infantrycak
Hall of Fame
There's no rational argument Schaub wouldn't have given the Texans a much better chance in a 7 pt game.
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There's no rational argument Schaub wouldn't have given the Texans a much better chance in a 7 pt game.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Why does BOB Critic == Kubiak Fan?
Kubiak was our last coach, with alot of similar players BOB has today, so it's only natural to compare the two.
I admit I was a Kubiak fan, but I'm also a BOB fan. TBH, I'll be a fan of whoever is leading the Texans.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
BTW, I mostly replied to your post because I was shocked to see you say you were a "Big Schaub Fan". In another post, you mentioned Rick's biggest failure was taking 12 years to find a QB. Rick got Schaub in his 2nd year.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Exactly. It's like presidents, they're always going to be compared to their predecessors.
Ricky Ricky Ricky!
I'm not the guy living in the what of world
But, what if the McNair's actually put winning first and foremost instead making money first and foremost?
And you're different than the fans I'm describing.
You left off "trying to do so with mostly choir boys".
McNair never wanted a legacy of bad boys, and it affected every draft (and FA period) we've ever had.
It'll be interesting to see if there's any movement on that front.
You can be a Schaub fan and still draft another QB high. In fact I hope the Texans draft another QB in the QB rich 2020 draft even though they have Watson.
You can be a Schaub fan and still draft another QB high. In fact I hope the Texans draft another QB in the QB rich 2020 draft even though they have Watson.
But he never got and Kubiak never developed a quality backup, even after Schaub's injury for how many years?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Yet you default to him shitting the bed.
Sometimes you just need to take the L and move on.
The Texans are a very good run defense even with Watt and Clowney moving around. The Colts aren't a good running team even with Luck and Hilton lighting teams up. Dare them to run because we already know they can beat the Texans passing.
Are you suggesting allow them to run so they don't beat you passing?
Can't be true. We fixed the safety position.
txtx
Waterboy
Daring & allowing are different things. The Ravens dare others to run by blitzing a ton. The Texans have done well blitzing this season, especially taking QBs down to push teams out of FG range, a Crennel specialty. I could see us blitzing twice as much and winning in part due to that.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Have you seen the Ravens playing D at the end vs the Browns? They went cover zero when most teams would play contain and went and won that game because of it.
I just caught up on some highlights last night and I really liked what I saw with that. Every Texans team I've ever known goes bend-dont-break at that point giving the impression that the break is inevitable.
Surreal McCoy
Rookie
What I find fascinating about this thread is how people would rather talk about 2011 and the Schaubless Texans hypothetical rather the current team (hint: it's not good). I agree, those couple of seasons are as close as we've been to having a respectable team.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Ravens defense is enough for them to have another miracle run through the playoffs. They are that good. They have a smart, instinctual coach in Harbaugh and have found that playing with a modern NFL QB is much better than having that statue back in the pocket. Smart team, tough as nails. I like them alot.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
You're late to the party buddy! At this point this forum has spiraled into a Bill vs Koobs and Rick Smith vs Brian Gaine useless and counterproductive argument because there is a following here that Bill OBrien and Brian Gaine have that feel they are INFALLIBLE and have not made any mistakes and quite literally walk on water, while the previous regime left this team in such a bad state that it has taken 5 years to recover - most of the stuff is just blatant op ed type jargon filled with rhetoric and baseless anecdotes that border on professional trolling.
Use your 'ignore' feature! Its kind of a relief to log on and see 'ignored member' everywhere! LOL .. I've found that just blocking these guys is easier than getting sucked into their 'fake logic' .. even guys who I have really enjoyed reading and exchanging with, it has all gone down hill. I've decided to block and then reassess after the playoffs, and for some of those guys its just as good too, they dont have to listen to me respond to their hot takes. Win - Win and the site keeps a positive vibe and has progressive discussion.
You'll figure out who is who fairly quick .. Have fun!
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I assume you are referring to .e.
Nobody is infalable.
Are the Texans in a better place than they've been in a decade? Yes
Look at the record.
The Ravens aren't winning the SB this year.
BTW, how many of these modern QB's have won SB's?
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To answer the OP's question he must've looked in the mirror.
Texas Jake
Rookie
You're late to the party buddy! At this point this forum has spiraled into a Bill vs Koobs and Rick Smith vs Brian Gaine useless and counterproductive argument because there is a following here that Bill OBrien and Brian Gaine have that feel they are INFALLIBLE and have not made any mistakes and quite literally walk on water, while the previous regime left this team in such a bad state that it has taken 5 years to recover - most of the stuff is just blatant op ed type jargon filled with rhetoric and baseless anecdotes that border on professional trolling.
Use your 'ignore' feature! Its kind of a relief to log on and see 'ignored member' everywhere! LOL .. I've found that just blocking these guys is easier than getting sucked into their 'fake logic' .. even guys who I have really enjoyed reading and exchanging with, it has all gone down hill. I've decided to block and then reassess after the playoffs, and for some of those guys its just as good too, they dont have to listen to me respond to their hot takes. Win - Win and the site keeps a positive vibe and has progressive discussion.
You'll figure out who is who fairly quick .. Have fun!
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I don't think O'Brien is infallible. Sure he makes mistakes, all HCs do at times. What bothers me is posters who focus solely on his mistakes and define him by them. 11-5 in arguably the toughest division in football, #3 seed, and all after starting 0-3. You have to give him some credit for that - he must be doing something right.
