FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

[TheKDog]

Let’s hope next years OL is far from shoddy. Hopefully OL talent acquisition will be far better under Gaine’s leadership

Even with better talent acquisition, I expect OBrien to screw it up.

Remember how he moved Davenport to RT aft playing him at LT all training camp then started Rankin at LT after he missed training camp as a rookie

 

[maverick512000]

Bit of context needed to judge Belichick in Cleveland. Think there was more to it than he simply sucked there.

He dragged them kicking and screaming into the playoffs before the franchise went full lame duck on its way out of town.

He also set up the foundation of that team that won its first SB under the Baltimore Ravens.

We're still waiting for OB to come up with an offense.

Someone must how thought he wasn't doing a good job since he wanted, and was told he was going, to go to Baltimore with the team and was fired a week later. Whether they were right or wrong I couldn't say. I still wish we could look into an alternate reality where Pats never drafted Tom Brady and see how good of a coach BB is then. However, we can't and the record speaks for itself.

Also if we are going to use the dragged them into the playoffs then the same argument can't be said of BoB and the Texans.

 

[Malloy]

Wouldnt that be some ****. Might as well bring Capers back as DC too that way we can have all 3 of the coaches weve ever had working together haha

So it turns out it wasn't Denver getting Kubiak back into the NFL but the Vikings.

IMO We missed a huge opportunity here, though I doubt we ever even tried to lure him in

 

[Porky]

No need to give Gaine/BOB a chance to put their team .

BOB has had 5 years with heavy input into player acquisition, asst. coaches, etc. He's not getting it done. It was always said about the playoffs that he was handcuffed because he didn't have a decent QB to work with. So, the team gave him Watson and he still sharted his pants. 7 points against the Colts. Roughly a 12 point playoff average under BOB. The worst offense in the NFL this year was the Cardinals, and even they average more points than that. So, his playoff average is worse than the worst of the NFL. Some offensive genius this guy is.

Some of you want to play the "if only" game for eternity. If only he had a QB. If only he had healthy WR's. If only he had a LT or a RT. If he only had his hand picked GM to work with.

I'm beginning to believe this is the Wizard of Oz. If he only had a brain...

5 years in and he still sucks. There is smart patience, and then there is inertia caused by complacency. Barely good is good enough and it always has been with the McNair's and I don't see it changing under Cal sorry to say.

 

[mussop]

Let’s hope next years OL is far from shoddy. Hopefully OL talent acquisition will be far better under Gaine’s leadership

At what point do we stop blaming it on talent acquisition? I mean we’ve spent a fair amount of resources on the OL. Davenport, Rankins, Suafulo, Martin all drafted in the last 4 years. We’ve brought in a crapload of free agents. Allen and Fulton were both really good at KC. Kelemete was good in New Orleans. All these guys have regressed or haven’t improved. At some point the coaching has to get some of the blame. Devlin is the OB of OL coaches. His vanilla ass needs to go to. Adding talent isn’t going to fix the problem if they come here and don’t get good coaching.

 

[gary]

Sure does suck but that’s the way it is. Just keep on hoping that the the team changes or there is a coaching change soon.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Even with better talent acquisition, I expect OBrien to screw it up.

Remember how he moved Davenport to it after playing him at lt all training camp then started Rankin at lt after he missed training camp as a rookie

 

[noxiousdog]

Since O’Brien has been here these coaches have all been hired by other teams and are better than we have:

Very good coaches:

Sean Mcvay
Doug Pederson

Probably, but Pederson got beat in the wild card round this year and struggled to make the playoffs. He had one really awesome year and two mediocre years. His 1/1 QB is average at best. We could wind up with a Tomlin situation.

Kyle Shanahan
Bruce Arians

Meh. Certainly not convincing. Arian's playoff record is 1-2. Shanahan is now 10-22 in the regular season.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Someone must how thought he wasn't doing a good job since he wanted, and was told he was going, to go to Baltimore with the team and was fired a week later. Whether they were right or wrong I couldn't say. I still wish we could look into an alternate reality where Pats never drafted Tom Brady and see how good of a coach BB is then. However, we can't and the record speaks for itself.

Also if we are going to use the dragged them into the playoffs then the same argument can't be said of BoB and the Texans.

Art Modell thought so, he also told Robert Kraft he was making the biggest mistake of his life for hitting Belichick. Huh, ok.

And I wasn't making any kind of argument for or against OB.

 

[maverick512000]

Art Modell thought so, he also told Robert Kraft he was making the biggest mistake of his life for hitting Belichick. Huh, ok.

And I wasn't making any kind of argument for or against OB.

No I know you weren't but others have used the "making the playoffs isn't good enough" argument before. Overall though I stand by what I've been saying, turning the season from 0-3 to making the playoffs earned BoB a one year stay of execution is my book. If we have a good off season, and I'm easy to please off season wise I just want Watson to have some decent protection and maybe one more person that can either catch or run the ball. Then if we still **** the bed I'll be singing a different tune next year. For now though I'm not ready to change the horse mid-stream and yes this is just mid-stream since we are only now seeing what we actually have in Watson.

 

[H_Town_Gaucho]

Texans remind me of the Oilers of old, always knocking on the door, but never kicking it in...It will the same old lame play calling next year unless we get some savant OC...assuming also that Watson survives next year that is..OB is too conservative for me..

 

[ColeThornton]

First hate to be the give you the bad news but most businesses are either built or supported by tax dollars. Ever heard of a govt. small business loan or even a tax break, when wal-mart or Target or other big franchises get built they get incentives from the towns/cities to build there. I can't tell you all the breaks Exxon got for building their new HQ in Spring. So you may not see it but yeah your tax dollars go to a part of pretty much everything built. At least if the owners do their research.

Mine wasn't and I tried to get SBA loan and was turned down. And paying less taxes(tax break) is not the same as using someone elses tax dollars to help build someone elses business, it's not the same thing at all. The government doesn't build stores for Wallmart with tax payer dollars. Besides over 90% of businesses in America have less than 500 employees. The vast majority of them, the government isn't giving them money, in fact the government is a burden to most small businesses they certainly aren't treated like NFL franchises.

Also the tax dollars went to build the stadium, the McNair's don't own the stadium its owned by the Harris County Sports and Convention Corporation, that's why things like the rodeo can be held there. So no you don't have any right to tell them how to run their team which they do own, at the cost of 700 million FYI. If you want to claim to be a part owner of an NFL team go buy some land in Greenbay, their team is owned by the public.

Your completely wrong. I've got every right to say how I think they should run the team and they've got every right to not listen and do whatever they want. You really think, on a Texan message board I don't have the right to say how the team should be run. And once again whether they are tho only ones to use NRG are one of many, it doesn't change the fact that my tax dollars were used for the team.

To your next point, there is nothing in this world that is a foregone conclusion except death and taxes and that last one is still debatable.

