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John Elway 'not done swinging and missing' for QB

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INDIANAPOLIS -- "Life is too short to rebuild in the NFL" -- John Elway,Denver Broncosgeneral manager.

John Elway doesn't want to tear down a championship football team. He wants to add one missing piece: quarterback.

TheBroncosare poised to hit free agency targeting the biggest fish in the pond,Kirk Cousins. Elway plans to make a hard charge at quarterbacks hitting the open market before turning his attention to the draft if he strikes out.

"I think we are going to explore all options in free agency and see where that goes," he said. "Obviously we've got the fifth pick in the draft too. So that will all play into it. So, we'll continue to look at all the options out there when it comes to quarterback."
Since landing Peyton Manning in free agency in 2012, Elway has struggled to unearth and develop a quarterback. He used a second-round pick onBrock Osweiler(2012), a seventh-round selection onTrevor Siemian(2015), and traded up to getPaxton Lynchin the first round (2016). None could help buoy a championship defense.

The misses at quarterback won't deter Elway from swinging hard again.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...hn-elway-not-done-swinging-and-missing-for-qb
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But the Texans are all done swinging & missing but big, bad John Elway is still out there thrashing around in the weeds looking for his franchise guy.
He shot a first round and second round pick for a couple guys, one of them is some guy named Osweilor. Both those guys still on his roster.
So I ask you who's smart now ? Wherever you are Ricky, take a bow.
 
infantrycak said:
Someone around here used to say he was the model of a GM who cared about winning.
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He missed on the QB he drafted and hired a bad HC.

He had a great 5 yr run and if he corrects his HC mistake and hits on a QB the Broncos will be back sooner than later.
 
steelbtexan said:
He missed on the QB he drafted and hired a bad HC.

He had a great 5 yr run and if he corrects his HC mistake and hits on a QB the Broncos will be back sooner than later.
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Lol, so thinly disguised works to self-identify.

He had a HC good enough to win a SB with a broke QB. That was masterful game planning.

Remind me how many rings that HC has?
 
infantrycak said:
Lol, so thinly disguised works to self-identify.

He had a HC good enough to win a SB with a broke QB. That was masterful game planning.

Remind me how many rings that HC has?
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1 as a HC, only because 1. Elway provided him with a GOAT defense. 2. Kubiak didn't get his 1st choice at DC (Joseph, who is now proving to be over matched as a HC.) Kubiak should be thanking God everyday that Wade was available to lead that defense. BTW, to be fair Kubiak did a great job managing Peyton's snap count that season. If Peyton had played the entire season I doubt the Broncos would've made the SB, much less won the SB.
 
steelbtexan said:
He missed on the QB he drafted and hired a bad HC.

He had a great 5 yr run and if he corrects his HC mistake and hits on a QB the Broncos will be back sooner than later.
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I'm a huge Elway fan, but that's for his career as a player which I think made him along with Brady one of the two QB GOATs.
As a GM, and he's far more than a GM because he's still the face of the Denver Broncos franchise which he has been uninterrupted including post playing days since he was drafted #1 overall in 1983. There's nobody else like him in he NFL, not even close.
But his record as GM lately has been very underwhelming (to say the least): he didn't miss once, but whiffed twice on a starting QB and actually 3 times if we count the 7th round pick for the third guy still on his roster besides Lynch & Ossie.
Elways former subordinate and former Texans GM lately was doing better than big John - so like I said take a bow Ricky. Hope the wifey is doing better and the latest prognosis
is encouraging.
 
infantrycak said:
According to?

The man has 4 SB rings. It's time to stop crapping on him. He's gone. Give him his due.
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To reports at the time, Cincy wouldn't let Joseph out of his contract so Kubiak settled for his 2nd choice. (Wade)

He's won 1 HC as a HC and the other 3 under Walsh/Shanny. It's like saying Joe Avezzano was the reason for the Cowboys winning 3 SB's. Did Avezzano contribute to the championships? Yes, was he the main reason they won those championships? Not so much

I even gave Kubiak credit for his handling of Manning, but that's not giving him his due? IYO
 
infantrycak said:
According to?

