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State of the O-line

More "good" news for the O-line! :sarcasm:

https://www.chron.com/sports/texans...-Martinas-Rankin-recovering-from-12988621.php

Doc, any word on what this might be and the long term outlook?
Most likely a metatarsal fracture............conservatively, an 8-10 week recovery. The fracture occurred during Texans rookie minicamp (mid May). Hopefully they didn't try to rehab a stress fracture if that is what it was first without surgery........seldom works, especially on a big lineman. If surgery was delayed trying to rehab, just lost time.
 
Most likely a metatarsal fracture............conservatively, an 8-10 week recovery. The fracture occurred during Texans rookie minicamp (mid May). Hopefully they didn't try to rehab a stress fracture if that is what it was first without surgery........seldom works, especially on a big lineman. If surgery was delayed trying to rehab, just lost time.

Following this team since day one, that's exactly what they did. They always try to take the shortcut and they end up just making matters worse.
 
Following this team since day one, that's exactly what they did. They always try to take the shortcut and they end up just making matters worse.
Is this the same across the entire league though or only our Texans?

It's a similar thing when people are off sick from work though, get rushed back and it gets made difficult for them if light duties are required etc. Leading to more time off in the near future.
 
32. HOUSTON TEXANS
2017 pass-blocking efficiency: 67.0

Best individual PBE: Nick Martin, 96.7

Last on this list are the Texans, who fielded a historically bad offensive line in 2017. They allowed the most sacks (35), the third-most hits (36) and the most hurries (182) among NFL offensive lines, ending the year with a cumulative pass-blocking efficiency of 67.0 – the lowest mark ever recorded in the PFF era. To go along with that, the Texans allowed one pressure every 2.38 pass-block snaps, one sack every 17.2 pass-block snaps and allowed their quarterback to get either sacked or hit once every 8.5 pass-block snaps, all of which rank dead last among the league’s offensive lines. Heading into the 2018 season, it can only get better.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-offensive-lines-by-pass-blocking-efficiency
 
This cannot be allowed to continue if they wish to keep a healthy qb.
I really can't understand it as OB is a run the ball coach and you can't do that effectively if your oline sucks.
I give them a pass on Duane Brown, but they could have taken a second olineman at 3.98 instead of Akin as a couple decent prospects were still on the board at the time.
I am hopeful they can still pull off a trade before the deadline.
 
This cannot be allowed to continue if they wish to keep a healthy qb.
I really can't understand it as OB is a run the ball coach and you can't do that effectively if your oline sucks.
I give them a pass on Duane Brown, but they could have taken a second olineman at 3.98 instead of Akin as a couple decent prospects were still on the board at the time.
I am hopeful they can still pull off a trade before the deadline.

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I just hope by some kind of miracle Watson can stay healthy this yr and next offseason Gaine will use FA (Doubtful because the Texans never spend top $$$$ in FA) and the draft to fix the OL. That or Davenport becomes the player we want him to become. (I have my doubts)

I could actually see Kalemete spending quite a bit of time at LT next season.
 
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I just hope by some kind of miracle Watson can stay healthy this yr and next offseason Gaine will use FA (Doubtful because the Texans never spend top $$$$ in FA) and the draft to fix the OL. That or Davenport becomes the player we want him to become. (I have my doubts)

I could actually see Kalemete spending quite a bit of time at LT next season.
Now that Rankin has gone down with an injury, Texans may be forced to do something a little more drastic.
I wonder if they can pull a rabbit out of the hat with a nice prospect from someone's practise squad...
 
Now that Rankin has gone down with an injury, Texans may be forced to do something a little more drastic.
I wonder if they can pull a rabbit out of the hat with a nice prospect from someone's practise squad...

Maybe Rankins can get healthy and win a job in TC. Foot injuries to a big man are hard to overcome.

How many nice prospects do you see getting cut? A rare few.
 