Gaine looks good so far, but the verdict is still out. It will be at least three years until we can begin to make a accurate assessment of him.
I grow tired of the BOB vs Kubiak stuff. I was supportive of both and who cares who is the better coach. BOB is the current coach and Kubiak's days of coaching are over.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Don't be too sure, he may be back on the Denver sideline this season. Not as HC, but he & Elway are discussing a role.
Not sure about your use of "modern." Young & Staubach would like to say hi.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Nope, this board had gotten to the point where it was going to give Obrien the benefit of the doubt for the most part. As soon as some of the critical voices started to allow for the beneficial discussion it turned into "Bill did this all with horrible talent, and no offensive line, and a shitty defense, and previous GM/coach who left the team in disarray." See how outlandish and subjective that kind of mentality is? I appreciate your response by the way.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
If Kubiak made his intention of coaching again, he would be signed IMMEDIATELY! I'd like to see Koobs go coach Baker Mayfield .. that would be a match made in heaven. Denver will always be home to Koobs and good for him hopefully he hold up another trophy - couldnt happen to a better coach/person. Him and Dick Vermeil are my favorite coaches.
Texas Jake
Rookie
Would love to see him coaching again, but his health issues concern me.
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Just out of curiosity why does almost every thread turn into a Kubiak topic?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Because he is the immediate past HC of the team. It's just like presidents. Their predecessors will frequently be brought up.
That's why I don't think HC is a consideration.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
To be fair, I’ve only noticed two blind BOB supporters on this board. I think majority on here are rational.
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Fair enough, just was curious.
Your underwear must be getting sticky.
The 70's/80's say hi.
I here Sammy Baugh was a pretty mobile QB.
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Because BOB has done as good as Kubiak did here and some people are butthurt.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Rational!! There is the word. When you have few guys flooding the board with useless drivel it hinders any progress. I had gotten to the point where I avoided any Bill OBrien criticism (being one of the worst ones admittedly) until after the year and a TBD mindset, but day after day, just incessant horseshit, and made up facts and convenient truths .. just too much for me too deal with honestly. Better i just ignore those guys and move on, no big deal.
I dont propose a one sided argument ever, I actually invite a debate when I dont understand or may have over reacted, but its just gotten to where it isnt fun for me. I try and provide the board with tangible, credible factoids, and relevant data so that educated hypothesis' can be made and we as a collaborative unit/effort can show visitors and anyone who tunes in for 'Texan Talk' that we actually explore all the possibilities and are an informed fanbase, but its turned into an embarassing display of dick measuring and idiocracy and im going to excuse myself from it moving forward.
..who just happened to have won a Superbowl at this next head coaching stop...My OPINION is that there be significantly less Kubiak talk if that event had not happened...Can't prove this nor have any interest in frustrating myself trying.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That's certainly possible. Probably heightened by the declarations he wouldn't get another HC job & was incapble of coaching a SB team.
Shishkabob
All Pro
see I never thought that way, but I did think it was time to move on. Sometimes just moving on is best for both parties, he got to take a step back probably realized somethings he was doing wrong, maybe learned some lessons under another SB winning HC, Harbaugh, and then went on to have success.
ah yes, I remember those, and the even sillier Kubiak might not even get an OC job as I recall.
markn
All Pro
Not really Kubiak's SB for me. I wasn't that interested in comparing BO'B and Kubiak until we picked up Watson. But now I can't help it.
BO'B said he'd spend the entire off season designing an offense around Watson's skill set. What I see is no better than the make-it-up-as-you go offense which Watson ran so effectively for his starts in 2017. Man, I'd have loved to see what Kubiak would have done with these tools. ZBS running game plus play action heavy passing game with bootlegs galore. Watson could really thrive in that environment.
I get the impression BO'B doesn't really want a DW style QB, and would be much happier with a traditional pocket passer running the system he knows. Boringly effective, perhaps.
This team is crying out for an OC with a creative, expansive system that can exploit Watson's unique qualities. I don't want BO'B to fail, I want him to wake up to the possibilities we have here and throw off the shackles.
Here's a factoid for you
Under Gaine/BOB's leadership the Texans had the 2nd most succesful regular season in franchise history and if they win on Saturday they will have matched their most successful season in franchise history.
They managed to fill several holes on the roster without having 1st/2nd rd picks and while he's been great it hasn't all been just Watson and RAC. Whether you want to admit this or not.
I'm not sure if this post was directed at me or not but felt the need to reply to your post.
You like the OL?
Look at the WR/TE corps and tell me how they compare to other teams in the playoffs. He** most on here want Miller to be gone. Yes they need an influx of new talent.
And other than Ricky hitting on Watson after 12 yrs on the job he finally hit on a QB. Wooo Hoo!!!!! He also hit on Hopkins but look at the rest of that draft and you will see if your honest with yourself that Ricky wasn't very good at his job. That draft was a microcosm of Ricky's tenure here and if that's good enough for you so be it but the Texans are in a better place today than they were the day Ricky walked out of the building on Kirby.
He ain't going to be running the ZBS only scheme. He will use it some.
I think and disagree with how BOB used Watson last game. (See I dont agree with everything BOB does.) But he definitely took the shackles off of Watson last game. (He's getting ready for the playoffs.)
Do you expect a high or low scoring game?
Because that's what Cak is actually best at.
Let's throw in some dog references/pics and then it's all out Hurricane/Boat thread.
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Hey steelB, is it true you knew Baugh in HS ?