That's simply ridiculous, hindsight is 20/20. You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion that the Texans were embarrassed in the playoffs? You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Watson's worse game as a Texan was his last game and that he actually looked better last year before he had more time under the quarterback whisperer. You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion it was stupid to be taking a chance on getting Watson hurt in week 17 when the game was out of reach and O'Brien was calling run plays for him. You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion that O'Brien makes stupid play calls and struggles with clock management and replay challenges. How many examples do you need...

By your way of thinking every team that doesn't make the playoffs or loses the first game in the playoffs is a failure and should fire their coach. You are basing most of your failure argument on one game and yes based just on that he is a failure, but tell me when they were 7 games into the winning streak were you saying they were a failure? You say "be better than 3 teams" has though that's all it takes, well three of the four teams were not better than three teams and the AFC south was the toughest division in all of the NFL this season based solely on win/lose record since that seems to be all that matters.

Were talking about strength of schedule and you want to base it "solely" on win/lose, there's more to it than that. The Texans played the 28th toughest schedule in the league this year. Only three teams had easier schedules. We saw how tough the AFC South was when the only team they could beat in the playoffs was another AFC South team and then were easily beaten by a team from a different division. A division you say wasn't as good as the AFC South(based solely on win/lose record), which now has a team in the AFC Championship game and had another team from their division win a road playoff game.
You really think the AFC South was tougher than the AFC West this year?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

Do you really think the regular season is a better measure of teams and coaches than the playoffs?

In O'brien's time here his average strength of schedule has been 25th. There's been 24 other teams during his tenure that have averaged a tougher schedule than him.

And yes, in the NFL you only have to have a better record than the three other teams(the ones in your division, if you didn't get that), to make the playoffs... another foregone conclusion!

I do agree that he didn't have them ready, and have said as much if you had bothered to read anything I've posted, but I also know that any manager of any business worth the title is the first to come out when things go pear shaped and say "This is on me" whether it is or isn't. Its called being a leader and while I don't think BoB is a good game planner I do think he is a good leader. He doesn't air dirty laundry, takes the blame, at least in public and the team seems to love him. What about the fact that we went 14 points in the hole so fact I honestly though my phone had messed up when it updated the score. BoB doesn't do anything with the defense yet few on here are calling for RACs head. We wouldn't have even played that game if the D could have even slowed Philly down.

Something we agree on. I do think it is admirable to take the blame and cover for your players. I also think if O'Brien were a better teacher, leader, his QB would be following his example and not blaming his teammates. But O'Brien is also defensive, condescending and arrogant. These qualities are not what leaders are made of. Getting mad at reporters for doing there job is uncalled for. Answering their questions is part of his job. To tell someone it's not his job instead of answering the question when it is his job is avoiding the issue, and "not" showing leadership.

Lastly as far as me defending BoB this is what is annoying the hell out of me with all you people just calling for his head. Anyone that doesn't jump right up and join the lynch mob gets called an OB supporter. Maybe, just maybe, its that I don't think all our problems can magically be fixed by just replacing the HC, maybe its because I don't like the idea of waiting another 3-5 years for any new HC to get their system and players in place while Watson and Hopkins lose their prime playing years, maybe its because I'm realistic enough to not expect a coach to be able to pull a championship out of their ass with any players they are given.

I get that, and I don't want to waste more years with O'Brien. We've seen many coaches in this league, even in recent years, do much better than O'Brien in 1-3 years and he's had 5. Let me ask you a simple question and I think it will demonstrate how much confidence you really have in O'Brien. If you had to bet one way or another. Next year his 6th season will O'Brien's Texans finally win a division round playoff game or will we be sitting here again next year having the same discussion?

 

[maverick512000]

Mine wasn't and I tried to get SBA loan and was turned down. And paying less taxes(tax break) is not the same as using someone elses tax dollars to help build someone elses business, it's not the same thing at all. The government doesn't build stores for Wallmart with tax payer dollars. Besides over 90% of businesses in America have less than 500 employees. The vast majority of them, the government isn't giving them money, in fact the government is a burden to most small businesses they certainly aren't treated like NFL franchises.

Never said the Govt. was giving them money, reading is important, I said that they can get tax breaks and loans. I'm sorry you didn't get one but yes when one group, person, business, whatever gets a tax break it does come use someone else's tax dollars. The Govt. is not going to get less money so if one group is getting a tax break another group is getting a tax raise, usually this is in the form of property taxes but this is a football message board not a business message board.

Your completely wrong. I've got every right to say how I think they should run the team and they've got every right to not listen and do whatever they want. You really think, on a Texan message board I don't have the right to say how the team should be run. And once again whether they are tho only ones to use NRG are one of many, it doesn't change the fact that my tax dollars were used for the team.

I'm completely wrong about the stadium or about your rights? As far as the stadium goes no I'm not wrong about who owns it and what tax dollars went to pay for. Go look it up, its controlled by an independent council. I'm sure the McNair's have some major pull with this council but no they do not own the stadium. As far as your rights to say something yeah you are right, you can say it and they can ignore it but that wasn't your original point. You were basically saying they have to listen to you because your tax dollars went to it and that is not true.

That's simply ridiculous, hindsight is 20/20. You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion that the Texans were embarrassed in the playoffs? You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Watson's worse game as a Texan was his last game and that he actually looked better last year before he had more time under the quarterback whisperer. You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion it was stupid to be taking a chance on getting Watson hurt in week 17 when the game was out of reach and O'Brien was calling run plays for him. You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion that O'Brien makes stupid play calls and struggles with clock management and replay challenges. How many examples do you need....

I don't think "Forgone conclusion" means what you think it means.

a foregone conclusion
phrase of foregone

noun: foregone conclusion

1. a result that can be predicted with certainty

You are talking about hindsight, not foregone conclusion. Hindsight is looking at the past, foregone conclusion is looking at the future.

Were talking about strength of schedule and you want to base it "solely" on win/lose, that's ridiculous too. The Texans played the 28th toughest schedule in the league this year. Only three teams had easier schedules. We saw how tough the AFC South was when the only team they could beat was another AFC South team and then were easily beaten by a team from a different division. A division you have the nerve to say wasn't as good as the AFC South(based solely on win/lose record), which now has a team in the AFC Championship game and had a road playoff win with another team from the division.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

Do you really think the regular season is a better measure of teams and coaches than the playoffs?

In O'brien's time here his average strength of schedule has been 25th. There's been 24 other teams during his tenure that have averaged a tougher schedule than him.

And yes, in the NFL you only have to have a better record than the three other teams(the ones in your division, if you didn't get that), to make the playoffs... another foregone conclusion!

First no we were not talking about strength of schedule, that never even came up in any of the posts I was replying to. Second I don't want it based on anything, I was using the frame work that had been set for the argument and that was, to paraphrase, all that matters is wins. Ok from that point of view the AFC South was the only division that had 3 teams with winning seasons. Now you can say that its because all 4 teams suck and you might can make that argument but from a strictly win/lose stand point the AFCS was the strongest division. If you were to show someone the standing that had not watched any games this year or heard anything about any of the teams they would look at the standing and say that the AFCS was the most competitive division. Oh and FYI, yes the division KC is in was weaker than the AFCS overall. The Chiefs and Chargers look good but the Broncos haven't been a threat since 2015 and the Raiders.........yeah.

