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State of the O-line

steelbtexan said:
Dont you remember the article that says the Texans have the cleanest team in the league? Of course you do, look up arrest records of NFL teams and tell me where the Texans rank. Not that that's a bad thing, but they need to take a chance on a couple of guys with character flaws a yr. IMHO What interests me is that the Browns have decided to go this route and added 2 of my favorite projects in the draft this yr. (Callaway/Harrison) Also signed Randall in FA. I cant wait to see how much the Browns improve next season. Even with Taylor who's very avg at QB.

I do, and nothing has changed, even with Gaine at GM. That comes as a dierctive from the top.
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Just out of curiosity... what do you think of what the Browns did on their OL this offseason with Joe Thomas retiring and the RT play beforehand already being subpar. Did they do enough to protect their QBs?
 
Bwhahaha the Browns will still be one of the bottom dwellers in the NFL. Amazing how you can look forward to their improvements and not ours. Too funny
 
steelbtexan said:
Dont you remember the article that says the Texans have the cleanest team in the league? Of course you do, look up arrest records of NFL teams and tell me where the Texans rank. Not that that's a bad thing, but they need to take a chance on a couple of guys with character flaws a yr. IMHO What interests me is that the Browns have decided to go this route and added 2 of my favorite projects in the draft this yr. (Callaway/Harrison) Also signed Randall in FA. I cant wait to see how much the Browns improve next season. Even with Taylor who's very avg at QB.

I do, and nothing has changed, even with Gaine at GM. That comes as a dierctive from the top.
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Here's a site that keeps a running count on such things (http://nflarrest.com/). The SB champs only have 3 more guys than we do. Sooooo seems like having a 'clean' team might be a good thing.
And why is this a 'thing' with you anyway?
 
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The interior of the OL is fine and they have depth. They drafted Corbett who was the best RT in the draft. They are hoping Shaun Colman can play LT. Ok f he can't they will move Botonip put to LT where he will be serviceable. I also have a few hopes for Harrison. Ok tat take him a year to figure things out. But if he stays out of trouble he was the most physically gifted OT in the draft. IMHO.
 
JB said:
You know the OL didn't have anything to do with Watson getting hurt last year, right? Sure it was a fluke that they didn't, but nothing can be done to limit all possibilities of injuries in the NFL
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It's simply numbers, the amount of hits he took caught up to him.
 
ObsiWan said:
Here's a site that keeps a running count on such things (http://nflarrest.com/). The SB champs only have 3 more guys than we do. Sooooo seems like having a
'clean' might be a good thing.
And why is this a 'thing' with you?
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I just want the most talented team possible. 3 more talented guys sounds about right. Instead of the Corey Moore, Lamm's a f the world you get talented guys that may fail but it will not be sldie to lack of talent. Kind of like Jimmy Johnson did it.
 
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steelbtexan said:
There will be some other type of fluke if he keeps getting hit on most plays next yr.

We will be having this same discussion all over again.
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Did he get hit on most plays last year? Didn't seem like it.

I know the OL isn't where we want it but still can we see what we have before we declare a disaster? May be a disaster, but neither you nor PFF nor Florio know for sure yet
 
JB said:
Did he get hit on most plays last year? Didn't seem like it.

I know the OL isn't where we want it but still can we see what we have before we declare a disaster? May be a disaster, but neither you nor PFF nor Florio know for sure yet
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Thank you
 
JB said:
Did he get hit on most plays last year? Didn't seem like it.

I know the OL isn't where we want it but still can we see what we have before we declare a disaster? May be a disaster, but neither you nor PFF nor Florio know for sure yet
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Yep, and I hope I'm wrong. The OL will be better next yr. But when people who do this for a living talk in terms of the worst OL in the league again and the Texans are sitting on 30 mil in cap space it should make you wonder. I said the same thing last yr.

Meanwhile McNair is sitting on 30 mil in unused cap space.
 
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amazing80 said:
Now many hits did Watson take during his run and how does that compare to the league during that same time period? Unless we have those numbers everyone is purely guessing.
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I'm guessing since they had the worst OL in the NFL it would make sense that he took more than most.
 
amazing80 said:
Not if he gets rid of the ball quickly. Which he did. You’re running your mouth every chance you get that he sustained more hits. So prove it.
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LOL

I just hope he backup OL are better than last yrs OL.

I'm just saying the OL was terrible and Watson got hit alot last yr. He was great when he had time though.

BTW, I'm not letting you waste my time. Check out PFF if you want to know the answer.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, and I hope I'm wrong. The OL will be better next yr. But when people who do this for a living talk in terms of the worst OL in the league again and the Texans are sitting on 30 mil in cap space it should make you wonder. I said the same thing last yr.