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I just hope by some kind of miracle Watson can stay healthy this yr and next offseason Gaine will use FA (Doubtful because the Texans never spend top $$$$ in FA) and the draft to fix the OL. That or Davenport becomes the player we want him to become. (I have my doubts)

I could actually see Kalemete spending quite a bit of time at LT next season.
They were close with Nate Solder but he wasn't coming here because of his wife; Nate alluded to it in his presser
 
They were close with Nate Solder but he wasn't coming here because of his wife; Nate alluded to it in his presser

And the fact that the Texans weren't willing to pay more than the NYG's.?

Other than the JoJo/Manning yr (which helped lead to the best 3 yrs in franchise history) when have the Texans org ever landed top tier FA's
 
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Maybe Rankins can get healthy and win a job in TC. Foot injuries to a big man are hard to overcome.

How many nice prospects do you see getting cut? A rare few.
One thing that Smith did do pretty well was snag good players from other team's practice squads.
Let's hope Gaine can do the same.
 
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I just hope by some kind of miracle Watson can stay healthy this yr and next offseason Gaine will use FA (Doubtful because the Texans never spend top $$$$ in FA) and the draft to fix the OL. That or Davenport becomes the player we want him to become. (I have my doubts)

I could actually see Kalemete spending quite a bit of time at LT next season.


I think this illustrates our fatal flaw. O'Brien does not seem to understand the value of a good offensive line. I sometimes wonder if there is no one he will listen to at draft time. Year after year, draft after draft, we watch him take defense players or sparklys, one after the other. It seems that there are not enough really talented linemen to satisfy the needs of all 32 teams .... so the good ones go very early. 2019 will be our 18th draft. Duane Brown is still the only O Lineman we have ever selected in the first round .... and they traded down to #26 to pick him. The only 2nd round picks ever used on offensive line were Chester Pitts, Xavier Su'a Filo, and Nick Martin. Every year I watch teams who have far better lines than we do, draft one or 2 studs for their line. They enjoy much greater success than we do. I really don't know if O'Brien is stubborn .... or stupid !
 
They were close with Nate Solder but he wasn't coming here because of his wife; Nate alluded to it in his presser

And the fact that the Texans weren't willing to pay more than the NYG's.?

Other than the JoJo/Manning yr (which helped lead to the best 3 yrs in franchise history) when have the Texans org ever landed top tier FA's

Putting these two things together, Solder wasn't coming to the Texans. Once the money gets to the highest paid at a position ever, the 'other' things i.e. location and the wife come into play, more than they normally would. Other words, the player was in control and more money, more money isn't buying the dude (or better dude's wife) off.

Now, that assumes that the Texans' offer and wife desire things are actually both accurate...we really don't know.

Anyway, placing your team in position to have the whims of one guy making or breaking free agency is a more important core issue for me than yes or no by Solder.
 
Putting these two things together, Solder wasn't coming to the Texans. Once the money gets to the highest paid at a position ever, the 'other' things i.e. location and the wife come into play, more than they normally would. Other words, the player was in control and more money, more money isn't buying the dude (or better dude's wife) off.

Now, that assumes that the Texans' offer and wife desire things are actually both accurate...we really don't know.

Anyway, placing your team in position to have the whims of one guy making or breaking free agency is a more important core issue for me than yes or no by Solder.

Agreed

Which is one reason why Ricky no longer has an office down on Kirby.

I say that you make the best offer and have Solder and his wife say no.

Looking back on this if Watson can stay healthy the best way to go about things is the way Gaine did this offseason. Fix the secondary, and give Watson more weapons to work with. Then fix the OL next offseason.

If Watson gets hurt again then this plan will have blown up in their faces. The Texans org as a whole have a lot riding on Watson staying healthy next yr.
 
The Texans have claimed OT Roderick Johnson off of waivers from the Browns, per league source.