Also have to take your word on what the website says, its blocked here at work.

Something we agree on. I do think it is admirable to take the blame and cover for your players. I also think if O'Brien were a better teacher, leader, his QB would be following his example and not blaming his teammates. But O'Brien is also defensive, condescending and arrogant. These qualities are not what leaders are made of. Getting mad at reporters for doing there job is uncalled for. Answering their questions is part of his job. To tell someone it's not his job instead of answering the question when it is his job is avoiding the issue, and "not" showing leadership.

Glad we agree overall but I don't agree that the way he deals with reporters is a bad thing. Ever dealt with reporters? Most of them are idiots asking stupid questions that they are going to spin to match the story they have already written. This is something we will have to agree to disagree on.

Edit: Just reread your post and had to ask where did you get bolded from? Only thing I could find was Watson saying HE was to blame for several sacks and in particular the loss to the Titans. Please link me where the quote of him blaming his teammates came from.

I get that, and I don't want to waste more years with O'Brien. We've seen many coaches in this league, even in recent years, do much better than O'Brien in 1-3 years and he's had 5. Let me ask you a simple question and I think it will demonstrate how much confidence you really have in O'Brien. If you had to bet one way or another. Next year his 6th season will O'Brien's Texans finally win a division round playoff game or will we be sitting here again next year having the same discussion?

I've never said years, I've said for over a month now that BoB earned a one year stay of execution due to turning a 0-3 season into a playoff game and division championship because yes, despite what people on here think, those do matter. If we have a good off season, help on the O line and one more player that can catch or run the ball decently, and we still look like this I will agree but most of this "fire O'Brien" stuff the last week is based solely off the emotion of the Colts game and not looking at the season as a whole.

On an entirely different note I love your name, El Dorado was always one of my favorite John Wayne movies. Ride, boldly, ride.

 

[Mr teX]

No one is saying talent isn’t important. You have to have talent. Just having talent isn’t enough in the NFL. You have to be a complete Moron to think that.

You mean a moron who thinks that scheme trumps talent?

 

[Mr teX]

Earl love can be blinding sometimes .

hatred as well.

 

[Max]

Never said the Govt. was giving them money, reading is important, I said that they can get tax breaks and loans. I'm sorry you didn't get one but yes when one group, person, business, whatever gets a tax break it does come use someone else's tax dollars. The Govt. is not going to get less money so if one group is getting a tax break another group is getting a tax raise, usually this is in the form of property taxes but this is a football message board not a business message board.



I'm completely wrong about the stadium or about your rights? As far as the stadium goes no I'm not wrong about who owns it and what tax dollars went to pay for. Go look it up, its controlled by an independent council. I'm sure the McNair's have some major pull with this council but no they do not own the stadium. As far as your rights to say something yeah you are right, you can say it and they can ignore it but that wasn't your original point. You were basically saying they have to listen to you because your tax dollars went to it and that is not true.



I don't think "Forgone conclusion" means what you think it means.

a foregone conclusion
phrase of foregone

noun: foregone conclusion

1. a result that can be predicted with certainty

You are talking about hindsight, not foregone conclusion. Hindsight is looking at the past, foregone conclusion is looking at the future.



First no we were not talking about strength of schedule, that never even came up in any of the posts I was replying to. Second I don't want it based on anything, I was using the frame work that had been set for the argument and that was, to paraphrase, all that matters is wins. Ok from that point of view the AFC South was the only division that had 3 teams with winning seasons. Now you can say that its because all 4 teams suck and you might can make that argument but from a strictly win/lose stand point the AFCS was the strongest division. If you were to show someone the standing that had not watched any games this year or heard anything about any of the teams they would look at the standing and say that the AFCS was the most competitive division. Oh and FYI, yes the division KC is in was weaker than the AFCS overall. The Chiefs and Chargers look good but the Broncos haven't been a threat since 2015 and the Raiders.........yeah.

Also have to take your word on what the website says, its blocked here at work.



Glad we agree overall but I don't agree that the way he deals with reporters is a bad thing. Ever dealt with reporters? Most of them are idiots asking stupid questions that they are going to spin to match the story they have already written. This is something we will have to agree to disagree on.



I've never said years, I've said for over a month now that BoB earned a one year stay of execution due to turning a 0-3 season into a playoff game and division championship because yes, despite what people on here think, those do matter. If we have a good off season, help on the O line and one more player that can catch or run the ball decently, and we still look like this I will agree but most of this "fire O'Brien" stuff the last week is based solely off the emotion of the Colts game and not looking at the season as a whole.

Mine wasn't and I tried to get SBA loan and was turned down. And paying less taxes(tax break) is not the same as using someone elses tax dollars to help build someone elses business, it's not the same thing at all. The government doesn't build stores for Wallmart with tax payer dollars. Besides over 90% of businesses in America have less than 500 employees. The vast majority of them, the government isn't giving them money, in fact the government is a burden to most small businesses they certainly aren't treated like NFL franchises.



Your completely wrong. I've got every right to say how I think they should run the team and they've got every right to not listen and do whatever they want. You really think, on a Texan message board I don't have the right to say how the team should be run. And once again whether they are tho only ones to use NRG are one of many, it doesn't change the fact that my tax dollars were used for the team.



That's simply ridiculous, hindsight is 20/20. You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion that the Texans were embarrassed in the playoffs? You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Watson's worse game as a Texan was his last game and that he actually looked better last year before he had more time under the quarterback whisperer. You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion it was stupid to be taking a chance on getting Watson hurt in week 17 when the game was out of reach and O'Brien was calling run plays for him. You really don't think it's a foregone conclusion that O'Brien makes stupid play calls and struggles with clock management and replay challenges. How many examples do you need...



Were talking about strength of schedule and you want to base it "solely" on win/lose, there's more to it than that. The Texans played the 28th toughest schedule in the league this year. Only three teams had easier schedules. We saw how tough the AFC South was when the only team they could beat in the playoffs was another AFC South team and then were easily beaten by a team from a different division. A division you say wasn't as good as the AFC South(based solely on win/lose record), which now has a team in the AFC Championship game and had another team from their division win a road playoff game.
You really think the AFC South was tougher than the AFC West this year?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

Do you really think the regular season is a better measure of teams and coaches than the playoffs?

In O'brien's time here his average strength of schedule has been 25th. There's been 24 other teams during his tenure that have averaged a tougher schedule than him.

And yes, in the NFL you only have to have a better record than the three other teams(the ones in your division, if you didn't get that), to make the playoffs... another foregone conclusion!



Something we agree on. I do think it is admirable to take the blame and cover for your players. I also think if O'Brien were a better teacher, leader, his QB would be following his example and not blaming his teammates. But O'Brien is also defensive, condescending and arrogant. These qualities are not what leaders are made of. Getting mad at reporters for doing there job is uncalled for. Answering their questions is part of his job. To tell someone it's not his job instead of answering the question when it is his job is avoiding the issue, and "not" showing leadership.



