leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
When they had a good oline, how many 1st rd picks did they spend? Not everyone does what Dallas did. A 3rd rd pick is considered a high pick. If it isn't, tell my why you and others trip out over 3rd picks that dont make it
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Not every coach is HOF'er Alex Gibbs.
Devlin shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.
I'm sure some fans dont appreciate the dreatnees of HOF'er Gibbs, but that's one thing that I can tell you for sure. Kubiak knew and worked with greatness before he even became the Texans HC. Too bad he didn't have Wade with him to begin with. If that had happened from the beginning then we might be talking about some great Texans teams and that's even with the restrictions the McNair's put on them.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I agree, Devlin is garbage. Who hired Devlin and Godsey? Gibbs used to coach the the ol and running backs. Think about it, they got 1200 yes out of Steve Slaton. Foster turned into a all pro. They even got almost 1000 yds out of Tate and good production out of Ron Dayne.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And they drafted Ben Tate in the 2nd the year AFTER Foster led the league in rushing. (Both of which occurred after Gibbs was gone). That's showing a commitment to rushing.
Kubiak knew offense, there's no doubt about that.
I wish Gaine/BOB would make this kind of commitment to the OL. Things would look alot different down on Kirby if BOB would just realize he doesn't know what he doesn't know and build an OL to give Watson the help he needs. Spend the draft capital to make Devlin's job easy if your going to keep a subpar OL coach on the payroll.
62 sacks is unacceptable, but in true Texans fashion nobody had to pay for that debacle with their jobs.
Ask yourself, what would Jimmy Johnson have done if Aikman got sacked 62 timesin a season. I'm giving them this offseason, but if there's not a vast improvement in the OL play I will want them all fired.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well when Jimmy got dissatisfied he went out and got Hudson Houck, the best power OL coach around. That year they drafted only 1 OL in the 4th. During Jimmy's tenure their highest draft pick on OL was a 2nd on Steve Wisniewski who was immediately traded for a 2nd (Daryl Johnston), 3rd & 5th. Other than that all picks were 3rd thru 10th rounds, notably including Mark Stepnoski 3rd & Erik Williams 3rd.
Their LT throughout was undrafted Mark Tuinei. Another rock was undrafted Nate Newton. They were Landry hires.
So if you want the 90's Cowboys example get a damn coach and be committed to a system...with a complimentary RB, and you don't have to draft high.
OB needs to get over "the system," realize ZBS & movement suit Watson, throw a truckload of cash at Brian Ferentz (after firing Devlin) and roll. Belichick has gone heavy ZBS when it suited his backfield.
They already had Tuneiu (SP) and Newton then drafting a C and a RT that can play LT with experience makes alot of sense.
The Texans are in a totally different situation.
Although I do agree with you about the OL coach.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
We cross posted. Yes, Landry brought in Tuinei & Newton, both undrafted in a 10 round draft era.
They and Stepnoski were there in 1990 when they gave up 43 sacks. A crap OL as a whole doesn't mean there aren't good pieces. Those guys had zero pro bowls thru that season and 12 after.
Agreed. We already handed these yahoos two 2nd round picks & got abysmal returns. I feel giving them 5 1st round picks would be a waste. They took Jeff Allen, & Zack Fulton & played them out of position. They took Martinas Rankin, most suited to be a guard, & stuck him at LT after missing all of His rookie training camp.
History shows getting these guys more talent does not get the intended results.
You'd have to draft 8 bonafide LTs to make sure they put a LT at LT. Then you got no one to play center.
This has already been gone over ad nauseum.
Depends on who you think was doing the picking
They put Rankin where he played in college because he didn't have a TC.
Once they figured out he was even worse than Davenport they rightly moved him to RG.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Steel they are notorious for setting their offensive linemen for failure. Thunder just pointed out in his post. They also moved Davenport to RT after having him practice and work on the Left all of camp.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Really, flipping player positions depends on whose doing the picking? So if Gaine had been picking Allen would have played LG?
