepare you for facing JJ Watt in practice everyday. RIP any confidence you had, Howard.

4) The Giants bailed us out from being the most embarrassing franchise tonight.

5) Brian Gaine will most likely pull some miraculous **** tomorrow and completely redeem himself, koolaid will be had by all, then we will go 8-8 and be right back in this same position next year.
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We also know that Dillard would’ve been our best offense of lineman he won’t even start for Philadelphia yet they traded up for him.
 
steelbtexan said:
It will be interesting to see how Howard's vs Dillard's career turns out.
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Howard could be just as good. or better, than Dillard in 2021. But there's little question that Dillard will be better than Howard in 2019. If Duane Brown were still on the roster, taking a talented project like Howard would make sense. You're not rushing him. But, Duane Brown isn't walking through that door on Kirby.

I'm also wondering about Jawaan Taylor's medicals. He has the most physical talent of the OTs in this draft. He supposedly has a knee issue. That didn't keep him off the field or bother him doing drills at the combine? I think it has to be something else that had him drop. I wouldn't let whatever that is stop the Texans if he got to #54. I'm not pushing for another o-lineman in the 2nd. Unless it's someone like Taylor or Erik McCoy.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
Dude has a bad knee.
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Let's sat that's true. No real report or confirmation, but Taylor did drop. Why not take Taylor anyway? The Titans took a DT with a confirmed blown ACL @19. Does anyone think Howard has a chance to start in 2019? He's getting a redshirt season. Who's better in 2020, Howard or Taylor?
 
Lucky said:
Howard could be just as good. or better, than Dillard in 2021. But there's little question that Dillard will be better than Howard in 2019. If Duane Brown were still on the roster, taking a talented project like Howard would make sense. You're not rushing him. But, Duane Brown isn't walking through that door on Kirby.

I'm also wondering about Jawaan Taylor's medicals. He has the most physical talent of the OTs in this draft. He supposedly has a knee issue. That didn't keep him off the field or bother him doing drills at the combine? I think it has to be something else that had him drop. I wouldn't let whatever that is stop the Texans if he got to #54. I'm not pushing for another o-lineman in the 2nd. Unless it's someone like Taylor or Erik McCoy.
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The Texans in typical Texans fashion boxed themselves in a corner by trading DB and they reached to fill a need. This is what teams who have high rd busts on their rosters do. IMHO

Like I said this is the guy that Gaine/Devlin wanted and they got their guy. If this doesn't work out heads should roll. I'm was worried about Watson's health, this pick did absolutely nothing to alleviate these concerns.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Texans in typical Texans fashion boxed themselves in a corner by trading DB and they reached to fill a need. This is what teams who have high rd busts on their rosters do. IMHO

Like I said this is the guy that Gaine/Devlin wanted and they got their guy. If this doesn't work out heads should roll. I'm was worried about Watson's health, this pick did absolutely nothing to alleviate these concerns.
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Agree this pick will decide Devlin's fate. It worked out pretty well for the organization when Smith whiffed on Osweiller (relatively speaking).

But I hope that the few who claim Devlin is a quality OL coach are right (Lance Zierlein most notable i've heard). I want success for this team dangit!

I also feel good knowing @bah007 was on him early and had him ahead of both Taylor and Ford. He knows what he's talking about!
 
TheRealJoker said:
Agree this pick will decide Devlin's fate. It worked out pretty well for the organization when Smith whiffed on Osweiller (relatively speaking).

But I hope that the few who claim Devlin is a quality OL coach are right (Lance Zierlein most notable i've heard). I want success for this team dangit!

I also feel good knowing @bah007 was on him early and had him ahead of both Taylor and Ford. He knows what he's talking about!
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Yep, the fact that I like Gaine's past draft and Bah speaks highly of him gives me hope.

The fact that Devlin is training him up makes most of this hope go away.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, the fact that I like Gaine's past draft and Bah speaks highly of him gives me hope.

