dream_team
Hall of Fame
That was the first time I’ve ever seen steelb say something positive about RS. Just let some things slide. Lol
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dream_team
Hall of Fame
I heard Lombardi make a similar comment on the radio. Makes sense, hopefully it’s true and the next GM has a better idea of what BOB wants.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You looking for a memo?
Free agency is free agency. He was planned to be released. It was public knowledge.
My narrative? Please. There are multiple threads and one with 1400 posts on the possibility.
Just accept the fact that you are wrong on this one.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Last time this came up someone posted you thinking Romo was a good idea.
And failed and didn’t have a back up plan? Really? That’s like saying you failed to come up with winning lottery ticket.
Cmon.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Isn't that situation one that is supposed to be anticipated and avoided by a sharp GM?
Looked pretty creative with DW4 out there.
Thanks
Maybe I gave Ricky too much credit for building the OL, especially since Kubiak found Briesel.
You don't realize it but what you're saying is O'Brien and staff couldn't communicate what they actually needed to the scouts and GM. I say that because the coaches that did communicate what kind of guys they needed to the scouts did okay with who they were brought. I'm specifically talking about Alex Gibbs and his hand picked O-line guys, Wade's defensive guys, RAC's defensive guys, and Kubiak's offense. All brought in by Smith and the scouts. And with good coaching, they did well.
I read an article about what prompted Kubiak to come out of retirement and rejoin the Broncos last summer. When they asked him what he missed most, his most direct response was "scouting and talent evaluation" ! Yeah .... I want to get me one of them !!
That doesn't mean that OB knows a good O lineman when he sees one or a good OL coach, for that matter.
PapaL
Loose Screw
It's only weak when we win it.
If you call signing Breno Guacamole participating ..... They screwed around and waited for all the big money to come off the board hoping for a bargain .... and got left with next to nothing..
As for having a "great draft" ..... I dunno.
1) Watson - Played 4 games of historically great QB. Then the axle broke off ..... We know the talent is there , just have to hope the health is too.
2) Cunningham - Was my favorite defensive player in the entire draft , I think he was underwhelming as a rookie - Jury's out.
3) Foreman - was looking pretty good before that horrible injury. Will he come back ? Highly questionable.
4) Davenport - Looked better as the season wore on - might be a competent starter.
4) Watkins - I cant complain - good pick.
5) Decoud - Looked lost. Has tools , maybe he figures it out.
7) Fuller (center) made the opening day 53 , that's about all you can ask for from the 243rd pick.
In hindsight I wouldn't call it a Great Draft .... solid but not "great" , I think we have to wait a couple more years to make that statement and more than just Watson has to produce to earn that great tag.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Any ideas of what Miller (RB) might bring in a trade? Personally, I'm thinking a RD4 or RD5 could be possible. The 2018 RB Class looks to be pretty deep, so finding a replacement that truly fits what O'Brien wants from his RB's is doable. I'd be fine with Foreman, Blue and drafted (power) RB for the 2018 backfield while Ervin is given an opportunity to become the 3rd down back.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Zilch. 4.0 & 3.7 ypc last 2 seasons. $5.75 mil & $6.25 mil next 2.
Yeah , overall pretty average numbers , teams can get that type of production from draft picks .... on the cheap.
Foreman also has to show he's recovered from that injury ..... which is highly questionable given the nature of the injury and the position.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'd plan on a 3rd or 4th being used on a RB.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My hope, teams would look at his pre-Texans production and chalk up his less than stellar production to being mis-cast into the wrong roll within this offense. I would shop him to see if there is any interest, if not, he's a Texan for a while longer. O'Brien should remove the featured back moniker next season and try to utilize him as a change of pace RB / 3rd down back in his power running game scheme.
Anything is possible, but he is a guy that a team can get their unique version of w/o 5-6 years of NFL carries (especially the last two) with the pick they would send to the Texans and w/o the cost.
In business you're always supposed to have a backup plan.
Atleast that's what most successful businesses do.
There weren't many additions to the defense when RAC was brought in. Maybe Ricky just wasn't very good at his job.
It's pretty well agreed that RS does very good in the 1st round and above average in the late rounds. It's also pretty well agreed that RS lays an egg in the, very important for depth and special teams, middle rounds. The lack of quality depth and poor special teams play has been a hallmark of Smith's career.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
In your fairytale world where players under contract are free agents I was wrong. But in the real world Cowboys were only going to trade Romo unless he retired (which he did) so to end this 3rd grade argument... I am right, you are wrong
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I did fail to come up the winning lotto ticket. But I didn't end up in a division cellar because of it.