Meanwhile McNair is sitting on 30 mil in unused cap space.
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yeah, but cap space is not cash
 
amazing80 said:
Not if he gets rid of the ball quickly. Which he did. You’re running your mouth every chance you get that he sustained more hits. So prove it.
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You also can do what I'm doing right now and see how many hits he took in the HIGHLIGHT package.
 
JB said:
yeah, but cap space is not cash
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Good thing it rolls over because Gaine is going to need the $$$$ to clean up Ricky's mess.

If they weren't going to use the cap room they should've kept Os and the 2nd rd pick.

It screams of $$$$ being priority #1,#2,#3 etc...
 
steelbtexan said:
Good thing it rolls over because Gaine is going to need the $$$$ to clean up Ricky's mess.

If they weren't going to use the cap room they should've kept Os and the 2nd rd pick.

It screams of $$$$ being priority #1,#2,#3 etc...
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Or it looks like a HC & GM who are totally simpatico disagreeing with you and you screaming.
 
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amazing80 said:
A guess. I don’t want to hear your guess. Give me numbers. Show me facts that he took more hits.
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During the 1st 6 games Brady was the most hit QB last season. Lol Rodgers and Big Ben have taken a beating throughout their NFL careers. Rodgers has had some awful offensive lines but he's held up for quite some time.

I don't know why ole buddy continues to beat that dead horse into the ground. He doesn't even know how this offensive line will perform. And why is he so worried about what McNair has in his bank account. Too funny, we should be glad he didn't over spend.
 
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steelbtexan said:
It's not helping the team.

It's probably sitting in an annuity collecting interest.
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If it doesn't help this year it will help next year.
Next year's cap + this year's carryover = total cap available for next year. So we'll have $30 mil extra (plus how ever much the cap goes up) to spend next year. We'll need it since Clowney, K-Jax, Blue, and Ellington will be UFAs and all those one-year deals (Mathieu, Henderson) will have to be renegotiated. Just maybe Gaine is keeping some $$$$ aside so we can be competitive when those prove-it deals expire.

The salary cap is more like accounting voodoo than actual, bankable money. So there's no "collecting interest". The owners got their operating (bankable) money off the top as part of the salary cap formula.
 
ObsiWan said:
Just this year.... On paper at least, they've improved the O-line and secondary. But then, there was nowhere to go but up.
Oh and just WTF does "premium" mean anyway? ...formally on the Patriots??
LINK
Tyrann Mathieu, S
The Texans signed safety Tyrann Mathieu, who played the past five years for the Arizona Cardinals.....:​

Grade: A. While the Texans made moves early in free agency, they hadn’t made a big splash, particularly considering how much money they had available to upgrade a roster that was plagued by injury in going 4-12 in 2017. Houston made that big move for a playmaker Friday night by signing Mathieu to a one-year, $7 million deal.

What it means: The Texans needed a strong safety to play along with Andre Hal next season, and they found that in Mathieu. The former LSU standout will start right away and should be a difference-maker if he can stay healthy. Mathieu has a nose for the ball and should help a Texans defense that tied for 21st last season with 11 interceptions.

Johnathan Joseph, CB
The Texans re-signed Joseph, who has played for them for the past seven season...​
Grade: B. This grade depends a lot on whether the Texans add another cornerback to improve their secondary. Joseph was the Texans’ best corner last year, but he turns 34 in April. If this is the last move the Texans make at cornerback, then bringing back Joseph and adding slot corner Aaron Colvin may not be enough to solve their problems in the secondary.

What it means: Last season, the Texans’ passing defense took a big step back after losing cornerback A.J. Bouye to the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Texans are still in need of another veteran cornerback unless Houston believes 2015 first-round pick Kevin Johnson, who finished ranked No. 121 out of 121 cornerbacks last season by Pro Football Focus, can have a resurgent year.