The fact that Devlin is training him up makes most of this hope go away.
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He's one of those players that if he were drafted by Pats and had Scarnecchia coaching him or Bears with Hiestand or Munchak coaching him i'd be confident he'll reach his potential.

With Devlin...
 
TheRealJoker said:
He's one of those players that if he were drafted by Pats and had Scarnecchia coaching him or Bears with Hiestand or Munchak coaching him i'd be confident he'll reach his potential.

With Devlin...
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Really hoping that Devlin along with growth by Watson surprises us this year
 
I won’t knock him until I see how he does. What I do believe is that he will be a hard worker and try to prove himself. I think training against JJ and Clowney will help as well.

I’m willing to give him a chance.
 
Lucky said:
If the Patriots take Jawaan Taylor at #32, I'm gonna puke.
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Taylor has a worrisome injury history if you just take those related to the knee. He played through a meniscus tear throughout the 2017 season, one that was sustained early in camp. Then at the end of last season, he sustained a distal hamstring tear which was reported to be "mild." Not separately reported is that the meniscus problem has progressed and he is already seeing signs of arthritis setting in. Hamstrings help stabilize any instability caused by meniscus damage, thus minimizing further damage. Taylor is likely to have continuing knee problems.

Just as an aside, Taylor, although early on played both tackle positions, he showed poor ability to handle the left tackle responsibility.
 
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TexansFan15 said:
I won’t knock him until I see how he does. What I do believe is that he will be a hard worker and try to prove himself. I think training against JJ and Clowney will help as well.

I’m willing to give him a chance.
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I’m not sure of getting his ass whipped and getting demoralized is going to help him.
 
Really tried to shrug off Tytus Howard the prospect just because he was another small school, riser just like Davenport. Never imagined Andre Dillard coming that close to pick #23. So signed off Texans taking Kaleb McGary, OT Washington, who was there and taken by Atlanta who traded up into the first rd. to draft him.

Bottom line these tackles are like Gold, so need is always there and widespread throughout all 32 teams. You rarely can trade for one, Duane Brown being exception, and their expensive as hell in free agency. You gotta draft and develop them.

Davenport will remain your Houston Texans starting LT and Tytus will earn his way into the starting RT. Both meet Texans measureables for position and there is depth behind both.

But here is the problem, not the player, but as many here have pointed out, wise use of draft capital and it’s impossible for me to sit here and not say chances are highly, very high, that the Colts have just put rest of division in their rear view mirror, and they have yet to make a pick. They have not one, or two (both well before Texans select again) 2nd round picks they acquired trading down plus own 2nd. Chances are also good two of those high picks are starters and graded higher than Tytus. With 2nd pick of second round they could select Cody Ford, then 12th pick of second round Taylor Rapp, safety out of Washington.

Last I checked the NFL is a competitive league, and value wise with so many holes to address they just got their asses handed to them by another team in same division, not to mention head coaching.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Just as an aside, Taylor, although early on played both tackle positions, he showed poor ability to handle the left tackle responsibility.
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Right, but he was grossly overweight at the time. He was down to 312 lbs at the combine and moved as well as any lineman not named Andre Dillard. That's with whatever issues he has with his knee.

I can't speak to what his injury future holds. But, Taylor will get a 2nd day contract, not a day one deal. A lot less risk. At some point, the risk/reward ratio swings to the talented player vs the guy who is not as talented and not injured. Yet.
 
Just heard LZ say that he heard a crazy rumor about Taylor. Something sounds like it’s going on with him. Wonder what it is? Didn’t sound like it was about his knee. He said he’d tell Granato off air.

Rumors are Eagles had trade deal with Miami and Miami backed out. Eagles wanted to move up to take Wilkins and Miami decided not to and took Wilkins themselves.


So then their next target was Dillard after seeing him slide.
 
Nobody knows who would have selected Howard or where if we didn't do it at #23. We are talking about a player at a premium position.

So if you like the player, there can be no argument about draft capital or value. You used the capital you had and drafted a player you wanted.

