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State of the O-line

justmy2cents said:
I must have watched 5 or 6 Alabama games last season, with the intent of watching Orlando Brown. Sadly, each game exposed my weakness. If I can't detect talent, I lose interest. As I remember, at that time, Brown was being hyped as the best thing since sliced bread. I couldn't see it. He reminded me a lot of Sua Filo .... big as an ox, but moves like one as well. I could never spot any urgency or tenacity .... and .... he didn't move like an athlete. Think about it .... when you watch any player, athleticism is the first thing you look for. When you're cursed with ADD, the eyes betray you, and go straight to Baker Mayfield. I'm pretty sure the same thing occurred in every game I watched. The combine only confirmed to me that my first instinct was unusual .... in that is was correct !
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If you were tuning into Alabama to watch Orlando Brown perform...that might've been your first problem, since he played for Oklahoma:)
 
Texansballer74 said:
I've watched a lot of OU games. And I'm in disagreement with you Steel on this one as well. This young fella is very good in both pass protection and in the run game. Yes he has to polish a few things up, but so does every player going into the NFL.
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I'm not against picking Brown, I think he will be a rookie starter at RT. Although unless he improves I dont think he's athletic enough to start on the left side. If Gaine picks him I hope I'm wrong and he's the Texans LT for the next decade.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not against picking Brown, I think he will be a rookie starter at RT. Although unless he improves I dont think he's athletic enough to start on the left side. If Gaine picks him I hope I'm wrong and he's the Texans LT for the next decade.
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The move to the nfl will either make or break him.
It will certainly prove his character and drive - if he takes up the bit he will be an nfl regular.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not against picking Brown, I think he will be a rookie starter at RT. Although unless he improves I dont think he's athletic enough to start on the left side. If Gaine picks him I hope I'm wrong and he's the Texans LT for the next decade.
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If our new GM is successful in drafting a rookie starting OT with a third round pick I say bravo !
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If you were tuning into Alabama to watch Orlando Brown perform...that might've been your first problem, since he played for Oklahoma:)
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Aha ! you said "first" ! That implies there were more than one ! I was watching Path to the Draft while writing .... admitted I was a poster child for ADD. Seriously, I'm not deliberately playing Devil's Advocate. I wanted to like Orlando Brown. He's almost a carbon copy of last year's Zach Banner, who was drafted by the Colts last year at the end of the 4th. He is playing guard at 353 lbs. He was faster and stronger than Brown .... but, if Brown has been working hard since his Pro Day, he might do well at someone's team visit !
 
justmy2cents said:
Aha ! you said "first" ! That implies there were more than one ! I was watching Path to the Draft while writing .... admitted I was a poster child for ADD. Seriously, I'm not deliberately playing Devil's Advocate. I wanted to like Orlando Brown. He's almost a carbon copy of last year's Zach Banner, who was drafted by the Colts last year at the end of the 4th. He is playing guard at 353 lbs. He was faster and stronger than Brown .... but, if Brown has been working hard since his Pro Day, he might do well at someone's team visit !
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Brown has the physical gifts coaches would covet in an OT. Brown was successful as a LT at the CFB Division I level. Brown had a horrendous Combine. Brown had a small bounce back on his Pro Day. Brown could really benefit from an NFL S&C Program and diet. Brown has the knowledge and the fundamental mechanics needed to play OT at the NFL...what Brown will need, is a little coaching to improve his overall game since there isn't a successful veteran to lean on. This is where Devlin would come in but that could be the fly in the ointment.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Brown has the physical gifts coaches would covet in an OT. Brown was successful as a LT at the CFB Division I level. Brown had a horrendous Combine. Brown had a small bounce back on his Pro Day. Brown could really benefit from an NFL S&C Program and diet. Brown has the knowledge and the fundamental mechanics needed to play OT at the NFL...what Brown will need, is a little coaching to improve his overall game since there isn't a successful veteran to lean on. This is where Devlin would come in but that could be the fly in the ointment.
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I believe it was Ted Johnson on 610 that mentioned after the combine something interesting. Brown’s father was a late bloomer athletically but once he got in an NFL S&C program he developed into one of the most physical meanest OTs in the league. Could be a like father like son situation. Brown definitely flashes the mean streak you look for in an OL at times. Just needs time in the weight room to get his man strength.
 