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) June 20, 2018
It is really difficult to find any update on his injury.
CBSSports claims he "was waived in order to make room for the signing of Greg Robinson."
This says three things to me:
1. He was not ever going to be ready for 2018 season thus the drafting of GR.
2. What exactly was the injury?
3. Just how long is it going to be before he is ready?
 
It is really difficult to find any update on his injury.
CBSSports claims he "was waived in order to make room for the signing of Greg Robinson."

Lol, Here's a article about him possibly starting in absence of Joe Thomas that just came out yesterday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dawgpo...-roderick-johnson-steal-left-tackle-spot/amp/

Sounds a lot like Julie'n Davenport...raw player with great physical attributes for the position to develop. If he's healthy it's worth kicking the tires. For what it's worth he was projected as a 3rd round pick and was the 7th ranked tackle by NFL draft scout.
 
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I think this illustrates our fatal flaw. O'Brien does not seem to understand the value of a good offensive line. I sometimes wonder if there is no one he will listen to at draft time. Year after year, draft after draft, we watch him take defense players or sparklys, one after the other. It seems that there are not enough really talented linemen to satisfy the needs of all 32 teams .... so the good ones go very early. 2019 will be our 18th draft. Duane Brown is still the only O Lineman we have ever selected in the first round .... and they traded down to #26 to pick him. The only 2nd round picks ever used on offensive line were Chester Pitts, Xavier Su'a Filo, and Nick Martin. Every year I watch teams who have far better lines than we do, draft one or 2 studs for their line. They enjoy much greater success than we do. I really don't know if O'Brien is stubborn .... or stupid !

Sparkly is a good way of putting it.

Strong
Ervin
Braxton
Foreman
Fiedo

That's a lot of third round picks. And yes injuries happen but that's why many teams don't pick RBs high.

This year: Aikens (can't block) and Coutee (4th round)

A bunch of late round guys too: Mumphery, Prosch, Blue, Hilliard and TE project Thomas this year.

Lamar Miller hasnt exactly lived up to this contract either.

How about a little more OL going forward?
 
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It is really difficult to find any update on his injury.
CBSSports claims he "was waived in order to make room for the signing of Greg Robinson."
It is really difficult to find any update on his injury.
CBSSports claims he "was waived in order to make room for the signing of Greg Robinson."
This says three things to me:
1. He was not ever going to be ready for 2018 season thus the drafting of GR.
2. What exactly was the injury?
3. Just how long is it going to be before he is ready?

Johnson was IRed after he sustained a Grade III MCL tear and a medial meniscus tear.

Someone asked me if he had retired in 2015. But it was another Roderick Johnson, who coincidentally was an OT for the Florida Gators, not the Florida State Seminoles. This Roderick Johnson in 2015 offseason with the Gators had a horrific collision during a scrimmage after which for a short time, he was unable to feel anything anywhere on his body and he was unable to move any of his limbs. The injury was originally reported as a neck "stinger." A little later, an MRI was taken and revealed that he had a congenital narrowing of his cervical spinal canal known as cervical spinal stenosis. With such narrowing, the spinal cord itself is not given much protection from abnormal movement. He was advised that pursuing a football career could be potentially very tragic. A player with such an injury is always just one hit away from quadriplegia (paralysis from the neck down [of all 4 limbs]). This same condition ended the career of Cooper Manning, Peyton and Eli's elitely talented brother.
Within a month of the diagnosis, he retired and began coaching.
 
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Lol, Here's a article about him possibly starting in absence of Joe Thomas that just came out yesterday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dawgpo...-roderick-johnson-steal-left-tackle-spot/amp/

Sounds a lot like Julie'n Davenport...raw player with great physical attributes for the position to develop. If he's healthy it's worth kicking the tires. For what it's worth he was projected as a 3rd round pick and was the 7th ranked tackle by NFL draft scout.

