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Dez Bryant Cut

He was refusing to take a pay cut in Dallas..he signed that contract when he was a top WR 3 years ago..he isn't going to get close to that anywhere else.

I am aware he was willing to take the pay cut, and that he will not get anything close to his asking price but logic and reason won't seep into his
head, which is going to cost him a chance to play elsewhere this year


He'll play this year.

Don't see where he'll play when he doesn't take the hint he's declined in play


QUOTE="powda, post: 2813791, member: 545"]I would hardly call this a standoff with the Texans. Has there been any report of a TEAM (us) interested in him?[/QUOTE]

the standoff is with all the would be potential landing spots

When he settles for less than 16m a year, I'll revisit the topic. I'll see you then - don't dodge out.

Capatosta - Dez won't back down from his stance, his pride and ego are to damn high IF he lands a landing spot? it will be lucky and no worries I
never duck out
 
He wasn't asking for $16 mil. It was his contract. Market price is different.

I am aware of that my point is Dez fails to care about the market price, He wants his $16 million he feels he deserves it and can still play
once again reality dictates a much more revealing/unflattering picture of him especially when he can't even produce a thousand yards
receiving
 
I am aware he was willing to take the pay cut, and that he will not get anything close to his asking price but logic and reason won't seep into his
head, which is going to cost him a chance to play elsewhere this year




Don't see where he'll play when he doesn't take the hint he's declined in play


QUOTE="powda, post: 2813791, member: 545"]I would hardly call this a standoff with the Texans. Has there been any report of a TEAM (us) interested in him?

the standoff is with all the would be potential landing spots



Capatosta - Dez won't back down from his stance, his pride and ego are to damn high IF he lands a landing spot? it will be lucky and no worries I
never duck out[/QUOTE]

I'll see you soon.
 
I am aware of that my point is Dez fails to care about the market price, He wants his $16 million he feels he deserves it and can still play
once again reality dictates a much more revealing/unflattering picture of him especially when he can't even produce a thousand yards
receiving
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For the Texans org it is.

Ask yourself why this is?
Don't get your question. The Texans, as other teams, regularly roll over unused cap space to the following year. Where it can be and is used. They also average near 100% cap spending. I really don't know what your gripe is. There's a spending floor and a spending ceiling in the NFL. Find me some data that shows them not being close to the ceiling on average, and maybe then wellw have something to ***** about.
 
Dez Bryant changes his mind, says he would've taken pay cut if Cowboys had asked
Bryant, a free agent for the first time, continues to open up about his release from the Cowboys
Remember back in December when Dez Bryant said he wouldn't accept a pay cut to remain with the Cowboys? Yeah, about that: It turns out, Bryant reconsidered his position.

On Friday, Bryant told NFL Network's Jane Slater that he would've taken a pay cut if the Cowboys had asked. The only problem? They never asked before they abruptly cut him on Friday.

"Yeah, if it was offered," Bryant said about taking a pay cut, per NFL.com. "The only question I was going to have for that was: Even if I did take a pay cut, am I going to be able to come in to work and be happy? Will I be able to enjoy it? Because I already got a feeling that this person don't like me, this person don't like me."

That's quite the reversal from his stance in late December.

"I haven't heard no talk about that but if it comes, I don't know, probably not," Bryant said at the time, via ESPN. "Hell naw, man. I believe in me."

Bryant hasn't pieced together a 1,000-yard season since 2014, but he was set to earn $16.5 million in 2018, which ranked as the third-highest cap hit among all receivers. As you can see below, Bryant was the only one of the bunch who failed to produce like a top-tier receiver over the past three seasons.


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Prior to his release, Dez Bryant was going to be responsible for one of the highest salary cap hits of any wide receiver in 2018 ($16.5M), though his production was not on par with other similarly expensive WRs

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Now Bryant, who blamed some of his teammates for his release, is a free agent for the first time in his career. And he's got revenge on his mind. Immediately after he got released, Bryant made it known that he'd like to play for another NFC East team so he can see the Cowboys twice per season. The only issue is that the Eagles, Redskins, and Giants reportedly aren't interested in his services.

So, who is interested in acquiring a 29-year-old past his prime receiver? ESPN's Adam Schefter listed four possible destinations: Arizona, Baltimore, Buffalo, and Green Bay, all of which made our list of potential landing spots for Bryant. But that's all speculation. As of Saturday morning, no actual suitors have emerged.

What's clear is that Bryant is hitting free agency at the worst possible time. Not only is he clearly on the decline, but it's also mid-April, long past the time when teams were shelling out money for free agents.