justmy2cents said:
Aha ! you said "first" ! That implies there were more than one ! I was watching Path to the Draft while writing .... admitted I was a poster child for ADD. Seriously, I'm not deliberately playing Devil's Advocate. I wanted to like Orlando Brown. He's almost a carbon copy of last year's Zach Banner, who was drafted by the Colts last year at the end of the 4th. He is playing guard at 353 lbs. He was faster and stronger than Brown .... but, if Brown has been working hard since his Pro Day, he might do well at someone's team visit !
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In 1 year, Banner is already on his 3rd team. Hopefully, if the Texans take a flyer on Brown, hard work with good coach from both the S&C coach and the OL coach can lead him up a better path.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Brown has the physical gifts coaches would covet in an OT. Brown was successful as a LT at the CFB Division I level. Brown had a horrendous Combine. Brown had a small bounce back on his Pro Day. Brown could really benefit from an NFL S&C Program and diet. Brown has the knowledge and the fundamental mechanics needed to play OT at the NFL...what Brown will need, is a little coaching to improve his overall game since there isn't a successful veteran to lean on. This is where Devlin would come in but that could be the fly in the ointment.
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I'm concerned about Brown being his own most valuable & top high-volume customer if he uses his rookie signing bonus to acquire a Wendys or Popeyes franchise.
If the guy had no more self-disciline than he did in the preperation/training for his combine and pro-day auditions that's a big red flag for me.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not against picking Brown, I think he will be a rookie starter at RT. Although unless he improves I dont think he's athletic enough to start on the left side. If Gaine picks him I hope I'm wrong and he's the Texans LT for the next decade.
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I am against picking Brown but if we do I'm hoping Davenport is our LT for a decade + and Brown is our RT for decades+. I'm also interested in RG Fulton being our LG and LG Allen being our RG...maybe
 
TheKDog said:
Gaine was here for 3 of the past 4 years though.
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True, but Gaine was in charge of pro personnel.

Cak is trying to suck people back into is it BOB/RS fault the drafts have sucked and y'all are fools to play that game over again and again.
 
steelbtexan said:
True, but Gaine was in charge of pro personnel.

Cak is trying to suck people back into is it BOB/RS fault the drafts have sucked and y'all are fools to play that game over again and again.
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You are on record as being supportive of the new GM choice but wow that didn't last long did it ? So does this mean you are already so disappointed with his first free agency
that you've now written him off or did you just get up this morning wanting to blast Texans' management ?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
My worst fear...Gaine and O'Brien feeling they've done enough in FA for the OL and will address other areas of need or BPA in the draft.
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Not a shot at you but the fans here never have any idea what they want out of the draft. Same thing every single year.

We make a pick based on need the fans say we should've gone BPA.

We pick based on BPA and the fans say we neglected a need.
 
bah007 said:
Not a shot at you but the fans here never have any idea what they want out of the draft. Same thing every single year.

We make a pick based on need the fans say we should've gone BPA.

We pick based on BPA and the fans say we neglected a need.
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I'm always a draft for need kind of person, unless a BPA far outweighs the option at need. I'm also good with trading back a few picks if the target stays within range while the team grabs an extra pick out of the move.
 
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IDEXAN said:
I'm confidant that the GM & HC will make the OLine (primarily O-tackle) & TE their top priorities in this Draft, so lets see what happens next week ?
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Took this from the Gaine's thread. And he said they will go best player available.


zshawn10All Pro
From the presser today:

Texans general manager Brian Gaine: 'Certainly, there's a challenge not having a first-round or second-round pick'

Gaine on not having a first or second round pick: "We are going to get four players in the top 103 of this draft.... We're very positive we'll get contributors there."

Texans general manager Brian Gaine said on case by case basis would entertain trading up, but historically he would rather trade down to acquire more selections

Texans GM Brian Gaine said he thinks what team did in free agency, especially oline and DB, won't have to draft for need.

Texans GM Brian Gaine: "My philosophy is if we can draft, groom and extend our own, that's what I want to do.'

Gaine: "The players we've acquired on the offensive line and secondary gives us flexibility to draft the best player available."

Brian Gaine: 'We put a great deal of time into the priority free agent process. One notable last year was Dylan Cole. Others Ka'imi Fairbairn and Joel Heath. It starts with having a vision for the player'

Brian Gaine on UDFA process: 'I call that the eighth round'

Brian Gaine on QB draft class: 'They all have their strengths. They all have their weaknesses.'

On not having a first-round pick with Deshaun Watson trade last year: 'That's the price you pay'

Brian Gaine on Jadeveon Clowney: 'I'm optimistic that something will get done.'

Brian Gaine on what he likes about Jadeveon Clowney: 'Height, weight speed, pass rush ability disruptive player, plays the run well. We're doing our best to fortify [roster] and we'd like him to be a part of it.'

Gaine: "We feel very confident in our starting quarterback." #DW4

Brian Gaine: 'When the opportunity presents itself to be aggressive, we'll consider that.'
 