Rotoworld draft review

Johnson (6’7/299) turned pro after making 31 starts at left tackle in Tallahassee. He earned the Jacobs Blocking Trophy as both a sophomore and junior, awarded to the ACC’s top offensive lineman. While Johnson’s college accolades look impressive on paper, he is a frustrating player on tape. He struggled in pass protection while excelling in the run game, but doesn’t have the body type of a dominant NFL run blocker. Johnson also tested as a disappointing 26th-percentile athlete at the Seminoles’ Pro Day. Johnson offers freaky-long arms (36") and ample theoretical upside, but he may need a year of hard NFL coaching before realizing it. Sat, Apr 29, 2017 02:44:00 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/12373/roderick-johnson
 
Rotoworld draft review

Johnson (6’7/299) turned pro after making 31 starts at left tackle in Tallahassee. He earned the Jacobs Blocking Trophy as both a sophomore and junior, awarded to the ACC’s top offensive lineman. While Johnson’s college accolades look impressive on paper, he is a frustrating player on tape. He struggled in pass protection while excelling in the run game, but doesn’t have the body type of a dominant NFL run blocker. Johnson also tested as a disappointing 26th-percentile athlete at the Seminoles’ Pro Day. Johnson offers freaky-long arms (36") and ample theoretical upside, but he may need a year of hard NFL coaching before realizing it. Sat, Apr 29, 2017 02:44:00 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/12373/roderick-johnson

I have absolutely no faith in Devlin being competent enough to provide that coaching. Hope I'm pleasantly surprised
 
I have absolutely no faith in Devlin being competent enough to provide that coaching. Hope I'm pleasantly surprised

The good news with this signing is that it demonstrates that the front office recognizes the roster weakness at tackle and are actively looking for potential upgrades in June, not just waiting until late August to discover the lack of depth at a position as has been typical under the Rick Smith regime (see safety position for a decade).
 
The good news with this signing is that it demonstrates that the front office recognizes the roster weakness at tackle and are actively looking for potential upgrades in June, not just waiting until late August to discover the lack of depth at a position as has been typical under the Rick Smith regime (see safety position for a decade).

Good to see you back Dale
 
https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...ine-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2018

32. HOUSTON TEXANS
PROJECTED STARTING LINEUP:
Left Tackle: Julie’n Davenport, 47.6 overall grade
Left Guard: Zach Fulton, 68.8
Center: Nick Martin, 44.9
Right Guard: Senio Kelemete, 48.3
Right Tackle: Martinas Rankin, 71.1* (2017 college grade)


2017 season-end rank: 32nd (no change)

After fielding one of the worst offensive lines we’ve seen in the PFF era, there’s little reason to think they’ll rank anything other than 32nd again this upcoming season. While injuries certainly played a role – and it’s likely center Nick Martin could bounce back from an ugly 44.9 overall grade last season – they’ve pinned their hopes to other team’s castoffs and a fourth-rounder from 2017 to protect Deshaun Watson.
 
The good news with this signing is that it demonstrates that the front office recognizes the roster weakness at tackle and are actively looking for potential upgrades in June, not just waiting until late August to discover the lack of depth at a position as has been typical under the Rick Smith regime (see safety position for a decade).
Honestly Dale Stevie Wonder could make that recognition so Dale please give me a stronger endorsement of our new GM Gaines on his ability to discover position weaknesses
within the Texans' roster.
 
https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...ine-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2018

32. HOUSTON TEXANS
PROJECTED STARTING LINEUP:
Left Tackle: Julie’n Davenport, 47.6 overall grade
Left Guard: Zach Fulton, 68.8
Center: Nick Martin, 44.9
Right Guard: Senio Kelemete, 48.3
Right Tackle: Martinas Rankin, 71.1* (2017 college grade)


2017 season-end rank: 32nd (no change)

After fielding one of the worst offensive lines we’ve seen in the PFF era, there’s little reason to think they’ll rank anything other than 32nd again this upcoming season. While injuries certainly played a role – and it’s likely center Nick Martin could bounce back from an ugly 44.9 overall grade last season – they’ve pinned their hopes to other team’s castoffs and a fourth-rounder from 2017 to protect Deshaun Watson.
That's bulletin board material if there's any such thing.
 
