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Texans draft clarification
- Thread starter TexansFan15
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Come to think of it, I suppose I mean - We under the steady, sure, and ultra-competent .... Bill O'Brien !
TexansFan15
All Pro
Which OTs do y’all see coming off the board in round 1? (Not necessarily graded as a Rd 1 prospect)
I think Williams, Taylor, Ford, Risner, and Dillard will all be drafted in the 1st
I think Williams, Taylor, Ford, Risner, and Dillard will all be drafted in the 1st
I understand about your I versus the fandom we. How you (or any poster) would run the team makes for nice banter, but is less important than how the team is actually ran.
Cal has been apart of the decision-making process or committee since Bob McNair originally took ill, if not before. There has been no difference in the way the team has been ran since Thanksgiving. Even if good, the coaching staff changes have very Texans corporate safe:
- a well regraded veteran coach with connection to the Texans
-promoting guys who are comfortable and familiar to O'Brein
-the strength coach being replaced by a former asst of his.
There was one in-season trade made before halloween, although I am making the assumption that Cal was so-called in-charge, it was a month before the elder McNair passed.
I am missing any evidence for seeing or even hoping Cal McNair is any different than Bob McNair.
Say what - you don't see Little being taken by someone in the first round ?
The trade while Cal was in charge and the FA signing of Henderson last yr gives me hope that things are changing. It seems to me that Cal is letting Gaine run the football operation as he sees fit. Minus a Kareem Hunt type signing. Also big $$$$ FA signings or trades such as an AB trade would have to be run thru Cal.
If say Gaine says we need to sign Trent Brown in FA, Call will OK it, just like he did with Solder last yr. Bob never had a track record of spending for top tier FA's like Brown.
I will shorthand and say that I don't see those as a sign of anything different before and that we (sorry, I am not aware) don't have a clear date as to when the elder McNair wasn't involved with any aspects of running the Texans outside the very obvious, Thanksgiving 2018.
I am going to give Cal more than three months (post father) to display whatever his personal style and tastes are. I am sure as a board this will be over-discussed especially if there is a dramatic change in the overall success (either way).
That's not true.
Have the Texans ever signed a FA that's been suspended like Henderson was?
Made an in season trade like with DT?
Agreed about Cal and we'll see. The last year has given me hope that the Texans org has changed the way they go about their business in relation to the on field product.
One chaotic off-season is much too early to tell
Manning and JJo were pretty big FA signings . Ed Reed was considered a big offseason signing by anyone not privy to CnD's posts on here. Asswieler was definitely a high $$$$$ offseason signing. The Texans made runs at $$$$ FAs in the early years but couldn't buy a $$$$ in FA.
I will give you the JoJo/Manning signings.
How long ago was that?
Henderson signing was hopefully a sign of change. A totally different type of signing than what the Texans usually make. Same with the DT trade.
I was just pointing out that there was, indeed, a track record, even if it wasn't a particularly successful one.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Correct their failure is in timing/selection not lack of will.
Todd Wade was best FA OT that offseason. Same for Anthony Weaver at DT. Antoine Smith was up there. Took a run at Pace.
Whether its old really doesn't matter as it's same ownership.
Plus a RB, and a backup QB, (both latish - FA). Mollywhopper disagreed with you on your last sentence .... I do not. A team's glaring weaknesses are what is almost certainly preventing it from winning. In order to improve, you must address those weaknesses. You've got a busted fan belt. In the auto parts store, you don't buy new tires instead, just because that are on sale for an unbelievably low sale price !
BPA is a long-term, year-in-year-out strategy to help keep a roster from ever having a desperate need. Yes, it is by definition terrible if there is a massive short-term hole. The idea is that a team buys those tires or replaces the fan belt before the wires are sticking out or the belt is brittle.
BTW, BPA says only pick that "best available" when that guy is clearly better than fixing a shorter-term need...Example if there is a guy who is rated a 86 with a bunch of 85/84 at a non-need position draft the highest need guy, but the same player is 91 with a bunch of 85/84 then pick that guy or trade down.
I agree wit this
What the Texans should do is fill needs in FA (OT/CB) then draft over the top of those need to develop depth at those positions. The exception would be if a highly rated guy fell and if he did you could pick him because you filled the needs in FA.