Everyone in this thread was saying don't trade up for Dillard. Now some are mad we didn't.

Oddly enough, all of the guys being listed as "value" or players we were "supposed" to take didn't even get drafted in the first round.

Cody Ford would have been a great "value" even though a minimum of 32 teams didn't want him in the first.

But Howard is not a wise use of "value" because a minimum of one team was willing to use a 1st on him.

What a backwards and useless way of thinking about this process.
 
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TexansFan15 said:
I think training against JJ and Clowney will help as well.
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Has that really helped Davenport? Sure, we're all giving Howard a chance to prove us right or wrong. It's going to be about whether the guy has what it takes, be it athletic ability to mental toughness. Not so much about who he practices against.
 
zshawn10 said:
Just heard LZ say that he heard a crazy rumor about Taylor. Something sounds like it’s going on with him. Wonder what it is? Didn’t sound like it was about his knee. He said he’d tell Granato off air.
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That's what I thought last night. Plenty of guys that went off the board with medical issues.

Lucky said:
I'm also wondering about Jawaan Taylor's medicals. He has the most physical talent of the OTs in this draft. He supposedly has a knee issue. That didn't keep him off the field or bother him doing drills at the combine? I think it has to be something else that had him drop. .
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bah007 said:
Everyone in this thread was saying don't trade up for Dillard. Now some are mad we didn't.
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I agree with everything you said. But, I thought the Texans should have moved up at the time, and still do. They didn't and I hope Howard proves them right. I have zero issue with taking Howard where they did.
 
Lucky said:
I agree with everything you said. But, I thought the Texans should have moved up at the time, and still do. They didn't and I hope Howard proves them right. I have zero issue with taking Howard where they did.
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They could have traded down to 46 and picked up another 1st next year according to one poster here... that would have been sweet!
 
I'm still bummed. I had a helluva time getting to sleep I was so pissed. And then I had this weird dream that today, both 2nd round picks and the 3rd rd pick were all offensive lineman. And then on Saturday, all of the picks were also offensive lineman. And Gaine had a press conference basically saying hey, we just decided to take as many olineman as we could, and we're going to see who the best 5 are. It was kind of amusing! But then my doggie woke me up.

I want my first rd pick to be a high quality starter, if not on day 1, then not long after - QB being the exception. I don't like the idea of a project, and I sure as hell don't like the idea of a project when we're talking about Watson's blind side.

For God's sake Gaine, what on God's green Earth are you people thinking over there? Do you hate your QB or something? Their idea of protecting Watson is Matt Kahil and Tytis Howard? What the ever loving God is going on? Is Kirby hexed or did BOB invade Gaine's body or what? I was very impressed with Gaine last year but last night - epic fail.

Gaine got rolled by Howie Roseman, who knows a thing or two about being a damn good GM. Gaine may eventually be one - but last night tells me he isn't one yet.

He made a reach pick out of desperation. He had a freaking press conference saying the board will speak to him. It sure as hell wasn't this board, I can tell you that! You had your pick of literally any CB in the draft - why not take Greedy Williams or Baker, or whomever you like at CB if Ford wasn't your man.

If you just really wanted Howard anyway, then trade down and get additional value! Don't tell me it takes two. There was all kinds of movement with teams in the 20's. There was a deal to be made if Gaine wanted to make it.

Right now - I give this pick a D+ and I'm grading on a curve since Gaine is a newbie.
 
Lucky said:
Right, but he was grossly overweight at the time. He was down to 312 lbs at the combine and moved as well as any lineman not named Andre Dillard. That's with whatever issues he has with his knee.