The man has 4 SB rings. It's time to stop crapping on him. He's gone. Give him his due.
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To reports at the time, Cincy wouldn't let Joseph out of his contract so Kubiak settled for his 2nd choice. (Wade)

He's won 1 HC as a HC and the other 3 under Walsh/Shanny. It's like saying Joe Avezzano was the reason for the Cowboys winning 3 SB's. Did Avezzano contribute to the championships? Yes, was he the main reason they won those championships? Not so much

I even gave Kubiak credit for his handling of Manning, but that's not giving him his due? IYO
 
IDEXAN said:
I'm a huge Elway fan, but that's for his career as a player which I think made him along with Brady one of the two QB GOATs.
As a GM, and he's far more than a GM because he's still the face of the Denver Broncos franchise which he has been uninterrupted including post playing days since he was drafted #1 overall in 1983. There's nobody else like him in he NFL, not even close.
But his record as GM lately has been very underwhelming (to say the least): he didn't miss once, but whiffed twice on a starting QB and actually 3 times if we count the 7th round pick for the third guy still on his roster besides Lynch & Ossie.
Elways former subordinate and former Texans GM lately was doing better than big John - so like I said take a bow Ricky. Hope the wifey is doing better and the latest prognosis
is encouraging.
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Apparently you haven't looked at the current state of the Texans roster. There's a reason Ricky's not here and his wife's illness is only part of that eqation.

The Broncos are a HC,QB,RT, NT away from being a SB contender again. Luckily the HC isn't going anywhere so the AFC doesn't have to worry about the Broncos again this yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
Apparently you haven't looked at the current state of the Texans roster. There's a reason Ricky's not here and his wife's illness is only part of that eqation.

The Broncos are a HC,QB,RT, NT away from being a SB contender again. Luckily the HC isn't going anywhere so the AFC doesn't have to worry about the Broncos again this yr.
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I'll take our roster over Denvers today.
 
IDEXAN said:
I'll take our roster over Denvers today.
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Really, who's the Miller/Talib/Ray/Wolfe/Roby/Harris/Bolles/Paradis/Leary/Garcia/Anderson/TE's etc... on the Texans roster?

I'm glad to see your homerism is alive and well
 
steelbtexan said:
Really, who's the Miller/Talib/Ray/Wolfe/Roby/Harris/Bolles/Paradis/Leary/Garcia/Anderson/TE's etc... on the Texans roster?

I'm glad to see your homerism is alive and well
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I’ll take our roster as well. Pretty much had the same record last season... and that’s because of the DW, Watt, Whit injuries. Broncos record? Well their reason was they just sucked.
 
steelbtexan said:
Really, who's the Miller/Talib/Ray/Wolfe/Roby/Harris/Bolles/Paradis/Leary/Garcia/Anderson/TE's etc... on the Texans roster?

I'm glad to see your homerism is alive and well
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Really ! Obviously new GM Gain has got to get our OLine back to being functional and atleast average but unlike Elway who is still floundering around in his efforts to land a QB thanks to Ricky we've now secured our franchise guy - more challenging to find that franchsie QB than fix the Oline. Oh and I'll still take our D vs the Broncos defense.
In summary - Texans closer to 2018 POs than Broncos, end of story !
 
steelbtexan said:
Really, who's the Miller/Talib/Ray/Wolfe/Roby/Harris/Bolles/Paradis/Leary/Garcia/Anderson/TE's etc... on the Texans roster?

I'm glad to see your homerism is alive and well
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Who’s Denver’s QB?

Denver and Houston have proven that you may be a talented team on paper, but without that franchise QB your not getting far. And it takes a long time and a whole lot of luck to find that franchise QB.

Houston hopefully has found theirs if he stays healthy and can continue his performance we saw last year.
 