https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...ine-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2018

32. HOUSTON TEXANS
PROJECTED STARTING LINEUP:
Left Tackle: Julie’n Davenport, 47.6 overall grade
Left Guard: Zach Fulton, 68.8
Center: Nick Martin, 44.9
Right Guard: Senio Kelemete, 48.3
Right Tackle: Martinas Rankin, 71.1* (2017 college grade)


2017 season-end rank: 32nd (no change)

After fielding one of the worst offensive lines we’ve seen in the PFF era, there’s little reason to think they’ll rank anything other than 32nd again this upcoming season. While injuries certainly played a role – and it’s likely center Nick Martin could bounce back from an ugly 44.9 overall grade last season – they’ve pinned their hopes to other team’s castoffs and a fourth-rounder from 2017 to protect Deshaun Watson.

This is the picture I've been trying to paint since FA/Draft ended.

Meanwhile the Jags go out and sign All pro Norwell and the Colts draft Nelson/Smith to help protect Luck. I'm afraid nothing has really changed down on Kirby.
 
https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...ine-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2018

32. HOUSTON TEXANS
PROJECTED STARTING LINEUP:
Left Tackle: Julie’n Davenport, 47.6 overall grade
Left Guard: Zach Fulton, 68.8
Center: Nick Martin, 44.9
Right Guard: Senio Kelemete, 48.3
Right Tackle: Martinas Rankin, 71.1* (2017 college grade)


2017 season-end rank: 32nd (no change)

After fielding one of the worst offensive lines we’ve seen in the PFF era, there’s little reason to think they’ll rank anything other than 32nd again this upcoming season. While injuries certainly played a role – and it’s likely center Nick Martin could bounce back from an ugly 44.9 overall grade last season – they’ve pinned their hopes to other team’s castoffs and a fourth-rounder from 2017 to protect Deshaun Watson.


Rankin is already down for the count with an injury. So he won't be starting at RT.
 
This is the picture I've been trying to paint since FA/Draft ended.

Meanwhile the Jags go out and sign All pro Norwell and the Colts draft Nelson/Smith to help protect Luck. I'm afraid nothing has really changed down on Kirby.


The picture won't be clear until at least midway through the season. Four potentially new starting offensive linemen and some of you guys are still jumping off the deep end. Let it play out first before dooming it a failure.
 
I think the Texans will 2 of the first 3 picks to fortify OL next draft. But I don’t think they will be the worst OL in the NFL next season IF DW4 stays healthy...

Which is odd to say considering they directly effect his health.... but that’s the difference a good QB can make on the OL!
 
I think the Texans will 2 of the first 3 picks to fortify OL next draft. But I don’t think they will be the worst OL in the NFL next season IF DW4 stays healthy...

Which is odd to say considering they directly effect his health.... but that’s the difference a good QB can make on the OL!
Are there O-line studs worthy of being picked in rds 1-2 in the next draft?
I flat don't know, so I'm asking the draftniks.
I guess my point is that I'd hate to see us pass on stud talent at another position to force O-line picks.
 
The picture won't be clear until at least midway through the season. Four potentially new starting offensive linemen and some of you guys are still jumping off the deep end. Let it play out first before dooming it a failure.

I thought we weren't responding to each other.

I prefer it that way.
 
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Are there O-line studs worthy of being picked in rds 1-2 in the next draft?
I flat don't know, so I'm asking the draftniks.
I guess my point is that I'd hate to see us pass on stud talent at another position to force O-line picks.

Yes there are 3-4 good OT's in the upcoming draft. Adams/Little/Dillard are better than anything currently playing OT for the Texans. IMHO


I wonder if there will be any above avg LT's in FA? Not that the Texans will sign one.
 
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Looks like Kelemete gets his chance to be a full time starter from the start of training camp. Lets hope him concentrating on one position allows him to elevate his play!