I get that, and I don't want to waste more years with O'Brien. We've seen many coaches in this league, even in recent years, do much better than O'Brien in 1-3 years and he's had 5. Let me ask you a simple question and I think it will demonstrate how much confidence you really have in O'Brien. If you had to bet one way or another. Next year his 6th season will O'Brien's Texans finally win a division round playoff game or will we be sitting here again next year having the same discussion?

Nothing really to add. Just trying to get into Guinness for having the world's longest post by quoting y'alls.

 

[maverick512000]

Nothing really to add. Just trying to get into Guinness for having the world's longest post by quoting y'alls.

What can I say, I work IT so I'm sitting in front of a computer anyway and I'm paid by the hour so I don't mind taking the time to type long posts.

 

[disaacks3]

Either you like O’Brien as a coach or you don’t.

Agree to disagree on this take. I think there's some things he does well. I think there's some things he does poorly. We're allowed to truly despise the things he does poorly.

But, it all comes down to your record.

He's a whopping two games over .500 (42-38 overall)
He's 11-27 vs. teams with a winning record (by end of season)
He's 1-3 in Playoff games (with one of only 5 home-game shutouts in modern NFL history)

 

[Mr teX]

I guess O’Brien can pull the Ricky excuse for the next four years. In the salary cap era, quality depth is hard to find and even harder to keep.

Also, what good is quality depth if the coaches are not using a rotation to maximize the talent? For example, while Coutee was hurt, Carter was part of the game plan. Hopkins is injured, Coutee returns, Texans are running 3 and 4 WR sets, yet Carter disappeared from the game plan. Isn’t Carter quality depth?

Lol, you guys....are idiots. One of the things Eagles DE Chris Long said after the eagles game against us was "We knew they were going to use alot of 7 man protections...." So 3 questions.

Where do u suppose those other 2 men to complete those constant 7 man protections he was referencing were coming from? Could it be a combo of TE & RB? .

Also, do you think the eagles were the only team to notice that we ran alot of 7 man protections?

Finally, why do you think we were running alot of 7 man protects?

I mean what part of being limited by deficiencies elsewhere in maximizing your talent is so hard for you guys to understand? You have to be a complete moron to think that BoB didn't want to use his young athletic TE's more in the passing game. You have to be a straight up dumbass if you think that He wanted to keep his TE's in to help block b/c the o-line was putrid.

As for your other "point", the 3-4th WR option is never going to be apart of your gameplan;not a significant enough part of it to make a difference anyway...& that's with a veteran, credible WR..not some guy you stole off someone's practice squad literally a few weeks prior. The other end of this is Most of those 3-4 option WRs see what, 30-50 receptions a year?...basically 2-3 looks a game...1/2 of those aren't even called plays for them like you would see if they were part of the the gameplan. They are just progression receptions..i.e. the Qb progessed to him as his 3rd read after he was trying to go to the 1st or 2nd read. But then lets talk about a qb being able to "progress" to his 3rd & 4th reads. Do you honestly believe DW4 ever had time to sit back & progress to his 3rd & 4th read? Yeah thought so.

All of this being said.................. THOSE GUYS STILL HAVE TO WIN THEIR MATCH UPS!!! & lets face it, Carter was the #3 WR at the end of the season...but really he was the 6th guy after Fuller then....Coutee.....then Thomas & Smith. There's a reason he was on philly's practice squad. So while yes he was quality depth & i appreciate his contributions, I (nor you) should've expected much from a guy that wouldn't even be on the roster if not for injuries. quality depth means being able to fill in & contribute in a pinch, not completely pick up the production of the incumbent starter.

Ya'll are too dumb to realize that 1/2 of the things that were done on offense & defense were a direct result of their inability to do other things. Limiting DW4's dropbacks......those WR smoke screens that ya'll love....... Trying to run clock as much as you could when you were ahead...all done b/c it was the most effective way to move the ball consisently and win ball games based on the talent they had.

 

[Carr Bombed]

You mean a moron who thinks that scheme trumps talent?

Alex Gibbs' scheme trumped talent almost every year that we employed it here.

 

[mussop]

Lol, you guys....are idiots. One of the things Eagles DE Chris Long said after the eagles game against us was "We knew they were going to use alot of 7 man protections...." So 3 questions.

Where do u suppose those other 2 men to complete those constant 7 man protections he was referencing were coming from? Could it be a combo of TE & RB? .

Also, do you think the eagles were the only team to notice that we ran alot of 7 man protections?

Finally, why do you think we were running alot of 7 man protects?

I mean what part of being limited by deficiencies elsewhere in maximizing your talent is so hard for you guys to understand? You have to be a complete moron to think that BoB didn't want to use his young athletic TE's more in the passing game. You have to be a straight up dumbass if you think that He wanted to keep his TE's in to help block b/c the o-line was putrid.

As for your other "point", the 3-4th WR option is never going to be apart of your gameplan;not a significant enough part of it to make a difference anyway...& that's with a veteran, credible WR..not some guy you stole off someone's practice squad literally a few weeks prior. The other end of this is Most of those 3-4 option WRs see what, 30-50 receptions a year?...basically 2-3 looks a game...1/2 of those aren't even called plays for them like you would see if they were part of the the gameplan. They are just progression receptions..i.e. the Qb progessed to him as his 3rd read after he was trying to go to the 1st or 2nd read. But then lets talk about a qb being able to "progress" to his 3rd & 4th reads. Do you honestly believe DW4 ever had time to sit back & progress to his 3rd & 4th read? Yeah thought so.

All of this being said.................. THOSE GUYS STILL HAVE TO WIN THEIR MATCH UPS!!! & lets face it, Carter was the #3 WR at the end of the season...but really he was the 6th guy after Fuller then....Coutee.....then Thomas & Smith. There's a reason he was on philly's practice squad. So while yes he was quality depth & i appreciate his contributions, I (nor you) should've expected much from a guy that wouldn't even be on the roster if not for injuries. quality depth means being able to fill in & contribute in a pinch, not completely pick up the production of the incumbent starter.

Ya'll are too dumb to realize that 1/2 of the things that were done on offense & defense were a direct result of their inability to do other things. Limiting DW4's dropbacks......those WR smoke screens that ya'll love....... Trying to run clock as much as you could when you were ahead...all done b/c it was the most effective way to move the ball consisently and win ball games based on the talent they had.

Lol I feel sorry for you. Life has to be hard for you.

 

[gary]

Agree to disagree on this take. I think there's some things he does well. I think there's some things he does poorly. We're allowed to truly despise the things he does poorly.

But, it all comes down to your record.

He's a whopping two games over .500 (42-38 overall)
He's 11-27 vs. teams with a winning record (by end of season)
He's 1-3 in Playoff games (with one of only 5 home-game shutouts in modern NFL history)

Do you want him fired at this time? Maybe you have posted the answer already. I am sorry if you have. I agree that you are more than welcome to like some things that Bill does well. I just think if you ultimately believe he should be fired and he is not capable of coaching the team then you probably don’t like him as a head coach overall. Would you agree?