Example: If Oliver fell you could pick him since you filled the LT hole in FA.
This is just my philosophy for whatever that's worth.
If I filled LT in FA and a highly rated LT prospect fell to me, I'd be doing some investigating why he fell, as much as you can during the draft, but I wouldn't be shy about picking him. I can't say, definitively, that I've filled LT in FA until the end of the season. We've all seen those FA busts.
Agreed
Good thing is guys like Little/Williams/Edoga have played RT and I'm sure with Dillard's athleticism he could play RT as well.
Plus now team are putting their best pass rushers over the RT just as much as the LT if not more so. You really need 2 good OT's in today's pass heavy NFL. Sign Brown and draft Dillard = problem solved for the next 5-6 yrs.
I actually like Rivers McCown's idea of signing Nsekhe and I would also sign Trent Brown. 2 huge dudes that are really talented. Because Nsekhe is 33 yrs old you could get him on the cheap for 3 yrs and train a young drafted OT. Nsheke hasn't played alot backing up Trent Williams but has played well in place of an injured Williams
Arl, I agree with your theory .... I really do. But ours is an extreme example. To use the analogy, it's like, all of our tires are bald, and have wires sticking out, and our spare is kinda' iffy !
Max
Veteran
yes, so now we are going to have to pay way above normal retail for good, non-great tires, or hope we can get another year out wrong sized 25,000-mile tires, or go to the nearest fix-a-flat and hope to get the one good tire buried in the mound of trash tires.
If I filled LT in FA and a highly rated LT prospect fell to me, I'd be doing some investigating why he fell, as much as you can during the draft, but I wouldn't be shy about picking him. I can't say, definitively, that I've filled LT in FA until the end of the season. We've all seen those FA busts.
How cheap did Seattle re-sign DB for? Too lazy to look it up.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He signed a 3 year extension that averages $11.5 mil, $8 mil signing & $8 mil salary of 2019 guaranteed. 33 yrs old at start of extension.
You don't solve the problem by buying retreads or 17" tires when you have 18" rims. Reaching for a player just because he plays a position that needs improvement is a proven recipe to draft a bust at that position and if you reach for that player too high in the draft, you just set your franchise back by a few years because that player will be given an undue number of chances to succeed because of draft status. Not many GMs or HCs out there willing to admit a mistake high in the draft.
I don't think all of the Texans projected 2018 starters are all bald with wires sticking out. We didn't see one full game with that lineup. The backups dang sure have some steel belt showing, but they're backups for a reason. I haven't read or heard any rational reasoning why Davenport won't be better in 2019. Dude was a project from the start. Projects take time. I remember people on here biotching about DB his 1st season or two. How did that turn out? KJax the same thing. Rule of thumb. it takes three years to judge a draft class. I'm by no means suggesting that the Texans not address the OL as best they can. Sign Trent Brown, as long as it's not an over the top contract. He doesn't deserve to be the highest paid LT in the league. Offer him the average salary of the top 5. If you sign Trent Brown and a top 5 LT falls to 23 and he grades out better than a CB or WR, bty all means draft him. Just don't pass on a higher rated CB or WR to draft a lower rated LT because it's a position of need.
Cool. The average salary of the top 5 LTs in the league is $14.57M. I'd use that as a max for Trent Brown and offer the other guy a DB range with a COLA increase. With the way the cap is rising every year, the Texans could easily sign both, keep HB and KJax and sign the 2019 draft class. I'm on the fence with tagging Clowney unless it's at OLB. I'm not a fan of this years CB FAs, so I'd push hard to fix the OL in FA and draft CB early and often, as long as the value is there. \
The Texans have a talented enough roster to go BPA at several different positions throughout the draft and they have the draft capital to make just about any move they feel like they need to make. It's gonna be fun seeing what Gaine does this offseason.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Meh, I have seen plenty of first round busts at every position. It's a crap shoot.
About the best thing you can do to prevent 1st round busts and bring the best out of lower round guys is top quality coaching and putting them in position to take advantage of their particular skill set.