Zach Fulton, G
The Texans intend to sign Fulton, who played the past four years for the Kansas City Chiefs. Here’s a closer look at the signing:
Grade: A. The Texans desperately needed an upgrade at guard in 2018 and they have that in Fulton. The former Chiefs lineman was Pro Football Focus’ 14th-ranked guard in 2017. By comparison, for the Texans last season, left guard Xavier Su’a-Filo ranked 75th and right guard Jeff Allen ranked 69th.
What it means: The Texans have to do a better job protecting quarterback Deshaun Watson next season, and Fulton joins former Buffalo Bills tackle Seantrel Henderson as a step toward doing that. Fulton will likely replace Su’a-Filo, who struggled last season in Houston and is an unrestricted free agent. Last season, the Texans' offensive line allowed the second-most sacks in the NFL. After Houston traded starting left tackle Duane Brown in Week 9, the line allowed 28 sacks, which was tied for most in the NFL in that span, according to ESPN Stats & Information.
What’s the risk: Fulton is not an injury risk, as he has missed only one game in his four-year NFL career. The lineman’s versatility makes him an attractive signing. The Texans have their starting center in Nick Martin, but the third-year player is coming off ankle surgery. Martin is expected to be back for the regular season, but adding Fulton is good insurance at center as well.​

Senio Kelemete, OG
The Texans signed guard Senio Kelemete, who played the past four seasons with the New Orleans Saints.
Grade: B. The overhaul of the Texans' offensive line continued Wednesday with the addition of Kelemete. Kelemete was a part of the Saints’ line that led the NFL in yards per rush (4.7) and yards per pass attempt (8.1) last season, and the 27-year-old has a chance to compete for a starting spot in Houston.
What it means: The Texans once again went for versatility by adding Kelemete, who spent time at all five offensive-line positions in his four seasons with the Saints. The Texans have now added guards Zach Fulton and Kelemete during free agency and have right guard Jeff Allen on the roster. Those three will compete for the two guard spots, but if Kelemete plays well during OTAs and training camp, the Texans will find a place for him somewhere on the line.

Kelemete was Pro Football Focus’ 41st-ranked guard last season; Fulton ranked 14th. Both rated much higher than Allen (69th) or left guard Xavier Su'a-Filo(75th), who is an unrestricted free agent.
What’s the risk: It’s hard to tell how much of a risk this is without knowing the terms of the contract; regardless, adding competition for the spots on the offensive line is a good thing for the Texans. Kelemete has stayed healthy throughout his career, missing just one game in the past three seasons while starting 22.​

Aaron Colvin, CB
The Texans intend to sign cornerback Aaron Colvin, who played the past four years for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Here's a closer look at the signing:

Grade: A-minus. The Texans desperately needed to upgrade their secondary after the group's fall from the No. 1 passing defense in 2016 to 24th last season. Adding Colvin doesn't mean Houston is done adding at cornerback and this move is a step in the right direction to improving Romeo Crennel's defense.
What it means: The Texans entered the offseason with Kareem Jackson, 2015 first round pick Kevin Johnson and 2017 fifth-round pick Treston Decoud at cornerback as their best corner a year ago, Johnathan Joseph, is a free agent. Colvin is a slot cornerback, which is the position that Jackson, 29, played primarily for Houston. Bill O'Brien has praised Jackson for his versatility, so it's possible Houston could move the longtime Texans player to safety next season. According to Pro Football Focus, Colvin was the 47th-ranked cornerback in 2017, which was higher than any Texans player at that position.​

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According to this assessment, we had a pretty good off season. Now these additions have to produce.
 
ObsiWan said:
If it doesn't help this year it will help next year.
Next year's cap + this year's carryover = total cap available for next year. So we'll have $30 mil extra (plus how ever much the cap goes up) to spend next year. We'll need it since Clowney, K-Jax, Blue, and Ellington will be UFAs and all those one-year deals (Mathieu, Henderson) will have to be renegotiated. Just maybe Gaine is keeping some $$$$ aside so we can be competitive when those prove-it deals expire.

The salary cap is more like accounting voodoo than actual, bankable money. So there's no "collecting interest". The owners got their operating (bankable) money off the top as part of the salary cap formula.
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Saving $$$$ to sign KJX/Blue/Ellington. That sh!t is funny.

Hopefully next yrs FA class is better and they decide to spend the $$$$ in FA. History says they wont. I do agree Gaine has a 2-3 project on his hands to cleanup Ricky's mess. So maybe that's the way he looked at it and next yrs FA class is better so that's when he wants to invest in the FA market. But that would require forward thinking, something the Texans org has never been known for, so I'm just going to go with the they're being cheap.
 
infantrycak said:
Or it looks like a HC & GM who are totally simpatico disagreeing with you and you screaming.
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Really, dont look at the facts.

Just attack the poster.

Good job of deflecting though. while they didn't use the 30 mil to improve the team. That 30 mil is really going to improve the team next yr. Maybe that 30 mil can play some LT.
 
steelbtexan said:
Really, dont look at the facts.

Just attack the poster.

Good job of deflecting though. while they didn't use the 30 mil to improve the team. That 30 mil is really going to improve the team next yr. Maybe that 30 mil can play some LT.
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What attack?

You've got to look up deflection. That was straight on.