 

[ColeThornton]

On an entirely different note I love your name, El Dorado was always one of my favorite John Wayne movies. Ride, boldly, ride.

Since you asked for the quote- When asked why he had several low throws in the game Watson replied-

"The pressure was there I couldn't step into my throws. It wasn't where I was with a full pocket. Guys was in my face trying to make throws like that, if I can't fully throw, any quarterback not just me can't step into that throw and you know get their full strength with their lower body and get the (in audible) step, alot balls gonna be low, that was just it."

Now obviously he didn't mention anyone by name. And it's also obvious instead of taking the blame for bad throws(and on some of them he had enough of time) he pointed fingers.

Now let me ask you for a quote, you said- "You were basically saying they have to listen to you because your tax dollars went to it and that is not true." Please copy and paste where I said they "have to listen to me", I actually pointed out they didn't have to! I also never said they "owned" the stadium. What I said was "The day they used my tax dollars to build his place of business..." As I'm sure you know, many people don't "own" their place of business... like you said "reading is important".

But the most telling thing is your lack of reply to my simple question...

"If you had to bet one way or the other. Next year his 6th season will O'Brien's Texans finally win a division round playoff game or will we be sitting here again next year having the same discussion?"

Did you miss it? Did I miss your reply? Would you rather not answer?

You don't have to ... "Call it professional courtesy"

 

[Mr teX]

Alex Gibbs' scheme trumped talent almost every year that we employed it here.

Can't take anything away from Gibbs...he is/was a great o-line coach..but he was more of a teacher here as he was not officially listed as the o-line coach when he was here...John Benton was. Gibbs bascially came in for a few years, taught the scheme & Benton coached the o-line through its most successful years under Kubiak. Even then though talent still trumped the scheme.

the o-line upon Gibbs' arrival started out with talented bookends already in place:

Eric Winston 3 years in at RT.......
Duane Brown was drafted the year prior.

In addition to this, Myers was also brought in the same year Gibbs arrived, a guy familiar with the zone blocking scheme from his days in Denver.

But again, it still took a few years for that o-line to come together after Gibbs had already come & gone.

Shouldn't be overlooked that the prototype back for that type of blocking scheme in Foster also burst onto the scene that same year either....

 

[Mr teX]

Lol I feel sorry for you. Life has to be hard for you.

Typical response from someone without any real argument to counter with other than "he sucks!"...

 

[disaacks3]

Do you want him fired at this time? Maybe you have posted the answer already. I am sorry if you have. I agree that you are more than welcome to like some things that Bill does well. I just think if you ultimately believe he should be fired and he is not capable of coaching the team then you probably don’t like him as a head coach overall. Would you agree?

Uhh...

 

[gary]

Uhh...

Yeah so the original quoted post is not that whack. Is it? That is my point.

 

[Texansballer74]

The Colts fired their oline coach.

 

[disaacks3]

Yeah so the original quoted post is not that whack. Is it? That is my point.

I love you man, but let's break down that original quoted post. (which is kinda whack)

Either you like O’Brien as a coach or you don’t.

Not really, there's plenty of folks quite ambivalent on the subject, but you're less likely to find them on a Texans fan board. Here, we expect fervent adoration, or extreme vitriol.

Watch the Texans and deal with him as coach or stop watching the Texans because the rest is out of our control.

No one is required to watch the Texans, required to "deal" with O'Brien, nor to stop if they "don't" want to deal with him. The only folks "dealing with him" as a coach are: his bosses, his coaches, his players, and the media. The only things in "our control" is how to spend our time on gameday, being loud in the stands, and our feedback to the Texans organization. (I figure as long as the $$ keeps flowing, that last one really doesn't matter)

As far as the NFL goes the Texans will always be my favorite team.

That statement is honestly a non sequitur as regards anything O'Brien.

 

[maverick512000]

Since you asked for the quote- When asked why he had several low throws in the game Watson replied-

"The pressure was there I couldn't step into my throws. It wasn't where I was with a full pocket. Guys was in my face trying to make throws like that, if I can't fully throw, any quarterback not just me can't step into that throw and you know get their full strength with their lower body and get the (in audible) step, alot balls gonna be low, that was just it."

Now obviously he didn't mention anyone by name. And it's also obvious instead of taking the blame for bad throws(and on some of them he had enough of time) he pointed fingers.

Now let me ask you for a quote, you said- "You were basically saying they have to listen to you because your tax dollars went to it and that is not true." Please copy and paste where I said they "have to listen to me", I actually pointed out they didn't have to! I also never said they "owned" the stadium. What I said was "The day they used my tax dollars to build his place of business..." As I'm sure you know, many people don't "own" their place of business... like you said "reading is important".

But the most telling thing is your lack of reply to my simple question...

"If you had to bet one way or another. Next year his 6th season will O'Brien's Texans finally win a division round playoff game or will we be sitting here again next year having the same discussion?"

Did you miss it? Did I miss your reply? Would you rather not answer?

You don't have to ... "Call it professional courtesy"

I don't see that as him blaming his team at all, he's stating a fact, the pressure was there and if you can't step into your throws most of them will suck unless you are a Favre type QB. Now if he had said something like "I couldn't get any throws off because the line couldn't give me time" then that would be blaming others. Even then it would be a fair statement but it sounds like to you it is always the fault of the QB if a pass is bad.

As for tax dollars you quoted it yourself by saying build his place of business. They didn't "build his place of business" they built a stadium as part of a plan to convince the NFL to give them a team again and yes BoB McNair was a part of that. However if the Texans left tomorrow the stadium would still belong to the county basically and would still be used. The stadium and the team are connected but there is still a separation between the two and no your tax dollars do not go to the Texans.

Let's look at this another way, Herman park and the zoo were built and are supported by tax dollars. Do you feel you have the right to tell the food vendor what he should serve just because his business is set up in a place built with tax dollars? If so you have an over inflated idea of what your tax dollars allow you have a say in.

For your question, actually yes I did miss it but I don't mind answering. If we have a good off season where we get at least some protection for Watson and one more weapon then yeah I can see us winning the division game and maybe even the AFC championship. Super Bowl I'm not sure on, it will depend on who our opponent is, lot of the NFC is drafting early this year so they will have some shiny new weapons in their aresenal. Of course this is subject to injuries, if, God forbid, Watson or Nuk go down for the season early then no we aren't winning but that's the case for any team really.

 

[DBCooper]

Agree to disagree on this take. I think there's some things he does well. I think there's some things he does poorly. We're allowed to truly despise the things he does poorly.

But, it all comes down to your record.

He's a whopping two games over .500 (42-38 overall)
He's 11-27 vs. teams with a winning record (by end of season)
He's 1-3 in Playoff games (with one of only 5 home-game shutouts in modern NFL history)

Get him an OC and I’m fine with him.....for now.