I can't speak to what his injury future holds. But, Taylor will get a 2nd day contract, not a day one deal. A lot less risk. At some point, the risk/reward ratio swings to the talented player vs the guy who is not as talented and not injured. Yet.
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Lucky, he has had weight problems throughout his career. Last year, he played at ~335 lbs. He got down to 312 only for the Combine, whether because of his knee limitations or to lessen stress on his damaged knee. He did not participate in any Combine activities except for the bench press and blocking drills. Admittedly, he did well in the latter, but this is a small sample of what he will be expected to perform as an NFL tackle. If history is any predictor, he is unlikely to maintain his 312 weight............and if he goes back to his college senior playing weight, his limited performance at the Combine may not be a reflection of what he will look like in the NFL.........and his knee is less likely to hold up over the long term.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Lucky, he has had weight problems throughout his career. Last year, he played at ~335 lbs. He got down to 312 only for the Combine, whether because of his knee limitations or to lessen stress on his damaged knee. He did not participate in any Combine activities except for the bench press and blocking drills. Admittedly, he did well in the latter, but this is a small sample of what he will be expected to perform as an NFL tackle.
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That's all true. But, Taylor will be a NFL player and will be more closely monitored than when he was in college. I just don't think this was the defining reason as to why Taylor has lasted this far. Something else has to be there.
 
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zshawn10 said:
Just heard LZ say that he heard a crazy rumor about Taylor. Something sounds like it’s going on with him. Wonder what it is? Didn’t sound like it was about his knee. He said he’d tell Granato off air.

Rumors are Eagles had trade deal with Miami and Miami backed out. Eagles wanted to move up to take Wilkins and Miami decided not to and took Wilkins themselves.


So then their next target was Dillard after seeing him slide.
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Lucky said:
That's all true. But, Taylor will be a NFL player and will be more closely monitored than when he was in college. I just don't think this was the defining reason as to why Taylor has lasted this far. Something else has to be there.
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Taylor developed back problems shortly after playing through his initial 2017 knee injury season.......most likely a compensatory lumbar disc issue. As his knee has continued to be a problem, now with a hamstring issue, further ongoing compensatory stress on his back would not be unexpected.
 
Lucky said:
I agree with everything you said. But, I thought the Texans should have moved up at the time, and still do. They didn't and I hope Howard proves them right. I have zero issue with taking Howard where they did.
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Totally understand that point of view and you said as much last night.
 
Porky said:
I'm still bummed. I had a helluva time getting to sleep I was so pissed. And then I had this weird dream that today, both 2nd round picks and the 3rd rd pick were all offensive lineman. And then on Saturday, all of the picks were also offensive lineman. And Gaine had a press conference basically saying hey, we just decided to take as many olineman as we could, and we're going to see who the best 5 are. It was kind of amusing! But then my doggie woke me up.

I want my first rd pick to be a high quality starter, if not on day 1, then not long after - QB being the exception. I don't like the idea of a project, and I sure as hell don't like the idea of a project when we're talking about Watson's blind side.

For God's sake Gaine, what on God's green Earth are you people thinking over there? Do you hate your QB or something? Their idea of protecting Watson is Matt Kahil and Tytis Howard? What the ever loving God is going on? Is Kirby hexed or did BOB invade Gaine's body or what? I was very impressed with Gaine last year but last night - epic fail.

Gaine got rolled by Howie Roseman, who knows a thing or two about being a damn good GM. Gaine may eventually be one - but last night tells me he isn't one yet.

He made a reach pick out of desperation. He had a freaking press conference saying the board will speak to him. It sure as hell wasn't this board, I can tell you that! You had your pick of literally any CB in the draft - why not take Greedy Williams or Baker, or whomever you like at CB if Ford wasn't your man.

If you just really wanted Howard anyway, then trade down and get additional value! Don't tell me it takes two. There was all kinds of movement with teams in the 20's. There was a deal to be made if Gaine wanted to make it.

Right now - I give this pick a D+ and I'm grading on a curve since Gaine is a newbie.
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Gaine has now proven he is not slight of hand, straight shooter needs on his sleeve, obvious and plain for all to see. Nobody wants to wake a sleeping giant, so Texans will remain non threatening to its adversaries. Howard did not have a first round grade by ANYBODY BUT THE HOUSTON TEXANS. Now Tytus and Texans must prove they we’re right on the field.
 
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