Everyone has to have contingency plans. What were the Texans? To take their ball and go home when Romo didn't work out?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
In your fairytale world where players under contract are free agents I was wrong. But in the real world Cowboys were only going to trade Romo unless he retired (which he did) so to end this 3rd grade argument... I am right, you are wrong
Do you even know what was happening with the Tony Romo story? I can tell you don’t.
Jerry Jones said he was going to release Romo and gave this sob story of how much Tony had done for the franchise and he would do the QB right. Rick pulled the trigger on the Osweiler trade and all of a sudden Jones saw he had a market and wanted to trade Romo and his contract. Jones moved the goal posts. Denver and Houston held firm and waited for the release while Jerry tried to pressure one of those to a deal. Romo got tired and went to broadcasting.
Denver’s plan B was Lynch and Siemian. Houston’s was Savage and draft.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
In 2016, the Jets OL was ranked 27th by PFF.............and Giacomini was ranked the very worst of the Olinemen.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I guess most of us live and breathe football. Like I used to be with the chess playing crowd. Most of us were interested in the game to the exclusion of everything else. We had a tournament at a large hotel in NYC and afterward we were standing around in the lobby exchanging stories. Most stories were about our own exploits, how we won this or that tournament, how we once played a draw against a Grandmaster, etc. The bell captain told us to take it outside. We said, "Give us a break! It's raining out there." He replied, "I just can't stand chess nuts boasting in an open foyer."
A happy new year to all.
A happy new year to all.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well that was subtle.
and yet our coaching staff kept sending him out there
texan279
Hall of Fame
Jags could be lethal if they get just a "good" QB...tacks are overrated IMO
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The sad thing is that when others were tried at that position, none of them fared better. Furthermore, if Smith had not brought in the worst tackle in the league, he wouldn't have even been an option.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
“Others were tried”? He’s the only player on the roster to play EVERY offensive snap. He played every snap at RT. Not one time BOB thought, “Let’s try someone else. Anyone. Breno ain’t getting it done.”
He was the only heathy body, but mostly he was Devlin's boy... they both need to be gone yesterday
I thought they tried him at LT once about mid year... it was a disaster
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Could be Obriens way of telling the godfather 'in your face'.
You signed him now explain your reasoning to Mr Mcnuggett.
If I'm going down I'm taking you with me succah.
Could be Obriens way of telling the godfather 'in your face'.
You signed him now explain your reasoning to Mr Mcnuggett.
If I'm going down I'm taking you with me succah.
Who brought Devlin in? That's your culprit in all of this
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
yeah found this interesting while searching for quotes
we all have our hits and misses I guess
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I can't put it all on Devlin... the talent hasn't been good enough, but it certainly has not improved (not one player) since he's been here
dream_team
Hall of Fame
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Wait. Was there actually a time when Breno was decent? I mean, he has started 70 games at RT for the Jets & Seahawks. He was even the starting RT on a SB winning team.
Streak below from 2015.
Streak below from 2015.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And guess who overlapped/coached him? Devlin.
I like the analogy, but I used to have a Yamaha Enduro back in the 80s and it did a pretty good job at both. BTW, what's the difference between a bike and a bicycle or motorcycle?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Do you even know what a free agent is? I can tell you don’t...
A free agent is someone no longer under contract with a team. Romo was under contract until he decided to retire... hence not a free agent.
Which means the Texans were not “participating” in free agency. Which is the entire point of this silly argument.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I stand corrected. If you look back, I hated the Giacomini acquisition and his play at RT. But prior to injury Chris Clark (the only real option for RT) was more importantly needed at LT. Davenport, Lamm, Fuller didn't look good (despite some wanting to see them as wearing the "Emperor's clothes") at the positions they were placed in........they were repeatedly beaten and run over even when used as an "extra" lineman. When tried at LT, they couldn't hold the line, there would have been no reason to believe they would have done better at the power position of RT. Candidates for the RT position (for that matter, the Oline as a whole) were limited in numbers, experience and/or talent.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I agree we didn’t have any good options, but Breno was so bad you’d think they’d at least rotate some guys in to see if they can perform better??? They tried a whole host of different characters at LT, so why not at RT as well.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Changes on offensive line tops list of Texans' offseason needs
HOUSTON -- While the Houston Texans hope that a healthy Deshaun Watson will put them in the playoff race in 2018, there are other holes that need to be filled on a team that went 4-12 in 2017.
The Texans dealt with injuries to many key players last season, including Watson, defensive end J.J. Watt, outside linebacker Whitney Mercilus, running back D’Onta Foreman and tight ends C.J. Fiedorowicz and Ryan Griffin, but the team also failed to replace the production of players who left in free agency a year ago.