 

[steelbtexan]

BOB has had 5 years with heavy input into player acquisition, asst. coaches, etc. He's not getting it done. It was always said about the playoffs that he was handcuffed because he didn't have a decent QB to work with. So, the team gave him Watson and he still sharted his pants. 7 points against the Colts. Roughly a 12 point playoff average under BOB. The worst offense in the NFL this year was the Cardinals, and even they average more points than that. So, his playoff average is worse than the worst of the NFL. Some offensive genius this guy is.

Some of you want to play the "if only" game for eternity. If only he had a QB. If only he had healthy WR's. If only he had a LT or a RT. If he only had his hand picked GM to work with.

I'm beginning to believe this is the Wizard of Oz. If he only had a brain...

5 years in and he still sucks. There is smart patience, and then there is inertia caused by complacency. Barely good is good enough and it always has been with the McNair's and I don't see it changing under Cal sorry to say.

Ok

How much input did he have?

How far did any of the rookie qb' go in the playoffs?

Let's let Watson learn like all rookie QB's have to do. He's not Jesus in cleats

 

[gary]

I love you man, but let's break down that original quoted post. (which is kinda whack)

Not really, there's plenty of folks quite ambivalent on the subject, but you're less likely to find them on a Texans fan board. Here, we expect fervent adoration, or extreme vitriol.

No one is required to watch the Texans, required to "deal" with O'Brien, nor to stop if they "don't" want to deal with him. The only folks "dealing with him" as a coach are: his bosses, his coaches, his players, and the media. The only things in "our control" is how to spend our time on gameday, being loud in the stands, and our feedback to the Texans organization. (I figure as long as the $$ keeps flowing, that last one really doesn't matter)

That statement is honestly a non sequitur as regards anything O'Brien.

What I mean is choices are not great and there are not many. Are there? You want to spend your Sunday not watching the Texans then that’s fine. Come back when the new coach is hired or not. It’s up to you or whoever else does that. If you don’t want to support the team with your money until they get better then you don’t have to but they can still be your team without taking your money. Unless you just choose to cheer for another team. The only way your voice will make a difference is if a wide majority of fans join you. How likely is that?

 

[gary]

I love you man, but let's break down that original quoted post. (which is kinda whack)

Not really, there's plenty of folks quite ambivalent on the subject, but you're less likely to find them on a Texans fan board. Here, we expect fervent adoration, or extreme vitriol.

No one is required to watch the Texans, required to "deal" with O'Brien, nor to stop if they "don't" want to deal with him. The only folks "dealing with him" as a coach are: his bosses, his coaches, his players, and the media. The only things in "our control" is how to spend our time on gameday, being loud in the stands, and our feedback to the Texans organization. (I figure as long as the $$ keeps flowing, that last one really doesn't matter)

That statement is honestly a non sequitur as regards anything O'Brien.

What I mean is choices are not great and there are not many. Are there? You want to spend your Sunday not watching the Texans then that’s fine. Come back when the new coach is hired or not. It’s up to you or whoever else does that. If you don’t want to support the team with your money until they get better then you don’t have to but they can still be your team without taking your money. Unless you just choose to cheer for another team. The only way your voice will make a difference is if a wide majority of fans join you. How likely is that?

 

[JB]

Ok

How much input did he have?

How far did any of the rookie qb' go in the playoffs?

Let's let Watson learn like all rookie QB's have to do. He's not Jesus in cleats

Mahomes was basically a rookie, and he's still playing... and Trubisky went a little further

 

[steelbtexan]

BOB has had 5 years with heavy input into player acquisition, asst. coaches, etc. He's not getting it done. It was always said about the playoffs that he was handcuffed because he didn't have a decent QB to work with. So, the team gave him Watson and he still sharted his pants. 7 points against the Colts. Roughly a 12 point playoff average under BOB. The worst offense in the NFL this year was the Cardinals, and even they average more points than that. So, his playoff average is worse than the worst of the NFL. Some offensive genius this guy is.

Some of you want to play the "if only" game for eternity. If only he had a QB. If only he had healthy WR's. If only he had a LT or a RT. If he only had his hand picked GM to work with.

I'm beginning to believe this is the Wizard of Oz. If he only had a brain...

5 years in and he still sucks. There is smart patience, and then there is inertia caused by complacency. Barely good is good enough and it always has been with the McNair's and I don't see it changing under Cal sorry to say.

Ok

How much input did he have?

How far did any of the rookie qb' go in the playoffs?

Let's let Watson learn like all rookie QB's have to do. He's not Jesus in cleats

 

[steelbtexan]

Mahomes was basically a rookie, and he's still playing... and Trubisky went a little further

My point stands

Rookies take time to develope

 

[austins23]

Mahomes was basically a rookie, and he's still playing... and Trubisky went a little further

My point stands

Rookies take time to develope

Mahomes and Trubisky also have legitimate offensive coaches and better offensive lines than ol #4.

 

[ColeThornton]

I don't see that as him blaming his team at all, he's stating a fact, the pressure was there and if you can't step into your throws most of them will suck unless you are a Favre type QB. Now if he had said something like "I couldn't get any throws off because the line couldn't give me time" then that would be blaming others. Even then it would be a fair statement but it sounds like to you it is always the fault of the QB if a pass is bad.

Come on, the minute he said it, everyone knew what the problem was. Our original comments were also in regard to OB. He would have taken the blame and that would have been it. It's minor at this point but we can't have our team leader making excuses.

As for tax dollars you quoted it yourself by saying build his place of business. They didn't "build his place of business" they built a stadium as part of a plan to convince the NFL to give them a team again and yes BoB McNair was a part of that. However if the Texans left tomorrow the stadium would still belong to the county basically and would still be used. The stadium and the team are connected but there is still a separation between the two and no your tax dollars do not go to the Texans.

Well now your just splitting hairs. There's nothing wrong with saying NRG is his place of business. Once again, I never said he "owned" it.

Let's look at this another way, Herman park and the zoo were built and are supported by tax dollars. Do you feel you have the right to tell the food vendor what he should serve just because his business is set up in a place built with tax dollars? If so you have an over inflated idea of what your tax dollars allow you have a say in.

No, and I never said so about the Texans. What I've consistently said is I've got a right to post my opinions on a message board and you seem to think I don't. Why does that concept go over your head. Are you again trying to say I said something I didn't. To make your apples to oranges analogy correct you would have say I didn't have the right to post my opinions on a message board about the Hermann Park Zoo. I think I do and for some reason you don't. Why is that? This is what I said...

"I've got every right to say how I think they should run the team and they've got every right to not listen and do whatever they want. You really think, on a Texan message board I don't have the right to say how the team should be run."

What part of that do you still not understand? What does posting on a message board have to do with talking to a vendor at Hermann Park? You really don't see the difference?

For your question, actually yes I did miss it but I don't mind answering. If we have a good off season where we get at least some protection for Watson and one more weapon then yeah I can see us winning the division game and maybe even the AFC championship. Super Bowl I'm not sure on, it will depend on who our opponent is, lot of the NFC is drafting early this year so they will have some shiny new weapons in their aresenal. Of course this is subject to injuries, if, God forbid, Watson or Nuk go down for the season early then no we aren't winning but that's the case for any team really.

