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PapaL said:
Looks like our entire draft class has been signed.

Texans Sign Entire Draft Class
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/05/texans-sign-entire-draft-class

As a busy Thursday for rookie signings winds down, the Texans don’t have any more work to do on this front. They reached agreements with each member of their draft class Thursday night, Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reports.


Aaron Wilson‏@AaronWilson_NFL

Texans have finalized contracts with their entire rookie draft class
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Well I guess that's the only benefit of not having a 1st or 2nd round pick.
 
TexansBull said:
Tell me again why you aren’t a GM if you have all the answers? If your crystal ball can tell the future give me winning lottery numbers.

For real you knock them for not getting FAs. When they do you say they aren’t the ones you want. You say they don’t spend money in FA, but when they do you say it’s not enough. You say they aren’t willing to outbid another team for a player in FA, but when they do you STILL aren’t happy.

You are just targeting Solder because you know they were bidding for him, but we were never a realistic option given his sons treatment and his desire to stay close to his current hospital. This is the same player people said would/could consider retirement. And do you think he is 100% focused? Do you think his attention could be elsewhere? It’s even the possibility he retired early.

You are being obtuse.
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Great response, the old why aren't you a GM routine, Yes, I wanted them to sign Solder, after it became apparent that Solder wouldn't come here, I wanted them to sign Norwell. (Keeping in part with my motto I just want them to sign/draft the most talented players, (Not a bunch of backups.) that shouldn't be so hard for you to understand.) But you dont want hear any of that because you are happy with the way the old man is running the franchise and I'm not. That's not going to change and everything else we talk about is just going around in circles and frankly a waste of time.
 
steelbtexan said:
Great response, the old why aren't you a GM routine, Yes, I wanted them to sign Solder, after it became apparent that Solder wouldn't come here, I wanted them to sign Norwell. (Keeping in part with my motto I just want them to sign/draft the most talented players, (Not a bunch of backups.) that shouldn't be so hard for you to understand.) But you dont want hear any of that because you are happy with the way the old man is running the franchise and I'm not. That's not going to change and everything else we talk about is just going around in circles and frankly a waste of time.
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Norwell was one of the first people signed when legal tampering began. Solder was later.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Norwell was one of the first people signed when legal tampering began. Solder was later.
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The point for me over the chase for Solder was that it was a one man OT free agency. Solder was connected to the Texans early and often, but seemingly allowed other teams to enter...i.e. he wasn't really sold on coming to the Texans. Anyway, I think Solder did the Texans a favor by not choosing to sign with us. Not a fan of paying an average to good player, the most ever a position. Chances are he will never live to that contract.

My surprise was that the Texans went from Solder to a 1 year 'show me' contract with Henderson. Even in a "bad" free agency class of OTs, there would seemed to be some middle ground that could be had. I am not a wannabe GM, so I can't name game the who with any sort of conviction.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The point for me over the chase for Solder was that it was a one man OT free agency. Solder was connected to the Texans early and often, but seemingly allowed other teams to enter...i.e. he wasn't really sold on coming to the Texans. Anyway, I think Solder did the Texans a favor by not choosing to sign with us. Not a fan of paying an average to good player, the most ever a position. Chances are he will never live to that contract.
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You could very well be right. It might be fortunate we missed on him.

or

We might get miserable pass protection and another lost year by DW4. If it plays out that way we'll pay any amount next year.
 
powda said:
You could very well be right. It might be fortunate we missed on him.

or

We might get miserable pass protection and another lost year by DW4. If it plays out that way we'll pay any amount next year.
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Yep...this is why none of this is easy...especially when it is my name and decisions in actual execution versus having the answers on a message boards
 
powda said:
Not sure if/why this post is directed at me. Seems like you picked up on a string of posts between cak and I but didn't see the origin and maybe missed the context?

Your post is fairly traditional ideology in building a team and I agree with it.
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Just picked up on the theme of the conversation about what's the "right way" to build a winning team.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With virtually no previous football experience, he was carried on our PS last season and will be trying to show what he's learned beginning with minicamp.
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I'm pulling for this weapon to make a point this off-season. At 6-8 / 240 lbs and in possession of 4.5-40 speed, he's a TE or could be pushed outside. His 40"+ vertical could make him a weapon on ST's when they need a kick blocker or distraction in the middle.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'm pulling for this weapon to make a point this off-season. At 6-8 / 240 lbs and in possession of 4.5-40 speed, he's a TE or could be pushed outside. His 40"+ vertical could make him a weapon on ST's when they need a kick blocker or distraction in the middle.
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If he can catch and high point the ball (which his basketball experience should have taught him), he cannot be ignored in the middle of the field. Being so tall, he would have terrifically long arms as well.
Only trouble is he is a big target to tackle.
If you can hit him in stride and he can reliably catch the ball, then he will indeed be a weapon. Brady would love him and I'm sure the Pats would make something out of him.
 
ObsiWan said:
If you need more than 4 or 5 F/A starters from year to year then you've been screwing up the draft.
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I've been considering this thought. I believe it to be true ,but what's left for a team that hasn't or can't draft well? What's left for a team with a huge need and cap space?