Elway would be a fool to seriously consider Cousins when? he's got the 5th
pick in his pocket, with Cleveland looking to make a deal with Mayfield or Rosen waiting in the wings

don't be a fool
 
TexansBull said:
Who’s Denver’s QB?

Denver and Houston have proven that you may be a talented team on paper, but without that franchise QB your not getting far. And it takes a long time and a whole lot of luck to find that franchise QB.

Houston hopefully has found theirs if he stays healthy and can continue his performance we saw last year.
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I'm betting Cousins/McCarron. if Rosen falls Elway will be all over that. He might even trade up to 3 if Indy is in the trade market and the NYG dont pick Rosen.
 
infantrycak said:
Someone around here used to say he was the model of a GM who cared about winning.
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I gotta say "Let he who has not struck out on a QB cast the first stone...." It happens to the best of GM's and I don't hold the QB position against Slick Rick all that much. Elway has 5 playoff appearances in his 7 years as GM including a pair of Super Bowl seasons and one ring. I bet he doesn't strike out too many times before he gets back in there.
 
IDEXAN said:
But the Texans are all done swinging & missing but big, bad John Elway is still out there thrashing around in the weeds looking for his franchise guy.
He shot a first round and second round pick for a couple guys, one of them is some guy named Osweilor. Both those guys still on his roster.
So I ask you who's smart now ? Wherever you are Ricky, take a bow.
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This has got to be one of the most delusional statements that I have read in a long time.

John Elway, GM of two Super Bowl teams and one NFL championship, is somehow lesser than Rick "Mr. Mediocre" Smith? :spit: :crazy:

. . .

NO SERIOUSLY!! :spit::lol:
:roflcopter:
 
Double Barrel said:
This has got to be one of the most delusional statements that I have read in a long time.

John Elway, GM of two Super Bowl teams and one NFL championship, is somehow lesser than Rick "Mr. Mediocre" Smith? :spit: :crazy:

. . .

NO SERIOUSLY!! :spit::lol:
:roflcopter:
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Rick "Mr. Mediocre" Smith ? Yes I agree but that's a lot better than Jon Elway who's been an abject failure at finding his Broncos a franchise QB.
Elway does get kudos for signing up free agent Manning and former personal backup Kubick to lead the Broncs to two SBs while winning one of them.
Both of those guys are long gone and that was then and this is now.
Thing is Elway hasn't even sniffed Smiths success in landing somebody remotely comparable to Deshawn Watson to be the face of his franchise at the all-important
QB position. In the last 5 or 6 years big John has drafted 5 QBs including second round pick Osweilor who's back in Denver starting games for Elways team and I don't see a franchise QB in sight in Denver ?
Elway was a great, great QB, one of the best ever and he' still Mr Denver Bronco after all those years ago when he was drafted out of Stanford. Maybe he was a great QB but he's not very sucessful at identifying one.
But I like the roster Smith left Gain here in Houston better than the one Elway has in Denver today. But then that's JM delusional HO.
 
IDEXAN said:
Rick "Mr. Mediocre" Smith ? Yes I agree but that's a lot better than Jon Elway who's been an abject failure at finding his Broncos a franchise QB.
Elway does get kudos for signing up free agent Manning and former personal backup Kubick to lead the Broncs to two SBs while winning one of them.
Both of those guys are long gone and that was then and this is now.
Thing is Elway hasn't even sniffed Smiths success in landing somebody remotely comparable to Deshawn Watson to be the face of his franchise at the all-important
QB position. In the last 5 or 6 years big John has drafted 5 QBs including second round pick Osweilor who's back in Denver starting games for Elways team and I don't see a franchise QB in sight in Denver ?
Elway was a great, great QB, one of the best ever and he' still Mr Denver Bronco after all those years ago when he was drafted out of Stanford. Maybe he was a great QB but he's not very sucessful at identifying one.
But I like the roster Smith left Gain here in Houston better than the one Elway has in Denver today. But then that's JM delusional HO.
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Elway built a SB winning roster, that alone puts him ahead of Ricky.