I appreciate the answer and your optimism. I couldn't help but notice you felt compelled to hedge your answer-

1) We have a good off season
2) We get at lest some protection for Watson
3) One more weapon
4) Subject to injuries
5) Watson can't go down
6) Nuk can't go down

You know Mav, many coaches look good when everything goes right? The good coaches get the job done often even when the stars don't line up. Last year we had a 2nd year coach win the SB with a backup QB. OB loses his and they implode!

See I think we'll be sitting here next year having the same discussion and it sounds like to me you're already preparing for it. Earlier you said "making the playoffs earned BoB a one year stay of execution" and now you just listed 6 reasons not to finally make him accountable again next year. We've gotten 17 years of excuses, O'Brien will have had 6 seasons next year, if he can't win a division round game, again, how about, enough is enough finally, no excuses.

I'm confident they'll blow it again next year, you'll be here making excuses, I'll be POd and O'Brien will be headed to his seventh season. And I don't need 6 hedges to make my prediction.

Then we can do it again in 2020!

 

[JB]

My point stands

Rookies take time to develope

Not disagreeing with that, but your contention that Watson was a special case in that he was a rookie qb that took his team to the playoffs this was unmatched was mis-guided. He had more experience (not near the weapons or line though) than Mahomes

 

[JB]

Mahomes and Trubisky also have legitimate offensive coaches and better offensive lines than ol #4.

I know, but wasn't part of SteelB's assertion

 

[JB]

Come on, the minute he said it, everyone knew what the problem was. Our original comments were also in regard to OB. He would have taken the blame and that would have been it. It's minor at this point but we can't have our team leader making excuses.



Well now your just splitting hairs. There's nothing wrong with saying NRG is his place of business. Once again, I never said he "owned" it.



No, and I never said so about the Texans. What I've consistently said is I've got a right to post my opinions on a message board and you seem to think I don't. Why does that concept go over your head. Are you again trying to say I said something I didn't. To make your apples to oranges analogy correct you would have say I didn't have the right to post my opinions on a message board about the Hermann Park Zoo. I think I do and for some reason you don't. Why is that? This is what I said...

"I've got every right to say how I think they should run the team and they've got every right to not listen and do whatever they want. You really think, on a Texan message board I don't have the right to say how the team should be run."

What part of that do you still not understand? What does posting on a message board have to do with talking to a vendor at Hermann Park? You really don't see the difference?



I appreciate the answer and your optimism. I couldn't help but notice you felt compelled to hedge your answer-

1) We have a good off season
2) We get at lest some protection for Watson
3) One more weapon
4) Subject to injuries
5) Watson can't go down
6) Nuk can't go down

You know Mav, many coaches look good when everything goes right? The good coaches get the job done often even when the stars don't line up.

See I think we'll be sitting here next year having the same discussion and it sounds like to me you're already preparing for it. Earlier you said "making the playoffs earned BoB a one year stay of execution" and now you just listed 6 reasons not to finally make him accountable again next year. We've gotten 17 years of excuses, O'Brien will have had 6 seasons next year, if he can't win a division round game, again, enough is enough, no excuses.

But hey, I'm confident they'll blow it again next year, you'll be here making excuses, I'll be POd and O'Brien will be headed to his seventh season.

Then we can do it again in 2020!

I've forgotten what you two space cadets were arguing about

 

[ColeThornton]

I've forgotten what you two space cadets were arguing about

Me too

 

[maverick512000]

Come on, the minute he said it, everyone knew what the problem was. Our original comments were also in regard to OB. He would have taken the blame and that would have been it. It's minor at this point but we can't have our team leader making excuses.



Well now your just splitting hairs. There's nothing wrong with saying NRG is his place of business. Once again, I never said he "owned" it.



No, and I never said so about the Texans. What I've consistently said is I've got a right to post my opinions on a message board and you seem to think I don't. Why does that concept go over your head. Are you again trying to say I said something I didn't. To make your apples to oranges analogy correct you would have say I didn't have the right to post my opinions on a message board about the Hermann Park Zoo. I think I do and for some reason you don't. Why is that? This is what I said...

"I've got every right to say how I think they should run the team and they've got every right to not listen and do whatever they want. You really think, on a Texan message board I don't have the right to say how the team should be run."

What part of that do you still not understand? What does posting on a message board have to do with talking to a vendor at Hermann Park? You really don't see the difference?



I appreciate the answer and your optimism. I couldn't help but notice you felt compelled to hedge your answer-

1) We have a good off season
2) We get at lest some protection for Watson
3) One more weapon
4) Subject to injuries
5) Watson can't go down
6) Nuk can't go down

You know Mav, many coaches look good when everything goes right? The good coaches get the job done often even when the stars don't line up.

See I think we'll be sitting here next year having the same discussion and it sounds like to me you're already preparing for it. Earlier you said "making the playoffs earned BoB a one year stay of execution" and now you just listed 6 reasons not to finally make him accountable again next year. We've gotten 17 years of excuses, O'Brien will have had 6 seasons next year, if he can't win a division round game, again, enough is enough, no excuses.

But hey, I'm confident they'll blow it again next year, you'll be here making excuses, I'll be POd and O'Brien will be headed to his seventh season.

Then we can do it again in 2020!

Woah there cowboy (pun intended) I never said you couldn't post your opinions about anything here, that's for the mods to decide. If you go back, and it's pretty far back at this point, what started all this was you talking about how you had every right to basically tell Cal, and I will agree you said you would never speak to him in person, how to build the team. The whole "on a Texan message board" is a recent addition and was not included in your first post.

As far as hedging my answer I'm sorry were you looking for me to say " yes BoB will win a division game no matter what" that would be stupid on my part. Your expectations are unrealistic if you think any coach can win when the core of the team go out. I will say that without Watson and Hopkins no coach could win with the Texans as they are now, not Belichick, not Payton, not Vince Lombardi rising from his holy grave. Do you really think Belichick would be considered as a great a coach as he is without Tom Brady? You are looking for black and white absolute answers and I'm sorry but the world is very rarely black and white, lots of grey out there.

Also I have never made excuses for BoB or anybody else I've just tried to look at the whole picture without letting emotions get involved. In fact I'm one of the few that said Smith got a raw deal in taking all the blame for the QB carousel we were on. I've also said that I hate BoB as an OC and I don't think he is the QB guru we were promised. However, that doesn't mean I can't see the good points he brings with the bad. Again it's that black and white thing with you, either a person hates BoB and want him gone or they are making excuses for him.

Honestly if they announced tha tBoB was fired tomorrow I wouldn't feel one way or the other about it. My first question would be, ok who are we getting to replace him and how long are we going to be in rebuild mode before they have their system and players in place. I take it back, I would feel some happiness about it because it would mean I would have tons of new threads and posts to read while at work to relieve any boredom I feel in the down time. So yeah from that point of view break out the torches and pitch forks and let's tar and feather his butt shaped chin.