This was a bad free agency year and a ho hum draft for offensive linemen. Solder had to be a target even if we overpaid him.

It didn't work out.

Ultimately, there's just one question. We caught lightning in a bottle with Watson. We had catastrophic injuries last season. Do you believe a healthy texans team is a contender with a good offensive line?

If the answer is yes we should be all in.

There's nothing wrong with replacing 4-5 starters per year if our starters wouldn't start for 31 other teams. Frankly, nick Martin is the only ol I have confidence in right now. The rest is wait and see.
 
powda said:
I've been considering this thought. I believe it to be true ,but what's left for a team that hasn't or can't draft well? What's left for a team with a huge need and cap space?

This was a bad free agency year and a ho hum draft for offensive linemen. Solder had to be a target even if we overpaid him.

It didn't work out.

Ultimately, there's just one question. We caught lightning in a bottle with Watson. We had catastrophic injuries last season. Do you believe a healthy texans team is a contender with a good offensive line?

If the answer is yes we should be all in.

There's nothing wrong with replacing 4-5 starters per year if our starters wouldn't start for 31 other teams. Frankly, nick Martin is the only ol I have confidence in right now. The rest is wait and see.
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I picked 4-5 starters because you figure you could lose about that many - out of 22 starters - due to F/A and retirement losses. And maybe that should be 5-6 depending on how many contracts come to an end in a given year and how many of those starters you want (and can afford) to keep.

But if you need 9 or 10 replacements/upgrades via free agency then your coaches, scouts, and GM have been doing something wrong.

But I totally see your point about our O-line. Out of the five starters there were at least 3 we needed to upgrade.
Some say all five :D
 
ObsiWan said:
I picked 4-5 starters because you figure you could lose about that many - out of 22 starters - due to F/A and retirement losses. And maybe that should be 5-6 depending on how many contracts come to an end in a given year and how many of those starters you want (and can afford) to keep.

But if you need 9 or 10 replacements/upgrades via free agency then your coaches, scouts, and GM have been doing something wrong.

But I totally see your point about our O-line. Out of the five starters there were at least 3 we needed to upgrade.
Some say all five :D
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I think your original assessment was right for an average team. For a bad team perhaps this was also right.

All I know is for the briefest moment I saw something special in Watson. Lets not Carr it up. If we have to replace 7+ offensive linemen then do it.

Watson is still on a rookie contract. If there's a time to spend in free agency, It's now. Maybe Fulton, Henderson, and Clemente were those guys?

Maybe we need to sale the farm in the draft and free agency next year?
 
powda said:
I think your original assessment was right for an average team. For a bad team perhaps this was also right.

All I know is for the briefest moment I saw something special in Watson. Lets not Carr it up. If we have to replace 7+ offensive linemen then do it.

Watson is still on a rookie contract. If there's a time to spend in free agency, It's now. Maybe Fulton, Henderson, and Clemente were those guys?

Maybe we need to sale the farm in the draft and free agency next year?
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I looked up next year's F/As. LINK (click 2019)
Some key contracts coming up; Kareem Jackson, Clowney. McKinney, Blue, Lechler, Lamm, Greg Mancz, Christian Covington are the names that kinda stand out (to me anyway).
Then there are all the one-year deals we did this off-season like Mathieu (honey badger) and Henderson.
Take a look at the link and see how many of those guys are worth re-signing and which will we look to replace in the draft and F/A. I'm curious to see what you guys think.
We may come close to "selling the farm".
:D
 
ObsiWan said:
I looked up next year's F/As. LINK (click 2019)
Some key contracts coming up; Kareem Jackson, Clowney. McKinney, Blue, Lechler, Lamm, Greg Mancz, Christian Covington are the names that kinda stand out (to me anyway).
Then there are all the one-year deals we did this off-season like Mathieu (honey badger) and Henderson.
Take a look at the link and see how many of those guys are worth re-signing and which will we look to replace in the draft and F/A. I'm curious to see what you guys think.
We may come close to "selling the farm".
:D
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Part of why we have cap $ leftover is Clowney/Mckinney contracts.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I'm not understanding what the heck Pro Football Focus looks at when judging these players. No way in heck did Mike Trubisky out play or was a better QB than Watson.

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Anytime we have any kind of debate on this board about a player and a person posts some PFF link/crap as some kind of evidence I laugh and totally disregard it..I don't even click on those links and haven't for years. You want to talk about paralysis by analysis, they are the definition of it.

Bears fans (the honest ones) wouldn't even try to blow that smoke up your ass.
 
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I think O'Brien is just biding his time to get the QB he's been eyeing to complete this group. The NY Jets are going to have to cut someone before camp for no other reason than there just isn't enough reps to go around. Their QB Room currently has the following guys:

1. Josh McCown (2002 RD3 - 81 / Cardinals) **Starter -For Now- 2018 Season**
2. Sam Darnold (2018 RD1 - 03 / Jets)
3. Teddy Bridgewater (2014 RD1 - 32 / Vikings)
4. Christian Hackenberg (2016 RD2 - 51 / Jets)

That cut will be CH and it's simply going to come down to when. They can cut him and not be hit too hard. I just don't see any team making a trade for his services either, which will leave the Jets no other option but to make the cut.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I wouldn't want to see any of the other QBs mentioned on the field for us either. If Watson goes down and we have to field one of these QBs than we're already screwed anyways.
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That’s how it goes for most teams unless you get super lucky like the Eagles. 32 teams... probably only 20-25 QBs that are starter level.
 