Of course, some guys will make it despite circumstances but how do you pick those? Look at JJ - went at #11, but is one of the top two or three players ever to play his position.
Unfortunately, the current coaching regime has managed to make just about every player on the team regress as time goes on. Hopkins, McKinney, Cunningham and Clowney being notable exceptions.
Even Watson took a step back under OB, after a record setting rookie season. IMO, OB is the opposite of Midas. OB has the sh!t touch.
I completely agree. That's why I don't subscribe to the "draft X position in Y round(s). It's not like you're at an NFL draft shop and choosing players by how much storage they have. Higher storage being a higher draft pick. It's a very inexact science, but the best scouts/GMs/coaches know how much importance to put on the measurables and how much to put on the stats.
Agreed,
I will and think I have given you a reason that Davenport sucks and will continue to suck. Slow feet
Davenport/DB comparisons are laughable. DB was very athletic, who didn't play much OT in college. He was a TE.
Davenport doesn't have the athletic ability to play LT in the NFL. The AAFL maybe but not the NFL.
Really, wouldn't you say WVI/ Vyncient Smith/J. Thomas/Mancz/Miller have improved?
I mean Davenport/Lamm improved but still sucked due to lack of talent.
So 20 years between Super Bowls (Rams) & .462 postseason records are cool now?
TexansFan15
All Pro
I actually forgot about him, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the fourth or fifth OT to be taken.
Your analogy doesn't fit. BPA is not clearance rack tires. Unless you're talking about trading up to address need. Which I have no problem with (minus reaching).
BPA is more like buying OEM parts at aftermarket prices.
Actually, one of the biggest problems that we (the discussion board) face, is the huge discrepancy in player rankings among the scouting gurus. I would guess that I check 10 - 15 boards daily, and the placement/position of players from one scout to another is amazing.
LOL
Yes
Doesn't mean I wouldn't run my team like they do.
Hopefully Cal McNair runs his team like Clark Hunt does. It's a new generation.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
The majority of QB's have a regression in their "sophmore" season due to more tape on them mostly.
If you cannot see the other reasons for his "regression", then you seriously underestimate their impact.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
The majority of QB's have a regression in their "sophmore" season due to more tape on them mostly.
If you cannot see the other reasons for his "regression", then you seriously underestimate their impact.
I am about to make an aggregate ranking of the top 100 or so from about 8 of the major sources.
I hope to post it up as a thread soon.
Should give us an all round median and hopefully better idea of where they should actually rank.
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Until they put on pads and play, you have no idea of what they are. And just because they're good at one place, doesn't mean they'll be good at another.
The draft and free agency have always been crap shoots. You just take them at their shown talent and history and hope they work out for you.
The teams that are good seem to do well in FA and most importantly manage the cap.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
The Rams? Aren’t you the guy that complained about McNair caring more about making money? And what was the sole purpose Kroenke moved the Rams moving to LA?
I dont care if the owners try to make as much $$$$ as possible as long as they use that $$$$ to put the best team possible on the field.
Like signing in FA Whitworth/Sullivan/Suh/Woods/Anderson/Watkins and trading for guys like Talib/Peters/Fowler/Cooks etc...
Do you think that the Texans org will ever make these type moves in 2 yrs?
I said the opposite.
I see OBs fingerprints all over Watson's regression. Watson tried to be much more of a pocket passer, which OB favors, and much less of a mobile QB. Watson's true self lies in the Russel Wilson mold and OB is just too dang stubborn or incapable to coach that up. If Tom Brady doesn't need to be mobile, then no QB needs to be mobile.
This is why I'm going to be following the Raiders very closely this offseason. I've always considered Mayock to be a joke. It's going to be extremely interesting to see what he does in FA and the draft.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Yes OBs fingerprints were all over it - Watson was hurt most of the season and he didn't want to risk him being hurt more.
Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.
Smh.
This is the norm between scouts and teams both. Most years there are only a handful of players where there is near universal agreement on a player based on watching tape or game play. Once we get into size/speed, injury history, scheme fit, off-the-field stuff, etc that gap grows further. There is a reason that by overall pick 5 most mock drafts can be thrown in the trash or some player thought of as 2nd rounder goes in the 5th or vice versa.