After 12 yrs Ricky finally found a QB and we dont know that that QB's body can hold up to the rigors of the NFL.

Elway took a shot on a talented but undeveloped QB LATE in the 1st rd. Lynch busted because of injury and inconsistency. Elway is doing the right thing by moving on.

I think Elway will end up with McCarron and either Rosen if he falls or Allen as his QB of the future. Solving the QB issue for yrs to come and it only took Elway 3 yrs to do it instead of 12 yrs.

Looking at Denver's/Houston's roster and thiking that Houston's roster is better is laughable. Start with the starters, there isn't a DB on Houston's roster that could start for Denver. Von Miller/Shane Ray are better pass rushers than anything the Texans have and that's if Mercilus/Watt can get healthy. Reader is a better NT than anything Denver has. Houston also has better LB's.

On offense the Broncos have better WR's. RB's, TE's (Who are the Texans TE's this yr?) While Denver's OL stinks it's still better than the Texans OL was last yr.

So nope, Ricky left a mess for Gaine to cleanup. But to think Houston currently has a better roster than Denver is either homerism at its best or you cant recognized talent.

BTW, Gaine is fully capable of cleaning up this mess provided McNair gives him the freedom to add the players that Gane wants to add.
 
IDEXAN said:
Rick "Mr. Mediocre" Smith ? Yes I agree but that's a lot better than Jon Elway who's been an abject failure at finding his Broncos a franchise QB.
Elway does get kudos for signing up free agent Manning and former personal backup Kubick to lead the Broncs to two SBs while winning one of them.
Both of those guys are long gone and that was then and this is now.
Thing is Elway hasn't even sniffed Smiths success in landing somebody remotely comparable to Deshawn Watson to be the face of his franchise at the all-important
QB position. In the last 5 or 6 years big John has drafted 5 QBs including second round pick Osweilor who's back in Denver starting games for Elways team and I don't see a franchise QB in sight in Denver ?
Elway was a great, great QB, one of the best ever and he' still Mr Denver Bronco after all those years ago when he was drafted out of Stanford. Maybe he was a great QB but he's not very sucessful at identifying one.
But I like the roster Smith left Gain here in Houston better than the one Elway has in Denver today. But then that's JM delusional HO.
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All that matters in the NFL is results. That's why they call it a "results driven business".

And John Elway by anyone's standards (delusional homers excluded) would have absolutely no doubt in which GM career they'd rather have for their franchise.

I'm as high on Watson as anyone, but drafting one guy full of potential is not greater than two AFC Championships and an NFL Championship. It's just not. Quit trying to defense such a myopic take.

Your post is not objective and only appears to serve an anti-Elway agenda with such nonsense.
 
Double Barrel said:
All that matters in the NFL is results. That's why they call it a "results driven business".

And John Elway by anyone's standards (delusional homers excluded) would have absolutely no doubt in which GM career they'd rather have for their franchise.

I'm as high on Watson as anyone, but drafting one guy full of potential is not greater than two AFC Championships and an NFL Championship. It's just not. Quit trying to defense such a myopic take.

Your post is not objective and only appears to serve an anti-Elway agenda with such nonsense.
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"I'm a huge Elway fan, but that's for his career as a player which I think made him along with Brady one of the two QB GOATs."
That's what I said in an earlier post in this thread, so of course I don't have an anti-Elway agenda, actually quite the opposite because I realize and recognize Elway
as one of the greatest in the NFL at his position as a player but far from it in his positon in an NFL front office.
And yes as a HOF NFL QB himself Elway proved to be the QB-whisperer who enticed Peyton Manning to come to Denver and lead the Broncos to SBs twice.
But that's his one and only major acheivement as an NFL GM. The rest of it is riding on his laurels as a former NFL great from his playing days.
Homer, consummate Texans' fan ? Guilty as charged.
 