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Note that Adam Schefter doesn't have Texans on his possible destination list.
 
Don't get your question. The Texans, as other teams, regularly roll over unused cap space to the following year. Where it can be and is used. They also average near 100% cap spending. I really don't know what your gripe is. There's a spending floor and a spending ceiling in the NFL. Find me some data that shows them not being close to the ceiling on average, and maybe then wellw have something to ***** about.

Damn, the Texans have been really successful at managing their cap for the past 15 years, whether its spending to the max available or rolling it over for another season.....lets all count the number of highly successful seasons this organization has wrapped up while making them the envy of the NFL. Whoops, my fingers got away from me on this key board....I thought I was discussing the Patriots!!!

Simply put, the Texans just don't have a clue on how the NFL puzzle goes together. Maybe Gaine and O'Brien might come up with a better strategy.
 
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I'm usually willing to consider a troubled player with talent, but Dez Bryant scares me.
The steady decline in production requires consideration. I'd take him on a vet minimum, incentive laden contract but nothing more than that.
 
Are there any women posters on this MB?

# Not gay slur

BTW, I dont care if posters agree with me or not. There's 15 yrs worth of proof. You can choose to live in denial if you wish. I'm just not going to be wasting my time with this BS.


That was a gay slur. You don't tell grown ass men keep giving each other a freaking BJ. What world do you live in.

You are not the only one that has followed this team closely since day one. What I've noticed about you, when it comes to this team is, if they don't acquire the players you think they should acquire. You pull this nonsense. How about waiting until game 8 to see if their acquisitions will work out or not. You don't have always land the big fish in FA and the draft to be successful.

I guess you're turning against Gaines already. What made you change your stance. You made it seem as if you were ok with what they did in FA. Now you're back to this doom and gloom guy.
 
JJ Watt -- 2nd biggest deal in NFL history for a defensive player (at the time).
Nuk -- highest paid WR (at the time)
Clowney -- highest paid non qb? (we'll see)
37MM guaranteed for --
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I think we know how to spend money -- just not how to spend it to build a team. Hopefully Gaine is changing that and there is a long term plan. The secondary and o-line have been partially addressed. We still have time to make some moves this year and I think that by training camp 2019, we'll have a sense of if Gaine has a strategy that is working. There's not too much to complain about concerning the team under Gaine so far IMO.


I agree to a degree. I think it's more of the coaching. We have to do a better job coaching up players and having them ready to go. It was like night and day with how the team performed with Watson verse with Savage. When Watson went down they should've had a better plan for Savage.
 
I agree to a degree. I think it's more of the coaching. We have to do a better job coaching up players and having them ready to go. It was like night and day with how the team performed with Watson verse with Savage. When Watson went down they should've had a better plan for Savage.

I don't know what great plan for a traditional pocket passer you could have had with no running game, and scarecrows for a "protective" OL.
 
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I don't know what great plan for a traditional pocket passer you could have had with no running game, and scarecrows for an "protective" OL.

That's why the coaches are paid the big bucks. Bill O'Brien was so confident in Savage supposedly knowledge of his system. He was all the way wrong. He had him for 4 years. They should've known he struggles with reading defenses as well as making quick decisions on the fly. If Savage were able to do those things, the offensive line mistakes could've been masked.
 
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Damn, the Texans have been really successful at managing their cap for the past 15 years, whether its spending to the max available or rolling it over for another season.....lets all count the number of highly successful seasons this organization has wrapped up while making them the envy of the NFL. Whoops, my fingers got away from me on this key board....I thought I was discussing the Patriots!!!

Simply put, the Texans just don't have a clue on how the NFL puzzle goes together. Maybe Gaine and O'Brien might come up with a better strategy.

The complaint was that the Texans don't want to spend the money. That's BS. You want to argue about how competent they are, that's a different story, but not what my post was about.
 
I am all in for getting this guy signed. Why are we saving our CAP again? We go all in for 2018. What are we waiting for exactly? We got CAP space now we go for it.
 
That was a gay slur. You don't tell grown ass men keep giving each other a freaking BJ. What world do you live in.

You are not the only one that has followed this team closely since day one. What I've noticed about you, when it comes to this team is, if they don't acquire the players you think they should acquire. You pull this nonsense. How about waiting until game 8 to see if their acquisitions will work out or not. You don't have always land the big fish in FA and the draft to be successful.

I guess you're turning against Gaines already. What made you change your stance. You made it seem as if you were ok with what they did in FA. Now you're back to this doom and gloom guy.