Lance Zierlein and most scouts had him pegged as an interior lineman who might be able to play RT adequately. Link. Why didn't the Texans? Was that because Gaine was picking?
Like I said before they tried to put Rankin in a place where he felt most comfortable because he missed TC. It's not like Davenport was playing like DB or something.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Eh, Davenport played a lot like early DB. I don't think he is destined to be another DB, but didn't DB platoon his rookie year as a 1st rounder?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yep. The problem here is Davenport is in his 2nd year & he doesn’t have the talent DB had.
Honestly, the guy DB was platooning with his rookie year (ephraim salaam I believe) is probably better than Davenport let alone the individual behind him....& that’s saying a lot considering Salaam’s nickname coming from Jax was “turnstile”
Davenport doesn't have the feet or lower body strength to be more than a depth OT. He is just not a good enough athlete.
We didn't worry about DB's athleticism.
I honestly don't see how you think this is a defense of BO'b... well since Davenport was comfortable playing LT at Bucknell, let's throw him in week one against NFL veterans, with no training camp.
I didn't make a mistake. As dumb as that sounds to you is how dumb your excuse sounds to me.
Really simple, Davenport suckes and they knew this after the 1st game. They hoped Rankin would be better since Davenport set the bar so low. Rankin wasn't better. It would've been nice to see how Rankin in TC so Devlin could've made a more informed decision.
Dont take this as defending BOB/Devlin, I would've fired Devlin after last season, but I do realize the reasoning behind the decisions that were made considering the lack of talent on the OL last yr.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I really don't think that was the reason. And you see how quickly they put him back and benched Rankin.
Of course you dont
They found out rather quickly Rankin was a LG not a LT and adjusted the OL accordingly. Sure would've been nicefor Rankin to have a TC so Devlin could've figured this out before the season started.
Yeah. Would be nice if TC wasn't needed for our HC to know what you & everybody else who watches college football already knew.
A 3rd round prospect should not be called upon to play LT week one of a real NFL season, even more so if he were injured all of training camp.
Simple.
They went with the best that they had which says something about how long the OL has been neglected. I'm giving Gaine/BOB/Devlin this offseason to finally fix the OL and I realize there will be rough patches if they play a couple of rookies. But it's past time to fix this issue and if they dont I will want them all fired.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And who fault is that brother? This is one of the reasons why I was ticked off with Obrien throughout preseason. Now Rankins injury stunted some of it but they did not attempt to build continuity and chemistry with the 1st team like they should have. I watched the Patriots with practically a new offensive line build what's necessary to compete on this type of level. While Obrien and staff act like we had our skit together. Knowing darn well we had 4 new starters on that line with a 2nd year quarterback coming off a major injury.
Then on day one after Henderson went down, you toss a rookie who just came off a serious injury into the lions den without any time at that position. Steel that had nothing to do with them thinking or seeing Davenport wasn't ready. This was another illustration of poor coaching evaluation.
It was the former GM's fault for the lack of talent on the OL.
The Pats only replaced their LT, not their whole OL.
Agree to disagree.
Texansballer74
The Marine
It was his fault as well as the head coaches. The GM got the players he wanted. Plus you can't really fault neither GMs for striking out on those linemen you wanted. They went after them but those players did not want to come here.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Cannon and Waddle have been their starting RT's for yrs.
Check it out.
Waddle has now moved on to the Bills this offseason.
I would say neither GM was able to get the players BOB would've liked to have gotten as proven by this post. Did they bid the most $$$$ for either OT?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Technically Rick did because of the tax difference between Texas and New York. But Solders wanted to close to his daughters doctor. And the players we have acquired Obrien signed off on them. Coaches normally give the GM a list of players they think fits their entire system.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You're right but dude wasn't a bonified starter like that. Last season he only started in 3 games.
My main point still stands, they played Brady and their starting 5 in all but one preseason game. They also had new receivers remember.