Kelemete has an interesting and very colorful history as a versatile football player.

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One shape fits all: Senio Kelemete is the rare peg that can fit any hole on Saints offensive line
  • Oct 28, 2017 - 2:45 pm

For half a decade now, the New Orleans Saints have held the rights to a rare and priceless artifact, the sort of magical relic most of the other 31 NFL teams spend years trying to find.

New Orleans has the rare peg that fits any hole. Whether the hole is a square, a circle, a triangle, even a trapezoid, this peg always fits, almost always better than anybody could have expected and on short notice.

Senio Kelemete can be anything the New Orleans offensive line needs him to be.

"I don’t think there’s a limit to his abilities," Saints left tackle Terron Armstead said. "You got a guy like Senio that can play six positions, from left tackle all the way to the tight end, his value is outrageous, maybe the most value on the team."

Kelemete is ostensibly a guard, the position the NFL lists on his official profile page, but labeling Kelemete a guard is a little bit like calling Apple's most popular product the iPhone: those expensive but irresistible blocks of technology can do an awful lot more than make calls, send texts and record the occasional voicemail.

New Orleans lists Kelemete as a center-guard, a little more accurate but somehow still far away from telling the entire story.

Kelemete is the answer to any question the Saints face on the offensive line. If any one of the five starters on the offensive line go down due to injury, Kelemete can fill the spot, not just because of talent but also experience.

"That just amazes me," right guard Larry Warford, the injured starter Kelemete will likely replace in the starting lineup on Sunday against the Bears, said. "To be able to do that is uncommon."

Kelemete has spent his entire career doing this.

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Tackle is the first position Kelemete ever played on the offensive line, but Evergreen High in Seattle needed him to do so many things at once that it feels like a footnote.

Kelemete played both ways, flipping back and forth from left to right tackle on offense and defensive end to linebacker on the other side of the ball as he led Evergreen to its first appearance in the state playoffs since 2001. He wrestled for the Wolverines, he threw the discus; Kelemete looked every bit like the type of driven athlete that often ends up playing at the professional level.

The reality is Kelemete might have left his potential unrealized if his coach hadn't intervened during his sophomore year.

"To be honest, I was just playing football because of my boys," Kelemete said. "It was just a thing to do. I didn’t want to go back home, so I played ball, and then my high school coach sat me down and was like, 'If you take it serious, you can play at the next level.'"

Kelemete's apathy turned to action, both on the field and in the classroom.

The next thing he knew, he was stepping onto Washington's campus, but not as an offensive lineman. Kelemete began his Huskies career as a defensive tackle and spent his entire freshman season at the position, making four starts.

He seemed headed for a career spent chasing quarterbacks.

Then Steve Sarkisian arrived. Sarkisian, who'd cut his coaching teeth under Pete Carroll at USC, wanted more athleticism on his offensive line and approached Kelemete about making the move.

For the first time in his career, Kelemete set all of his attention on the offensive line, specifically at right guard.

"I didn’t see myself playing on the offensive side at all, so when I made that switch, it was definitely a lot harder," Kelemete said. "I feel like as a defensive lineman, you’re always pushing off your toes, getting off the ball. I feel like an offensive lineman, it’s more like a patience game, know when to be aggressive, know when to be patient."
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Jeff Allen has been released with an injury settlement

per NFL Network

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Allen was nothing to write about mind you. Bad signing? Maybe BUT! Experience and depth matter so much at the O-line. Now we both have none.

I really am starting to think we SHOULD REALLY SHUT DOWN WATSON. FAKE AN INJURY OR SOMETHING until we know what we field in the o-line that is NFL worthy.

We are risking serious regression and 2nd injury on what could be a HOF cause we just cant get the O-line right.


The medical staff needs to be investigated. They seems to be not doing any kind of due delligence. Rankin needing surgery? We draft him. We release Allen just before training camp and not way before when we had chance to add more linemen.
 
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