Texansballer74 said:
Took this from the Gaine's thread. And he said they will go best player available.
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Gaine: "The players we've acquired on the offensive line and secondary gives us flexibility to draft the best player available."
He did didn't he and his statement was crafted in a very judicious manner. There's nothing in that lanquage he used that precludes Gaines assigning the highest priority of this Draft to the offensive tackle and TE positions.[/QUOTE]
 
IDEXAN said:
Gaine: "The players we've acquired on the offensive line and secondary gives us flexibility to draft the best player available."
He did didn't he and his statement was crafted in a very judicious manner. There's nothing in that lanquage he used that precludes Gaines assigning the highest priority of this Draft to the offensive tackle and TE positions.
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The Left tackle or TE could be the best available player at that specific draft pick.
 
While I agree with the best player available philosophy, I seriously hope they don't think the OL is in good shape after the moves in free agency
 
TheKDog said:
While I agree with the best player available philosophy, I seriously hope they don't think the OL is in good shape after the moves in free agency
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Don't you think they made a substantial improvement in the interior OLine positions with their FA pickups ?i
 
TheKDog said:
The Left tackle or TE could be the best available player at that specific draft pick.
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Yes, but if they are second best available, theyll take the other position that is bpa[/QUOTE]

Most likely scenario is they draft for need and tell us that was BPA on their board.

No team ever drafts a player saying, “We thought ____ was better than the guy we took. We only really took this guy because that position sucks on our roster!”
 
IDEXAN said:
Don't you think they made a substantial improvement in the interior OLine positions with their FA pickups ?i
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I think they improved moderately. Fulton and Kelemente aren't exactly pro bowlers.

But shocking as it may seem, they may have gotten worse at OT. We are down to just Davenport and Henderson (who I expect nothing out of)
 
OptimisticTexan said:
My worst fear...Gaine and O'Brien feeling they've done enough in FA for the OL and will address other areas of need or BPA in the draft.
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My biggest hope, unless one of the top guys fall to us. What OL will be available in the third round that will start? Probably no one. Then why pass up positions that should have starting caliber players such as TE and RB and possibly WR? Picking an OL just because of need and passing on a talented starter is STUPID.
 
TheKDog said:
I think they improved moderately. Fulton and Kelemente aren't exactly pro bowlers.

But shocking as it may seem, they may have gotten worse at OT. We are down to just Davenport and Henderson (who I expect nothing out of)
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Who did we lose at tackle ?
 
JB said:
Because Fulton should be our RG or center and Allen (if he's starting ) should be at LG
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I agree but we don't have much if any evidence on how Allen will lay at LG for Houston. I'm hoping in preseason they will allow Allen some time at LG. I want Oline to be better but want the better of the two at LG to help Davenport at LT.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
My worst fear...Gaine and O'Brien feeling they've done enough in FA for the OL and will address other areas of need or BPA in the draft.
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I think and soon will mock LT in 6th round as I don't see any starters dropping to our third. I use the 3s for other positions. I have final mock ready to post but have lots of info to post with it; but a buddy of mine is in critical care in hospital. I've been down since he was admitted and not to focused here. I realize few agree but I think Davenport and one of the vet FA we signed will be tackles for this season. A year behind the RT that will start will make my guy a starter for 2019 if not this season.
 
badboy said:
I think and soon will mock LT in 6th round as I don't see any starters dropping to our third. I use the 3s for other positions. I have final mock ready to post but have lots of info to post with it; but a buddy of mine is in critical care in hospital. I've been down since he was admitted and not to focused here. I realize few agree but I think Davenport and one of the vet FA we signed will be tackles for this season. A year behind the RT that will start will make my guy a starter for 2019 if not this season.
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I need to see us draft a tackle in the 3rd. I'll be pissed if we don't. Can't count on dav or any other free agent yet. I want another name in the equation before I feel a little better about our crap ol.
 
powda said:
I need to see us draft a tackle in the 3rd. I'll be pissed if we don't. Can't count on dav or any other free agent yet. I want another name in the equation before I feel a little better about our crap ol.
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Ok sure but I do not see any OT dropping to us round three that could start.
 
badboy said:
Ok sure but I do not see any OT dropping to us round three that could start.
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Would dav or the others start if we had more options? Some have a higher opinion of him and I get that...i just feel like we're bringing a knife to a gun fight and want more options.
 
@VeteranScout: OL rankings are in the works. Doing a top 5 OT/IOL list, followed by a top 10 overall. The latter will be mainly IOL. I love this IOL class, day 1 and 2. I see 7-8 “good” or better starters on the interior, just 2 at OT. A few “solid” at each. Weak OT depth, good overall depth.
 
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