Whatever dude, it's not about particular players, it's about philosophy and that comes from the top. Do I think the team will be better, of course it would be hard not to be better. You talk about not needing to make major move to be successful. Look at the final 4 teams last yr and tell me where this line of thinking comes from. BTW, I'm not down on Gaine or BOB because this comes from the top and I cant see how they've changed their model of acquiring players since Gaine took over for Ricky.

Maybe I'm wrong and the scouting dept and pro personnel depts need new blood. But I think this comes directly from the top. I know they aren't serious about bringing a championship to this city. You can agree to disagree but maybe you will change your mind after a couple of more regimes and another decade and a half.

Look at how the Rockets/Astros go about their business and compare and contrast how the Texans go about their business. Crane and Les gave millions to the city after the flood. In addition to that Crane spent another 20 mil to bring in Verlander. The Texans said they would match the amount of $$$$ that season ticketholders gave from the Dallas game and then charged those same flood stricken season ticketholders a 4% increase to make up for the $$$$ lost on the Dallas game.

You tell me what it appears the McNair's are all about. It sure isn't about acquiring the best players possible and putting the best team possible on the field. Brandon Brooks is so glad to have gotten out of Houston while the getting was good and I'm sure there are many others in the lockerroom that feel the same way today.
 
Whatever dude, it's not about particular players, it's about philosophy and that comes from the top. Do I think the team will be better, of course it would be hard not to be better. You talk about not needing to make major move to be successful. Look at the final 4 teams last yr and tell me where this line of thinking comes from. BTW, I'm not down on Gaine or BOB because this comes from the top and I cant see how they've changed their model of acquiring players since Gaine took over for Ricky.

Maybe I'm wrong and the scouting dept and pro personnel depts need new blood. But I think this comes directly from the top. I know they aren't serious about bringing a championship to this city. You can agree to disagree but maybe you will change your mind after a couple of more regimes and another decade and a half.

Look at how the Rockets/Astros go about their business and compare and contrast how the Texans go about their business. Crane and Les gave millions to the city after the flood. In addition to that Crane spent another 20 mil to bring in Verlander. The Texans said they would match the amount of $$$$ that season ticketholders gave from the Dallas game and then charged those same flood stricken season ticketholders a 4% increase to make up for the $$$$ lost on the Dallas game.

You tell me what it appears the McNair's are all about. It sure isn't about acquiring the best players possible and putting the best team possible on the field. Brandon Brooks is so glad to have gotten out of Houston while the getting was good and I'm sure there are many others in the lockerroom that feel the same way today.


Look at how long it took the Astros to win the world series bro. The Rockets haven't won anything since 95. It took them some years to get back to the playoffs. Let's not act like they've been killing it for years on top of years.

Every team have deep aspirations of winning the championship. They aren't in the business for shits and giggles. When we went 10-6 and 12-4 we were very serious about winning the championship those years. Unfortunately it just didn't pan out for us. But if you seriously thinks that's true, why do you continue to support a team you think is not serious about winning. I just don't get it.
 
Look at how long it took the Astros to win the world series bro. The Rockets haven't won anything since 95. It took them some years to get back to the playoffs. Let's not act like they've been killing it for years on top of years.

Every team have deep aspirations of winning the championship. They aren't in the business for shits and giggles. When we went 10-6 and 12-4 we were very serious about winning the championship those years. Unfortunately it just didn't pan out for us. But if you seriously thinks that's true, why do you continue to support a team you think is not serious about winning. I just don't get it.

Because they represent (Badly) the city I live in.

All it took was for Crane to buy the team, hire Luhnow and give Luhnow the tools he needed to achieve his vision. Then when the team got close Crane invested in what it took to win a championship, (Very unTexan like.) I expect the Rockets to do great things in the future under Fertitta's leadership, maybe as soon as this yr.

Can you see the differences of Fertitta/Crane's ownership vs McNair's ownership?
 
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Because they represent (Badly) the city I live in.

All it took was for Crane to by the team, hire Luhnow and give Luhnow the tools he needed to achieve his vision. Then when the team got close Crane invested in what it took to win a championship, (Very unTexan like.) I expect the Rockets to do great things in the future under Fertitta's leadership, maybe as soon as this yr.

Can you see the differences of Fertitta/Crane's ownership vs McNair's ownership?


Lets not Fertitta in there as of yet. Les sold him this team when they were in great position. He had nothing to do with this current roster.