Bridgewater would be an upgrade if he is healthy. But if he is healthy he won't be available for a 6th or 7th. If he is not healthy there is no reason to bring him in.

What has Hackenberg ever shown to make anyone think he would be an upgrade over anybody? The Jets wouldn't even let him on the field before Petty, who was pitiful. He has only ever played in preseason games and looked awful, and the Jets have continued to fill up the QB room with brand new guys and push him further and further down the depth chart.
 
bah007 said:
Bridgewater would be an upgrade if he is healthy. But if he is healthy he won't be available for a 6th or 7th. If he is not healthy there is no reason to bring him in.

What has Hackenberg ever shown to make anyone think he would be an upgrade over anybody? The Jets wouldn't even let him on the field before Petty, who was pitiful. He has only ever played in preseason games and looked awful, and the Jets have continued to fill up the QB room with brand new guys and push him further and further down the depth chart.
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Bridgewater statement is spot on. Hackenberg is O'Brien's pick at Penn St and he probably has the best idea at what makes him tick. Jets system just wasn't a match...doesn't mean O'Brien wouldn't want another crack at him if the Jets cut him. Texans can sign him to a 1 year deal with the option to cut ties during camp if he doesn't appear salvageable. I remember more than a few folks on the other site clamoring for the Texans to draft him if he was available.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Bridgewater statement is spot on. Hackenberg is O'Brien's pick at Penn St and he probably has the best idea at what makes him tick. Jets system just wasn't a match...doesn't mean O'Brien wouldn't want another crack at him if the Jets cut him. Texans can sign him to a 1 year deal with the option to cut ties during camp if he doesn't appear salvageable. I remember more than a few folks on the other site clamoring for the Texans to draft him if he was available.
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I didn't say I'd be against bringing him in if he's cut. I'd be against trading anything for him. He's given zero reason for anyone to have any positive expectation for him.

OB was his college coach and passed on him in the draft twice in favor of a rotation of Os, Savage, and Weeden. That may already tell us what he thinks about him.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Bridgewater statement is spot on. Hackenberg is O'Brien's pick at Penn St and he probably has the best idea at what makes him tick. Jets system just wasn't a match...doesn't mean O'Brien wouldn't want another crack at him if the Jets cut him. Texans can sign him to a 1 year deal with the option to cut ties during camp if he doesn't appear salvageable. I remember more than a few folks on the other site clamoring for the Texans to draft him if he was available.
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My memory of the discussion was that BOB would blindly draft Hackenbeg solely because he had coached him in college and had some success with him. This seemed strange at the time because Hackenberg had been shown to not be a top prospect and even the 2nd roundpick of the Jets was really questionable by the time Hackenberg was drafted.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
My memory of the discussion was that BOB would blindly draft Hackenbeg solely because he had coached him in college and had some success with him. This seemed strange at the time because Hackenberg had been shown to not be a top prospect and even the 2nd roundpick of the Jets was really questionable by the time Hackenberg was drafted.
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Never heard of that. Sounds more like wild speculation. Got a link?
 
https://www.battleredblog.com/2018/5/16/17360862/impact-of-the-honey-badger-in-houston

Impact Of The Honey Badger In Houston
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NFL insiders think it’ll be big.
By Mike Bullock May 16, 2018, 12:00pm CDTSHARE
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ESPN’s NFL Insiders crew put together their list of 2018 free agents who should make the biggest impact on their new teams. Topping the list is arguably the Houston Texans‘ best free agent acquisition in a long time, if ever, Tyrann Mathieu.

Which offseason addition will make the biggest impact in 2018?
Matt Bowen, NFL writer: Tyrann Mathieu, S, Houston Texans. His past injuries have to be discussed, but the former Cardinal played faster on tape toward the end of 2017. He’s an upgrade in Houston at a position of need, and defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel can utilize Mathieu’s versatility in the game plan. Think of a defensive matchup weapon here who can find the ball and play multiple roles for a secondary that struggled last year.

There’s really nothing there to disagree with. Mathieu + Romeo Crennel’s Defense = OH, YEAH!

What do you think? Think someone else has the biggest potential impact? Wish Houston had grabbed that player? Afraid of having a defensive backfield that can actually play at the level of Houston’s front seven? Give us your thoughts in the comments section.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Well hackenberg talk is over for now at least ....Raiders baby

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...hackenberg-to-raiders-for-seventh-round-pick/
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This was good for Gruden. Gruden had Hackenberg rated pretty high and mentioned he would be shocked if he didn't go in RD1. So Gruden gets a guy he wants and only coughs up a conditional 2019 RD7 pick. I would consider that a bargain. He's 23 years old and still possesses all his physical attributes that made him a RD2 pick. It will be interesting to see what Gruden does with him not that he's a Raider.
 
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