 

[maverick512000]

I've forgotten what you two space cadets were arguing about

Lol yeah me to, I'm having to go back to reread to remember what has been said. Doesn't help I keep forgetting which page it was on so I have to click several of them to find it.

 

[ColeThornton]

Woah there cowboy (pun intended) I never said you couldn't post your opinions about anything here, that's for the mods to decide. If you go back, and it's pretty far back at this point, what started all this was you talking about how you had every right to basically tell Cal, and I will agree you said you would never speak to him in person, how to build the team. The whole "on a Texan message board" is a recent addition and was not included in your first post.

As far as hedging my answer I'm sorry were you looking for me to say " yes BoB will win a division game no matter what" that would be stupid on my part. Your expectations are unrealistic if you think any coach can win when the core of the team go out. I will say that without Watson and Hopkins no coach could win with the Texans as they are now, not Belichick, not Payton, not Vince Lombardi rising from his holy grave. Do you really think Belichick would be considered as a great a coach as he is without Tom Brady? You are looking for black and white absolute answers and I'm sorry but the world is very rarely black and white, lots of grey out there.

Also I have never made excuses for BoB or anybody else I've just tried to look at the whole picture without letting emotions get involved. In fact I'm one of the few that said Smith got a raw deal in taking all the blame for the QB carousel we were on. I've also said that I hate BoB as an OC and I don't think he is the QB guru we were promised. However, that doesn't mean I can't see the good points he brings with the bad. Again it's that black and white thing with you, either a person hates BoB and want him gone or they are making excuses for him.

Honestly if they announced tha tBoB was fired tomorrow I wouldn't feel one way or the other about it. My first question would be, ok who are we getting to replace him and how long are we going to be in rebuild mode before they have their system and players in place. I take it back, I would feel some happiness about it because it would mean I would have tons of new threads and posts to read while at work to relieve any boredom I feel in the down time. So yeah from that point of view break out the torches and pitch forks and let's tar and feather his butt shaped chin.

 

[ColeThornton]

Woah there cowboy (pun intended) I never said you couldn't post your opinions about anything here, that's for the mods to decide. If you go back, and it's pretty far back at this point, what started all this was you talking about how you had every right to basically tell Cal, and I will agree you said you would never speak to him in person, how to build the team. The whole "on a Texan message board" is a recent addition and was not included in your first post.

As far as hedging my answer I'm sorry were you looking for me to say " yes BoB will win a division game no matter what" that would be stupid on my part. Your expectations are unrealistic if you think any coach can win when the core of the team go out. I will say that without Watson and Hopkins no coach could win with the Texans as they are now, not Belichick, not Payton, not Vince Lombardi rising from his holy grave. Do you really think Belichick would be considered as a great a coach as he is without Tom Brady? You are looking for black and white absolute answers and I'm sorry but the world is very rarely black and white, lots of grey out there.

Also I have never made excuses for BoB or anybody else I've just tried to look at the whole picture without letting emotions get involved. In fact I'm one of the few that said Smith got a raw deal in taking all the blame for the QB carousel we were on. I've also said that I hate BoB as an OC and I don't think he is the QB guru we were promised. However, that doesn't mean I can't see the good points he brings with the bad. Again it's that black and white thing with you, either a person hates BoB and want him gone or they are making excuses for him.

Honestly if they announced tha tBoB was fired tomorrow I wouldn't feel one way or the other about it. My first question would be, ok who are we getting to replace him and how long are we going to be in rebuild mode before they have their system and players in place. I take it back, I would feel some happiness about it because it would mean I would have tons of new threads and posts to read while at work to relieve any boredom I feel in the down time. So yeah from that point of view break out the torches and pitch forks and let's tar and feather his butt shaped chin.

 

[steelbtexan]

Mahomes and Trubisky also have legitimate offensive coaches and better offensive lines than ol #4.

Quoted for truth

 

[steelbtexan]

Woah there cowboy (pun intended) I never said you couldn't post your opinions about anything here, that's for the mods to decide. If you go back, and it's pretty far back at this point, what started all this was you talking about how you had every right to basically tell Cal, and I will agree you said you would never speak to him in person, how to build the team. The whole "on a Texan message board" is a recent addition and was not included in your first post.

As far as hedging my answer I'm sorry were you looking for me to say " yes BoB will win a division game no matter what" that would be stupid on my part. Your expectations are unrealistic if you think any coach can win when the core of the team go out. I will say that without Watson and Hopkins no coach could win with the Texans as they are now, not Belichick, not Payton, not Vince Lombardi rising from his holy grave. Do you really think Belichick would be considered as a great a coach as he is without Tom Brady? You are looking for black and white absolute answers and I'm sorry but the world is very rarely black and white, lots of grey out there.

Also I have never made excuses for BoB or anybody else I've just tried to look at the whole picture without letting emotions get involved. In fact I'm one of the few that said Smith got a raw deal in taking all the blame for the QB carousel we were on. I've also said that I hate BoB as an OC and I don't think he is the QB guru we were promised. However, that doesn't mean I can't see the good points he brings with the bad. Again it's that black and white thing with you, either a person hates BoB and want him gone or they are making excuses for him.

Honestly if they announced tha tBoB was fired tomorrow I wouldn't feel one way or the other about it. My first question would be, ok who are we getting to replace him and how long are we going to be in rebuild mode before they have their system and players in place. I take it back, I would feel some happiness about it because it would mean I would have tons of new threads and posts to read while at work to relieve any boredom I feel in the down time. So yeah from that point of view break out the torches and pitch forks and let's tar and feather his butt shaped chin.

Man that's a fvck load of typing

 

[Texansballer74]

Since you asked for the quote- When asked why he had several low throws in the game Watson replied-

"The pressure was there I couldn't step into my throws. It wasn't where I was with a full pocket. Guys was in my face trying to make throws like that, if I can't fully throw, any quarterback not just me can't step into that throw and you know get their full strength with their lower body and get the (in audible) step, alot balls gonna be low, that was just it."

Now obviously he didn't mention anyone by name. And it's also obvious instead of taking the blame for bad throws(and on some of them he had enough of time) he pointed fingers.

Now let me ask you for a quote, you said- "You were basically saying they have to listen to you because your tax dollars went to it and that is not true." Please copy and paste where I said they "have to listen to me", I actually pointed out they didn't have to! I also never said they "owned" the stadium. What I said was "The day they used my tax dollars to build his place of business..." As I'm sure you know, many people don't "own" their place of business... like you said "reading is important".

But the most telling thing is your lack of reply to my simple question...

"If you had to bet one way or the other. Next year his 6th season will O'Brien's Texans finally win a division round playoff game or will we be sitting here again next year having the same discussion?"

Did you miss it? Did I miss your reply? Would you rather not answer?

You don't have to ... "Call it professional courtesy"

Just go back and look at the Colts verses Chiefs game again. Luck couldn't step into a lot of his throws. Then go check out Rivers verses the Patriots. Same freaking thing. Watson is spot on. And both the Colts and Chargers have better offensive lines correct. Lol