Again let's count the years here. (Factor) Also look at the amount of success. Neither team hasn't do anything that great. The Astros stunk it up for years. They were getting a shot load of #1 draft picks. They also has the farm system in which they can truly develop their young prospects.

The Rockets GM has put in some great work. Les seem his plan and stuck with him. Hopefully it pays off with a Championship this year.

So of course I see the difference. But you're comparing a what 14-15 year team to two franchise that's been around before I was born. And in all those years they only have 3 titles between them.

I love all of my Houston teams. But all franchises have had their challenges.
 
Lets not Fertitta in there as of yet. Les sold him this team when they were in great position. He had nothing to do with this current roster.

Again let's count the years here. (Factor) Also look at the amount of success. Neither team hasn't do anything that great. The Astros stunk it up for years. They were getting a shot load of #1 draft picks. They also has the farm system in which they can truly develop their young prospects.

The Rockets GM has put in some great work. Les seem his plan and stuck with him. Hopefully it pays off with a Championship this year.

So of course I see the difference. But you're comparing a what 14-15 year team to two franchise that's been around before I was born. And in all those years they only have 3 titles between them.

I love all of my Houston teams. But all franchises have had their challenges.

What makes you honestly think the Texans lead by the McNair's will ever win a championship, considering how they do business?

How many yrs will it take for you to admit the Texans org is what it is? Another 15/20/30/I dont know how old you are but 40 is probably out of the question for me.

The McNair's have always put profit inthe the short game over winning. The reason I'm really rooting hard for the Rockets to win a championship is hopefully an Astros/Rockets championships will force the McNair's to change the way they do things or risk losing the fans of this city. I've already noticed the fans changing their viewing habits.
 
What makes you honestly think the Texans lead by the McNair's will ever win a championship, considering how they do business?

How many yrs will it take for you to admit the Texans org is what it is? Another 15/20/30/I dont know how old you are but 40 is probably out of the question for me.

The McNair's have always put profit inthe the short game over winning. The reason I'm really rooting hard for the Rockets to win a championship is hopefully an Astros/Rockets championships will force the McNair's to change the way they do things or risk losing the fans of this city. I've already noticed the fans changing their viewing habits.

Why are our fans in Houston like that. Every other fan base stick with their team, ride or die. Dude it took the Saints over 40 years to win a SB. Of course a few might have abandon them but the majority stood by them through thick and thin.

As long as God blesses me to be here, I will continue to support and hope for the best for all my teams. Shoots with a good bed of health for this Texans team, they might surprise the heck out a lot of people.
 
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His request won't adjust Dez thinks he's, Still thinks he's an "elite" receiver and that isn't reality so with a market that won't cave
and Dez thinking he's got it, this Texas standoff won't be ending anytime soon


When he doesn't get any offers close to that number he will have no choice but to adjust ..... or retire.
 
Why are our fans in Houston like that. Every other fan base stick with their team, ride or die. Dude it took the Saints over 40 years to win a SB. Of course a few might abandon them but the majority stood by them through thick and then.

As long as God blesses me to be here, I will continue to support and hope for the best for all my teams. Shoots with a good bed of health for this Texans team, they might surprise the heck out a lot of people.

How's your Sunday morning TK

Or if you're not TK, you're a realistic facsimile.

BTW, You didn't answer my question.
 
Because they represent (Badly) the city I live in.

All it took was for Crane to by the team, hire Luhnow and give Luhnow the tools he needed to achieve his vision. Then when the team got close Crane invested in what it took to win a championship, (Very unTexan like.) I expect the Rockets to do great things in the future under Fertitta's leadership, maybe as soon as this yr.

Can you see the differences of Fertitta/Crane's ownership vs McNair's ownership?

As much as I have disagreed with steel at times, he is correct here and I agree with this. As the Astros got close, Crane put his money where is mouth was at and went out and got the pieces we needed to bring home the chip. Les historically has always given his GMs the tools needed to remain contenders, the rockets just haven't had ball bounce their way in awhile. But I can count the amount seasons on one hand where the Rockets were irrelevant. Rockets are due a chip very soon.
 
When he doesn't get any offers close to that number he will have no choice but to adjust ..... or retire.

Agreed, I don't think he wants to back down from what he feels he can still get while being a #1 somewhere else, Right now he's way too
self-absorbed in himself, not to mention that since his departure from Dallas, He's been playing the victim milking it for all its worth

other teams don't want that so time for Dez to grow up and move on or start looking for teams in the CFL that he can go play with this
year?
 
Lol at the CFL. Dez will be in the NFL this season. Won't make the $12.5 he was scheduled to make but 100% in the NFL.
 