Here are three of the biggest needs the Texans have to address this offseason:
Breno Giacomini and left guard Xavier Su’a-Filo -- are free agents. The unit struggled last season, though it did show improvement when blocking for the mobile Watson. The Texans could bring back Clark or Giacomini to compete for a starting tackle job, and right tackle Derek Newton also could return, as he is rehabbing from torn patellar tendons in both legs. By the time the season starts, Newton will have gone nearly a year and a half without playing in a game, but coach Bill O’Brien said the right tackle has been “working his tail off to get back and play.”
Center Nick Martin played well in his first season (he was hurt in 2016), but is rehabbing from an ankle injury for the second year in a row. Even if the Texans play Greg Mancz or David Quessenberry next season to fill in for Su’a-Filo, Houston needs to shore up the unit that protects Watson, its most valuable asset.
Secondary: The unit that was the second-best in 2016 took a nosedive this season, finishing the year ranked 24th in passing defense. The Texans were hopeful that 2015 first-round pick Kevin Johnson could replace the production that cornerback A.J. Bouye had in 2016, his final year in Houston. Instead, Johnson struggled and spent part of the season dealing with a sprained MCL. The Texans likely will bring back veteran cornerback Johnathan Joseph, but they need to figure out whether they think Johnson is capable or if they need to find someone else they can build their cornerback corps around. The Texans also lost safety Quintin Demps a year ago and could not replace his production in 2017.
Backup quarterback: Right now, the only two quarterbacks under contract are Watson and Taylor Heincke, who backed up veteran T.J. Yates in three games last season. The Texans saw just how important a backup quarterback is when they had rely on Tom Savage, Yates and Heincke after Watson tore his ACL in early November. The Texans are unlikely to re-sign Savage, but could choose to sign a veteran quarterback, perhaps bringing Ryan Fitzpatrick back. Houston could use a late pick in the draft to select and develop a young quarterback, but since they don’t currently have a pick until the third round, the team may choose to use those picks at other positions.
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I hope the Texans don't remain clueless and unrealistic about the OLinemen now on the roster, like it may seem as portayed by the article.
HOUSTON -- While the Houston Texans hope that a healthy Deshaun Watson will put them in the playoff race in 2018, there are other holes that need to be filled on a team that went 4-12 in 2017.
The Texans dealt with injuries to many key players last season, including Watson, defensive end J.J. Watt, outside linebacker Whitney Mercilus, running back D’Onta Foreman and tight ends C.J. Fiedorowicz and Ryan Griffin, but the team also failed to replace the production of players who left in free agency a year ago.
Here are three of the biggest needs the Texans have to address this offseason:
Breno Giacomini and left guard Xavier Su’a-Filo -- are free agents. The unit struggled last season, though it did show improvement when blocking for the mobile Watson. The Texans could bring back Clark or Giacomini to compete for a starting tackle job, and right tackle Derek Newton also could return, as he is rehabbing from torn patellar tendons in both legs. By the time the season starts, Newton will have gone nearly a year and a half without playing in a game, but coach Bill O’Brien said the right tackle has been “working his tail off to get back and play.”
Center Nick Martin played well in his first season (he was hurt in 2016), but is rehabbing from an ankle injury for the second year in a row. Even if the Texans play Greg Mancz or David Quessenberry next season to fill in for Su’a-Filo, Houston needs to shore up the unit that protects Watson, its most valuable asset.
Secondary: The unit that was the second-best in 2016 took a nosedive this season, finishing the year ranked 24th in passing defense. The Texans were hopeful that 2015 first-round pick Kevin Johnson could replace the production that cornerback A.J. Bouye had in 2016, his final year in Houston. Instead, Johnson struggled and spent part of the season dealing with a sprained MCL. The Texans likely will bring back veteran cornerback Johnathan Joseph, but they need to figure out whether they think Johnson is capable or if they need to find someone else they can build their cornerback corps around. The Texans also lost safety Quintin Demps a year ago and could not replace his production in 2017.
Backup quarterback: Right now, the only two quarterbacks under contract are Watson and Taylor Heincke, who backed up veteran T.J. Yates in three games last season. The Texans saw just how important a backup quarterback is when they had rely on Tom Savage, Yates and Heincke after Watson tore his ACL in early November. The Texans are unlikely to re-sign Savage, but could choose to sign a veteran quarterback, perhaps bringing Ryan Fitzpatrick back. Houston could use a late pick in the draft to select and develop a young quarterback, but since they don’t currently have a pick until the third round, the team may choose to use those picks at other positions.
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I hope the Texans don't remain clueless and unrealistic about the OLinemen now on the roster, like it may seem as portayed by the article.