You have presented no facts. Just you would have done otherwise. You have zilch to say McNair exerted any influence. None. The ordinary conclusion is moves are made by the HC & GM.
 
infantrycak said:
What attack?

You've got to look up deflection. That was straight on.

You have presented no facts. Just you would have done otherwise. You have zilch to say McNair exerted any influence. None. The ordinary conclusion is moves are made by the HC & GM.
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So that 30 mil is going to play LT next yr.
 
infantrycak said:
That's 100% you with no evidence to even go there.
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Neither do you

But I do know they've been under the cap significantly the last 2 yrs and didn't participate in FA last yr which lead to 4-12. Do you think Ricky just traded Os for a 2nd rd pick (Saving McNair millions) without McNair's blessings?

Then ask yourself why didn't they participate in FA last yr like every other team in the NFL. There's a pattern developing here, even though I'm sure you will put your blinders on and twist things around to see them the way that fits your agenda.
 
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infantrycak said:
Ordinary responsibilities. Their job descriptions. That's their job. So no, not nothing. You're the one claiming some deviation from every word spoken or written about how they operate.
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So now they're ordinary responsibilities.

Trading Os and saving millions while losing a 2nd rd pick was an ordinary responsibility. That came from the top and you know it regardless if I didn't sit in on the meeting with the McNair's/Ricky/BOB.

But nice spin though. I will give you that.

You're so predictable.
 
You're refusing to see trends in the Texans org over the past 15 yrs.

I notice that you have deleted our little name calling spat. Good job.

Are you currently happy with how the Texans org/McNair's go about the business of putting the best product possible on the field?
 
steelbtexan said:
Saving $$$$ to sign KJX/Blue/Ellington. That sh!t is funny.

Hopefully next yrs FA class is better and they decide to spend the $$$$ in FA. History says they wont. I do agree Gaine has a 2-3 project on his hands to cleanup Ricky's mess. So maybe that's the way he looked at it and next yrs FA class is better so that's when he wants to invest in the FA market. But that would require forward thinking, something the Texans org has never been known for, so I'm just going to go with the they're being cheap.
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I threw Ellington/Blue/K-Jax in there because their contracts will be up. Who knows who they'll actually re-sign. The point is they'll have X extra dollars in addition to next year's cap figure to make moves. How many moves/who they actually sign is up to O'Gain-ien (just doesn't work as well as Smithiak does it?). :D

@CnnnD... I threw out the $30 mil cap carryover number because that's the figure SteelB has been throwing around. I just checked Spotrac for the Texans' carryover and there are two numbers: The top 51 number is $29 mil and the 'count everybody' figure is $9 mil. I'm a little confused as to which one is actually the bottom line number.
interesting note: We are one of only six teams that aren't in the hole on the 'count everybody' cap number.
 
ObsiWan said:
I threw Ellington/Blue/K-Jax in there because their contracts will be up. Who knows who they'll actually re-sign. The point is they'll have X extra dollars in addition to next year's cap figure to make moves. How many moves/who they actually sign is up to O'Gain-ien (just doesn't work as well as Smithiak does it?). :D

@CnnnD... I threw out the $30 mil cap carryover number because that's the figure SteelB has been throwing around. I just checked Spotrac for the Texans' carryover and there are two numbers: The top 51 number is $29 mil and the 'count everybody' figure is $9 mil. I'm a little confused as to which one is actually the bottom line number.
interesting note: We are one of only six teams that aren't in the hole on the 'count everybody' cap number.
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No it doesn't work as well.

I read on PFT the number is 29 mil. I rounded up.
 
Found a site dedicated to only the Texans salary cap; imaginatively named TexansCap.com

http://texanscap.com/team-salary-cap-space/2018-salary-cap-space/

The final cap carryover number can't be computed until after the final cuts are made.

Projected Team Cap Space (updated July 16, 2018)
Top 51 Rule Projection
Contracts - - - - - - - - - 90
NFL Salary Cap- - - - - - - $177,200,000
Team Carryover- - - - - - - - $9,949,210
Team Adjustment - - - - - - - $5,195,554
Effective Cap - - - - - - - $192,344,764
OTA Workout Debt- - - - - - - - $619,200
Top 51 Rule Spending- - - - $150,864,902
Practice Squad - - - - - - - - - - - -$0
Injured Reserve- - - - - - - - - - - -$0
Dead Money - - - - - - - - - -$6,298,404
Estimated Cap Space $- - - - -34,562,258
Notes:
Does not include pending Jeff Allen injury settlement amount.
All reported transactions included.

next years projected cap is here...
http://texanscap.com/team-salary-cap-space/2019-salary-cap-space/

Edit: Sorry about the cap number derailment. You may resume arguing about how much the O-line sucked last year and predicting how much it will suck this year.
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Just a quick comment about the above. From my understanding, the carry-over $ is a set amount.........set on the 1st day of the next League year, which in this case was after March 14.
 