How's your Sunday morning TK

Or if you're not TK, you're a realistic facsimile.

BTW, You didn't answer my question.


I did answer your question. I'm going to ride and die with whoever's the owner. We mess around and win it this year what are you going to say. I know I will have a Jethro bowl of Crow gumbo for only you.
 
As much as I have disagreed with steel at times, he is correct here and I agree with this. As the Astros got close, Crane put his money where is mouth was at and went out and got the pieces we needed to bring home the chip. Les historically has always given his GMs the tools needed to remain contenders, the rockets just haven't had ball bounce their way in awhile. But I can count the amount seasons on one hand where the Rockets were irrelevant. Rockets are due a chip very soon.


So McNair never gave any player a fat contract before? Again people it's a two way street. Big time free agents have to want to come here as well. And before the Astros got back on the freaking map, no top FA wanted to come play here.
 
So McNair never gave any player a fat contract before? Again people it's a two way street. Big time free agents have to want to come here as well. And before the Astros got back on the freaking map, no top FA wanted to come play here.

Sure they have, but there were too many times I've felt the Texans have just settled and remain content with their instead of making obvious moves to improve this team.


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I did answer your question. I'm going to ride and die with whoever's the owner. We mess around and win it this year what are you going to say. I know I will have a Jethro bowl of Crow gumbo for only you.

Good luck with that.

I will happily eat crow with a side of etouffee
 
I'm sure the same has been said many times about Pittsburgh & Green Bay as well. The biggest factor in making the philosophy work out is finding QBs.

Trust I agree with you but there times we settled for mediocrity at that position. Hoyer and Fitzpatrick. Matty Schaub


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Now you're back to this doom and gloom guy

He's not back to it, that's who he is.

Maybe I'm wrong

Yep.

I know they aren't serious about bringing a championship to this city.

Uh, no, you don't know jack.

Crane and Les gave millions to the city after the flood.

As did McNair.

Can you see the differences of Fertitta/Crane's ownership vs McNair's ownership?

Fertitta? Really? What exactly has Fertitta done in the 7 months he's owned the team? The Rockets haven't done much since '95. Nine 1st round exits. Sounds pretty Texans-ish to me. And not that I care, I doubt you were singing Crane's praises during the 111 loss season and the 92 that followed that.

The McNair's aren't going anywhere. Go find you another team already.
 
Trust I agree with you but there times we settled for mediocrity at that position. Hoyer and Fitzpatrick. Matty Schaub

It's a crime to include Schaub. He was both above average and the only decent QB they've ever had. Just had a career ending injury or the last 5 seasons would have been very different.

The dozen QBs under OB prior to Watson are insulted to not be included in mediocre.
 
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He's not back to it, that's who he is.



Yep.



Uh, no, you don't know jack.



As did McNair.



Fertitta? Really? What exactly has Fertitta done in the 7 months he's owned the team? The Rockets haven't done much since '95. Nine 1st round exits. Sounds pretty Texans-ish to me. And not that I care, I doubt you were singing Crane's praises during the 111 loss season and the 92 that followed that.

The McNair's aren't going anywhere. Go find you another team already.

I see you are touching yourself in unclean places this morning.

# 15 years and some people haven't learned a thing
 
It's a crime to include Schaub. He was both above average and the only decent QB they've ever had. Just had a career ending injury or the last 5 seasons would have been very different.

The dozen QBs under OB prior to Watson are insulted to not be included in mediocre.

It is a crime, but everyone and their mom knew Schaub needed replacing after that injury. Even our own Doc predicted he was going to fall off of a cliff with that foot injury.




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It is a crime, but everyone and their mom knew Schaub needed replacing after that injury. Even our own Doc predicted he was going to fall off of a cliff with that foot injury.




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Previous to his injury lots of people considered schaub a top 10 ish quarterback. He was hardly mediocre between 09 and 12.
 
This is the bottom line. So the incessant yammering is both useless & annoying, topped off with a sauce of conspiracy theory.

True

But fans who think signing 3 OL who were backups on their teams is going to move the needle, or help bring a championship to this city are fooling themselves. The fact that McNair has been selling crap like this for 15 yrs and people are still buying into this is living proof P.T. Barnum was right.
 
Previous to his injury lots of people considered schaub a top 10 ish quarterback. He was hardly mediocre between 09 and 12.

I don't disagree, and it's amazing how injuries can just change that very quickly. Again the point I was trying to make has been the Texans failing to address obvious needs until Hoyer melt down.


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