IDEXAN said:
And yes as a HOF NFL QB himself Elway proved to be the QB-whisperer who enticed Peyton Manning to come to Denver and lead the Broncos to SBs twice.
But that's his one and only major acheivement as an NFL GM. The rest of it is riding on his laurels as a former NFL great from his playing days.
Homer, consummate Texans' fan ? Guilty as charged.
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2 Super Bowls is a much greater achievement than anything Rick Smith accomplished
 
IDEXAN said:
Rick "Mr. Mediocre" Smith ? Yes I agree but that's a lot better than Jon Elway who's been an abject failure at finding his Broncos a franchise QB.
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We've been through the exercise of how hard it is for anyone to find that franchise QB, right? Right. Just making sure.

And better to swing and miss than to not ever even step in the batter's box like Mr. Mediocre did his entire tenure until the very end. And it's still to be seen if that works out.
 
Stick a fork in Paxton Lynch.

The 2016 first-round pick might be only 24 years old, but he has become a bust.

The quarterback had a chance to gain some redemption by performing well under little pressure in a backup role this offseason, but Lynch—who lost starting competitions to a seventh-round pick in 2016 and 2017—wasdemotedMonday to the Denver Broncos' third-team offense.
Stick a fork in Paxton Lynch.

The 2016 first-round pick might be only 24 years old, but he has become a bust.

The quarterback had a chance to gain some redemption by performing well under little pressure in a backup role this offseason, but Lynch—who lost starting competitions to a seventh-round pick in 2016 and 2017—wasdemotedMonday to the Denver Broncos' third-team offense.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2790941-its-officially-time-to-give-up-on-paxton-lynch
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So IMO John Elway along with Tom Brady is the co-GOAT @ QB but big John dooes have his struggles in drafting a QB who can make a successful transition to the NFL let alone
one who would become the franchise signal-caller.
Just another example of how tough it is to draft a winning QB even though one would think Elway would know what to look for in the prospects he studies and evaluates
if anyone does.
 
Stick a fork in Paxton Lynch.

The 2016 first-round pick might be only 24 years old, but he has become a bust.

The quarterback had a chance to gain some redemption by performing well under little pressure in a backup role this offseason, but Lynch—who lost starting competitions to a seventh-round pick in 2016 and 2017—wasdemotedMonday to the Denver Broncos' third-team offense.
Stick a fork in Paxton Lynch.

The 2016 first-round pick might be only 24 years old, but he has become a bust.

The quarterback had a chance to gain some redemption by performing well under little pressure in a backup role this offseason, but Lynch—who lost starting competitions to a seventh-round pick in 2016 and 2017—wasdemotedMonday to the Denver Broncos' third-team offense.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2790941-its-officially-time-to-give-up-on-paxton-lynch
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So IMO John Elway along with Tom Brady is the co-GOAT @ QB but big John dooes have his struggles in drafting a QB who can make a successful transition to the NFL let alone
one who would become the franchise signal-caller.
Just another example of how tough it is to draft a winning QB even though one would think Elway would know what to look for in the prospects he studies and evaluates.
 
John Elway Is Looking for Himselfhttps://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/05/john-elway-denver-broncos-quarterbacks
He’s one of the best ever to play the game—but as general manager of the Broncos, he has yet to identify a young passer with the arm, the brain and the fortitude to take over the franchise the way he did when he arrived in Denver as a rookie in 1983. Are John Elway’s standards too high? Is his vision clouded by his own past mastery? Will he ever find his quarterback?
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I hate him as a player for what he did to the Oilers, but believe it or not I was actually thinking this last night after the game ... Watson feels very similar to Elway. Smart, natural leader, somewhere between reckless and aggressive, incredibly accurate, makes everyone else better - and probably going to spin his wheels (or get crushed doing everything himself) until the rest of the offense (Davis/Kubiak) show up.
 
Texecutioner said:
Dumb article.

He went out and got Manning and flooded Manning with weapons which produced some of the most successful offenses of all time.

That was just a few years ago.
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He got Kubiak who schemed his way to a Lombardi. Don't remember Kubiak running any routes but Owen Daniels was schemed wide open.
 
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