Not playing the OL more in preseason was one of BOB's greatest failings and lead to an 0-3 start. I hope he looks at how BB runs things during the preseason and tries to emulate BB.
We dont know this to be the case. I only coach who the GM gives me comments should tell you something. BOB said the same thing about Gaine this offseason but I do think Gaine/BOB share the same vision more than BOB/the former GM did.
I agree with you about FA's not wanting to come to Houston, why is this and how can this be changed. I'm taking a 4 day vacation and I'm posting while my wife is getting ready. You should start up a thread asking these questions.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I remember when they gave veterans like Wilfork, Watt and several others time off during the OTAs and etc. We started off 1-4. Something like that that year as well.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That is a cop out response big time. Especially when he said on several occasions that those choices were both of theirs. Collaboration, collective decision are the words he actually used.
Why did he say the same thing about Gaine this offseason?
What do you think about the 2nd part of my post?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Because that's the way he gets down. And watch what he says when things aren't going good. Classic case of finger pointing/deflecting
Or just being truthful.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Winning cures all Steel or better yet being an actual contender will draw big time fish.
Texansballer74
The Marine
How is he being truthful when he continues to flip flop. Those type of people are not to be trusted.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Steel enjoy your vacation brother. Lol don't get put in the doghouse. I have a few days before I head out to work. So let me get off of here too.
It ain't all winning or the Jag' s/Raider's /Brown's would never sign a quality FA
I think McNair's inmates comment and the fact that the Texans dont pay the most $$$$.
The Texans culture isn't conducive to FA's wanting to come here. Corporate environment.
Houston has never been the Mecca destination that Houstonians know it is
Texansballer74
The Marine
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
After 5 seasons of being on his staff and 5 seasons as a head coach, if he hasn't come to the conclusion that maybe BB is on to something by now, he's never going to. Don't hold your breath on that one.
The problem there is Belichick doesn't come across as a one size fits all kind of approach. He knows how to decide if he needs his starting 5 play 30 minutes in the preseason or 3 series.
I don't think we have a guy who can think & make the best decisions for the team.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Garbage assertion considering how quick BoB has been on making changes after literally 1 half of football, how last season unfolded & how BoB has always seemed to get the most out of his teams despite certain challenges.
& lol.....have u seen Belichick’s dry ass post game pressers? This is the same dude who was about to move on from what most consider the GOAT qb a few years ago......... in the same fashion that he has done with all of his good to great players over the years who are approaching the ends of their careers or don’t fall in line with team objectives. IOW, he is the EPITOME of the one size fits all approach.
But as we’ve discussed as nauseum here, He is the exception, not the rule and I really wish folks would stop bringing him up. most other HC can’t approach things the way he has done over the last 20 years b/c:
A- if they have franchise QBs, those guys have demanded to be paid as such hindering their teams in the process....let alone having arguably the GOAT qb playing for them.
B- they haven’t been winning nearly at the same clip as BB
C- most HC, don’t wear both the GM/HC hats and have full control over the development of the team like BB does.
Truly a unique situation up there. But let’s be real, if any of those 3 things are not in place/happening it is highly probable Belichick isn’t in NE past 8-9 years for 1 reason or another.
Garbage reply. I'm not the one who brought up Belichick, I was just replying to your girlfriend. Why don't you try keeping her in check from time to time.
Texansballer74
The Marine
We bring Belichick up for several reasons. For one he's a great example who many other coaches should try to emulate. And 2nd he's Bill O'brien's mentor. I guess ole Tex has forgotten we are suppose to be New England 2.0. Therefore, his name will be brought up and will continue to be brought up around these parts.
I wish that were the case. Definitely a misconception we (fans, myself anyway) had when he was announced as our HC.
But NE was only a small part of BO'bs coaching history. George O'Leary was O'brien's mentor & he's been trying to form the Texans as Georgia Tech/UCF...
Nothing he's done here resembles NE. Far as I can tell.