ObsiWan said:
Found a site dedicated to only the Texans salary cap; imaginatively named TexansCap.com

http://texanscap.com/team-salary-cap-space/2018-salary-cap-space/

The final cap carryover number can't be computed until after the final cuts are made.

Projected Team Cap Space (updated July 16, 2018)
Top 51 Rule Projection
Contracts - - - - - - - - - 90
NFL Salary Cap- - - - - - - $177,200,000
Team Carryover- - - - - - - - $9,949,210
Team Adjustment - - - - - - - $5,195,554
Effective Cap - - - - - - - $192,344,764
OTA Workout Debt- - - - - - - - $619,200
Top 51 Rule Spending- - - - $150,864,902
Practice Squad - - - - - - - - - - - -$0
Injured Reserve- - - - - - - - - - - -$0
Dead Money - - - - - - - - - -$6,298,404
Estimated Cap Space $- - - - -34,562,258
Notes:
Does not include pending Jeff Allen injury settlement amount.
All reported transactions included.

next years projected cap is here...
http://texanscap.com/team-salary-cap-space/2019-salary-cap-space/

Edit: Sorry about the cap number derailment. You may resume arguing about how much the O-line sucked last year and predicting how much it will suck this year.
:tiphat:
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This top of the line stuff right here. Great find
 
steelbtexan[QUOTE="ObsiWan said:
Found a site dedicated to only the Texans salary cap; imaginatively named TexansCap.com

http://texanscap.com/team-salary-cap-space/2018-salary-cap-space/

The final cap carryover number can't be computed until after the final cuts are made.

Projected Team Cap Space (updated July 16, 2018)
Top 51 Rule Projection
Contracts - - - - - - - - - 90
NFL Salary Cap- - - - - - - $177,200,000
Team Carryover- - - - - - - - $9,949,210
Team Adjustment - - - - - - - $5,195,554
Effective Cap - - - - - - - $192,344,764
OTA Workout Debt- - - - - - - - $619,200
Top 51 Rule Spending- - - - $150,864,902
Practice Squad - - - - - - - - - - - -$0
Injured Reserve- - - - - - - - - - - -$0
Dead Money - - - - - - - - - -$6,298,404
Estimated Cap Space $- - - - -34,562,258
Notes:
Does not include pending Jeff Allen injury settlement amount.
All reported transactions included.

next years projected cap is here...
http://texanscap.com/team-salary-cap-space/2019-salary-cap-space/

Edit: Sorry about the cap number derailment. You may resume arguing about how much the O-line sucked last year and predicting how much it will suck this year.
:tiphat:
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Good job bro. Damn good find!
 
ObsiWan said:
Found a site dedicated to only the Texans salary cap; imaginatively named TexansCap.com

http://texanscap.com/team-salary-cap-space/2018-salary-cap-space/

The final cap carryover number can't be computed until after the final cuts are made.

Projected Team Cap Space (updated July 16, 2018)
Top 51 Rule Projection
Contracts - - - - - - - - - 90
NFL Salary Cap- - - - - - - $177,200,000
Team Carryover- - - - - - - - $9,949,210
Team Adjustment - - - - - - - $5,195,554
Effective Cap - - - - - - - $192,344,764
OTA Workout Debt- - - - - - - - $619,200
Top 51 Rule Spending- - - - $150,864,902
Practice Squad - - - - - - - - - - - -$0
Injured Reserve- - - - - - - - - - - -$0
Dead Money - - - - - - - - - -$6,298,404
Estimated Cap Space $- - - - -34,562,258
Notes:
Does not include pending Jeff Allen injury settlement amount.
All reported transactions included.

next years projected cap is here...
http://texanscap.com/team-salary-cap-space/2019-salary-cap-space/

Edit: Sorry about the cap number derailment. You may resume arguing about how much the O-line sucked last year and predicting how much it will suck this year.
:tiphat:
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Great find, thanks

Sorry about my posts predicting the OL would suck last yr and although it will be better it's still going to be below avg next yr and that's if they stay healthy. Hopefully Watson will be able to avoid injury. Watching those highlights of last season it amazed me that he was able to perform and avoid the rush like he did. My question is he going to be able to do that again coming off a 2nd ACL?

BTW, I hope McNair chokes on that $$$$.
 
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